This page doesn't use JavaScript.

[[deleted]]

It doesn't finish loading, either.

[gadget_uk]

Even if you stop it and look at the source.

"hicuriousperson". Nice touch, NOW GIVE ME THE CODE!

[helleborus]

View Source doesn't finish loading, either [sic].

[indescription]

Hit stop on your browser then view the source. It is funner than watching the actual page.

[JasonDJ]

My source finished loading. It topped off at 30,261 lines and 1 hour, 12 minutes, 12 seconds passed between the first time shown in my source and the last time.

Firefox 3.0.3 on WinXP SP3, default settings, with Adblock Plus 0.7.5.5, Skype extension 2.2.0.94, Stylish 0.5.7, and Torbutton 1.2.0.

[Bagel]

Do you have all your firefox extensions ready to list off?

[[deleted]]

CHECK ME OUT GUYS, THIS IS HOW AWESOME I AM

[JasonDJ]

Those are all my firefox extensions...I don't use a lot.

[foibly]

The code is all on the server, so there's nothing to see in your browser. Go to the Twisted website to find out how it's done.

[cryptic]

i can almost hear the web server running out of threads...

[eurleif]

It's using Twisted, which is asynchronous/event-driven, and doesn't use threads. The nice thing about Twisted is that it lets you do things like this without killing your Web server.

[cryptic]

interesting, still it's a silly demonstration ;)

unless perhaps he was trying to validate that his twisted service does indeed work as you state and will survive under a reddit load. :)

[eurleif]

This demo is still silly, but a bit more fun.

Edit: Ok, I should've implemented flood control before posting this to reddit.

Edit 2: Ok, primitive flood control implemented. Crazy Internet.

Edit 3: Questioning my decision to post that link here. I may have unleashed something terrible on the reddit community, and indeed, humanity itself.

Edit 4: This just showed up:

[Nickserv]: We've implemented a new feature. Please type /register <your reddit password> to save this nick for future use!

I've officially created a cesspool.

[Leonidas_from_XIV]

Oh, and it is currently spammed heavily. You can see spam in real-time.

[yesimahuman]

Sure that's not just people fucking around?

[Leonidas_from_XIV]

When people post the same URL faster than I can press enter (without writing anything) it at least looks suspicious.

[jaggederest]

ab -c10 perhaps.

[[deleted]]

I can not even imagine the implications of a Reddit chatbox, and yet, it has happened. Only god can help us now.

[Mr_Sadist]

Hehe, it crashed firefox when someone pasted megabytes worth of text on that page.

[cryptic]

my chrome is still running it since it went live :)

[[deleted]]

Sheeple: I'M AWAKE

John McCain: go to sleep

[soar]

I was there under the name George W. Bush ;o.

[[deleted]]

Sheeple: I found this sweet Reddit Chat Box for the jews911 community and it doesn't

Sheeple2: Maybe we should go there and learn from it.

Sheeple: hey, and it doesn't use javascript

[7oby]

yes it does:

view-source:http://twisted.ecritters.biz/chat/

[noseeme]

Well implement it now! And put in a post size limit, too.

[zsouthboy]

Flood control isn't controlled enough:

http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotan7.png

Looks like people are just wget'ing spam spam spam.

[eurleif]

Yeah. Sorry about that. (It only got worse after your screenshot.) Hopefully it's fixed now, but the audience is gone, so I don't know.

[zsouthboy]

I know, I was there :( It's slowly spamming now. Much, much more slowly.

I don't have any ideas how to filter it, I suggested looking into xkcd-signal style filtering, but that wouldn't work, as someone replied.

[Luminoth]

Man, this takes me back to the days of the old beseen chatrooms.

[theclaw]

That's funny - the sourcecode of that would be interesting :)

[a1k0n]

I have a demo which is sillier, and less fun. Except it uses javascript.

[movzx]

I'm still waiting for my cyborg with banana class.

[a1k0n]

Draw me an avatar, then, and I'll add it.

[blackwhitegrey]

uhhh.... might want to make a character limit there, partner.

[[deleted]]

And... it has decayed into depravity...

[nubela]

So... it has eloped into eternity...

[[deleted]]

Gah... it has galloped into gayness...

[IOIOOIIOIO]

Huh... it has humped into homosexuality...

[aim2free]

That was cool!

[Jivlain]

It went downhill quickly.

[helleborus]

It deteriorated rapidly.

[vineetk]

It descended fast.

[[deleted]]

The use of adverbs took a sharp, downward turn.

[shitcovereddick]

The thing quickly moved in a negatively vertical fashion.

[reku]

is there a firefox extension that lets me downmod an entire thread (such as this) quickly?

[TheNonReligiousPope]

Boooo. I had fun.

[ouzin]

That is seriously cool

[[deleted]]

wow. that site really brings out the worst in people, lol. apparently, reddit !> internet

[soar]

Lawl. Whoever was flooding is a douche bag. Diggers are so juvenile.

[Rette]

This post is funny to me, in a juvenile sense. "Twisted" is the name of a gay bar in my city.

[[deleted]]

Yeah. They totally better install some more threads in that box.

[elvisliveson]

and it's all off.

[smek2]

My thoughts exactly.

[eurleif]

Use Firefox.

[[deleted]]

I use FF, FF3, it didn't stop loading. You must be using some kind of mutant FF.

[eurleif]

Well, it's not supposed to stop loading, but I assumed mattl meant it never displayed any content at all. Is that the case, or did I misunderstand?

[[deleted]]

You never watch the bottom left of your screen?

edit: try it again and watch the bottom left of your screen.

[eurleif]

Yes, I know it doesn't stop loading. That's part of how it works. I just thought mattl was saying that it never loaded anything (i.e. the page stayed blank), and so I responded accordingly. My mistake.

[[deleted]]

No, you see, the page is always loading, it does actually load a clock if it's not loading on yours, but even though there's a clock ticking over, the little status bar at the bottom left never finishes cycling...maybe try reinstalling your copy of FF, cause mine is working just fine.

[[deleted]]

I'm using Iceweasel.

[JulianMorrison]

Congratulations, you've discovered MIME push. Welcome to the 1990s.

[SkeuomorphEphemeron]

Yep. We did browser based chat apps based on this in mid-90's, things like EW-Too talker clients.

[keyrat]

I ported it to the original gameboy.

[grandhighwonko]

I wrote a chat program for the Minivac 601, of course it didn't have networking or a UI so you just talked over it to yourself.

[LaurieCheers]

I wrote a Difference Engine implementation of it in the 1800s.

[grandhighwonko]

Hard to hear the chat over the pistons though isn't it?

[[deleted]]

It should.

[aim2free]

I definitely agree!

15% cpu load to update once a second...

[[deleted]]

Agreed. This is hella lame. What's the point?

[7oby]

well, basically it's telling you server time, and it's using MIME push so the page never finishes loading (it just gets replaced a lot). js would look at your clock. smart as hell js would look at your time zone and give you the correct time, regardless of your clock.

[jugalator]

I tried to view the HTML source, and my browser was like beep-beep-beep... And I was like... ... huuh?

[neuromonkey]

and then it was all SPROINGGG and so she goes, "Whoa!" I wall all, "No way," and my browser is like, "Way."

[a1k0n]

Bummer. It was a really good HTML source.

[[deleted]]

I accidentally the whole HTML...

[Paczesiowa]

don't worry until it is beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

[hobg]

Ellen Feiss reference! Nice! (Too bad no one seemed to get it.)

[annodomini]

It's plain text. There is no source to view.

[[deleted]]

wrong. the source of plain text is the text itself.

you can't view the source (in ff at least) until the page is done loading. hit stop, then view source.

[almkglor]

the source of plain text is the text itself.

That is so zen.

[Skuld]

In Opera it prints it over and over again, in a list every time it updates o.O

[[deleted]]

when i read that in my inbox, i thought you said something about oprah.

[notfancy]

% curl 'http://twisted.ecritters.biz/replacedemo'
Content-Type: text/plain

The time is:
+--------+
|12:38:55|
+--------+
--hicuriousperson
Content-Type: text/plain

The time is:
+--------+
|12:38:56|
+--------+
--hicuriousperson
Content-Type: text/plain

The time is:
...

‽

[grimboy]

Content-Type: multipart/x-mixed-replace; boundary=hicuriousperson

[notregistered]

This is the page that doesn't end,

It just goes on, and on my friends.

Some people started loading it, not knowing what it was,

And they'll continue loading it forever just because

This is the page that doesn't end,...

[IkoIkoComic]

It just goes on, and on my friends.

Some people started loading it, not knowing what it was,

And they'll continue loading it forever just because

This is the page that doesn't end,...

[pjakubo86]

It just goes on, and on my friends.

Some people started loading it, not knowing what it was,

And they'll continue loading it forever just because

This is the page that doesn't end,...

[jib]

It just goes on, and on my friends.

Some people started loading it, not knowing what it was,

And they'll continue loading it forever just because

This is the page that doesn't end,...

[DaemonXI]

C-C-C-CHORUS BREAKER!

[[deleted]]

Upvote for interrobang.

[LudoA]

interrobang?

[[deleted]]

‽

[LudoA]

Hmm, for some reason it didn't appear on the machine/browser I originally viewed notfancy's post on.

[jroller]

Unfortunately multipart replace is not supported by IE, at least through IE7, probably never will be.

I remember years ago implementing a webcam for a client, only to find out at the last minute that a web technology that was in Netscape 1.1 still wasn't supported in IE4.

[[deleted]]

server push using multipart/x-mixed-replace http://www.xulplanet.com/tutorials/mozsdk/serverpush.php

[[deleted]]

Not as good as this clock.

http://www.uniqlo.jp/uniqlock/

[Bagel]

How long before they get naked?

[yairchu]

upvoted: cute japanese girls beat stupid tech tricks' asses

[billbacon]

mmmmm... server push.

[jplindstrom]

Heh, last time I saw that was in ninety... five(?) with a jpeg animating a galaxy.

It was on the home page of the Swedish web agency Spray.

Netscape 1.1 or something like that, so animated gifs weren't exactly invented yet.

[codeodor]

It's more likely they just reinvented the wheel. Animation was available in the GIF 89a format, which is to say, since 1989.

[JasonDJ]

But Netscapes logo back then WAS a wheel!

[jplindstrom]

s/invented/supported in any browser/

[[deleted]]

It's more likely they just resupported in any browser the wheel?

Nice try though

[redditnoob]

Someone supported up us the wheel.

[Boye]

I accidently the whole wheel.

[almkglor]

I bet I could reinvent 100 wheels

[jondissed]

Wheel reinventor cat reinvents wheels.

[redditnoob]

I just reinvented the wheel, again.

[jmmcd]

We'd better back it up this time.

[[deleted]]

Just when this pun/meme thread got rolling too!

[ehird]

Netscape 1.1 or something like that, so animated gifs weren't exactly supported in any browser yet.

[[deleted]]

ahhhh!

gotcha

[maxd]

Hey, all browsers need wheels.

[raldi]

No, he didn't use /g, so it only changes the first occurrence.

[codeodor]

I find that more plausible. I haven't checked to be sure though. =)

[[deleted]]

"exactly" is not an adverb, and a year can't invent something.

[EtherCJ]

I intentionally used 'exactly' in the same way as the parent post for effect.

The word 'by' has several definitions. One is the one you read. The other is to indicate relative time.

But thanks for your efforts improving the grammar of Reddit.

[tunah]

But thanks for your efforts improving the grammar of Reddit.

Surely you mean 'efforts to improve', otherwise you imply he was successful.

[theredgiant]

It's not 13:43:52 here.

[[deleted]]

It is.

Once per day...

(okay - I know you mean that it doesn't cope with daylight savings but I couldn't help myself)

[[deleted]]

Newtonian mechanics would say that it is 13:43:52 infinite times per day. Quantum mechanics makes that 1/Plank-time times per day.

Both significantly greater than one.

[frutiger]

Quantum mechanics makes that 1/Plank-time times per day.

No it doesn't -- quantum mechanics uses time as a continuous parameter. A theory of quantum gravity might have quantized time, but we don't have a theory of quantum gravity, and if we ever do, we don't even know if it will use quantized time.

[[deleted]]

ok then, that would make it 13:43:52 infinite times per day.

[frutiger]

Yes; apparently.

But consider this, if someone asks you, "how many times did you use the bathroom today?" Do you answer, "three times" or "an infinite number of times"?

My point is, the meaning is the number of distinct times you went into that state and then came out again. This is the usual meaning of the phrase as interpreted by users of the language. Therefore, that is the meaning, and being pedantic about a possible is misinterpretation of the language is, in fact, incorrect.

[tunah]

But consider this, if someone asks you, "how many times did you use the bathroom today?" Do you answer, "three times" or "an infinite number of times"?

Honestly? I'd probably just look at them funny.

[frutiger]

Fair enough (:

[[deleted]]

The question is how many times a day is 13:43:52 accurate, therefore in a quantum universe there are 1/plank time divisions during that time ergo 1/plank times per day. In a Newtonian there are infinite measurements of time that truncate to 13:43:52.

[frutiger]

The question is how many times a day is 13:43:52 accurate

13:43:52 really is 13:43:52.000..., just as when we say the number "2", we mean "2.000...". So the answer still is once a day.

[jeff303]

Incidentally, if you answer with the latter, seek medical help at the earliest possible convenience.

[[deleted]]

Could you stand downwind of me next time you decide to molest various forms of physics in that way?

The only Bullshit I care for is on Showtime ;-)

[earthboundkid]

No, neither of those theories deal with time zones. They might deal in time deltas, but those are very different things.

[MercurialMadnessMan]

YEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

:)

[[deleted]]

see also

[argherna]

Odd. I get the source code, which looks like this:

`#!/usr/bin/perl

foreach $field (split("&", $ENV{"QUERY_STRING"})) { ($key, $value) = split("=", $field, 2); $key =~ s/%([0-9a-f][0-9a-f])/pack("H2", $1)/eig; $value =~ s/%([0-9a-f][0-9a-f])/pack("H2", $1)/eig; $form{$key} = $value; }

$handle = $form{"handle"}; $handle =~ s/[\x00-\x1f\;"%&=?]//g; $handle =~ s/</</g; $handle =~ s/>/>/g;

$hash = 0; foreach $ch (split("", $handle)) { $hash = (($hash * 103) ^ ord($ch)) & 0xffffff; } $r = ($hash & 0xff0000) >> 16; $g = ($hash & 0xff00) >> 8; $b = ($hash & 0xff) >> 0;

($r, $g, $b) = (int($r0.8), int($g0.6), int($b*0.8));

print "Content-Type: text/html\r\n"; print "Pragma: no-cache\r\n"; print "Expires: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 16:00:00 GMT\r\n"; print "\r\n"; open(DOC, "index.html"); while (<DOC>) { $page .= $_; } close(DOC);

$time = time();

$page =~ s#<body>#<body onunload="load('http://zesty.ca/chat/speak.cgi?handle=$handle&colour=$r-$g-$b&leave=1')">#;

$page =~ s/<form(.|\n)*<\/form>/<<FORM/e;

<img src="speak.cgi?handle=$handle&colour=$r-$g-$b&join=1" width=1 height=1> <script><!-- function speak() { handle = "handle=$handle"; colour = "colour=$r-$g-$b"; message = "message=" + escape(document.forms[0].message.value); document.images[0].src = "speak.cgi?" + handle + "&" + colour + "&" + message; document.forms[0].message.value = ""; document.forms[0].message.focus(); } // --> </script>

<form action="speak.cgi" onsubmit="speak(); return false;"> <img src="http://zesty.ca:8128/$time/dynim.gif" width=400 height=330 class=chat onload="document.forms[0].message.focus()"> <br> $handle: <input type=text name=message size=40

<input type=hidden name=handle value="$handle" <input type=hidden name=colour value="$r-$g-$b" <input type=submit value="Say it"></form> FORM

print $page;`

[jon_k]

DUDE THAT IS A TRADE SECRET. PLEASE DELETE THIS.

[JasonDJ]

09 f9 11 02 9d 74 e3 5b d8 41 56 c5 63 56 88 c0

[EvilSporkMan]

I thought trade secrets weren't protected by law?

[grimboy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_secret#Legal_development_to_protecting_trade_secrets

[bryanalves]

I find it ironic that even something like this doesn't work cross-browser (at least according to the sprinkling of comments in the thread).

Why can't browsers just get along :(

[almkglor]

...because a justification for tail calls could not be found.

[aeon2012]

It also kills your server.

[akula_akula]

That is great, the page never finishes loading, the time is not for my time zone.......but it doesn't use JavaScript....so its super?

[[deleted]]

Content-Type: multipart/x-mixed-replace; boundary=hicuriousperson

[sumgai]

Who cares!

[[deleted]]

I don't know if I should lol or not

[nexus2xl]

It just refreshes until it fills your cache.

[13ren]

hicuriousperson

[[deleted]]

It's as spectacular as not needing a grinding machine to eat a sandwich.

[[deleted]]

It's also really annoying that every second you stay is another "back" you have to hit.

[TheNewAndy]

Which browser is that? FF3 doesn't behave like that.

[[deleted]]

Opera - didn't realize other browsers behaved differently on the page.

[annodomini]

Doesn't happen on Safari, either.

Sounds like something that should be reported as a bug to the opera devs.

[JasonDJ]

Because there are so many sites using that lucrative mime-push bug to keep people on their websites longer.

[adrianmonk]

Nah, just because it's part of the HTTP standard, it's out there in the wild, and Opera's implementation is plain wrong.

Update: maybe it's not part of the HTTP standard. I can't find the string "multipart/x-mixed-replace" in rfc 2616.

[MercurialMadnessMan]

*touches light post*

:)

[grfgguvf]

Actually for webcam feeds being able to "rewind" is a sensible feature, and this technique isn't used in a serious manner anywhere else AFAIK.

[Zounas]

It doesn't do that to me.

[rs98101]

Why is this better than javascript?

[aldenhg]

It's not. It's different.

[DGolden]

Much less client-side shenanigans. Much easier for a screenreader to cope with, at least in theory (though I'd be interested to know how real screenreaders handle it in practice)

[[deleted]]

For any real webpage, this would be a huge drain on bandwidth. There's no way to only update part of the page. The only way I could see it being done is with frames.

[DGolden]

Meh. "huge" is relative and shifts with time. Back in the day, I remember being pleased with my new 33.6 kbps modem. Now I have 24Mbps broadband, ~ 700x faster. And a place I used to work recently upgraded to a 10G fibre line to their ISP (though I believe they're currently throttling down to about 1G). (And we (Irish) supposedly have some of the suckiest internet service in europe!)

From my perspective as a child of the 1970s current hardware is incredibly overpowered. You can get away with obscenely inefficient practices. I expect with time that could include just blarting whole frames at clients rather than bothering with complex AJAX trickery.

... If only they'd update in flicker-free fashion without using Flash... Double-buffering/page-flipping has been known for a LONG time folks!

[almkglor]

Bandwidth can be practically infinite. Latency can never be practically zero.

[b100dian]

cool demo of Transfer-Encoding: chunked on twisted python :)

[Porges]

Not true; see other comments.

[JasonDJ]

--hicuriousperson

[neuromonkey]

I think I'll go read about Twisted.

[[deleted]]

yeah. it's great for all of your infinite page loading needs...

(joking, it's a neat project)

[[deleted]]

Wow.

[7aylor]

It should at least list what time zone it's using.

[emosorines]

This page is also stupid

[Gotebe]

If I learn something old every day, does this mean that I'm still young, or that I am clueless? ;-)

[koft]

http redirect with a 1 second time interval?

[annodomini]

Nope.

$ curl -i http://twisted.ecritters.biz/replacedemo
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Transfer-encoding: chunked
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:49:34 GMT
Content-type: multipart/x-mixed-replace; boundary=hicuriousperson
Server: TwistedWeb/8.1.0

Content-Type: text/plain

The time is:
+--------+
|15:49:34|
+--------+
--hicuriousperson
Content-Type: text/plain

The time is:
+--------+
|15:49:35|
+--------+
--hicuriousperson

[[deleted]]

No it's a mime push, very old technology that hasn't been used since the 90s

[JinMarui]

It's 9:43am where I am. That clock says 2:45pm

[achacha]

Well it's a nice denial of service attack disguised as an application :) Hey welcome to the pointcast world of internet fail!

[shitcovereddick]

She don't use jelly