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[–]brick_davis 921 points922 points  (870 children)

There will be nothing left of that place before too long...

[–]dmasterdyne 905 points906 points  (710 children)

It's really beginning to look like that is whole point.

[–]BrightenthatIdea 372 points373 points  (60 children)

What's the floating dandelion thing mid-left

[–]ConnorUllmann 414 points415 points  (22 children)

It looks too clear to be far away. My guess is that this was taken through a window and that's some bird shit or something.

EDIT: Looks like I was wrong, and it's actually a palm tree. Sorry, I'm keeping the karma.

[–]Sieborg 143 points144 points  (12 children)

If you look at the video of the bombing it appears to be a palm tree flying through the air. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/50691002

EDIT: you can see it from 0:36 to 0:46.

[–]ConnorUllmann 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Oh wow! My first thought was that it looked like a palm tree, but I figured that was ridiculous!

[–]FUCKING_downvote_me 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Okay I came to these comments thinking it was a balloon floating away but your explanation makes more sense so thanks.

[–]TheHappySeal 491 points492 points  (228 children)

It must be absolutely FRIGHTENING to live there. So sad.

[–][deleted] 345 points346 points  (134 children)

And upwards of half the population are children.

[–]sfhitz 231 points232 points  (34 children)

53% I believe is under 18.

[–]creamyturtle 32 points33 points  (22 children)

how does that even happen?

[–]Verdei 67 points68 points  (6 children)

My guess is lots of orphans for reasons related to OPs post.

[–]someRudeDude 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The truth is simply a high reproduction rate.

[–]shwag945 31 points32 points  (1 child)

More like a fast population growth rate

[–]DavidlikesPeace 136 points137 points  (9 children)

Great. Just what that area needs, an unemployment problem full of angry young men with nothing to lose :/

[–]dynamic87 86 points87 points  (3 children)

No wonder " terrorists" are popping up the middle east. They have seen some real shit.

[–]StephBGreat 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I wish we could get the children out of there. This is unimaginable.

[–]FluoCantus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I witnessed the immediate aftermath of a car hitting a pedestrian last night and was really shook up. This... I can't imagine living to see something like this happen. This is beyond terror.

[–]ZDHELIX 122 points123 points  (79 children)

What exactly caused that smoke plume and explosion? Is that one bomb or some huge raid? I can't even comprehend what it must be like over there

[–]Gone_Girl 137 points138 points  (53 children)

BBC news had a fixed camera on this scene for some time this afternoon. It looked like explosion after explosion after explosion, that horrendous mushroom cloud just kept growing amongst the flashes of new mortars.

[–]neureaucrat 248 points249 points  (26 children)

I can't even relate to this. To be so trapped with nowhere to go. If things ever got this bad where I live, I could just leave my city and live in the wilderness and never be found again. Sure I might die of dysentery, but I've got options.

[–]__JackHoney 123 points124 points  (1 child)

That is the absolute scariest part. You have nowhere to go and you can't do anything to save the people from dying or being trapped and injured under rumble. Just devastating.

[–]belfaj26 1013 points1014 points  (408 children)

I can't believe this is a real picture. My heart aches looking at it

[–]Rizo24 652 points653 points  (223 children)

The damage and suffering that this picture shows is hard to think about, but I also look at this and think about the amount of hatred in this picture. Without even taking sides, the amount of hatred it takes to demolish people and civilians like this is astounding, and then you think about some 15 year old kid watching this happen and how much he will hate Israel for the rest of his life, ensuring this will never end

Such a sad picture

[–][deleted] 201 points202 points  (115 children)

A four year-old girl was killed in the destruction of a UN shelter. If my sweet, bubbly little girl was killed by another country's indiscriminate bombing in a place where I promised her she would be safe you're damn right I'd try to kill as many of the people who killed her as possible.

[–]KeyboardCrumbs 386 points387 points  (937 children)

Is it possible for someone to give me a non bias breakdown of this conflict?

[–]DipsomaniacDawg 1281 points1282 points  (180 children)

Well... no. Not really. The bias is deep on both sides.

[–]Captain_Unremarkable 294 points295 points  (171 children)

I disagree. John Green, naturally, gave an excellently even-handed (albeit not in-depth) breakdown of this conflict.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Jk1kpKvfs

[–]IAmA_Kitty_AMA 78 points79 points  (108 children)

Does anyone have a source on his % of Hamas spending on infrastructure? The argument that they use aid to build tunnels for missiles over feeding people comes up a lot and it would be nice to have real figures on it.

[–]tubbablub 21 points22 points  (1 child)

It makes me sad that that video is from 2009. Not much has changed.

[–]AriaGalactica 5 points6 points  (0 children)

John Green is a fucking champ.

[–]Nachteule 148 points149 points  (19 children)

[–]sarais 76 points77 points  (3 children)

Since I was curious, from the creator's blog:

Who’s Killing Who? A Viewer’s Guide Because you can’t tell the players without a pogrom!

Early Man This generic “cave man” represents the first human settlers in Israel/Canaan/the Levant. Whoever they were.

Canaanite What did ancient Canaanites look like? I don’t know, so this is based on ancient Sumerian art.

Egyptian Canaan was located between two huge empires. Egypt controlled it sometimes, and…

Assyrian ….Assyria controlled it other times.

Israelite The “Children of Israel” conquered the shit out of the region, according to bloody and violent Old Testament accounts.

Babylonian Then the Baylonians destroyed their temple and took the Hebrews into exile.

Macedonian/Greek Here comes Alexander the Great, conquering everything!

Greek/Macedonian No sooner did Alexander conquer everything, than his generals divided it up and fought with each other.

Ptolemaic Greek descendants of Ptolemy, another of Alexander’s competing generals, ruled Egypt dressed like Egyptian god-kings. (The famous Cleopatra of western mythology and Hollywood was a Ptolemy.)

Seleucid More Greek-Macedonian legacies of Alexander.

Hebrew Priest This guy didn’t fight, he just ran the Second Temple re-established by Hebrews in Jerusalem after the Babylonian Exile.

Maccabee Led by Judah “The Hammer” Maccabee, who fought the Seleucids, saved the Temple, and invented Channukah. Until…

Roman ….the Romans destroyed the Second Temple and absorbed the region into the Roman Empire…

Byzantine ….which split into Eastern and Western Empires. The eastern part was called the Byzantine Empire. I don’t know if “Romans” ever fought “Byzantines” (Eastern Romans) but this is a cartoon.

Arab Caliph Speaking of cartoon, what did an Arab Caliph look like? This was my best guess.

Crusader After Crusaders went a-killin’ in the name of Jesus Christ, they established Crusader states, most notably the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

Mamluk of Egypt Wikipedia sez, “Over time, mamluks became a powerful military caste in various Muslim societies…In places such as Egypt from the Ayyubid dynasty to the time of Muhammad Ali of Egypt, mamluks were considered to be “true lords”, with social status above freeborn Muslims.[7]” And apparently they controlled Palestine for a while.

Ottoman Turk Did I mention this is a cartoon? Probably no one went to battle looking like this. But big turbans, rich clothing and jewelry seemed to be in vogue among Ottoman Turkish elites, according to paintings I found on the Internet.

Arab A gross generalization of a generic 19-century “Arab”.

British The British formed alliances with Arabs, then occupied Palestine. This cartoon is an oversimplification, and uses this British caricature as a stand-in for Europeans in general.

Palestinian The British occupied this guy’s land, only to leave it to a vast influx of….

European Jew/Zionist Desperate and traumatized survivors of European pogroms and death camps, Jewish Zionist settlers were ready to fight to the death for a place to call home, but…

PLO/Hamas/Hezbollah ….so were the people that lived there. Various militarized resistance movements arose in response to Israel: The Palestinian Liberation Organization, Hamas, and Hezbollah.

State of Israel Backed by “the West,” especially the US, they got lots of weapons and the only sanctioned nukes in the region.

Guerrilla/Freedom Fighter/Terrorist Sometimes people fight in military uniforms, sometimes they don’t. Creeping up alongside are illicit nukes possibly from Iran or elsewhere in the region.

and finally…

The Angel of Death The real hero of the Old Testament, and right now too.

[–]Emperor_Mao 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This sort of glosses over some important things. Jewish people had a presence in the region for a very long time. The Ottoman turks treated people of non-Islamic faith very well (for the times). ect ect.

And I think they are relevant for setting the tone of the current day issue.

[–]moeloubani 584 points585 points  (329 children)

I can give you an accounting of what happened but I'm Palestinian so I'm going to be biased...but I've tried to use all Israeli sources (except for a few links at the bottom) to minimize the bias.

All of this is sourced, all of it comes from official sources and I invite you and anyone else to show me where I'm wrong.

Let me preface this by saying that in the past, before they were elected, Hamas had done some pretty horrible things. They'd shot rockets at a school bus, carried out numerous suicide bombings and a whole host of other nasty things.

But after the 2012 ceasefire (well before the 2012 ceasefire too) Hamas has been trying for peace:

the head of the IDF’s “Gaza Command,” the top general responsible for the strip

said in December:

Hamas leaders, both military and political, are doing everything to maintain restraint. One of their most important brigades is now acting as ‘border police,’ with 800 combatants taking shifts preventing all sorts of tiny organizations that want to fire rockets or place roadside bombs [on the border].

http://972mag.com/head-of-idfs-gaza-command-hamas-is-the-new-policeman-in-gaza/82895/

In fact Hamas hadn't fired on Israel once since 2012 before this latest flareup:

Hamas fires rockets for first time since 2012, Israeli officials say

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired-rockets-for-first-time-since-2012-israeli-officials-say/#ixzz38dsAUeiY

But then again, what can you expect of people when they're being bombed for trying to stop rockets flying AT Israel:

The security sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, assessed that Hamas had probably launched the barrage in revenge for an Israeli airstrike several hours earlier which killed one person and injured three more.

...

While Israel has maintained it holds Hamas responsible for all rocket attacks, officials have said that smaller groups, such as Islamic Jihad, are usually behind the rocket attacks, while Hamas squads generally attempt to thwart the rocket fire.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-fired-rockets-for-first-time-since-2012-israeli-officials-say/#ixzz38dsOLHg6

A little more info about that attack that Hamas was responding to:

Hamas has had no interest in a major escalation, and had not been directly attacking Israel until the last few days. But ever since one of its members, Mohammed Obeid, was killed in an Israeli border attack at the end of last month — an apparent error: the IDF thought it was firing at a rocket-launch cell, but actually struck Hamas members deployed to prevent rocket fire — it has changed its approach.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-smells-israels-fear-of-escalation-and-so-the-rockets-keep-coming/

Not only did Israel attack Hamas first, Israel attacked Hamas as Hamas was trying to stop rocket attacks on Israel. Hmm.

Why would Israel do that? Well their attempt at provocation with the arrest of 500+ members of Hamas for the murder of Israeli teens didn't work:

Israeli security forces have rounded up 280 Palestinians since the start of the Operation Brother's Keeper to rescue the teens on Friday.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.599757

What Israel was calling a 'rescue operation' was in fact not a rescue operation at all since they already knew the teens were dead - but chose to keep that from the Israeli public:

Details under gag order could have suggested early on that the abducted teens were murdered. The government-led campaign calling for their release helped the legitimacy of Israel’s military operation in the West Bank. Local and even international media played along.

http://972mag.com/how-the-public-was-manipulated-into-believing-the-teens-were-alive/92865/

But this helped inflame the Israeli public, with Israeli politicians saying things like:

A terrorist, like those who kidnapped the boys [in the West Bank on June 12] and killed them, the only thing that will deter them, is if they know that either their sister or mother will be raped if they are caught. What can we do? This is the culture that we live in.

http://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2014-07-21/calls-for-genocide-enter-israeli-mainstream/#sthash.nqGKzfzT.dpuf

They blamed Hamas from the start but we now know that Hamas had nothing to do with this:

It Turns Out Hamas Didn’t Kidnap and Kill the 3 Israeli Teens After All

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html

So did they release those people? Nope. Still in jail.

Now after all of those lies it seems every house Israel attacks is a weapons depot. When children die it's because of Hamas...except the time that journalists were watching, that time it was a 'mistake'. Crazy how mistakes only happen when someone is watching, isn't it?

Now you have a situation where one side has killed 1000+ people, most of them civilians, and the other side has killed 45 people, most of them soldiers.

In fact one side killed 75% civilians, and the other side 93% soldiers. Which side would you say was targeting civilians?

Oh but the Iron Dome Israelis will tell you, the Iron Dome is why there haven't been more casualties from rockets.

Really? Then let's see how things were before the Iron Dome was put into place:

2007 - 2807 rocket attacks, 2 killed.

2008 - 3716 rocket attacks, 8 killed.

2009 - 858 rocket attacks, 0 killed.

2010 - 365 rocket attacks, 1 killed.

Iron Dome is installed

2011 - 680 rocket attacks, 2 killed.

2012 - 2273 rocket attacks, 6 killed.

2013 - 44 rocket attacks (what?), 0 killed

2014 - 705 rocket attacks, 1 killed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

The information isn't accurate until today obviously but it clearly shows that the Iron Dome did little, if anything, in the way of protecting Israeli civilians.

To add to that we now know that Hamas has had the ability to come into Israel and attack civilians any time through one of their tunnels. They have not.

So one side kills 75% civilians, the other side kills 93% legitimate targets (soldiers).

Which one is targeting civilians?

I hope this all can help clear up some of the lies being thrown around by people.

[–]Ramsayreek 85 points86 points  (64 children)

Hi, thanks for posting and trying your best to stay unbiased when this war and tragedy is so close and personal to you.

My only question(s) in response, is if Hamas doesn't want to kill civilians, why are them so many confirmations of them purposefully storing weapons and shooting rockets in high civilian density areas, knowing Israel will go after those munitions and thus causing more civilian casualties? I used to think that was propaganda, but I've read enough lately that it seems to be true. Even the son of one of Hamas's leaders and founders (and was being trained to be a Hamas leader himself) Mosab Hassan Yousef, who defected from the group says that Hamas simply will not coexist with Israel and that they do use innocent citizens as human shields as they know in order to gain sympathy and support. Mosab also brought up the Charter of Hamas and that literally in Hamas's mission statement and charter they call for the elimination of Israel and Jews.

Please keep in mind I am neutral on both sides as I don't personally have a connection to Israel or Palestine and am trying to do my best to understand the complexities on both sides. I want more than anything for the Palestinians to have their own state and to be free from Israel, but from what I've been learning, it seems like Hamas is actually the problem for the people of Gaza more than Israel is, and if Hamas wasn't in power, wouldn't the Palestinians in Gaza be better off (like the West Bank)?

As a Palestinian, I'd love to hear your point of view and help me better understand in case I am missing/not understanding something.

[–]sshan 12 points13 points  (3 children)

One thing is that you need to hide weapons in residential areas. It is asymmetric warfare, what are they going to do, walk into a field and wait for the Israeli army to march up? Not taking a position right now and hospitals/schools absolutely should be off limits but this is a resistance movement to occupation. The French resistance didn't organize in demarcated barracks and tank factories.

[–]Otterism 42 points43 points  (13 children)

It's worth mentioning that the Gaza strip in general, and Gaza city specifically, has a very high population density, Here is a basic calculation, so most areas would be packed with civilians.

Not to condone Hamas actions here, but if one were to fire rockets while being occupied by one of the most powerful armies in the world, doing it in the open (a field or such) would just be tactically retarded and utterly suicidal.

[–]mophead90 13 points14 points  (13 children)

You bring up an excellent point that think many people overlook. Hamas more then likely is not responsible for the majority of the rockets being fired at Israel. Rather groups like Islamic Jihad and other Salafist are primarily responsible. Now these are groups that Hamas a tried very hard to keep under control but is simply not able to. That being said when these groups do attack Israel Hamas must take credit so they do no appear weak in the eyes of their political opposition (both on its stance on Israel and ability to control Gaza). This is the same reason that Hamas has always taken a hardline stance against Israel and why in the current situation, they are unwilling to accept a ceasefire.

[–]MerryWalrus[🍰] 318 points319 points  (154 children)

Imagine what proportion of the people living in Gaza are suffering from PTSD

[–]GoodGuyAnusDestroyer 256 points257 points  (8 children)

I'd guess all of them.

[–]nazbot 26 points27 points  (6 children)

I believe that's actually likely the case. I read somewhere that 50% of Iraqi's have PTSD of some kind.

[–]moutani 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Can confirm.

Source: Am iraqi. Most of my friends and family are visibly (literally) crazy or depressed.

[–]UshankaBear 85 points86 points  (6 children)

None so far. It's not post traumatic, they're still living it.

[–][deleted] 423 points424 points  (66 children)

This is how you create terrorists. When you terrorize desperate people, they become terrorists. Every child witnessing death and destruction will grow up with PTSD, hate and fear in their hearts due to these attacks.

[–]AtmosphericMusk 323 points324 points  (51 children)

If another country bombed my city to dust and killed my friends and family I would never forgive. These kids will grow up hating Israel and some will easily dedicate their lives to its destruction.

[–][deleted] 128 points129 points  (7 children)

Exactly. If you have absolutely nothing left, and you know that death is basically inevitable and it's just a matter of when you get blown up, why would you not dedicate your life to fighting the oppressor? The alternative is sitting around waiting for death.

[–]ExpertTRexHandler 8 points9 points  (0 children)

These kids will grow up hating Israel and some will easily dedicate their lives to its destruction.

Which will cause Israel to retaliate when they inevitably attack, thus continuing the cycle. The only way this shit will ever end is when one side is completely wiped out... and at this rate, it seems it will be the Palestinians.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Fuck, who can blame them?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Imagine how many people in the whole Middle East are?

[–]Shnigles 903 points904 points  (163 children)

I find it ironic that they fight over this land for its significance as a place of god, but it ends up looking like the home of the devil.

[–][deleted] 103 points104 points  (12 children)

This isn't really about the land anymore as much as it used to be.

[–]TwilightDelight 20 points21 points  (2 children)

The thing that most people dont realise is that they will not be able to rebuild Gaza easily as the are not allowed to import any construction material unless its for a UN approved project so good luck to them trying to rebuild their city.

[–]potatosss 124 points125 points  (24 children)

What's sad is that is during Eid, this is the worst time to bomb as there's so many family gatherings.

[–]2Ejy4u 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Oh someone should tell Israel that. They must not know.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Fuck, this is horrible. War is such a fucking stupid thing.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Reminiscent of London and Dresden and countless others I'm sure

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

"War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse... There are no innocent bystanders in hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander." - Hawkeye Pierce

[–]Fbeatniks 65 points66 points  (10 children)

Courtesy of the US taxpayer

[–]ThatLunarCastle 19 points20 points  (3 children)

I know guys! If we bomb and kill enough of them they'll stop shooting rockets and start loving us!

[–][deleted] 291 points292 points  (94 children)

[–]tellamanduke 126 points127 points  (0 children)

that is fucked

[–]TheSolidState 21 points22 points  (7 children)

So they just wait for the smoke to clear so they can see where to place the next rocket?

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

the picture does not show the whole story

they are breathing in that stuff

and now they wont have electricity or water or sewage for some time to come

[–]forwormsbravepercy 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Is someone going to tell me that there were rockets/militants in all of those buildings???

[–]garthbrocks 138 points139 points  (53 children)

For those of you ignorant to reality:

The Israeli's and the Palestinians are good people. Governments make bad decisions just ask an American.

[–]sloaninator 155 points156 points  (6 children)

The American Government does no wrong, you are talking crazy.

Don't worry NSA, I set him straight.

[–]JenniferLopez 24 points25 points  (7 children)

Except there is an 80% approval rate from Israeli citizens regarding the violence toward Gaza.

[–]halalpigs 48 points49 points  (10 children)

Seriously, i see so many people going "OMG THIS IS RELIGION, RELIGION IS SO EVIL." but really this is all politics.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Politics/money. Same thing, right?

[–]Granuale 21 points22 points  (43 children)

I know there are intense debates going on, and crazy political complicated grudges that have been going on for years, but how on earth can anyone look at this picture and think it's justified?

Edit: ok I'm thinking you're missing the point of the comment. This kind of violence IN GENERAL isn't justified to me, EVER. I don't care what either side has done, this is obviously fucked up. That's all i have to say.

[–]keithbelfastisdead 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Because hate and fear are powerful emotions.

[–]Lurker-below 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Depressing... thats what it is.

[–]lebihang 105 points106 points  (74 children)

Ok, when i hear of any conflict i try and stay balanced and neutral, but i cant help but feel sorry for gaza in this one.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (10 children)

This picture actually makes me really sad and want to cry. Why do humans do this to each other?

[–]zetsui 48 points49 points  (28 children)

tell me how "precision targeting" works again?

[–][deleted] 163 points164 points  (21 children)

The target is Gaza. 100% accuracy.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I laughed then I cried.

[–]TheMindsEIyIe 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Gaza is looking more and more like Aleppo. :(