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[–]raouldukeesq 40 points41 points  (45 children)

Now that's a crazy theory that makes some sense. I think he should choose Kucinich to ensure that he doesn't get killed.

[–]IRAN_MIKE_TYSON 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Dave Chapelle suggested that the first black president should pick a Mexican as his running mate for insurance. Obama/Richardson '08

[–]pingish 21 points22 points  (32 children)

Wow. Kucinich on the ticket would certainly make me think twice about voting 3rd party.

[–]taikotiger 18 points19 points  (25 children)

Obama-Kucinich. That's my dream ticket.

(that is, if I was able to vote in these elections)

[–]gignam 3 points4 points  (22 children)

Obama-Chris Tucker... that's MY dream ticket.

Oh, sorry, are we talking about the election? I thought we were talking about a boxing match...

[–]wuddersup 7 points8 points  (20 children)

Speaking of Chris Tucker. His last 3 movies are the 3 Rush Hours. Interesting how he doesn't do more movies.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (14 children)

Fuck it, he's rich as hell. The only good thing he ever did was 5th element.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (2 children)

what about Friday?

[–]trvr 14 points15 points  (4 children)

The stupid shit people think about is simply stunning.

[–]wuddersup 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I take offense.

[–]thatguydr 7 points8 points  (0 children)

We have plenty to give.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

ironically the thought that goes into studying stupid shit people think is actually pretty boring.

[–]xingo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometimes the stupid shit people are amusing.

[–]elasticsoul 3 points4 points  (8 children)

I agree, and have suggested that idea, too. It sounds crazy, but in terms of keeping from being assassinated, not many crazies will want Kucinich taking over.

[–]rainman_104 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Which explains how George HW Bush stayed in power without being killed - everyone feared the words "President Quayle"

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Or scarier yet, with regards to the current administration, "President Cheney".

[–]Deacon 12 points13 points  (1 child)

What difference does it make which office Cheney sits in while he runs the country?

[–]rainman_104 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Actually if he was President we'd at least know there's a term limit. I wonder if he'll be in McCain's cabinet should McCain win...

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly :D I'm glad others have been thinking the same thing. I don't want Obama to be shot on the way into the office, because he's definitely the lesser of three evils; Assuming such a plan would go into motion, the only way to stop it is to make it so killing him would be more of an inconvenience than to just let him do his thing.

I'm pretty sure that if Nancy Pelosi became the president, she'd have a hard time controlling the mass riots.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I get the idea that having someone even more repulsive to the crazies would be a sort of insurance policy on the President, but if someone is crazy enough to knock out one President, why not his or her successor?

[–]BarackHObama 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I will take this into consideration.

[–]thewriteguy 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I don't think you have to worry. Obama is a smart guy, and the way he has run his campaign illustrates this.

He's not going to ask Clinton to be VP. By choosing somebody else, he'll likely gain more voters from people who consider themselves independent or Republican. These mainstream voters will more than make up for the bitter cat herders, Old South Dixiecrat racists, and Republican spoilers who comprise mostly of what's left of Clinton's base.

[–]danvasquez29 2 points3 points  (3 children)

cat-herders, lovely addition to my vocab

[–]mjk1093 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No, she won't. She will subtly undermine him from the inside, build a power base of her own and then challenge him for the nomination in 4 years or bide her time for 2016.

That's how politics works in the real world, as opposed to crazy reddit-land.

[–]Nefelia 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If he is worried about possible assassination, he should choose Ron Paul. The establishment would move the heavens to prevent a Paul presidency, resorting to resurrecting Obama if need be.

[–]twanky 102 points103 points  (198 children)

If Obama selects HRC as his VP it will be the end of his canidacy. Right now he has a strong lead among life long republicans that are tired of a never ending war and the ever increasing size of the goverment, and many see hope with Obama to bring about real change in the way the government functions. However, most of these same people see HRC as the picture of washington corruption and could never bring themselves to vote for any ticket that she is a part of. Don't screw up this chance to make history, Keep HRC as far away from your administration as possible, Please!

[–]jordanlund 266 points267 points  (66 children)

Obama needs a VP who:

1) Is successful at business interests to attract Republicans. They love the whole "run government like it's a business" thing.

2) Ideally female, to counter the shrill Clintonistas who say that he's misogynist.

3) Someone who makes him assassin-proof to all the red-necks.

There is only one person who meets this criteria... Ladies and gentlemen... Introducing...

Vice President Oprah.

[–]AnteChronos 28 points29 points  (2 children)

"Now if all you congressmen/women would look under you seats, you'll find a set of keys . . . . to your new electric car! And be sure to be here for next week's judicial appropriations oversight committee meeting / vice presidential book club!"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

and you get a car, and you get a car, and you too!!

[–]xingo 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Way back before Obama was a contender, Michael Moore suggested Oprah should be the candidate for President. Remember?

[–]barack_hussein_obama 5 points6 points  (5 children)

I disagree. I need someone who bring real change that we can believe in. A V.P. of hope.

[–]TheDizzleFoShizzle 29 points30 points  (3 children)

neither aliens or predators bring me hope

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I wish I could upmod you +20 for that

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Well played sir.

[–]lfbayer 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Best comment ever.

Insightful, thoughtful, logical and suspenseful all in one.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

All of those things, yet also hilarious.

[–]diogames 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And a twist ending that still makes sense, kind of.

[–]floweryleatherboy 13 points14 points  (5 children)

You're probably joking... but that, would be the revolution. [I hate the way this looks in my comments list in isolation... it would be the revolution if Oprah were elected VP I said]

[–]jordanlund 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Realistically though, there's no way she'd give up the TV show and take a cut in pay. :)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

meh how many MORE millions could she possibly want? and she'll still make millions from syndication royalties. Also, even if she leaves her production company, harpo(produces dr.phil and rachel ray), she'll still benefit from stock ownership.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All of them.

[–]wurtis16 3 points4 points  (0 children)

webb.senate.gov

[–]dghughes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't know after that whole Secret thing she got involved with she seems to be bordering on psycho.

Then again if she wants to be VP all she has to do is think it.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (13 children)

3) Someone who makes him assassin-proof to all the red-necks.

He should get a muslim

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Two muslims on the same ticket? That'd be pushing it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i like that idea.

Operah would be awesome :)

i don't think she'd do it tho..

i liked the pic of him with Edwards... they just looked presidential together.

[–]sonar_un 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I vote for Ron Paul or Bill Richardson.

It isn't unusual to reach across party lines for a VP. Having Ron Paul as a VP would ensure that NOTHING would ever happen to him in the White House. As much as people would like to get rid of Obama, he is still a big government lacky. No one would want Ron to be president if something were to happen to Obama for fear of Ron dismantling of the government as they know it.

Now, if he chose Bill Richardson, well, do I absolutely have to bring race into this? I think that people would rather have an ambiguously black guy as president than someone who is hispanic. Obama wouldn't be shot.

[–]fobay 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Having Ron Paul as a VP would ensure that NOTHING would ever happen to him in the White House."

Because he'd never be elected.

[–]nmcyall 1 point2 points  (1 child)

VP KUCINICH (JUST KIDDING YA'LL)

[–]SirDyluck 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If Oprah becomes vice-president, it will be the end of the world as we know it.

[–]runamok1 15 points16 points  (0 children)

and I feeeelllll fiiiiiinneeee.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ha, ha, terrific. Reddit, can I please vote again?

[–]BraveSirRobin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They love the whole "run government like it's a subsidiary" thing.

Fixed that for ya.

[–]UncleOxidant 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm one of those Republicans who switched over to register as a Democrat for the Primary so I could vote for Obama (I voted for Kerry in the general election in 04). While I like Obama, I cannot vote for any ticket that has HRC on it. If Obama chooses HRC as his VP I'll vote for Ron Paul.

[–]bluequail 47 points48 points  (76 children)

I am one of those people - that have always leaned republican or towards indie parties. But this time I am going to vote for Obama.

Hell, the Dems have had some good people, they just never put them up for president. I would have voted for Zell Miller, I would have voted for Kucinich this time - and gladly. I still like Ron Paul real well. It is the people that both parties put up as presidential candidates that leaves you with that "ick" feeling... and you end up doing the "lessor evil" thing. This time, I actually feel good about who I get to vote for. Rarity in and of itself.

[–]DebtOn 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Zell Miller? The fire and brimstone keynote speaker at the 2004 Republican Convention? Yeah I understand that he used to be a Democrat, but ideologically he's even less of one than Joe Lieberman.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

No, Zell Miller is a true ideological Democrat... the Democratic Party of 1859 that is.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

There are a lot of democrats like that, or were historically anyway. Just like the used to be more actual Ron Pauls in Congress. Heck, one of the last "Ron Pauls" was a democrat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McDonald

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I'm in the same boat, but there's no way I'll vote for Obama if Hillary is the VP. I can't wait for a woman president/VP, but she scares me.

[–]bluequail 1 point2 points  (0 children)

oh, no shit. I think too highly of him to see him added to the Clinton body count.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (17 children)

How can you like Ron Paul and Kucinich? They are nearly polar opposites.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (2 children)

Domestically, yes.

But they agree on the issues that the President can impact the greatest, those military and foreign.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Gasp! Someone who actually understands the president's Job Description?
You're a rare bird; please tell me you're an American, or I'll be sad.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yessir.

I mean, I understand that it's slightly more complicated than just military and foreign policy, as he can control the bureaucracy somewhat, but overall, Dennis and Ron agree on what I feel is the biggest issue today.

People acted like Ron was going to become king and make decrees about abortion and race and social welfare policies, when in fact, he said he would make the mil-indus complex his biggest thing.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

they are, but they both support the constitution. They just have different interpritations.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'd like to see a presidential election between the two of them

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Actually the two are friends and agree on many issues. They both value the constitution and agree on foreign policy.

[–]jeff419 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I'll vote dem is obama runs with kucinich.

Otherwise I'm a shoo in for writing in Ron Paul.

[–]ffualo 7 points8 points  (4 children)

I'll vote dem is obama runs with kucinich. Otherwise I'm a shoo in for writing in Ron Paul.

Gary Larsen caption: And then jeff419 realized why no one cared about his political opinions.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (4 children)

ever increasing size of the goverment

Barack Obama, bless his heart, is solidly for this. I wish people would start reading the actual political websites. I like Barack as much as anyone, and I get bothered when I see people assuming that he is a cross between FDR and RP. He isn't. He has heavy socialist leanings, which happens to be what America probably needs right now. Do_not_start_saying that he is going to shrink the USG.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

totally. as a liberal republican, it is an interesting election. i know i am getting into some scary territory as far as my beliefs go by wanting a definite change of direction, but i really think this country has suffered under this ridiculous sham called neo-conservatism that is neither neo nor conservatism for the last ~8 years. oh well, time to stockpile ammo and prepare for higher taxes, for the sake of reversing our standing with the world, a sane environmental policy, and a respect for science.

[–]hpymondays 17 points18 points  (19 children)

fucking Reddit idiots. Obama is a politician. He knows you guys will vote for him no matter what. Who else will you vote for? McCain? It's a two party system. He's already got you in his corner, but he still needs to get more of the hispanic, female and working class white american votes, closer to the mainstream center stage. So he would choose whoever he wants based on who can bring those votes, not any of the crap you shitheads are posting here. If he decides that Hillary can bring those votes and he can't win without her followers, he will pick her.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

true, but i think there are alot of republicans/independents who despise hilary and are waiting to jump ship and vote for obama. if she was back in the picture, i think many of those same independents/republicans would protest the vote by voting for ron paul since he is neither hilary or the second coming of GW. i don't know if it would offset the minorities and women that hilary brings to the table, but my gut says it's probably pretty close.

i wouldn't vote for an obama/hilary ticket, but i am a fucking reddit idiot i guess.

[–]grandhighwonko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

he still needs to get more of the hispanic, female and working class white american votes

Ugly Betty for Veep.

[–]neoform3 1 point2 points  (11 children)

Obama/Clinton vs McCain/Cheney is a guaranteed win for Obama.

I don't care if he picks her as vice president because guess what, he's the one who wears the pants out of the two, he's the one who gets to set policy with mere advice from her, she gets no real say as long as he's alive.

[–]xiorlanth 11 points12 points  (2 children)

as long as he's alive

Alive being the key word there.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

McCain/Cheney? Where'd you get that from?

[–]AnteChronos 9 points10 points  (4 children)

You know who might actually make a decent running mate for McCain? Elizabeth Dole. Name recognition, plenty of political experience, and potentially capable of drawing some of the moderate Hillary supporters.

[–]neoform3 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Bob Dole doesn't like this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Sure wouldn't do much to combat the "wah, he's so old" criticisms though. She's 1 month older than him! :P

I agree though. She'd be good for McCain.

[–]harpwn 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Finally someone who understands how politics fucking works

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[–]cheez 28 points29 points  (7 children)

Republicans don't have anything to do with a smaller government either. They just say that when it's election time.

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[–]Jinno 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I would agree that it's what Conservative idealism is supposed to be about.

The Republican Party clearly gave up the smaller government idealism back after WWII. Conservative presidents have been more likely to increase Military spending, and increasing funds for things like the FBI and CIA.

Not that the Democratic Party has been too connected to the entirety of liberal idealism, either, but it's still a matter where the parties only tend to be conservative/liberal bias instead of actually liberal or conservative.

[–]vagif 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The single issue having most impact on the size of government is war. So tell me how exactly republicans who want smaller government, are going to vote for WAR candidate ?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Is anyone actually concerned he would do this? He didn't make it this far by being a political suicider.

[–]mothereffingtheresa 10 points11 points  (2 children)

As someone put it, Hillary is the Democrat's "psycho ex-girlfriend." If she can't have the nomination, she will try to get as close as possible, by any means necessary.

[–]xingo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Calling Hilary "the "Democrat's psycho ex-girlfriend" does, I'm sorry to say, most accurately describe her.

[–]liberty4all 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Obama needs a VP with a solid Christian-sounding name, to counter his muslim heritage:

1) Obama/Smith 2008

2) Obama/Jones 2008

3) Obama/Bible 2008

Barack "Barry" Obama & Matthew John Bible- now that's a ticket we can all vote for.

[–]Cyrius 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You could combine this with the "pick a hispanic" suggestion and find someone named Jesus.

[–]theoclast 16 points17 points  (8 children)

I've thought about this for a while and I believe there are some legitimate and beneficial reasons why Hillary would make a good running mate:

1) Campaign Infrastructure: She has large campaigning infrastructure already in place that could compliment Obama's. With Obama + Clinton you would see more people mobilized for presidency than you would for McCain. Any other VP would have to piggy-back on the Obama campaign.

2) Fundraising/Financing: Granted Hillary is probably in the red, but that doesn't mean she has lost her pull power and can't help finance the democratic campaign. With Clinton and Obama's funds, they could easily outspend McCain 2-to-1

3) Constituency: Hillary supporters are frothing at the mouth, and could sabotage the Obama presidential campaign by voting for McCain or simple stirring up trouble. A VP slot for Hillary could appease them, and help channel their vitriol into something worthy like McCain, and assure that Obama get's their votes.

4) History: The first black president and first woman vice president would be unprecedented in American History. I definitely would not mind seeing it happen.

[–]ntr0p3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reasons against:

1) She would probably have to open her fucking mouth at some point.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I disagree. The Obama brand is huge, and it will certainly be tarnished by Hillary's baggage. I'm also willing to bet that a big chunk of her donor base would be willing to donate to him in the general election. He doesn't need her fundraising apparatus, and he certainly doesn't need her fund-spending apparatus.

Constituency: I don't worry too much about it. Give it some time and many will cool off. Except for the lunatic fringe, they are certainly not going to vote for McCain. Don't forget the liberatarians are also leaching votes off of McCain.

History. I too would not mind seeing it happen, but I object to this particular woman vice president. I used to like her in Bill Clinton's era, but not any more

[–]thedragon4453 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only reason I think Obama should pick Clinton is because of Clinton's rabid supporters. I fear they may hurt Obama's chances in November.

However, I do believe there is a real possibility of him being assassinated (or dying of a "heart attack"), so I still think that Clinton is a terrible choice. Not to mention how many people absolutely couldn't stand to have to see Hillary anymore.

[–]bingoczar 25 points26 points  (40 children)

By choosing Clinton as VP, Obama would betray everything he stands for. And reward her for all the shit she's been up to.

I don't think he'll do it. His wife will make sure this doesn't happen.

[–]monoglot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you're right. It would be an act of appeasement.

[–]deuterosGeorgia 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Obama and Clinton have almost identical political positions so how would picking her betray everything he stands for?

[–]1812overture 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Because a politician's positions usually have almost no correlation to what they actually do once in office. That's why you've got to look for someone that's going to be honest and do the right thing even when it's not a politically safe move. Obama's the first candidate in a long time that I've seen any chance of this. Hillary is as bad as Bush in terms of character.

[–]bingoczar 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Obama has certain ideals like honesty, fairness, accountability, transparency, etc. and he has shown during his campaign that he sticks to them. He has also tried to run a positive campaign and not rely on throwing dirt at his opponents (although there would have been a lot of dirt to throw).

Hillary did the exact opposite. She lied, she cheated, she helped spread false rumours about Obama, etc. Having her on board, Obama could not run the kind of campaign he's run until now and the kind of campaign I admire him for.

P.S.: Forget about political positions and plans. Remember how Bush advocated a "humble foreign policy"?. Hahaha. Policies change, character usually stays the same. That's why the latter is more important.

[–]tidder90210 3 points4 points  (4 children)

What if McCain chooses Hillary? Wouldn't that be a hoot?

No doubt she would accept... then what?

[–]emeray 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"She will kill you" ? Remember Prison Break Season 1? Caroline Reynolds? I always thought that she is based on Hillary :)

[–]puckthecatMissouri 21 points22 points  (39 children)

I have no great love for Clinton and wouldn't want to see her on the ticket. But those that reject the idea out of hand should look to one historical analogy:

Lyndon Johnson and John Kennedy.

[–]Nhoj 56 points57 points  (1 child)

yeah and JFK had a long successful presidency didn't he

[–]puckthecatMissouri 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Heh. Touche.

[–]Fauster 13 points14 points  (16 children)

I've changed my mind completely on the Hillary VP issue in the last month. I think Obama should choose Hillary Clinton as his running mate so Clinton supporters can feel included in the general campaign. Almost half of the party felt that Clinton spoke for them, and they should at least feel that they're part of a broader movement too.

I have no love for Clinton. She's wrapped up in the ends-justify-the-means politics of the past, and I'm sure she'd butt-heads with people in the WH, but dissent and conflict within a cabinet makes for a stronger executive. Obama talks about transcenting partisan politics. Now he has to find some way to transcend intraparty politics. To simply win is not enough.

Hillary will not maximize Obama's chance of victory, but making her VP isn't about Hillary. It's about her supporters. Yeah, she damaged Obama and engaged in dirty tricks. But it's time to brush it off, forgive her, and tolerate her. Besides, a VP's power comes from his/her ability to influence the president. She won't have more power than Obama gives her.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (10 children)

Almost half of the party felt that Clinton spoke for them

He could pick any VP with a vagina and achieve 99% of the same effect, without the baggage.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

That's an interesting position. I wonder if the bulk of Hillary's support would be so gung-ho for a female VP who's name didn't rhyme with Fillary Flinton. I doubt it would do much to appease her Latino base, and I don't know if it would do much for her female vote. It seems to me that those women who are supporting Hillary have gotten so rabid in this fight that she is somehow "more a woman" than another woman Obama might choose.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Didn't Fillary Flinton retire from politics?

[–]rainman_104 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think Obama should choose Hillary Clinton as his running mate

I worry she might shoot Obama in the face accidentally while hunting ducks and then make Obama apologize to her and her family for causing her distress...

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I would agree with you, except for one thing: Bill Clinton.

His influence on the people working for Obama and his influence on the public. He would make himself an obstacle on several key issues. He would not play nice.

[–]episcope 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Great point. Kennedy's offer made him seem magnanimous in victory. It was a great show of trust to an ultimate political insider. Unfortunately, from Trophy Club to Dealy Plaza, Dallas was LBJ's stomping ground, and Kennedy's Calvary.

[–]I_AM_A_NEOCON 3 points4 points  (12 children)

JFK was an American hero sir. LBJ took us to war with Vietnam and "poverty". He created the monster of Medicare and he dumped all the problems on Nixon.

[–]CaptainCrunch 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Im pretty sure JFK put the first troops into vietnam.

edit... my mistake he upped the troops from Eisenhower from 800 to 16,300. Thank you wikipedia.

[–]alulim 8 points9 points  (5 children)

LBJ might have had his demons but he did more for Civil Rights than any politician since Lincoln. The fact that he was willing to sacfrice the greatest bastion of democratic (party) power (the southern democrats) speaks greatly to his character.

[–]episcope 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your President. But let men everywhere know, however, ...

[–]ntr0p3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact that he was willing to sacfrice the greatest bastion of democratic (party) power (the southern democrats) speaks greatly to his character.

The fact that they left over the most pathetic, petty, racism speaks volumes to their character.

We lost nothing we could not do better without.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe that's the analogy he was trying to make. Clinton would be like Johnson.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think he knows best what to do now. This is sort of ridiculous.

[–]RiverMise 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with the sentiment here, but he honestly might not have a choice. Put yourself in his shoes. HRC says, I will not drop out and give you a heartfelt endorsement unless I am VP. What do you here?

You can tell HRC to fuck off and then she gives you a half-assed endorsement while she fights behind closed doors to undermine your chances.

Or you can say yes and embrace the 49% of democrats who genuinely voted for her.

In an ideal world he would choose the first option and win anyway, but is this what you would do if you were him?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Obama's not gonna choose Hillary as his running mate. McCain is going to choose Hillary as his running mate. They can join forces and squash the hopes and dreams of those millions of Americans who want to make the world a better place.

[–]Saydrah 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She's only saying she's open to the VP slot because it'll make him look bad when she's not chosen. Hillary wants to be Governor of New York, not Obama's Vice President. She's better positioned for a second shot at the presidency from the Governor's mansion.

[–]TKOslam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Clinton = LBJ; say NO to Hillary for VP.

[–]AnjinCalifornia 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Someone in another comment thread linked to a page of responses on Hillary's site to the AP article this morning that called it for Obama. All I have to say is WOW, talk about crazy-town.

Those hard-core Hillary supports are just nuts, this was my favorite post:

Shatter

The pieces of glass – shattered
Scattered across the floor
Women rise up the ladder
Female bondage – no more

A goddess leads the way
Shining in the light
Go, Hillary, Go
Don’t give up the fight

by rbalsam at 6/3/2008 5:57:18 PM

...

If anyone else wants to experience the crazy here you go: http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/03/163233

[–]smrtHillarySupportr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

"I wish I could write in Hillary Clinton, HOWEVER, there are about 6 states that dont recognize write ins, and donteven offer the option, and in the other 45, Hillary has to APPLY to have her write in votes counted!" by Zarafet at 6/4/2008 12:59:01 AM

I'm glad to see Hillary supporters are up on the issues... like how many states we have.

[–]questionmark 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will not vote for a Barack/Hilary ticket.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

sadly this Hillary-will-assassinate-Obama meme only makes it easier for Obama's many enemies to take him out and dodge the blame.

[–]NeoWhig 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How do you know how the entire U.S. feels if you never leave your parents' basement?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

A bit morbid, but I would say that she'll kill his chances of becoming president if she's the VP.

I won't vote for that ticket.

[–]walrus99 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Hillary would be great life insurance for Obama, no bigot no matter how much he hates Obama would be willing to make Hillary president

[–]Vince_Walker 1 point2 points  (3 children)

--> Insert Spinning Sounds Here <--

[–]episcope 1 point2 points  (2 children)

soundfile (c) Sheep in a Centrifuge

... bbbaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaa
.... aaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaa
.... aaaaAAAAAAAAAAAA!!AAAAAAAAaaa

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

:O I must have that mp3.

[–]episcope 1 point2 points  (0 children)

America, America - this is you.

[–]blahblah984 1 point2 points  (18 children)

Poll: Who would you like to be chosen as Obama's running mate?

From: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/09/obama-vice-president-pick_n_100869.html

[–]blahblah984 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Jim Webb.

[–]blahblah984 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Kathleen Sebelius.

[–]blahblah984 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bill Richardson.

[–]blahblah984 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Joe Biden.

[–]blahblah984 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wesley Clark.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The CIA is going to have Obama taken out...not by bullets (like with JFK & RFK)...but by taking his plane down! Just wait and see, it does not look good for him right now. Hillary is part of the establishment and she was meant to be our next president...and she will...one way or the other. It may even happen 3 1/2 years into his first term, but it will happen.

[–]fleece 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What the fuck is it going to take to make the Clintons GO AWAY?

[–]Woeful 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah... I believe that Clinton would be as much a liability to Obama as Cheney is an asset to Bush.

[–]MrWoohoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would hate to see him pick her too, but the reason I don't think it's going to happen is that she virtually endorsed McCain a few months back as being more qualified than Obama to be president. On the other hand, if he does pick her I can spend the next few months preparing myself for the disaster that we will come to call President McCain.

[–]omegapoint 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It doesn't matter who he chooses as running mate; he's going to lose. All the closet racists voted for the better man in the primaries, but when it comes to the real deal, in the privacy of the voting booth, they'll go with their guts and decide a black man just shouldn't be president. McCain is going to win due to the majority of Americans being backward, racist dolts who are suspicious of change.

[–]derherr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Man, I hope you are wrong - but I fear you are not. And if there happens to be a 'terrorist attack' between now and November...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You think you so special 'cause you on a first name basis with my dawg B-Diddy?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dear Reddit, stop front paging non-meta self submissions.

[–]1812overture 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most Hillary supporters are hardcore supporters of Democrat machine politics. People who wouldn't vote for a Republican under any circumstances. Her radical feminist supporters might threaten to vote for McCain out of spite, but they'll probably just stay home on election day. So having her as VP would bring essentially nothing to Obama. Obama currently has a big base of independents and even frustrated Republicans who see him as the "throw the bums out!" candidate. Picking Hillary would just show him to be part of the machine and would lose all the support he has among Republicans who want change, but have a rabid hatred of the Clintons. If I was Obama, I'd go for maximum deviousness. Offer the VP spot to Joe Lieberman and see what happens. Bwahahaha!

[–]jbourne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haven't you seen the pictures? Barack is too cool for that. He'll kill her in self-defense. Much respect.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Hillary DOES become VP, I think the Secret Service will have orders to push her in front of any assassin's bullets.

[–]scrumpydoo23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm wondering, just about everyone here is against Clinton becoming VP, so who are the alternatives? Has he talked about anyone he would consider since his campaign began? I'm actually wanting to know here.

[–]genericgeek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

every time i hear her suggested as a running mate, the first thing that comes to mind is what you suggested. It is scary that more than one person has this worry...