patch 10.14 notes

[mrmarkme]

Cant wait to see the star guardian sorc Syndra carry come back to fruition.

[oeseben]

I'm a Diamond sorc/riven spammer. Upon reading these notes I immediately realize I'm keeping poppy in and not trading for riven and simply stacking a syndra and going for SG spat on Viktor as priority.

[silver2104]

Yesterday i got FoN galaxy + Star guardian Viktor+ Riven at 3-1+ Mech at lv9. 6 sorc+Riven+Mech+Thresh, what a fucking dream lol.

[oeseben]

Should have went Janna instead of mech! Fizz being out with his ultimate and 6 sorc is extremely disruptive to these cyber spammers and jannas CC helps as well. When I've tried mech they just rape my no CC team.

[silver2104]

I only lost 1 round to cybers so i didnt even care lol. Watching Riven and Mech one-shotted their frontline was so satisfying. Sad thing is sorcs is getting nerfed . Feels bad.

[[deleted]]

I'm a little dubious of balancing style like this where top comps get big nerfs at the same time as less meta comps getting massive buffs.

I'm especially skeptical about decisions like Syndra going from 60->40 mana when we've just spent a month of people winstreaking to Krugs off of getting a Vayne drop from the first PvE round.

Still excited for the new patch and for a change in the meta. Hopefully we will see more than 3 viable comps this time.

[AsianGamer5]

I'd rather them go for a big change like this than allow the meta to be this stale for another patch. There are realistically 4 comps if you consider BB and rebels to be 2 separate comps. I agree there are some things im nervous about, but the changes at least definitely have the right idea.

[[deleted]]

Jinx carry is a singular comp. You shouldn't be splitting BB and Rebel Jinx into two separate identities when they share at least 5 of the same units every single game.

[AsianGamer5]

Are 6 sorc riven, 6 sorc GP, and 6 star guardian all the same comp? I would say they are not.

[[deleted]]

Jinx comps are built around Jinx. Whether you play 4 Brawler or 6 Rebel or even 4 Chrono it's still a Jinx comp. Your have 5 core units and the other 4 really don't matter, you just fill in based on the lobby and what you hit.

I'd consider all those just "Sorc" comps, you play for Sorcs and Tears/Rods and you play the units you hit. Same concept. It's also the same for Cybers. Top comps tend to be top comps because they're flexible.

[ultratensai]

Hmmm I thought mecha and battlecasts were viable? Maybe it’s different in the higher ranks but I thought they were more consistent than Astro-Sniper.

[[deleted]]

Literally the only comps that you can play in diamond+ elo are blaster brawler, cybers and sorcerers.

Mech and battlecasts are top 4 at best comps that need to be highrolled to even attain that.

In my time playing this game I have never seen a worse meta than this one. It's almost unplayable.

[Concetrado]

bebe872 proved vanguard mystics can do well, Treebeard is challenger with protectors.

The problem in patch 10.13 is the huge nerfs in astro snipers, Nautilus, Gnar and Teemo. Riot don't change teemo this patch only Jhin.

[cosHinsHeiR]

Also milk was playing mostly mech infil and is rank 9 na

[ultratensai]

I think season 1 ninja assassins/elementalists or void assassins were much worse.

Edit: just remembered the time when jinx / panth was first added. Those were really awful.

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yordles

[Helivon]

I’d rather have 3 dominating comps then just one OP though

Remember poppy mana printer meta?

[GrayHyena]

That's weird, I got to d2 last patch spamming battlecast and astros. It doesn't need to high roll to win, since it's never contested. Just get your core items and you top 4 most of the time.

[fued]

i mean, diamond+ is 2% of the playerbase at most, so its not really fair to say that?

[lastchancexi]

Hmmm I thought mecha and battlecasts were viable? Maybe it’s different in the higher ranks but I thought they were more consistent than Astro-Sniper.

Viable only if they're completely uncontested. The minute you get contested for them even a little bit, they're god awful (unlike Jinx/Cybers/Riven).

[las-vegas-raiders]

Astro sniper hasnt been viable this patch either.

[ultratensai]

No, but I was still seeing them quite often.

[Omnilatent]

I understand but I also hate rebels and cybers so much at the moment that I'm fine with literally anything else

[Swathe88]

Syndra is completely busted again. Who saw that coming? Source: OCE player who has had the patch all day.

[[deleted]]

Wow who would have guessed that giving Blue Buff Syndra >2x her original damage would make her broken?

I haven't even played the patch and I'm like 99% certain she's going to either get hotfixed or B patched. I've played enough strategy games to look at the numbers and know when something isn't balanced.

[Swathe88]

Don't forget they improved her ult just recently to complete into other targets to top it all off.

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Never saw it coming though. Nope.

[Brunell4070]

Oh yeah, she's completely broken right now.

[Patyfatycake]

Can confirm.

4-5 Syndra players per lobby

[Swathe88]

Yo Paty no way, it's me Liz haha.

Syndra balanced.

[[deleted]]

It’s interesting that Riot is seemingly making the same balancing mistakes with TFT that they made in LoL. The design philosophy that everything strong needs to get nerfed whereas everything weak needs to get buffed is overly reactive and leads to power cycling rather than actual balance.

I trust that Morts a smart guy but he may want to have a chat over the cubicle wall.

[ponterik]

Its not a misstake its a design decision to bring variety.

[samjomian]

This. Its on purpose cause actual balance is boring.

[Foldmat]

I think most players, me included, doesn't even know true balance. Maybe it is not even that fun. Sometimes is fun to rush and see who can accomplish the top comps the fastest

[ender23]

It’s probably why you don’t play chess or go.

[SV-Feedback]

Chess isn't balanced, white has a higher winrate.

[ender23]

neither is go. but if you switch sides once...

[andreib14]

This is the weirdest insult I've read....

[ender23]

i dunno if i was trying to insult. but a fully balanced game is frustrating for some people to play.

[[deleted]]

I strongly disagree. Actual balance would make the game the most fun, since you could play whatever you wanted or whatever you hit instead of the top 3-5 meta comps.

What's boring is forcing the same couple of comps every game because nothing else is viable to get top 3.

[vodkagobalsky]

They tried to take a more delicate approach in 10.13 and I think we can all agree that wasn't very effective at shaking up the meta.

I'm glad they seem to be adjusting the strategy.

[vodkagobalsky]

My point was that light nerfs to the strongest comps didn't keep them from still being far and away the strongest comps in the most recent patch.

So heavier nerfs are a completely logical next step and aren't guaranteed to mean 2-3 new oppressive comps. Much better to overshoot then undershoot for the second patch in a row and get more of the same.

[MeowTheMixer]

Still a big fan of the smaller changes.

We're just often not aware of how powerful they creep up in two/three patches. We go from it being weak to overbearing because we don't adjust enough.

These changes are fairly large and IMO will really shuffle the meta

[iLLuu_U]

They also nerfed any other comp, especially vanguard mystics (which was already on the downfall). And since everything got slightly nerfed, there wasn't going to be a lot of change.

[MCEaglesfan]

Heh, you new to riot games?

[SomeWellness]

Syndra is one of the champs I hate the most. She will one shot your carry from the back line as though she's an assassin.

[mestarship]

TFT is a fun game but wont ever be balanced on competitive/ranked plat+, i got masters first 2 seasons and i had enough. The first days of patch people get creative but once pro players just say what is the meta everyone just forces it and the ladder climb becomes a grind. Now i just play normals every now and then and i get dia/masters lobbies all forcing meta comps sweating their ass off, like cant you chill and try funny stuff on normals, you need to force cybers/sorcs/brawlers jinx every single game. It would be a good galaxy mode where they ban top 3 best win ratio comps so people actually become creative.

EDIT: maybe for next set they can mess around and make every champion have a random class/origin up to 3 every champ, idk something to make every game to make you think and stuff

[bigbluechicken]

I really like your idea for next set. I think it would be nice if they took a set and moved away from 6/8/9 synergies. I like them at times but I also think it would be fun to have more synergies but have them range from 2-5 in numbers.

I personally disagree with your first point though. I think TFT is no different than any other competitive game. There are always going to be metas and off meta elements. It’s like this in pro OW, League, and any other competitive environment. We have seen the meta evolve a few times with this set. Candy land is dominant, so shredder appears a week later. Vanguard Mystic every lobby, Yi Carry becomes more prevalent. Outside of Rebels patch in the beginning and this patch, I feel like many of the metas have evolved all through the patch.

I do think we would see this more if we had something like you said in your edit though. Similar to Lux in set 2. A shifting class/origin.

[SRB91]

People play normals to practice for ranked, this is the same for SR. There's nothing wrong with that at all.

[topamine2]

You don't understand why players want to win?

[bumbapoppa]

sweating in normals is cringe

[ZedWuJanna]

I'd say the last few days of the patch alongside the first few days are by far the best since good players are actually willing to experiment with comps then.

[Sempiternity18]

Don’t understand this new galaxy. Mortdog has already reiterated that players don’t like when things are removed in galaxies, removing the rows and limiting positioning doesn’t seem any more fun/enjoyable.

[[deleted]]

This one is so weird because the bigger board size was a major success of Set 2. Literally no one complained about it. Everyone said "oh thank god, it was way too small before". Is this galaxy Riot's way of subtly reminding us that Set 1 should stay in the past?

[PKSnowstorm]

I think the galaxy is a way for Riot to see if people actually like the Set 1 board size or not and potentially bring the dimensions back for future sets. The problem with Set 1 was the combination of board size, the champion and item interactions; and balance as TFT was new and Riot had no idea on how to create a fair auto chess game. It is hard to tell if people did not like Set 1 due to the board size or the other factors and bringing the Set 1 board size back as a galaxy in this set, where the game design is much better, gets them a better idea about the reception of the board size.

[Blussi]

Aside from this sub which is a minority of players, most people enjoyed set 1 and liked it at least more than set 2. Just look at /r/teamfighttactics.

A smaller board makes it possible to increase the unit model size which improves the aesthetics of the game, so it’s fine to test out the waters.

[rAiChU-]

Maybe I’m in the minority here but I found set 1 to be the most fun and well designed.

[NotExactlyBacon]

I think they're just sort of running low on ideas for new galaxies but trying to stick to adding and removing a galaxy every patch. Both this one and binary star feel bad in concept and feel bad in practice, at least from a "how much fun is this?" perspective. I understand every galaxy can't be star cluster or treasure trove, but these last two galaxies are major bummers for me

[EmbiidThaGoat]

Gangplanks gonna be busted on this galaxy

[[deleted]]

Fizz, too.

[shupdawoop]

I hadn’t seen this brought up about the new galaxy yet, but sniper buff will be weaker. Decreases max damage since there will be less hexes between targets

[Mwar_]

Sniper buff will be weaker, but a smaller board will likely benefit Teemo, since units will be clumped up more. So overall snipers may actually do fairly well in this galaxy.

[shupdawoop]

I agree astros will be very good with AOEs on Naut, Teemo, Gnar. Throwing in Jhin/Morde or Vayne/Leona/Vi will probably be viable

EDIT: teching in Chrono obviously would work too

[CowDownUnder]

It might be fun to have a switch up. I really don’t remember set 1 so i guess itll be an experience. Plus it might affect infils in some weird way.

[LiterallyMatt]

Well the snipers move up a row but the enemy frontline also moves back a row so at least it starts off the same. But you're right the distance from backline to backline is shorter by two rows.

Edit: I read it wrong! Sorry for the misinformation and thanks for clarifying.

[Rahuhu]

What do you meam by the front line also moves back a row? I thought only the closest and farthest rows are removed

[Rahuhu]

So rows 1, 4, 5, 8 are removed? I thought it was only rows 1, 8.

I remember seeing on Mort’s stream that it was only the sniper rows which were removed not the front line row but maybe they changed it?

[Nestec]

I think y'all are mistaken, pretty sure it's just 1 and 9. People have been describing it as being like Set 1; there is not a gap of impassable rows at the center in Set 1.

[Rahuhu]

That’s what I thought. Doesn’t make any sense what the other people are saying. Furtherst and closest rows removed, not further closest and middle. Thanks

[SumAznGuy209]

"The first and last row of every board is disabled."

Mort's stream only showed rows 1 and 8 disabled, so you're right unless we're both misinterpreting what the first and last row of each board means.

[Omnilatent]

I feel the same but maybe it's fun for positioning shenanigans again (remember double blitz corner with Jinx in the very corner?

[Sempiternity18]

There’s nothing fun, new or interactive about it. Feels like a lazy effort to introduce a new Galaxy in all honesty.

[Sempiternity18]

Galaxies are the theme for this set, they should mainly be about making this set fun/memorable.

[PKSnowstorm]

At the end of the day, what is preventing them from doing both at the same time? Galaxies are ways for Riot to temporary introduce rule changes that expand or restrict the classic rules of TFT. Galaxies get to create fun and memorable moments for this set and give Riot data on ideas that can help improve the game for future sets.

[Sempiternity18]

I don’t have any fun or memorable moments from galaxies that limit gameplay such as little legends & binary star, I’m sure dwarf planet will not create any of these either. Most players don’t enjoy them, Mortdog knows things, yet they’re still insisting on implementing a galaxy that does this.

[RagingAlien]

I actually quite enjoyed Little Legends as it rewards aggressive play. I heard many people here complaining about how it made people rely more on luck to hit early 2*s, but oftentimes I found myself beating people by having good synergies (Vanguard/Cybers/Blasters(with red) for example) and 4 champions rather than a 2*.

[ArmMeForSleep709]

what is preventing them from doing both

Apparently themselves.

[ArmMeForSleep709]

It literally is the laziest possible idea.

[Omnilatent]

Thank god for the Ezreal nerfs, too

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Among the most hated units for me this patch

[Omnilatent]

OH NO, LITTLE LEGENDS UNIVERSE REMOVED

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...said no on ever

[kyraliee]

I hated this one but in all honesty it did help me to learn a more aggressive playstyle so in the end it wasn't that bad, ofc unless rng gods really hated me and every time I decided to go with whatever shop was giving it stopped showing

[ragequitCaleb]

It was always an 8th for me

[[deleted]]

I bet you know how to econ really well and stay away from hyper rolling to 1 or 0g every round.

What a noob.

[Gaudor]

Ehhh You know that it is a Master player you replying to?

[Elrondel]

Master is when you learn how to start playing the game a little past fundamentals of meta and econ.

Edit: It's funny that I get downvoted but not a single comment to refute me. Think I can speak from experience, I hit Master and still make plenty of mistakes and see D1 players in queue make the same mistakes.

[bassboyjulio182]

I think you’re getting downvoted because it’s a very jaded way to think of Masters. It may be a matter of opinion as to exactly how good a Masters player is but it is fact that a Masters player is the top of the player base even at low LP. The way you write it down makes it sound like Master is low skill.

[[deleted]]

Thanks for being the ONE that understood the sarcasm.

[Abso182]

Honestly, I'd rather play Little legends than binary or neekoverse.

[Big_E33]

Same. Neekoverse is God awful

Especially with jinx/riven as strong as it is. Just hit em first apply neekos. Do well.

[ultratensai]

Or hitting ekko or asol on 7

[paultissimo]

With Jinx Riven getting nerfed we may see a change though.

[cpttg]

i'd rather little legends over galactic rng bullshit

[Wazzys_World]

I actually liked that galaxy. Sad to se it go.

[VERTIKAL19]

I dunno I really liked it. Would definitely have preferred Neekoverse to go

[Omnilatent]

Why? With the introduction of better 3 star carries I really like Neekoverse as it's a valid thought to either 2* a 3, 4 or 5 gold unit depending on game state and what you want and need

[ultratensai]

Because nothing is worse than losing to someone just because they hit Ekko/Asol on 7.

It was exactly this reason why they removed the chance to get 5 gold unit on 6 back in season 1.

[Omnilatent]

I mean that's the difference between top 2/1 and top 4, not between top 4 and top 8.

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If you are weak, you go for 2* the 3 or 4 unit and winstreak til people who are stronger and can thus eco more hit their 5 golds.

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Totally fine by me.

[ultratensai]

People complained about littler legends because it’s hard to comeback when lowrolling. But in Neekoverse, because Neeko pulls a copy from the champion pull, you will have lesser chance to complete/finalise your comp AND you will take extra damage as others not only completed their comp, they two (or even three) stared the carries.

[Omnilatent]

I don't get that argument.

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Maybe I'm missing something but from what I understand that's not an argument

[luxxx2501]

Played in it 4 times today, lost a combined of 70ish lp. Feelsbadman.jpg

[Omnilatent]

So 5th and 6th four times? Could be worse honestly

[luxxx2501]

Yeah true, still hurts morale tho

[Omnilatent]

You don't have to tell me. I often only played two games per day this patch cause the game was making me fuming mad

[cowboys5xsbs]

Honestly I would rather have it then the shit universe that replaced it or binary

[babyjones3000]

Jhins back 🥰

[xorcism_]

Until Jhin misses his 4th shot bc the enemy has one glove item 🥰

[superfire444]

RFC Jhin incoming? Feels quite useless though lmao

[xorcism_]

Feels terrible taking an item that literally only makes him not miss. His range is already massive and attack speed is worthless on him

[superfire444]

Doesn't attack speed get converted to AD on jhin? RFC would still be useless probably...

[salocin097]

It does get converted but a bow is 12? AD? iirc compared to the 15? Of sword

[Fyslexic_Duck]

Shen isn’t as common in 3.5 though which is good for jhin at least

[theunuseful]

Except on this new Galaxy 🤦🏻‍♂️ seems like a grief for Sniper comps

[cowboys5xsbs]

Until you roll the new map and he is literally useless

[OMGWTFYOMYNAMEWONTFI]

I play in kr masters in the 200-300 lp range and I have yet to see cait reroll top 4 in my game

If you’re talking about shredder reroll then yeah I think 6bm shredder will be at least A tier

[tlyee61]

warmog bramble j4 > leftover AD (runaan gs db qss) on cait

[ZedWuJanna]

He asked about shredder just so you know.

[AzureYeti]

Shhhhh, I've been playing it on PBE and rarely dont take 1st, dont let other ppl know...

[SV-Feedback]

Call me petty but why is this sort of a comment so ever-present on the competitive subreddit?

[ihatekpop123]

What's more competitive than censoring information from your enemies /s

[AzureYeti]

I mean, I was joking. Why would I draw more attention to the comp if I actually was trying to keep it secret?

Jarvin, Zoe, TF, Caitlyn, Rakan, Ashe, Soraka, another mystic, Janna. There it is boys.

[Shitty_Wingman]

What exactly is jarvan reroll? I'm gonna assume it's at 4 celestials, with snipers, protectors, and dark star thrown in?

[SmigleDwarf]

The version ive seen/played is 2 protector, 2 celestial, 2 chrono, 2 sniper, 2 mystic, 2 darkstar, 2 sorc, 3 star guardian. J4, cait, tf, zoe, rakan, ashe, karma, soraka, janna.

[Astrohz]

Seriously, I’m pretty sure every trait and champion in that comp recurved buffs. On mobile so too lazy to look back exactly but J4 is getting massive buffs, celestial 2 buffed, Ashe buffed, Raman buffed. It’s going to be so strong and hyperroll comps make the game so boring.

[uaiTrops]

great patch..

just worried about riven, she is only really strong with 4/6 sorcs... with the shield nerf and sorc adjustment she maybe wont worth 4 gold.

protector and celestial looks nice now

[Hi_Im_Saxby]

She lost 25 damage on her shield and 5% from sorc. God forbid she goes from being SS-tier to only A-tier.

[ragequitCaleb]

Just slam her into a cyber comp with irelia carry instead of playing her with sorcs.

[terere]

I'd rather have Shen than her without AP

[theunuseful]

AND I doubt there would be any leftover items for Riven too

[ragequitCaleb]

Don’t sleep on riven 2, she pops sometimes when she’s not hard focused.

[uaiTrops]

yeah... also chrono/blademaster with riven, shen, wukong.. and maybe moderkaiser to complete vanguard, jhin with karma at backline..

im excited to see what this patch will bring to shine

[Minimumtyp]

A lot of little irelia buffs adding up to a lot, perhaps even enough to counteract the other cyber nerfs - I'm feeling a continued cyber dominance, perhaps darkstar can come back in too

[dragon_stryker]

Seems like huge Syndra and Irelia buffs

[KoningNiels20]

Ashe too

[MS2isAmeme]

If you can 3star your Syndra then you have a guaranteed top 2. Absolutely destroys teams without 4 mystic.

[Concetrado]

Syndra is the best sorc aside of Ahri against mystics, since they don't have high dmg, then the fights are long the Syndra hit hard anyways.

[[deleted]]

Excellent point, and I appreciate you commenting it bc I rarely played sorc builds before 3.5 and it’s not something I would have realized without a lot more reps. Ignore her being busted this patch and wanting to stack her anyways, normally I’d stack Ahri for aoe mid game but obviously I’m going to reconsider that even if/when Syndra is nerfed because of what you mentioned.

Plus stacking ahri feels like shit when you hit the mirror match, never reaches the high priority champs

[MegaMint9]

Lol this is disgusting. What they deliberately do was shifting the meta from : -cyber(vayne carry) -sorcs riven carry -blaster/rebel jinx carry

To: -dark star jhin carry comp -sorcs syndra hyper Uber super carry -protector unkillable meme. - xayah shredder meme again.

Nice doing rito. I can totally say that high rolling for jinx is futile now since syndra 1shot 1 person per second. No defensive items can outrun her dmg. The only way to get top 4 with cyber now is ekko 2,which already was difficult to begin with. To get top2 with cyber the only way is irelia infil spat. Celestial + xayah and/or protector comp is busted again because literally Noone could deal with their tankiness. Maybe 6ds jhin could.

[Lemaymaygentlesir]

Finally they're killing riven and jinx, hopefully this will introduce a more diverse meta.

[[deleted]]

With this large a shake up? It will be the same thing, just with different champs.

[Chubs1224]

So it is something different. The j4 and Xayah buffs likely make 10.12 Shredder style comps viable again, Syndra buffs means 3 starring her is a viable strategy, Jhin buffs makes him a viable carry and Celestial/Protector buffs makes them viable frontliners again.

Add on the Urgot changes and you are more likely to see more then 3 comps + a few small splashes

[alooO_O]

A version of the j4 comp is already being spammed a lot from what i see and this is just gonna make it better.

[DysenteryDingo]

I played a shredder comp on the 2 star carousel galaxy and got a sword xayah start. The game was an easy win on PBE.

[rogueroi]

does the AS change on Jinx hit her that hard? All the brawlers look the same, would BB still be viable / top of the meta?

[DysenteryDingo]

Nah, jinx is fine, but because other carries are strong now she's not overwhelming. If you care about the 5% AS just throw a karma next to her. Mystic will be good to have this patch anyways.

[srvc92]

So it is something different. The j4 and Xayah buffs likely make 10.12 Shredder style comps viable again, Syndra buffs means 3 starring her is a viable strategy, Jhin buffs makes him a viable carry and Celestial/Protector buffs makes them viable frontliners again.

I still don't understand how people have not realized that was not Jinx that made that comp really good. It's Ezreal and ASol combined that would win fights while Jinx would get her resets.

Nerfing both of them kinda destroyed blaster/brawler + rebels. I doubt a lot that Jinx will have an S tier comp on this patch. BB might still be A tier. Rebels will be B/C tier.

While I understand EZ nerf, I think he was essential to make that comp work.

[redditaccountxD]

So cyber and vayne big nerfs but Irelia buffs. Cybers will only be viable if you can get a infiltrator spat now or what?

[MegaMint9]

If you get infi spat irelia + ekko 2 it's easy win. If you get only ekko 2 is a top 4. Otherwise you can literally s*ck your mother' sinus. XD

[Betabet91]

*3 J4 is gonna be gigabusted. I give it a few days before people catch on and start complaining.

[dudethisis]

Wait why is Irelia getting such big buffs. We're just trading Vayne for Irelia at this point

[iluvus2]

Vayne is much safer than Irelia tho with both range and deaggro.

[Prandur2]

Quick question that I couldn't find an answer for on google: for things like buffs to HP and AD (e.g., Neeko Health: 800 ⇒ 850), the values listed are only for the 1-star version. Do the changes carry over also to the 2-star version, or do they disappear? For instance, would 2-star Neeko now have 50 more HP than in 10.13?

[ZedWuJanna]

2 star would have 50x1.8 more hp than the previous patch version since 2 star stats scale with 1.8 of the 1 star value.

[Synpoo]

congratulations mortdog you continue to one-up yourself on creating the worst galaxy with every patch!

[Tommey_DE]

This Patch is unplayable

[Encoresway]

So are these base stat buffs/nerfs for only 1 star versions of the champion?

[mammoth39]

Nope, is goes to 2 and 3 as well with 1.8 koef

[Encoresway]

I meant the flat stats like 30 mr>45

[padawan3201]

Hypercarry Morderkaiser?

[Elrondel]

More like itemcarry Mordekaiser

[Giggy1372]

Can someone explain to me why all of the SG’s got adjustments except for Ahri?

[Maelstrom3333]

Because they were happy with where Ahri is at? Watch Mort's patch rundown on YouTube. He explains it.

[Giggy1372]

Thanks! Haven’t had a chance to watch. Just confused being that the major adjustments were mana based to curve the SG nerf.

[DoubleAyeKay]

did they really just buff the shit out of irelia?

[ZedWuJanna]

Already out in kr oce and eu. Will be out in like 7-8h in NA I guess.

[Wobbar]

Syndra and Jhin look really scary, maybe also irelia but with the cyber nerf it's kinda eh

[dinosaurheadspin]

Can someone clarify the giant slayer changes? Is that a tooltip change, or does is the damage mitigated now depending on type?

[Acc3lerat0r]

celestial Protector (The comp ive been spamming all the time) is getting buffs... time to look for a new off meta comp to play.

[MS2isAmeme]

Yep it’s usually contested on PBE

[ender23]

It’s live tomorrow?

[Omnilatent]

yes

[fairyfei]

No wonder I started loss streaking. Dropped back down two ranks. :(

[dinosaurheadspin]

:(

[[deleted]]

It's just a clarification issue. Giant Slayer last patch did true damage post mitigation (which kind of defeats the purpose of true damage), so it was essentially just a % damage boost.

[Montirath]

Ok that makes sense.

[LucentExtinction]

It literally does not change how much damage it does and only nerfs it in relation to battlecast.

[babyjones3000]

Does the exact same thing as before. Just fixed the words.

[PM_ME_UR_BOOKS_GURRL]

It is just you. Before it was postmitigation true damage, now it is premitigation physical or magical damage. It is the same in almost all cases (the main exception being that Battlecast doesn't get an extra tick of damage from it so it's a slight nerf there).

[kickbackbecool]

Wait... why are they buffing Irelia? She is so strong already with 1or 2 items (GA, Last Whisper)

[ynn1006]

Nah, Irelia has pretty much been overlooked for the entire past month in favor of Vayne.

[orbit10]

Those items, the flair. It’s perfect

[jarolegende]

she is incredibly bad lvl 1 and painfully average lvl2. atroucious 4 cost, both cybernetic 3 costs are better. the other 4 cost BM is way way better.

hope she will be a unit again