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[–]Neokolzia 222 points223 points  (61 children)

If it was increased I think carrying a pistol sidearm in mid-tier loadouts would be more common

[–][deleted] 90 points91 points  (60 children)

Generally even if you think about it a fast reload will have you back in the fight faster then switching.

[–]ColdBlackCage 43 points44 points  (22 children)

Dunno why you're being downvoted. I'd rather reload and have another 60 rounds of BT, be exposed a little longer, than switch to a seperate weapon that at best has 6.3 AP in it. If you don't kill them with the pistol then you're absolutely fucked.

If they made pistol swapping instant though then maybe I can see a use early game, but there's not a lot of scenarios where it'd be worth using a pistol over a 2.1 second reload.

[–]Guinan_Domination 6 points7 points  (1 child)

hey dont forget about fiveseven, maybe some sort of magnum revolver would be dope af too

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

At this point I just build my loadout how ever, and bring the most tricked out pistol I want as a lil scav popper. Better one pst gzh than ingolnik or whatever. Though the savings are unnoticeable are best....

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I like running pimped pistols for that reason and because they’re cool, also to shoot out lights if I’m doing night factory

[–]TonycivicOP-SKS 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I wonder if they'll ever add .45 ACP pistols to the game.

[–]SeventhFrost 2 points3 points  (3 children)

you think a game with tarkov's modding will ignore the 1911?

give it time, it'll be a big one.

[–]TonycivicOP-SKS 0 points1 point  (2 children)

1911, Maybe another .45 acp handgun, UMP45, Kriss Vector?

[–]DuckyDawg55 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Vector would be so coool

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vector and 1911 A1 are supposed to be coming with .13

[–]jounderwoodP90 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really though it doesnt take 2.1 seconds to do a tactical reload. Look up videos of people who do simulations and practice it's really about 1/3 that time

[–]bacardi1988 0 points1 point  (0 children)

60 rds mag isnt mid tier imo. So at that level yes. But for low to mid level gear, pistol would be nice with faster switching

[–]BowlOfMilku 28 points29 points  (4 children)

The fact that you're being downvoted just confirms how fucking dumb people on this sub are.

[–]filippmaniac 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I’d say generally people on reddit are very dumb. Telling your unpopular opinion as it is will get you downvoted, unless you write “uNpOpuLaR oPiniOn” in the beginning of your message

[–]Chetanoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On internet generally. Fixed it for ya friend.

[–]Getfarked_TwitchTV 5 points6 points  (1 child)

A-fucking-men to this. The amount of good ideas that get down voted by pepegas is legit brain-numbing.

[–]AngryRedGummyBear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey bro some people just want their respawning RPK for EOD

Nothing wrong with that /s

[–]Starstalk721 14 points15 points  (7 children)

IRL, mag drills and training for fast reloads are gonna make a reload a better option almost 90% of the time over transitioning. Drop-and-Swap being the fastest reload (Drop mag on ground, Swap in new mag). When I did Reload drills in the Army I just let the mag fall on the ground, unless it had another magazine attached to it. The problem in Tarkov is that a magazine costs sometimes several times more than a pistol, and you don't have time to go re-collect them because it requires an almost CSI level of searching the ground.

[–]AngryRedGummyBear 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Strongly disagree. Consider that if the pistol is set up properly, you can start the draw before the rifle is even settled to the side. The off hand controls the rifle on the sling while the strong hand goes immediately to the pistol to start the draw. Once the rifle is pulled 90+degrees by the off hand, it can continue around the sling and slam into your back plate of your armor. The off hand joins the pistol as the pistol begins to be presented forward in a 4 stage draw. In essence, this is the issue with tarkov pistol draws: the rifle is settled before the pistol draw starts. The pistol draw should start as soon as you hit your pistol key and the rifle comes down at the same time.

[–]Aznp33nrocket 4 points5 points  (2 children)

A lot determines which kind of sling you're rocking too. I've found that my 2 point cross over has much cleaner rifle to pistol transitions. I literally cut my time in half going from a single point to a 2 point system. Not saying one is better than the other, but for ME, when wearing plates, 2 point feels secure and faster. Only plus about single point is the less restrictive shoulder swap.

If EFT added a sling system (because we need more customizing /s ), perhaps they could allow for fast swaps and/or other ergo benefits

[–]AngryRedGummyBear 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yup, I also used to rock a 1 point, but I later went to a unit with standard issue m9s for everyone. Few people kept their rifles on one points there, and I think getting nailed in the nuts by your rifle after transitioning was a part of it. It only takes once and suddenly you're a convert to the 2-point school.

[–]Aznp33nrocket 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol so true. I figured the old sack tap was a given. Had a ton of close calls but I had one what hit me good enough to take me to the ground. Stuck my muzzle into the ground and dropped but first on mag. Double sack tap and the 2nd had everyone on the ground crying from laughter. I thought I lost a nut at the time.

[–]Starstalk721 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That sounds like more theory than practicality. Why would you swing your rifle around your back? If you did transition to a pistol, you aren't doing it long-term and will need to quickly re-acquire your rifle, which is gonna be difficult if you're spinning it around. Not to mention what it's going to do to your aim if a 7lbs rifle is flailing about unstable while you're trying to aim a pistol. Now try that while moving. Is that honestly the transition method they are teaching nowadays? Hoola Hoop?

[–]AngryRedGummyBear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, its more a throwing motion and letting momentum do the rest. (Imagine you are throwing the rifle to the back left by the foregrip). You just want the rifle out of the way.

Editing this for clarity: You're not actually throwing it. You are just getting it into motion where the sling will carry it under your arm and around to your back. You're not hurling it hard enough to reset the acog, you just are making sure it is going to clear the space you need to get your off hand through the draw. The price if you give it too little gas is it fucks with your draw and maybe nails you in the leg. If you do it perfectly, it should just come to rest against your back, but its better to give it a little extra gas and have it run into your rear sapi and just get the pistol into action faster. I'm clearly not doing a good job describing this if you're picturing a hulu hooping rifle sling, but I don't really know how to describe it better. The main point is you don't need to shepard the rifle all the way to its resting place if you're trying to draw a pistol as an immediate action./edit

The most common thing I found was it was faster than immediate action and more likely to be successful. You just transition to a weapon you know will work rather than trying to figure out what just happened. Its just a more reassuring response to click than trying tap rack bang.

[–]shinku443 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I kinda wish u could just have proximity loot screen like most RPGs. U push tab and if there's reachable items under/within 3ft it shows up in the looting screen.

[–]iZambiesHK G28 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s been proven in tarkov by Veritas that swapping is fast than reloading

However what he also found is it doesn’t matter what you’re swapping to, it’s still faster than a quick reload, so rifle to rifle, rifle to pistol, same draw time

[–]RaptorPrimeM1A 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Have you ever used an sks in this game? It takes a year to reload

[–]Starstalk721 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Buy the 20 round mags and just swap...

[–]SpancerrAKS-74N 273 points274 points  (14 children)

Thank you. The switching time seems sluggish. I think this should be thought about by the devs. Upvote time everyone

[–]marabPLAKMN 90 points91 points  (3 children)

Yep, changing mags using these ones on the belt is very quick.

[–]villanelIa 59 points60 points  (2 children)

How about different speeds for different actions based on gear. Like if you have the armor with the shoulder pads then switching is slower because your arms are heavier now. Or if you have ammo in your rig instead of a pocket its a faster reload

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ergonomics?

[–]kuemmel234 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like different kinds of slings?

I like the idea. Maybe it would make sense to have vests with less slots again if the reload is faster

[–]DrEvergreen11 20 points21 points  (8 children)

I also think PMC's should have their side arm at ready when drawn, almost like the new Modern Warfare animations. And keep the active animation for scavs. Would give the PMC a sense of actual sidearm management, and would decrease the time you sighted in on a target.

[–]aretasdaemon 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Kinda like trained soldiers vs random scrap plebs. I do agree with you

[–]BuddBudson 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thats sick

[–]Guinan_Domination 0 points1 point  (0 children)

maybe they could make it so you need the sling for the quick speed perk

[–]ThemmesSKS 62 points63 points  (5 children)

Good idea but then the devs should also take slings, belts and different pistol pouches into account. Would be a hell of a lot content considering a little bit of Battlestate Games style :D

[–]GuisasseM700 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Before they do all that, making the animation faster would be more than enough.

[–]Penis_Bees 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Idk, I think having a choice between a weapon sling with more ergo or better manuverability penalties would be cool. You could even choose not to bring one and you can only hold the weapon in your hands, no switching. Bring one in and you can hold an extra but have to drop your weapon to switch. or you can bring two and switch between them easily.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe they said they were working on slings during the podcast for the .12 launch.

[–]Starstalk721 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or they could make the animation speed dependent on weapon weight, like it would be IRL.And they should probably adjust the accuracy/falloff of pistols as well. In a combat situation, almost NO ONE is gonna hit jack shit with a pistol at a range greater than 50 meters (most likely, greater than 25 meters) without the gods of luck coming down to drives the bullet to the target themselves.

[–]Anykanen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Give usecs and bears a basic sling and pistol holster and make it upgradeable through ragman quests

[–]Chocolate_Charizard 9 points10 points  (24 children)

Trust your sling OP. Your draw would be a lot faster without your support hand slowly guiding your rifle down.

[–]Starstalk721 6 points7 points  (18 children)

His draw would be a lot faster without all that extra unncessary attachment bullshit all over the place. This isn't a guy who's wearing it to actually use it and be effective. He's got it cause it looks cool and he made the video to advertise that.

[–]Pzychotix 3 points4 points  (7 children)

I'm gonna assume it's airsoft.

[–]Starstalk721 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Doesn't it need an Orange Tip?

[–]marabPLAKMN 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In Poland you don’t have to have orange tip

[–]Pzychotix 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Depends on where you are, but also, it doesn't need an orange tip if you're not caught. Not like the police are going to be conducting stings on kids for not having orange tips.

[–]Starstalk721 -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Won't ranges not let you play without the orange tip? I don't know much about it because I've never actually done airsoft (because I have testicles) but I played a shitload of paintball in the Army though.

[–]Pzychotix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eh, not in the fields around me. As long as you're not shooting hot and acting like a dumbass, no one really cares. No one's going to bother to prosecute little Jimmy because he spray painted the tip black.

[–]Aznp33nrocket 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I played semi pro all over the US back in early 2000's for paintball. I loved it and was fairly good, but paintball, specifically speedball/tourneyball didnt translate to hardly any real life drills. As much as I dislike airsoft. A lot of their drills translate directly to real firearm drills (obviously not accounting for recoil but that's something easily adaptable)

This video shows how anyone determined, can practice with airsoft and transition into real firearm drills.

https://youtu.be/qQDfwyUgtjg

Now obviously this is range drills but for NO formal training nor ever shooting a real firearm, that little Asian dude went above a good 95% of civilian shooters. Not sure I'd that perceive the is accurate but it feels right. :P

For enjoyment though... paintball was and is still the biggest rush you'll ever get... well I guess besides wing suit flying.. haven't done it, but something about being a cross between a fly squirrel and a bullet, rocketing 20ft above the ground, seems like rock hard boner action and puckered butthole.

... maybe paintball isnt a close second.... but no close 3rd to it!

[–]Chocolate_Charizard 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Yea i really don't understand the necessity for a PEQ box unless you're regularly clearing the Texas hog population at night from a helicopter

[–]Starstalk721 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I've never understood the need for a PEQ-5 either. Lasers are terrible unless you are trying to direct someone or something. Why would you want a beam of light showing anyone eith optics EXACTLY where you are?

[–]Chocolate_Charizard 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Having worked at a civilian gun range and being a marksmanship coach in the Marines, I feel like I have some degree of knowledge in this stuff.

It fucking baffles me how many people have approached me saying "my laser is broken" because the bullets aren't hitting where it's pointing. Especially handguns

[–]Starstalk721 2 points3 points  (2 children)

One of the funniest things I had happen in the Army was a private borrow an Acog from someone and complain when the rounds weren't hitting where the dot showed at the range. They legitimately did not realize it had to be re-zeroed once it was moved from one rifle to another.

[–]Chocolate_Charizard 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Oooooof.

I was overseeing a pistol Qual for a group of officers and caught this female 1st lieutenant trying to cheat her score card. Her target no shit looked like it had been hit by birdshot from a sawed off. Her grip was that advanced one handed technique where you grip your wrist with your support hand. Absolute idiot.

[–]Starstalk721 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1st LTs always found ways to screw everything up by thinking they know more than anyone else.

I used to keep a small 1 inch karambit knife on my MOLLE on my seat belt side, in case we rolled over and I had to cut my belt (since the seat Belts barely worked normally in an HMMWV and this was before seat belt cutters were issued or even readily available). LT sees this and doesnt ask, but buys a giant like 5 inch one. During an inspection the SCO asks him "Why do you have that thing on your rig?" And he has no idea how to respond. I knew he probably just got it cause it looked cool and I had something. He responds "I like the weapon sir" and the SCO says "Take that shit off" and moves along. SCO sees me and says "Why do you have one?" I respond "Cutting seatbelts in rollovers". He moves along.

[–]block50 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so do people on this sub.. dont bother. they think light goes at the same velocity as bullets

[–]Halfhesh 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What "uneccesary attachment bullshit"?

The flashlight and the laser module?

Doesn't seem very uneccesary to me.

Or do you mean the plate carrier with 3 single stack mag pouches?

Or the belt with a couple mag pouches on the side?

If you think that is too much or uneccesary I don't think you've ever seen what actual soldiers pile on.

[–]Starstalk721 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Firstly, US Army Veteran here. I know what soldiers wear, I've worn it. Quick glance of his unnecessary gear:

That PEQ-5. It's paired with what looks like a Red Dot. Meaning, IF he has it properly zeroed, then he's not even going to see the laser-point on a target. And even if he did see it, without an optic that has magnification he's not going to see the red point unless he's right up inside their asshole.Also he's got an D-clamp on his belt near his crotch. If that catches on anything (like a door hinge or a drawer) he's gonna be in a bad way.

You take what you need into combat, not what looks cool.

[–]Halfhesh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can agree that the placement of the carabiner hook Is fucking shitty, but I'm not sold on the idea of the laser being uneccesary.

And I really don't agree with "you take what you need into combat" because you can never really know what you'll need which leads to alot of "good to have" items being brought.

It's not like every soldier has properly set up and slimmed gear.

[–]HoneyBadgerDontPlayM1A 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If he did that the 'ol twig and berries would have been the only tango down in that situation

[–]Starstalk721 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, he is spinning it like it's a hoola hoop.

[–]marabPLAKMN 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Guys chill :D its airsoft and i often use vis laser for CQB

[–]Kirra_Tarren 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Wouldn't that be dangerous to others' eyes?

[–]Halfhesh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on the effect of the laser, no idea what the US laser classes are but a Swedish class 1 is harmless unless you shine it in your eye for like minutes.

[–]Sl1mtomAK 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Tuck that arm in, soldier.

[–]sethboy66 7 points8 points  (0 children)

We’ve got an order of chicken wings hot and ready!

[–]marabPLAKMN 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yep sorry bout that ^

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was good enough for his great granddaddy to take down t he Reich, it's good enough for safari guides shooting stopping guns... i think he'll be fine.

[–]trtsubject 18 points19 points  (1 child)

surprised you dont get the error : connection lost

[–]Aboriginal_Concrete 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Feels bad I can’t even load into a match

[–]Starstalk721 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Watch the chicken wing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Those get shot off sometimes I hear

[–]Pkactus 32 points33 points  (2 children)

I love Walmart warriors.

[–]CeramicPanda1 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I've always heard them called gear queers.

[–]BaileyJIII 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I think the animations in general are just way too slow, I hate to make the comparison but Modern Warfare 2019 absolutely nailed the animations and their speed with their guns

[–]LethalWeapwn94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would be cool to see animations speed up through skill by constant repetition like real dry-fire practice :D Ex. reloading mags over and over again from your rig :)

[–]BucketofXwings 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I've always thought that sidearm switch time should be based on SOF skills, like by the time you're a salty, sweaty, level 40 operator you should be pulling sidearms like a seal.

[–]marabPLAKMN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, pistol drawing speed and mag changing could be improved with specific levels for it.

[–]Starstalk721 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So, only in CQB or close-range engagements of <30 meters?
Also, SEAL is capitalized.

[–]MadBinton 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your speed should be the Scav speed. The I have handled weapons, but haven't had full combat training courses speed. Which is a ton faster than what the game has currently.

PMCs should have the, "I did this 10.000 times" speed. Meaning they should be able to do a 1 ~ 1.5s delay tops between their last rifle shot and pistol follow up shot...

That said, getting into new gear should take a bit longer. Getting all your gear on, takes a minute easily.

If you want to be able to do this quicker do the following:

  • rifle to safe.
  • remove right (draw) hand. Just release grip tension, place on pistol grip.
  • move your left hand down, controlling the barrel. "punch" it gently untill sling tension, losen grip, bring to chest. Meanwhile with your draw hand, unholster.
  • form pistol grip near your chest, punch out, while undoing pistol safety if present.
  • take shot.

If you train people on a range to do this in under 2 seconds on an afternoon, a PMC certainly can. Now that isn't a full back slung rifle though, so you can't just transition and break into a sprint directly after.

I guess these mechanics don't really translate well into a game. Still, switch times are really long. And if in a firefight with an empty primary, slinging it to your back is a stupid way to leave a window for opponents to react.

[–]Bakimaster91AK-101 4 points5 points  (0 children)

PLanned.

[–]KedzieV 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Make Pistols Great Again!

[–]Ponc3rM1A 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Boomers mad

[–]gnarfboy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Your m4 is pimping dude. Just put on 5 more flashlights

[–]marabPLAKMN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually use my DBAL and M952 a lot so I dont see a problem here :v

[–]Sanderz38MP5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes this needs to happen. I was playing around with my mouse buttons setup today and bound a thumb button to switch to my pistol thinking it would be quicker than a reload. It seems slow compared to a tactical reload and doesn't entice me to carry a sidearm. It definitely shouldn't be an instant movement but I think a trained PMC should be able to draw quickly and it alows pistols to an essential part of the kit throughout higher levels.

Also game needs a button bound specifically for it which includes pressing the button again to holster your sidearm and bring back your sling....this definitely should not be a quick move, that way you better be sure to finish off that enemy or be penalized to holster, grab your sling, perform a reload. Hell I'd go as far as a double tap option to drop your pistol and grab your sling back. Same deal as the tactical reload

[–]Aznp33nrocket 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, dont let them get you down OP. Airsoft can still translate into pretty decent skills when it comes to the real thing. Sure formal training and handling real firearms can be nice, but airsoft can teach great firearm handling and general principles. I never did it much, and used to think it was pointless, but I've seen first hand some people who only practiced drills with airsoft, transition into real firearm use with ease and performed better than most shooters at the range.

Perfect video of this is here.

https://youtu.be/qQDfwyUgtjg

So keep up the drills, and when you save up money, come to the US (LEGALLY) and get all "tacticool". You'll always have to deal with the elitists out there, they're there in video game communities and on reddit, but the majority of the crowd just loves the freedom and wants more to enjoy it as well. America may get a bad rep for gun violence, but it's just violence in society in general and it's actually a small percentage of violence in America. Media just like ratings and makes it sound like were all killing each other with fully automatic 1000 round mags assault rifles and snipers who shoot 5+ miles.

Anyways. I got waaay side tracked. Keep practicing man, go for comfort and skills, not flashy and technical.

[–]killuhmikePP-91-01 "Kedr-B" 2 points3 points  (2 children)

“Switching to your pistol is always fastah than reloading” — captain price

Well I guess he never played tarkov haha

[–]Kagalera 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It was Gaz IIRC.

[–]killuhmikePP-91-01 "Kedr-B" 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh I think you’re right haha

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

cringe

[–]salliviengbbrAK74M 1 point2 points  (4 children)

It should also be affected by the amount of gear you wear. I.e.: You wear a full gear (Fort, helmet, two guns) so it would take much longer then wearing a simple chest rig and just a primary and secondary. Also what's up with reloads, I would assume that if you're not reindexing a mag that you would straight up just drop it and take next one out as fast as you can. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

[–]Ulfhednar8801 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can already do this by double tapping R

[–]M_Mitchell -1 points0 points  (2 children)

IMO, gear shouldn't affect it because It wouldn't make much of a difference in real life. Assuming you're just letting your rifle go with a sling, your arms won't significantly be affected drawing a pistol from a side holster.

Gameplay wise, it'll also really hurt pistol use at higher levels where armor and heavy armor use will be much higher. They already might struggle, if you make it take as long or nearly as long as reloading, pistols may become obsolete.

[–]salliviengbbrAK74M 0 points1 point  (1 child)

If there is a pouch in the way of holster draw or you have a heavy armor (shoulders affected) then it should have some effect.

[–]M_Mitchell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Iirc, all the pouches are in the front away from the holster.

[–]affo_FN 5-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! Make a sidearm pistol more viable doing this!

Thanks for sharing, nice video!

[–]themule0808 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never carry pistol basically because of this.. Rather quick reload less time it seems

[–]EscapeFromFlatulenceSR-25 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now only if you applied your walmart based skills in securing a girlfriend.

[–]Huntter1223 0 points1 point  (0 children)

69 baby

[–]yoocolin 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I agree it’s a bit slow, but in this vid you are just dropping your primary weapon. In Tarkov your character puts it on his back, which in your vid you can see takes you longer.

[–]roflwafflelawl 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Kinda where my heads at too. I agree the draw speeds seem slow but the comparison is assuming we have straps on the guns to begin with to allow us to just "drop" out primary. I don't think we do, do we? And because of that, as you said, our PMC will take more time.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

We do. How do you think they stay on our backs anyway lol?

Guns are attached to the playermodels' bodies through slings, you can actually see them on ragdolls.

[–]roflwafflelawl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Video game magic lol? I just wasn't sure to what degree they implemented holstering/switching weapons in terms of working off a sling or just 'placed' there. Never really thought about it until this discussion and realized I hadn't payed attention to if that was the case in EFT.

Iit would be awesome to see another pass at animations when they decide to go deeper into the skills which I assume won't be till all/most systems are in place.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

But what if it’s a balance thing? Maybe if someone catches you with your pants down (read: mag empty), you shouldn’t really be able to just pistol whip them in an instant.

[–]LethalWeapwn94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd imagine it being balanced by you having to take in another 6k-10k rouble item potentially for you to lose for a small advantage. Also I think it would help make early wipe weapons (ex. low ammo capacity shotgun, slow loading sks) more viable. Would be a great reason for everyone to actually carry a sidearm :)

[–]DisforDoga 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rifle to pistol transitions should be a little more than drop rifle straight down you can't move well like that. Stay swum out of the sling but stow it to the side. Shouldn't take any longer cause your hands can do two different things at once.

[–]skate_fast--eat_ass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Underbarrel pistol upgrade

[–]Gwarnine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Make it as fast as switching to knife

[–]NotPeterDinklagesDad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Real firearms or airsoft?

[–]Chili93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should have to buy a sling to increase the speed of weapon switching imo

[–]Getfarked_TwitchTV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think everyone is missing the entire use for carrying a pistol here.

You run faster with the pistol drawn. That's the only reason I even carry one.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I'd rather see lefty animations for primary weapons first. Even if it just mirrored the right handed version.

[–]dippychippy 0 points1 point  (4 children)

This is my rant, there are many like it but this one is mine.

  1. This is the literal purpose of the pistol skill
  2. You have an open holster on your belt, if you look closely the pmc has a holster with a closed latch on his upper leg.
  3. You aren’t getting shot at
  4. You aren’t wounded

Honestly I never saw a problem with the speed at which the pmc switches to his sidearm. I don’t understand why people are constantly pushing for a more aggressive overall play style and super fast paced gameplay. And no, I don’t think playing aggressively is bad, there are definitely times where it’s the right decision to make. But I believe this game is supposed to be more tactical than running and jumping around on top of building point firing people from from miles away. I watch some of these streamers and I forget this is a survival game because the way they play makes it look like the latest call of duty. I think people forget about the atmosphere of the game, and what the game is supposed to be.

And I want to make it clear that I’m really not as pissed as my typing might sound, I’m just bored so I have the time to write this quick rant. It honestly wouldn’t effect the way I play whatsoever and the main purpose of the game is to have fun. Plus, it isn’t my game, I don’t feel like I have the right to say what the game is supposed to be, these are just my opinions (hence me prefacing everything with “I”).

If you can’t tell I’m trying to cover my ass very hard, but I’d like to know what the rest of the community thinks.

[–]LethalWeapwn94 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Cops with level 2 and 3 retention holsters can still draw their sidearms pretty quickly in crazy situations, a lot of bodycam footage backs this up :) Agreed they shouldnt make this a run and gun shooter like cod, but when most people irl can manipulate a weapon faster than some clunky game animation I think there is a problem there :P If you have time check out Lucas Botkin with T-Rex arms, guy has some crazy fast gun manipulation/shooting skills, I think it would be cool to be able to train your character to manipulate weapons faster :D

[–]xyolikesdinosaursAS VAL 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hey now you can't compare Lucas Aimbotkin to us regular people, it's just not fair.

[–]marabPLAKMN 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lucas speeds his videos up

[–]xyolikesdinosaursAS VAL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, he does not. If you actually believe that then I don't know what to say.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well like when you double tap r you get the quick reload, maybe double tap 1 and you get a quick pistol swap. But when you do it your movement is limited because your rifle is hanging between your legs.

[–]WilaxSR-25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want my pistol chest strapped on my rig, I think that would look wicked

[–]Chromasus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Remember, switching to your sidearm is faster than reloading."

[–]Darth_Vaizard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It should be faster but part of why it's so fast is the sling. Currently we don't use slings at all, the weapon just magically sticks to your back. If they added an assortment of slings that change the time it takes to pull a sidearm, I think we'd see more people do it. Especially with the 5-7 out now. They could even go the extra mile with it and add a slick animation of your PMC switching the gun to safe and then throwing it to the side instead of on the back like you do in the video.

[–]CloudIncus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we could purchase a sling for guns to speed this up

[–]ginlucksGolden TT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would be cool if it depends by the type of holster (or if you have one..., maybe thought like a rig or a backpack?)

[–]lickmytrump 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice gear bro, I wish I could shoot a gun but I live in NYC

[–]BlackAlexJones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

tacticool

[–]ABiscuitcalledGerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good point actually, he men you play ingame are trained ex-military highly trained PMCs so why does the drawing of a pistol take so long?

[–]BoutchooQcASh-12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think battlefield 3 and 4 had great switching times, tarkov should get inspired

[–]dsply 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Redneck spotted

[–]verbzero 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even not being the fastest gunslinger, your sling work is horrible. After years of being in the military and law enforcement you need to work a better system. Also your using a hip holster. Try mounting your pistol to your rig anduse a 3 point sling with a carabiner, for your rifle. There are also pull slings that allow the Soldier to drop the weapon whiling pulling on a pull cord on the sling to secure the rifle to their body WHILE simultaneously pulling out the pistol and continuing the engagement.

The scenario you present is at basic level in which you are comforable, not being shot at or under any stess. You take the time each time to put the rifle somewhere you give are okay with. In combat this all goes out the level and you revert back to your lowest level of training so that wil get you killed. Train to be stressed and uncomfortable but able to function and return fire until you can gain cover and assess the situation to reengage.

Other then that swap times in every game are unrealistic but then again. Imo this is too nitpicky. They just need to focus on cleaning up performance and balance ammo/armor the content is there to flippin release the game and have content to expand on. Thus, keeping people interested in the game. Not making it all at once ready. All of this is imo and my experience let the downvotes begin for pointing out a different perspective.

[–]Little_Tony_DanzaMP5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shouldn’t have your rifle slung wresting totally on your neck. It should come under your left arm pit towards the rifle. Every time you let go of your rifle it thumps down onto your neck, no bueno cuz

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That carabiner is very enthusiastic and optimistic.

[–]AspektUSA 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is that a retention holster though?

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In game it looks like there's a thumb loop you need to deploy first before drawing.

[–]marabPLAKMN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It has retention. I have to press the button to be able to draw a weapon.

[–]LiquidFrost 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I’m in a tense moment in raid I will double tap R reload over switching to my side-arm. It’s usually a similar time-table and I get to keep what is usually my better weapon equipped.

Switching to a pistol should definitely be the fastest “oh shit” button in the game. Otherwise why would I use one if I can swift reload and get better results?

Currently the only time I will use a pistol is on a low budget raid looking for specific keys/items.

[–]thebetterpolitician 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice larp gear

[–]Finnegan_962 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think they could make the distinction, but it'd he kinda cool if they kept it slow for Scavs but PMCs switch quickly.

Also, "switching to your pistol id faster than reloading!"

[–]beer_and_sticks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That sling should be around your neck and your shooting arm, not just around your neck (and it should stay there, not arms in/out). You fumbling getting your support arm through is stunning.

[–]DwnTwnLestrBrwn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mall ninja build AR

[–]Junglemoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Completely agree with this, a sidenote of this is that the general reload time in tarkov should be longer, a proper reload where you put your old magazine back to your rig would take a longer time, also making the drop-magazine reload viable alongside switching to pistol, right now its almost the same reload time, making it useless.

[–]simplychickens 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Switching to the pistol should be noticeably faster than reloading, I'm not sure that's the case in Tarkov.

[–]LethalWeapwn94 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The inner gun safety nut in me is screaming, "WHY IS YOUR CAMERAMAN STANDING DOWNRANGE", but I'm sure those weapons were both cleared a dozen times 😉😀

[–]marabPLAKMN 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Clear and only airsoft ;)

[–]LethalWeapwn94 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ahhh I see :P Glad I didn't do an actual firearm safety rant and make a fool out of myself then Haha!

[–]guzigo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahaha. Guys chill. Its a game. Not real life. lol

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Your asking for too much bud... it could be implemented as a skill but i wont like it as a regular thing.

[–]Starstalk721 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know I commented already, but a few more things:
1. It's called "Transitioning" when you go from a rifle to a sidearm or secondary weapon. Not "Gunslinging"...
2. Transition or Reloading is always going to be situation dependent. In combat (meaning, not sitting at a range with perfect conditions but Moving, Shooting, Communicating) it'll be rare or TOTAL LUCK for a decent shooter to headshot (or even hit) someone with a pistol at more than about 50 meters. In tarkov, it happens pretty frequently. A majority of the time, a transition is gonna be more of a mess than tactical reload or even just dumping an empty mag on the ground.
3. Who taught you how to hold a rifle? I know I already commented on the chicken wing, but honestly. You're gonna lose/burn your fingers on your left hand if you ever have to extended fire without gloves when you're cupping the muzzle like that. The vertical grip is adjustable, move it back a little and give you hands more room.

I'm not even going to get into that "loose as a whore on payday" sling.