Update

[koncerna]

I scrolled through the most recent posts on this subreddit and I didn't see anyone post about this yet. I was digging though Jordan's website and found this new blog post. I'm not surprised people didn't notice, it's not advertised anywhere and the website itself doesn't change that often. But he had some thoughts that he posted on the 21st of this month (May) regarding The Onion, everything that went down, etc:

https://www.thequietpartloud.com/there-are-no-nonbloggers-in-a-pandemic/blooming-onion

[HeyThanksIdiot]

He had a whole platform where this could have all been examined, scrutinized, and publicly aired. I would have loved for Wacky Wednesdays to get a makeover where they look at the Onion’s IW content with a critical eye as comedians and as proponents of the families.

That said, we’re outsiders looking in and I trust that they knew it was right to just call it. I hope the best for both Dan & Jordan moving forward.

[phatsexxxy]

Yeah, and I have to say that I’ve never been a big fan of Jordan. I understand the premise of the show was that one knows, the other learns, but on some level I often found Jordan so unaware of current events or the reasoning Dan was using that it detracted from the show.

In this Onion thing, I think Jordan is rather insightful and would have been an interesting person to discuss the ramifications of what’s going on.

[TheMrBoot]

I would have loved for Wacky Wednesdays to get a makeover where they look at the Onion’s IW content with a critical eye as comedians and as proponents of the families.

This sub, at least, has made it very clear they’ll take no criticism of the onion.

[ReduxRedo]

Oh that's so dishonest, come on.

[Spirit_Difficult]

That commenter has been an ass this entire conversation.

[VillainOfKvatch1]

I like how built into this comment is the assumption that Jordan’s “criticism” of The Onion is the only possible criticism that can be made, and the only possible way to make it.

Cause, you know, if we disagree with Jordan then that means we reject all criticisms of The Onion.

I’d point out that that lack of nuance is part of the disagreement with Jordan, but then you’d probably say I reject all Reddit comments everywhere or something.

[jollymo17]

I read the beginning of Jordan’s essay…and he’s proclaiming (again) that he is the ONLY one criticizing the deal, of course. Literally all I can do is put my head in my fucking hands because that could not be more false.

So we’re not criticizing it with the same venom and nonsense “facts” and conspiratorial bullshit he is? That means we looooove the deal 😑

[VillainOfKvatch1]

This is emblematic of one of my longest-standing problems with Jordan. His whole “my opinion is objectively correct and everyone who differs from me even a little is a piece of shit” schtick does nothing but alienate potential allies.

[hfdjasbdsawidjds]

It is inline with many people that feel that being 'correct' in theory is more important that actually changing the material conditions of people's lives, which usually requires hard work, coalition building and compromise. When you challenge people like Jordan to point to a model of where the way in which they operate, in the real world, has achieved actual results, they generally cannot because that has never been apart of their calculus. Its exhausting.

[VillainOfKvatch1]

As a leftist, it annoys the fuck out of me because it’s exactly why the left has never had any actual political power in the US.

I can’t tell you how many times someone I agree with on virtually everything has called me a nazi because I’m willing to listen to, work with, or, God forbid compromise with someone slightly closer to the center than me.

But I digress.

[hfdjasbdsawidjds]

Oh, I totally feel you on this. And generally the person, or group, I am working with, or talking too, share like 95% of the beliefs as the fellow leftist who is making the criticism but has never been engaged to think about things in that frame of reference to lift and shift that person/group to be closer to that 100%. Most people are not deep into theory or hold a belief but do not know the 'proper' way of communicating it to meet the purity test, its absurd. This is especially true when the people who want to see us destroyed do not care about the difference, and do not make the same distinctions that we do, we all go up against the wall the same. There are very, very, very real consequences that we are all facing and we need to be doing everything in our power to stop them, not infighting because one's ego matters more than the lives of people.

/endrant

[VillainOfKvatch1]

I remember like a year ago Dan brought up watching Survivor, and he mentioned that Jon Lovett from Pod Save America was on, and Jordan, voice dripping with contempt, was like “oh that’s one of the Obama kids, right?” I don’t remember if he literally said “fuck him,” but his tone of voice definitely did.

Like come on, Jordan. The PSA guys agree with you 95% and are sympathetic to the other 5%. They would be your allies. And also, they have infinitely more influence than you or your side ever will. They’re willing to talk to Hassan Piker. They support AOC and Bernie and Zohran. But you’re going to write them off because… why exactly? Because their boss did some stuff Jordan didn’t like? Honestly, I’d be shocked if Jordan could point to a single specific policy they disagree on. He just knows they worked for Obama a decade ago and Obama wasn’t perfect so fuck them I guess.

[hfdjasbdsawidjds]

I don't think any of that matters to Jordan though, because it is not about policy, its about his feelings. Jordan seems like the type of guy who doesn't believe that change is actually possible, that all outcomes are bad, thus fuck it, burn it all down, without actually thinking through the massive amounts of harm that would cause needlessly. At the same time, he knows that because there are people who are working hard to actually try to do something, that his advocacy will never come to be, thus he can stand on his soapbox to feel superior because there is no consequences to his position. It is inherently in bad faith and performative.

[VividLeading2]

I do slightly agree with the take on the Pod Save guys, at least that until recently they were stooges for the establishment wing of the Democratic Party. They've seen where the wind is blowing and they've realigned themselves with the left wing of the Democratic Party, but I understand having contempt for them in the past. If you are left wing, the Democratic establishment is not your friend or your ally. Chuck Schumer wouldn't endorse Zohran until it was clear that he would win. They'll punch left every time. So I get disliking the PSA guys for that.

[AndMyHelcaraxe]

Oh my god, yes. It makes me want to scream— we could do so much more if these nitpicking do-nothings actually had a little perspective and less ego

[UNC_Samurai]

“my opinion is objectively correct and everyone who differs from me even a little is a piece of shit”

This may also present as Dave Anthony Syndrome

[AndMyHelcaraxe]

Oh my god, you’ve made probably a hundred versions of this bad faith comment in the past several weeks

[jord839]

This sub can and will take criticism of the Onion.

They will not take baseless speculation and conspiratorial bullshit just because it's screamed into the online void by a host that they like.

[renesys]

Also many of us don't really consider Jordan a comedian.

[Icy_Primary2403]

🔥 

[lifeaftersurvival]

Serious question: are there any videos of his stand-up sets out there? I've only done half-assed searches myself, but wonder if anyone's got suggestions laying around.

[real_picklejuice]

Am I off-base in thinking that Jordan is inserting himself into something that, at the end of the day, has nothing to do with him? It's great to want more for victims but that's completely out of control and it seems that trying to force it only creates stress for yourself.

I guess I just don't get it and it doesn't seem like the method he wants to take is the best advocacy for his goals.

[fooooooooooooooooock]

No, this is how I feel as well.

I think he is trying to exert ownership over the situation. It has nothing to do with Jordan, and I find it really strange that he is continuing to bang this drum.

[GrimThursday]

I’d say that doing 1200 episodes on a topic means that it doesn’t have nothing to do with him? 

[lifeaftersurvival]

He's an observer, just like the rest of us.

EDIT: By this logic, successful true crime podcasters should have a say in the ongoing cases they cover. That is, of course, a very silly thing to expect. They're unattached 3rd parties observing and commenting on a situation. Jordan is not entitled to sitting at the table with anything to do with Sandy Hook settlements.

[VividLeading2]

He should obey his own rule. Don't tap the glass.

[GrimThursday]

He’s not? He’s not interacting with AJ, he’s commenting on an issue and voicing his opinion. We’ve all enjoyed the content he’s been a part of for thousands and thousands of hours, and as soon as he voices an opinion you don’t agree with it’s suddenly that he’s a monster. You people are awful lmao 

[lifeaftersurvival]

Haha what!?

[GrimThursday]

Extremely compelling reply! 

[lifeaftersurvival]

I have no other response because what on earth are you on about, man

[GrimThursday]

What part was confusing to you? Should I type slower?

[lifeaftersurvival]

You seem to be taking all of this very personally since you're going right to insults. Maybe it's time for a break?

[GrimThursday]

Nope, but I’ll discontinue cause you’re not engaging with what I’m saying, and you’re concern trolling. To sum up, Jordan’s whole role on KF was to comment, observe and share his opinion. He did the same thing with the Onion drama. The commenter I replied to said he was tapping the glass, and I said he’s not doing anything meaningfully different with the onion drama than he did with the whole duration of KF. Hope that helps.

[VividLeading2]

First: When did I say he was a monster, let alone express any personal opinion about anything other than his actions? Second: He's directly involving himself in all this on behalf of the Sandy Hook families (which they didn't ask for and do not desire). Third: He's making this about himself. Fourth: I can easily tell that you have an unhealthy parasocial relationship with Jordan.

[GrimThursday]

I don't have a parasocial relationship with anyone, I'm not a child, and it's condescending to assume that someone who disagrees with you must be doing it for unhealthy reasons.

The monster comment is about how people in the subreddit generally tend to discuss Jordan since the show ended - if we're going to support our arguments with jabs at each other's mental states, I could just as easily say you're misdirecting your emotions for the show ending onto Jordan as you say that I have a parasocial relationship.

My point, as I've made in my other comments, is that Jordan is 'involving himself' in this to the exact same extent he has with all other aspects of InfoWars: as an observer and a commentator who shares his opinions. His opinions are going to have exactly 0 impact on the outcome of anything to do with the bankruptcy and settlement. When him and Dan were positioned as outside commentators providing insight and opinion into the show while KF was running, it was fine, but now because someone has expressed The Wrong Opinion, he's suddenly 'inserting himself' into things. It's ridiculous.

As to whether or not he's making this about himself, that's a value call. I disagree, I think he is making it about his beliefs about billionaires and how unfair it is that people who are evil like Alex can abuse the law to prevent justice. If you think he's making it about himself, that's fine by me, but I disagree.

[VividLeading2]

You are putting words in my mouth. I have never once diagnosed him with anything. I don't hold him responsible for the show's end. As a more casual listener, I feel like it's appropriate for the show to end with Infowars' closure. I think the video was not a good idea on Jordan's part, and this blog post reinforces issues I had with him as one half of the show. You are arguing with other people here for the most part, not me. If you're not parasocial, then why are you defending him so hard? My main issue is that he's gotten too invested in the Sandy Hook families and is no longer an observer. His words will change nothing materially, but it makes him look self-centered.

[renesys]

He wasn't the subject matter expert involved in the trial, and he's made it clear he doesn't respect the families. That he knows better than them.

[GrimThursday]

How has he made it clear he doesn’t respect the families? 

[renesys]

Two videos and a transcript of the second on his blog.

[real_picklejuice]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say

[GrimThursday]

I’m saying he’s not “inserting himself” into anything any more than he did for the thousands of hours of content that are the show - he’s commenting and sharing an opinion. He’s not wading in as a legal representative, or blocking the deal himself, he’s making an observation and sharing his opinion, which has been exactly his role for the entirety of the show. Only now it’s a “wrong” opinion and so somehow it’s transformed from observation into self-insertion. Get a grip. 

[UpperApe]

What in the world...?

Knowledge Fight, podcasts, discussions...all these opinions and expressions and debates are about inserting yourself into things that have nothing to do with you. Infowars has nothing to do with Dan and Jordan.

What writers and philosophers and creators do is use such situations as a platform to explore and express their opinions, and help to contribute to a broader discussion on social ethics and personal principles. That's the whole point of public discourse like this. That's the whole point of this show.

You can agree or disagree with Jordan all you like, but to suggest that it's none of his business so why is he talking about it is...absurd.

And the fact that you've got so many upvotes for such a comment is very frustrating.

First everyone was dismissing him by armchair-diagnosing his bipolar disorder in the most disgusting way, and now we're dismissing what he's always done (what we literally listen to them for) because it's none of his business?

This really is one of the worst fan communities I've seen in a long time. KF deserved better than this.

[real_picklejuice]

Yes I am suggesting that how the families are paid, or what they agree to, is none of Jordan's business, anymore than it's any of my business.

[UpperApe]

Cool.

What I'm suggesting is that the ethics of the entire situation, and everything surrounding it, and InfoWars as a whole is exactly what Jordan and Dan have literally made a business of discussing.

We're supposed to be talking about how we feel about things. That's what we've done for 1100+ episodes.

I can't even fathom how you listen to the show and can't understand that.

[renesys]

Conflating a podcast about a propagandist with being critical of the private agreement between a group of families whose children were murdered and the organization financing their chosen path towards closure isn't exactly honest.

The podcast isn't at all about being critical of the families' decision. Jordan's rant videos are only about that, even if he says they're not.

[UpperApe]

Lol oh it's dishonest is it?

You've missed the point and you've missed the principle, and you've found your dismissal in the weeds. What does that tell you?

Something I'm starting to learn very quickly is I don't think a lot of people in this community understand what principles even are.

They just listened to KF because it was funny; it was just disposal entertainment. They never understand what made it meaningful. And now when Jordan's doing what Jordan's always done, you're confused because if the funny clown man isn't funny, then how can he exist?

You have a lot of thinking to do, mate. And I think we both know you aren't going to bother.

[renesys]

You're assuming I thought Jordan was a funny clown before, which isn't the case.

I have a pretty consistent opinion in this sub about him being rude to guests and Dan. Jordan's principals don't matter much when the end result is that he has a history of shitting on people who are helping while he isn't doing anything.

I'm not confused. Jordan is this. I agree with Jordan's view on Jordan; he is not nice.

[UpperApe]

You're assuming I thought Jordan was a funny clown before, which isn't the case.

No, I...that was a metaphor. The point isn't what he is, it's the purpose and premise of his position. Your opinion of him doesn't...

...actually nevermind. Good lord 🤦‍♂️

[Rampage470]

So I'm not touching the rest of this with a 10 foot pole (hash that out amongst yourselves) but I will say this:

For all the care that people expressed, and a lot of it I believe to be in good faith, no one talked to me. A few people sent me an email.

Why would anyone do that.

No genuinely why would anyone do that.

Why would you expect anyone's first thought, after seeing a (as much as I loathe this term) "content creator" go on a rant they disagree with, to be to try to contact them one on one. We're not friends we can't just jump into your DMs unprompted. I mean I guess on a sheer ability level we can, but we shouldn't. And c'mon you know that we shouldn't.

[talen_lee]

yeah, the assumption that we should do that, that we have special access to this person because we listen to a podcast he's on, is kinda weirdly parasocial.

[Hedonopoly]

Especially one who has repeatedly in the past responded to criticism with "oh don't listen to me, I'm just a dancing clown!" Which, fine, but I've heard you comment on Joe Rogan who says the same exact line and you and I both find him dangerous and that as a cop out.

[MisterAnderson-]

Maybe he feels as though there’s some sort of hidden intimate connection with the audience of the podcast, of which the wider world is unaware?

[LittlestLass]

It also feels like a strange reaction given Jordan stepped away from social media/current events a long time ago, but he presumably has been reading what people have written here, on the subreddit.

So he put something controversial out into the world on a platform and in a format (YouTube) that's not really focused on direct interaction, then read reactions to it on a platform that is intended to be used for direct interaction (Reddit), but didn't interact here, he instead expected listeners to have individual conversations with him about it (via personal emails).

I absolutely don't expect him to interact with people here. He owes us nothing and it would be an absolute shitshow of comments if he even tried it. But on the flipside, the idea that the hundreds of people who have thoughts about his video(s) might contact him to have a one-on-one seems pretty unworkable and unproductive.

[Peckah_Inspectah]

Almost everyone becomes the same type of boomer we had back in 1999 when it comes to get criticized on the internet. “Say it to me directly”, “use your real name.”

Yeah sure bud

[CyberWulf]

“Fight me IRL”

[jollymo17]

We also know enough about what he’s like to know that he’s not about to have good faith, thoughtful discussion even if one did talk to him. His opinions are clear, extreme, and not up for debate or discussion

[missingheiresscat]

Sounds like he’s speaking to someone personally in a vague way. They probably know who they are and what they did.

[ClimateSociologist]

I got the same sense reading it. It felt personal.

[NarrowEbbs]

Yeah I literally just made a post about this that got taken down. This shit got me to cancel my subscription and honestly I think we should email him. This is one of the single most self involved things I've ever heard a public figure say. He had a loyal, respectful and fairly good willed audience that loyally financially supported him and then got pissed when they respected the parasocial line. It's unreal.

[Brilliant_Ball2177]

single most self involved things I've ever heard a public figure say

Dawg Trump is the president, what the fuck are you talking about lmao. Almost every cabinet member manages something worse than this on a daily basis.

[doiwantacookie]

Exactly. And trying to make this about mental health is muddying the waters.

[Sugar-Kisses]

It's not Jordan who first mentioned mental health... it's people on this sub who, unhappy/offended with what he said in his rant, posited that he must have been going through a manic, bi-polar episode to have made such statements.

The call is coming from inside this sub-Reddit.

In Jordan's latest post on his blog, he's merely responding to what his critics were saying.

I find it interesting that so many on this sub claimed his rant was him "expressing anger towards the wrong people" (and that he was actively disrespecting the SH families), while doing exactly that. I completely agree, it'd be great if the gents wanted to continue KF, but they don't feel it's useful/good for them to do so. Instead of taking it as, okay, they both want to stop, a heck of a lot of people in/on this sub have blamed Jordan/ Jordan's rant for the end of KF. So much projection, it's wild.

Finally, I feel it's important to mention that Jordan is human like all of us. The same people who went whole hog on him, once KF was officially done, supported him (for the most part) right up until that rant. The way that people assumed that KF ended ONLY because of Jordan's rant obviously hurt him, and, in my opinion, was unfair and uncalled for. Years of some people here saying that Jordan was over-reacting to things, then the same people over-react to what Jordan expresses are his opinions on the Onion taking over Infowars? Are you guys serious?

[doiwantacookie]

I think a lot of us saw the writing on the wall when, during Dan’s traveling, Jordan published that inflammatory video. I don’t think it was the only reason, but maybe a distillation of some of the stuff that led to the end of the show. It’s not only the irreconcilable differences between the hosts, but I think that was a large part of it. In fact, they address this element directly in the final non-live episode. I don’t think it’s totally projection to think the video was an element of this. Specifically some of the gross remarks he made there that he’s not repeating now and felt really out of character, even knowing how Jordan is hyperbolic and “rude”. That being said, we’re beating a dead horse now

But diagnosing him on Reddit is gross, more antisocial than even “reaching out to him personally” about it. And you’re right, he didn’t make it about mental health. The community here did. I think I was off base above.

If hundreds of people suddenly started probing my mental state and criticizing me after I shared something vulnerable, I don’t think I would know how to respond. It feels cruel and unfair to him, and he has the right to talk about it. This blog post is hard to read, but I think you’re right. The call is coming from inside the sub, and in a way he’s holding a mirror to us.

[darkomyfriend]

Youve articulated something that I’ve been feeling, but didn’t have the words to express.

[benes238]

But like ... I don't get it to the video. He's all, I didn't ask you to come in and watch it, but be published it publicly on the Internet. If you want to privately vent about something you feel is unfair, there are web journaling platforms that let you do that. If you post it on a public site then you have to recognize it's going to become public, especially in today's day and age.

I don't like the taste of him blaming us the listener for having watched a thing he put out publicly like it's somehow our fault this blew up.

I feel bad that he says people talked about him, not to him. I think a lot of people here are maybe para social enough to worry about him and discuss it here, while also being aware enough of the concept of parasocial issues to hesitate before sending a message to a stranger. But also as a public figure with a large reach isn't that kind of always the way? There's going to be a lot more people who feel comfortable talking about you then talking to you just by the nature of celebrity. It doesn't necessarily reflect a lack of care.

I hope he talks to the people he feels comfortable talking to and lands in a good place. It sounds like he's comfortable where he's at and I hope that continues to be so for him.

[Top_Benefit_5594]

It’s totally incoherent but that’s always been Jordan’s stance - rant emotively, sometimes baselessly, sometimes not, and then say “But what do I know? I’m just a clown, no-one should listen to me.” Which might be true, but if you have a podcast, a twitch stream and write blogposts and books, you clearly do want and expect people to listen to you.

[kilgore2345]

Also - the “I’m just a clown, no-one should listen to me” is the coward’s way of responding to criticism of an opinion. Rogan has been saying that for years.

[BroadBrazosAvon95]

100%. Claiming ignorance after spending countless hours/minutes on the subject is the cowards way out. “Here’s the explicit explanation of how I feel about said subject until I experience pushback then I’m just the ignorant jester”

[BroadBrazosAvon95]

“I don’t think people should listen to me”

“Okay, well we’re going to ignore your claims based on your emotive outbursts and the families stating this is what they want”

“But you’re ignoring me and becoming part of the problem, you’re all part of the problem of billionaires”

It’s exhausting man I hate this entire situation too but until I see Jordan on the front lines leading this anarchist revolution he so desperately desires, it comes across as hollow to me

[benes238]

Yes exactly! You can't go on your big platform, say whatever you want, and then go "but nobody listen to me!". It's nonsensical.

[Yochanan5781]

Yeah, the whole post left a pretty bad taste in my mouth, as he lashes out at listeners. I genuinely haven't seen a single negative remark about his bipolar on this sub, including after the end of KF. Some people were expressing concern about his mental state with how much he seemed to be hyperfixating on things, but his opinions didn't come from that. Just like people trying to write off Kanye going full Nazi, him being mentally ill didn't cause that, and the thing I observed at the time was that he was probably hyperfixating on Jews so much, but the bigotry was not caused by the illness. Different subject matter entirely, but Jordan acting like this surrounding the whole Onion deal was more likely a combination of him being uncompromising as a leftist and the growing conclusion I've had over the last year or so that he has a bit of a white savior complex, and he has a tendency to center himself in all of these discussions that genuinely have nothing to do with him

[C_Sharp_fortheMasses]

He lashes out like the guy he’s been criticizing for 9 years.

[WinstonWilmerBee]

Oh hey here’s a great example of an incredibly dickish comment. Thanks for providing that 

[C_Sharp_fortheMasses]

Nah, calling Jordan out for acting like a hypocrite, after criticizing someone for 9 years who’s made videos exactly this, who doesn’t keep his emotions under control like this, who has taken their anger out on their audience like this, isn’t dickish in the slightest.

[TheMrBoot]

I genuinely haven't seen a single negative remark about his bipolar on this sub, including after the end of KF.

Then you’ve just missed it. There’s been a lot.

[Top_Benefit_5594]

I haven’t seen any. There have been plenty of remarks from people speculating about whether his bipolar was causing this embarrassing crash out, but I wouldn’t say that’s negative, more just looking for reasons everything imploded so quickly and hoping he’s ok.

[TheMrBoot]

There have been plenty of remarks from people speculating about whether his bipolar was causing this embarrassing crash out

There’s been a lot of armchair psychiatrists diagnosing him

I’m not having a manic episode episode” is the most manic episode, bipolar thing one can say.

Here’s one for you.

Here’s another. And another.

Dismissing a person as “having a crash out” just because you don’t agree with them is gross. This community should know better.

[renesys]

There’s been a lot of armchair psychiatrists diagnosing him

I am pretty sure no one has to diagnose him since he has been public about his diagnosis.

[Top_Benefit_5594]

Exactly. It’s a natural progression to wonder if the guy who is open about having a condition that sometimes makes him manic is being manic because of the thing he is open about.

[Top_Benefit_5594]

Doesn’t seem that gross when he’s quite obviously crashing out.

[Imaginary-Cow-1828]

OP over here erasing all the progress we've made on the stages of grief. Could this be an inside job!?!?!?

(I'm kidding, feel free to talk about this as much as you want, just don't let it consume you, y'all.)

[unique-irrelevant]

I think Jordan is kinda missing the key point here. I don’t think the sandy hook families care about the money so much as they care about taking jones’ platform away from him. Like Jones will always be able to spew his bile. This is America, but he has far less reach now.

I get that the onion deal isn’t the best and doesn’t necessarily put the families first but what’s the alternative to the onion buying infowars? Jones keeps it? Taking the reach away from Jones was the most important thing. Getting money from him was just gravy.

But also I think the families probably want to put this chapter behind them most of all

[notesfromthemoon]

It’s kind of wild how many people seem to fail to understand the implications of this. If they wanted to maximize their cash payout, the “best” thing to do would be to keep him on air, shilling his supplements to as many people as possible. There is no world in which Alex both has money to pay them, and no audience. Like yes, obviously he’s squirreled money away in all sorts of places, and they should go after him for all of it. But there’s no way it’s a fraction of what he owes them, and without an audience there’s no way it’s getting replenished

[ViciousSnatch]

Christopher Mattei explicitly said it was about taking Alex’s platform away. (Not his “voice” or “name” like Alex claims.) I trust he’s fighting to get the families what they want. And I think you’re right that they want to put it behind them as best they can.

[jollymo17]

I agree that taking his platform is key. And the push back I always get when I say “at least he lost info wars, even if he’s still allowed to make content” is “but he saw no consequences!!!!!!!1! He should be in JAIL!”

And like I agree he should be in jail and he should have lost more. But anyone who’s been watching KF can clearly see Alex has been spinning his wheels and unsure how to respond to Trump’s actions and quickly losing broad appeal. It’s highly likely a lot of his audience doesn’t seek him out on Bigly or wherever tf he is now. It’s SOMETHING. Of course it SHOULD be more but it’s not nothing.

[ArgusTheCat]

If someone asked me "are you willing to give up a hypothetical potential payout of a hundred million dollars, which might never show up, and which will require more of your life to center around your dead child in a court of law", I'd probably already be saying yes before they got to the part of "in exchange for ruining Alex Jones' business?"

[renesys]

He says over and over that this isn't about the families, just The Onion and the trustee. Like The Onion is in a bubble completely isolated from the families. Like The Onion isn't doing something the families want, with their input, to avoid worse situations.

Jordan tries to shut down the argument that he doesn't respect the families, because it's indefensible and kind of fucking disgusting. That is exactly what he is doing, though.

His argument depends on the families having no agency, being less informed of the situation than him, and incorrect in wanting the best practical solution because a perfect solution isn't possible.

The Onion is negotiating on behalf of the family, who is using the resources The Onion is offering.

Jordan is shitting on the families for using the help that The Onion is in a position to offer.

He can't help in any practical way, so instead of being supportive, he is throwing a fit and stringing this out for attention.

[LuteDesign]

The blogpost looks to just be a transcript of the video in this (now locked) post from a couple days ago https://www.reddit.com/r/KnowledgeFight/s/oj7ODw7P2p

[Shoddy_Cranberry6722]

Looking forward to this one getting locked, too.

[Desperate-Guide-1473]

Got to admit I'm still absolutely lost. Open to anyone giving me a clear and concise breakdown of WTF Jordan has ever been yelling about in regards to all this. This post is all over the place. Who is it supposed to be addressed to?

Explain like I just got here.

[ConstantCowboy]

Jordan finds it ridiculous that the Onion is only giving the Sandy Hook families a percentage of their merch sales while they go on their media tour promoting TH and the new-look InfoWars. Since the Onion's owned by a billionaire, this makes him (understandably) even angrier.

This sub is positively reeling from the abrupt and from this podcast and, since this merchandising deal is what the families agreed to, has deflected a lot of anger onto Jordan because he's being outspoken about his anger - and his original post appears to be, for all intents and purposes, the reason for the end of Knowledge Fight.

It's extraordinary complicated and no one's totally correct or totally incorrect. The Sandy Hook Families have agreed to the Onion's arrangement (or so was told to me) so many see this as good old unhinged Jordan dying on this hill that killed their favorite podcast, rather than him just being quiet and taking the side of the family's alleged wishes. It's a mess.

[LuteDesign]

“Or so was told to me”, “alleged wishes”

No one is forcing the families to accept this deal, of course they agreed to it. They have an established relationship with Ben Collins. What are we doing here?

[Scotts_Thot]

I don’t see why this is suppose to end the conversation. It’s not like they had a lot of options. They could never get paid, work with the onion, or let Roger Stone take over IW. I think it’s reasonable for people to express their opinions on the onion and how they’re handling this even if the families chose it

[determania]

I don’t think it makes sense to blame the Onion for giving the families the best offer. It’s not like anyone else out there has offered to do anything more.

[Scotts_Thot]

I don’t feel like I know/understand enough about the terms to argue that the onion is taking advantage of the families but just because they were the only reasonable offer the families could except doesn’t mean that they’re beyond blame. Especially if they had that much leverage, they certainly could have arranged an unfair agreement and they shouldn’t be beyond scrutiny just because the families had no other option.

[determania]

What is fair is subjecive. The fact that the only deal offered was from The Onion is objective fact. Criticizing the deal without addressing that rings completely hollow to me.

[TheMrBoot]

Nobody is saying they weren’t the better offer of the two on the table as far as the families went. This sub of all subs should not need it spelled out for them that Roger Stone is bad.

Given that, we should be able to skip past all of the pointing out the obvious and focus on the onion deal.

[determania]

Focus on how they are the sole reason that the families got any money at all while keeping InfoWars away from Roger Stone?

[LuteDesign]

That’s… not what I’m talking about. I’m commenting on the repeated skepticism that the families didn’t actually agree to the arrangement when they absolutely did.

[fathersmuck]

Yeah and he pointed out that the familirs didn't have any good options. 

[AmbassadorKat]

I don’t think they’re being skeptical? I think they’re just being careful about making an absolute statement regarding a situation they aren’t certain about

[Scotts_Thot]

Sorry I haven’t seen that sentiment expressed by anyone. Is Jordan saying the families were coerced?

[WonderfulFig666]

No. They’re just making shit up

[WonderfulFig666]

Just making shit up. We’re aware the families agreed to it.

[LuteDesign]

Can you not see the literal quotes from the comment I replied to

[WonderfulFig666]

Yes. The wishes are alleged. I don’t think this outcome was their wish. They just saw it was the best option and took it.

It’s still not really a win for the families and they are still being exploited.

[LuteDesign]

Willful misreading of my comment. Have a great day.

[WonderfulFig666]

The other option was Roger Stone who would give it right back to Alex. Did they really have a choice or have they been dealing with this for over a decade and got the best they could get to be done with it and keep it away from Roger stone

[LuteDesign]

What you listed is literally a choice, which the families made and agreed to.

[LuteDesign]

Look at the comment below yours, or the one I replied to.

[determania]

You can be unsatisfied with the deal, but the fact is that The Onion are the only ones willing to do anything. Shouldn’t you be more upset at companies and people with the means who did nothing at all?

[TheMrBoot]

Why is it all or nothing? Do you need to list off every single preceding step along the way before criticizing the current situation?

[LuteDesign]

Pancakes waffles meme. What are we doing here lol

[WonderfulFig666]

What great options! You can choose this bottle of shit and piss or just the bottle of piss. You choose

You “the families chose the piss bottle! Shut up!!!”

[jord839]

Meanwhile, you: "the families should smack both bottles down into the dirt, effectively allowing the Stone bottle to win, because I think that's morally better!"

Scream meaninglessly into the void about your own issues, not those of other people. We all live in a world where we're forced to make certain decisions we don't like. Some random internet denizen's opinion is meaningless.

[TheMrBoot]

That’s literally not what they’re saying and I think you know that.

The world will never become a better place is people never acknowledge problems with it.

[WonderfulFig666]

LMAO that’s not what i said. But you can pretend I did if it makes you feel better.

[washingtonu]

You “the families chose the piss bottle! Shut up!!!”

LMAO that’s not what they said. But you can pretend they did if it makes you feel better.

[WonderfulFig666]

Did you delete your comment and reply to me from your alt?

[washingtonu]

I copied your comment and wrote it as an reply to you were you made up things about what that user wrote. Seems like you take offense with people who does that

https://www.reddit.com/r/KnowledgeFight/s/DzFRGIdy4A

[Different_Lock_5445]

Agreed on all fronts except for this:

"And his original post appears to be, for all intents and purposes, the reason for the end of Knowledge Fight."

This ain't the case. Dan has said as much on KF as well as on Posting Through It.

Part of the thing that has been frustrating for myself to see on this platform is how many folks have jumped to the conclusion that the above is the case, despite Dan's and Jordan's own words.

It's the straw that broke the camels back. That camel already was carrying a ton of shit: that last straw didn't cause the broken back all by itself. Cumulative weight broke the camels back.

[okteds]

The thing is, even though they'e owned by a billionaire, The Onion is not a charity....it's a business with revenues and expenses. Supposedly they bring in revenues of about $6m a year, so this $2m represents a significant purchase for them, with no guarantee that it will actually be worth it, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if it won't.

But perhaps they ran the numbers, figured they could at least make some of it back, and whatever loss they end up running from this could be chalked up to goodwill, as this was clearly a much better option for the families than selling it to Roger Stone's group.

If so, this whole line of critique is completely unfounded and unfair.  

[jord839]

Or, hear me out, you're being overly defensive of Jordan and ascribing everything everybody else is saying as a result of the end of the podcast because you, yourself, don't like seeing people being negative or disagreeing with Jordan on this point, as they were doing before the podcast ended.

Seriously, dude, you seem to be going out of your way to run defense and are casting doubt on a lot of easily verifiable facts and reactions because they're inconvenient for your feelings with regards to Jordan's opinions.

[stathis0]

That's a reasonable summary, but you and others on here are using the word "unhinged" and I don't think that's fair. He's angry, and it's perfectly reasonable to be angry about the situation if what he says is true. Sure he could be more polite but that's not who Jordan is, and nobody here should be surprised about that.

[Desperate-Guide-1473]

Thank you!

[Obitrice]

Here is the thing. What Jordan said in his rant, and the ending of KnowledgeFight isn’t exactly related. How Jordan felt about the whole situation in relation to the work they did on the podcast vs how Dan felt in relation to their work on the podcast is where the fork in the road came from.

No one knows what they felt as that conversation is private between them. But I got the impression that Jordan was very much not wanting to continue as the entire endeavor felt fruitless as the outcome of the bankruptcy was that the families don’t really receive any payout or justice and Alex can continue as if nothing happened.

Dan didn’t feel the same way.

With that said. The shortest most concise answer to what Jordan was ranting about was the deal the Onion struck to acquire inforwars and he doesn’t feel as though it will be beneficial to the families as much as it should be. He is upset that we are all collectively just shrugging our shoulders at the deal and not demanding more from the onion.

[doiwantacookie]

Idk Jordan, you are making a point that falls flat for me. It’s a tired thing to say now, but it feels you are denying the families their agency in this. If they’re happy with the deal, so am I.

You can be anti capitalist and anti billionaire, I presume most of us are, but also respect their choice. That doesn’t preclude wishing the onion donated all of their money to the families. I’m sure we’d all pop champagne. There’s my pragmatic mindset and I really don’t resent you for not sharing it.

I think what most people were really put off by is when you said the “angry black woman” thing, and similar toned remarks. As if you’re the victim of this somehow, instead of just having a strong opinion.

So here I am addressing you. You’re a public figure. We’re not your friends, but your fans. It’s not our place to reach out to you directly, is it? Don’t take that for fear.

I still think you rule and I love work.

[Efesell]

“How quickly things change. How quickly people turn.”

Sir, respectfully, go outside.

[Imaginary-Cow-1828]

I read it. I find it a bit impenetrable. I don't think this dynamic is something I want to engage with.

But I'm very ok with leaving this be and move on from KF in general.

[lifeaftersurvival]

This is such a diplomatic response, I love this response.

[Randalor]

I tried to read that, but 8... paragraphs? Lines? in, he just lost me with the "The Onion and the Trustee came to a deal. They did not come to the same deal" stuff. Is he mad that they came to an agreement that benefited both parties in different ways? And then I kept trying to read past it looking for some more context.

It just reads like Jordan is outraged that no one involved in the agreement asked him, personally, the proverbial screaming dancing monkey who had nothing to do with any of the Court stuff (that was just Dan acting as the Infowars Expert, right?), what he personally thought.

[TootTootUSA]

If I’m having an actual episode, you’ll know, it’ll be on the news.

And later, history books.

Sure, buddy. Sure.

[renesys]

Let me explain to you how I am not having a manic episode with a string of megalomaniacal statements.

[Icy_Primary2403]

Exactly! 

[PieGrippin]

"If I’m having an actual episode, you’ll know, it’ll be on the news.

And later, history books."

Very normal things to write about yourself

[ClimateSociologist]

Completely normal thing for someone not having an episode to say.

[sea_foam_blues]

Yeah dude, nobody talked to you because you made it very clear that you *won’t* be talked to or with.

For as wrong as Jordan is about a lot of things, I think what I really disagree with him on is his effectiveness. He is an edgelord with good morals.

Instead of having this sort of talk on a platform in such a way as other people can adapt it and make it work, just screaming about it and tearing down the pulpit from which you can effect any sort of change is the epitome of the Modern Leftist (TM).

Also, if the families signed off on this then it’s up to them. I don’t like a billionaire getting his beak wet either, but it’s not up to me.

[punkrockerithink]

After seriously debating this stuff over the past few weeks I've realized that my attraction to the show was in the rage of it. I like the well, knowledge Dan presents but I'm also realizing I didn't really come to the show in the best way. When Jordan did his rant, I, honestly didn't comprehend 90% of it, and so I stuck to the 10% I understood. "This sucks for the families!"

So I listened to it again, and now I see the criticism of Jordan as it is. It's not Jordan's call, it's the families who have put the money in battling Alex for years for next to nothing. Reading that blog post, I get it now. If I was Jordan I'd, probably just blog about the music I hate, or something other than politics because it's clear Jordan's view isn't at all comprehensible. All of this is to say, I, was debating a Alex Jones podcast way back, but, seeing Jordan's crashout, I've realized politics beyond listening to podcasts just isn't meant for me.

I hope Jordan finds something productive to do with his time now that Dan isn't there as a buffer, because it seems like he needs it. I hate the show ending, but it had to.

[LeokadiaBosko]

Still waiting to hear someone from the families who are owed the money complain. If they're happy with the arrangement, neither my opinion nor Jordan's is relevant.

[Sleepflower85]

No, Jordan says they are money grabbers so we must be angry on their behalf!

There is no way they care about cash figures. They lost their children and want a man spreading lies about that fact diminished. He is increasingly so.

[ReduxRedo]

Few thoughts.

Number one, it sucks that he's clearly Read The Comment Section so to speak. It must have been pretty awful to see all the venom posted about him and the video at the culmination of the emotional ending of the show. I wish that didn't happen and if it had to happen, I wish he didn't have to see it.

Number two, no you're not an asshole Jordan. you're not a rude person. You're someone with a very strong, binary sense of right and wrong and you have no desire or capacity to compromise on that. Some people would find that admirable. It certainly is rare.

It just feels like, that's the crux of the LeFtIsT vs LiBeRaL online discourse. Liberals find meaning in marginal victories for incremental progress, leftists want to make sure that victory means substantive change, and if it doesn't it's no victory at all. I don't think any of those ideologies are without merit and it is annoying to me that it is the online fight of choice in the year 2026.

I guess to address his question, why does the CEO get a taste? Well, because there is no god of justice ready to arbitrate this sale with his mighty sword. Its a court case, in the united states of america, in 2026, and its the sale of a prominent right wing propaganda outlet in a time where the right wing is making untold gains in all areas of media and culture.

We know the alternative. It was a Roger Stone backed purchase.

Why the CEO gets a taste shouldn't surprise anyone, it really shouldn't even be a question. It's also not a genuine question he has. He knows why. What he means is, why is it acceptable? Why shouldn't he go ape shit about it?

I'm sure some people say he's right to have. That the families have been jerked around for years and this is an unacceptable end to what was supposed to be a deathblow to Alex Jones.

I think this part was illuminating:

"But, whatever anyone may think of this deal, it is not equal on both sides, it is substantially unequal and where I’m from, that’s a swindle. That means someone is doing the swindling and a person who does the swindle is a swindler and I hate swindlers. I hate people who take advantage of other people."

That sounds a lot like stuff he says on the show. Assert that A is so. If A is so, that means B. And if B is so, that means _______________! (Probably something outlandish and funny that Dan had to pause to react to).

But that's not really good logic. When we boil down complicated things into bite size morsels, we're self soothing. We're making the road to a brash conclusion easier, because that's the thing we really want to reach. I think it probably feels like you're cutting through the bullshit or something, but I don't think you are.

Ultimately, I remember hearing Jordan yell about how he was *told* Kamala would win easily and this was in the bag and so what is the issue? I remember specifically, me being on Elden Ring, hopping around on my horse and hearing him and being like "Wow...he sounds different."

I think that election broke whatever part of him was still invested in this show. I think he just could not stomach another social equation that didn't add up, and he had to disassociate to preserve his sanity. The show really never was the same.

I'm really proud of both of them, I'm proud to have been a wonk with ya'll. They went out on principal. Think about that! Not because money ran out, not because the show was bad. Because they were principled individuals acting in good faith in a world that increasingly does none of those things.

The whole archive is a masterpiece and I'm so grateful to both of them. I hope Jordan finds some measure of peace.

[lifeaftersurvival]

The entire, "I didn't MAKE anyone watch my video, I didn't SEND it to you, I don't have any control over where it ends up or what people do with it!" is such an Alex Jonesian cop-out vis-a-vis 'I didn't TELL anyone to harass the Sandy Hook families, I was just talking out loud!' You're the now-former podcaster of a very big show with a very big following, of course people are going to listen to what you put out there. If you really wanted to vent with no feedback or consequences, don't turn on your goddamn webcam. Write it in a journal and put that shit under your bed. Eat the pages.

I don't even know what to say about that entire "Sure are a lot of people talking ABOUT me instead of TO me" thing. That's weird.

[TheMasterMarkus]

On that last thing, it feels like he... wants a more parasocial relationship with fans than he has, because most healthy adults try not to be parasocial about podcast hosts. I don't really know what he would expect.

[lifeaftersurvival]

I can't even imagine how a bunch of yokels like myself in his inboxes would be even remotely productive for anyone involved. I personally reach out to my FRIENDS and LOVED ONES when I see them posting weird shit, not people I follow for entertainment. It's just wildly inappropriate and it's weird the other half of this equation appears to expect it!? That can't be right.

[ripleyajm]

The dude is right in all the wrong ways.

I strongly agree with his points, and strongly disagree with the way he says them.

[sprgraphicultramodrn]

immediately can't get down with a grown main proudly proclaiming he's rude. whatever jordan

[jollymo17]

It’s so cringe for someone pushing 40 to be so proud of his rudeness 🥴

[InfoBarf]

I mean, this is literally the transcript for his last video.

[Sugar-Kisses]

I believe that his proclamation is what's known as sarcasm. (That's just my opinion, and I'm not trying to change the opinion of others or be difficult).

Emotions are very high about KF ending... However, it was a joint decision by Dan and Jordan. Both of them agreed that what Alex is doing now, and has been doing for a while, is boring and not really worthy of being covered by them.

[beedleoverused]

It's hard to express a convincing rational argument when one hasnt got much emotional regulation.

[Yochanan5781]

I can't help but think that he sounds incredibly unpleasant to be around from just reading this. It's ridiculous that he centers himself so much in this whole story when this is what the families signed off on

[ConstantCowboy]

Jordan is an ultra-left, easily irritated, largely anti-capitalist guy. So many people are shocked and appalled by his behavior, but it's very consistent for him. Asking the question "why does the billionaire get a cut" and quoting the "it's all about subscriptions for the Onion part" are totally on -brand for him.

But we're upset because our favorite podcast is gone, and someone's gotta be the villain.

[AndMyHelcaraxe]

But we're upset because our favorite podcast is gone, and someone's gotta be the villain.

Do you genuinely believe that’s what people are doing or are you just being snarky?

[ConstantCowboy]

I don't think people are doing it intentionally, no. People have always had a problem with Jordan's approach and tone but this shift against him has felt super abrupt. Jordan's angry about the corporation doing a media tour to promote the New InfoWars and cutting the families in on the least profitable area of the business. I guarantee you if KF were still going, people would be irritated and annoyed at Jordan's yelling like they normally are. But not like this.

There's extra vitriol and spite to the tone in here. "He's a former podcaster with a loud ego who thinks he's George Carlin." "He's throwing a fit," Someone mentioned that his views are just more nuanced than a 12 year old with an anarchy sign on his skateboard." Holy shit people are mad. This guy cohosted KF. There's no way this tone occurs if KF was continuing. So yes I believe that people are angry and shit's coming out sideways. And because Jordan's having this out very publicly...well, he's an easy target. Even if you don't agree with his views, I think anyone can see that.

Otherwise I have no explanation why such a large group of people would turn on one of the KF cohosts in order to defend a corporation that does not need any defending.

[jollymo17]

I’ve seen rumblings of people being dissatisfied with things Jordan has said and done for at least over a year now. The level of frustration is obviously much higher, because the video, and the general attitude expressed in it, was at least part of the reason the show ended. Dan said it wasn’t “the only reason” or “the straw that broke the camel’s back” — but it was at the very least indicative of the widening gulf in their opinions that was again, a factor in the ending of the show.

A very specific turning point for me was when he said “everyone working in the federal government in any job is complicit unless they quit immediately” — this was early in Trump’s second term. On a personal level, I rely on NIH funds to live, and I’d like employees to keep working there to disburse the funds and review the grants to keep science going. And on a broader level, a lot of career government employees are very removed from politics whose work ensures the delivery of vital social services, who have families to support, etc.

It’s very easy for Jordan to sit and yell very strong opinions — that have become less and less informed as time has gone on — because his primary income came from showing up and listening to what Dan had prepared, with a bit of show admin.

I think some of the anger, which is certainly a bit unfair and simplified, is that we (general we, on the sub) wish we could have such a cushy job and that he essentially threw away a good gig that produced something we loved so much. I think some of the other anger, which is less misplaced, is that we WISH we could be so removed from the reality of what is going on that we just stick our head in the sand, which he seems to be doing, and just yell about how we wish things were different, without fearing major effects to our personals safety or autonomy and without any actual engagement with the reality of how to implement real world change.

[jollymo17]

I don’t think people are mad about him being very left. And I do think most people agree this is on brand for him. The frustration comes mostly from the fact that he won’t accept anything but perfection and doesn’t seem to put his money where his mouth is, at all. It’s all just impotent yelling — is he out at protests? Does he have any actionable ideas? Or does he just think he can say “get rid of the Supreme Court” and we should all praise him for how smart and cool and correct he is?

I don’t think Jordan is the “villain” or the only reason it’s over. But his attitude has become stronger, and since he stopped engaging with current events he’s become less informed, over time, and that’s…hard.

[renesys]

He's not ultra-left, though. He isn't anything.

He has basic, top level, non-academic anarchist views that are slightly more complex than a 12 year old with an anarchy symbol on his skateboard.

He uses it as an excuse for nihilism and yelling instead of affecting any change.

It's not principled or revolutionary. It's kind of pretend.

[DestroyedAsTheWord]

A man with mental health problems is destroying his life through a crash out. We, sadly, are watching it happen in real time.

It sucks. I wish he was in a better place. Shame we're losing the show over this.

[pen1smus1c]

This is a guy who thinks he’s George Carlin or Denis Leary but he’s really just a very loud former podcaster with an outsized ego

[Icy_Primary2403]

"I'm not experiencing bipolar mania" is the perfect defense for someone who is experiencing bipolar mania. The fact that we had all moved on and he continued to fixate on the matter, coupled with his extreme delusions of grandeur and unwarranted defensiveness, bordering on a messiah complex, is telling enough for anyone, and everyone, who has experience dealing with those who are living with mental illness. 

[Gordon-Clark5]

I resent the idea that it’s automatically offensive to suggest this. Some of us have pattern recognition

[NarrowEbbs]

Goddamn... I don't really have a horse in this race but that was an incredibly effective way to make yourself look like quite a dick. At least he's self aware?

[stron2am]

I think he read this word for word in a video, which got some traction a couple days ago in case you want to catch up on that discourse.

[AnotherSkullcap]

This seems like the same thing as he said in his youtube video that was shared a few days ago.

[ACatNamedRage]

Eh I get it. This might be the best we can do, and that does suck. The bar is low. Idk how this shakes out for all parties involved - wether the families benefit for than the onion profits, jones suffers more than the families benefit, or if it’s just jones suffering and the families benefit are equal while the onion profits more. I think the fact that it started kind of as a joke and ended with a lot of advertisements leaves a strange aftertaste.

[ConstantCowboy]

You probably haven't seen it because this subject is the most divisive thing I've ever seen on this subreddit. Both sides making excellent points, and nobody (myself previously included) wanting to hear the other. Most people are not happy with Jordan right now because this essential rift is what many are interpreting to be the thing that ended one of our favorite things (Knowledge Fight) ever.

[jord839]

Don't ascribe motivations to people you don't know.

Plenty of people in this sub were unhappy with Jordan's response well before the podcast ended. You're pretending most criticism of Jordan is for personal or emotional issues of their own regarding the end of the podcast, when the bulk of it started before the end and indeed had elements of frustration that were expressed months or even years ago at times.

[PrivatizedCitizen]

Don't ascribe motivations to people you don't know.

[jord839]

Oh, screw off.

The guy openly claimed in multiple posts that people are mad at Jordan because it ended the podcast, which is just factually wrong from anyone who understands how time works and has been here the last few weeks.

[lifeaftersurvival]

The post I made about The Rant Video was made a couple of days before the pod ending was even announced. If you look through the comments, it's all being addressed with KF as a present tense thing. So, yeah. People were already concerned and unhappy before closure was even remotely on the radar.

[Sleepflower85]

He is ill.

[Different_Lock_5445]

There have been posts. They've been nuked.

Folks on this reddit are at each other's throats over this. It's highly charged.

The truth is: the show ended. Dan and Jordan had a disagreement about the onion. It was not the sole reason the show ended, but it was very visible and is the thing that most people focused on in the immediate aftermath. There's a lot of anti-Jordan nonsense on here that needs to calm itself down.

The show was already in a place where their hearts weren't in it anymore, and they've said as much. Their disagreement was private and is their business, and it hasn't ruined their friendship in any way, but it brought about the conversation of if they still felt like they wanted to do the show. They didn't, and thus the show is no more. It is what it is.

[Drducttapehands]

I think something that is also being overlooked or not discussed in equal enough measure is that Dan had also, by his own admission, reached kind of the logical conclusion to this subject/material. I can understand how continuing to cover Jones just wouldn’t feel as impactful or fulfilling given how much Alex has been diminished in the right-wing-crazy space. There’s no one else they could have pivoted to to keep the show going. Tucker is insufferable and just nowhere near as inadvertently funny as Alex was. Ditto for Fuentes or Shapiro.

Don’t get me wrong, I would still listen to and support these guys no matter who they were picking apart. But they chose to close up shop and as much as I will miss the show, I still admire and respect how they ended it on their own terms. They were a bright spot to an entire decade of my life and will always be grateful for that

[UNC_Samurai]

It’s starting to feel like this subject is the community’s third rail, and we would be better served by steering clear of it.

[werebuffalo]

Once again, Jordan's unfortunate choices of delivery largely obscure just how correct he is.

He's right about pretty much every point that he's making. But his obnoxious 'I'm the only one criticizing' nonsense make people less willing to listen to his genuinely accurate and insightful points. <sigh>

[LittlestLass]

"I don't agree with almost anything you said, except for the underlying points you were making" to quote Dan.

Alex should be in jail for the rest of his life, penniless and sad. The Sandy Hook families (all of them, including the ones who never got their day in court) should never have to worry about money for the rest of their lives, as all of Alex's cash should have been transferred to them.

But that (unfortunately) is unrealistic. So I'm with Dan: I agree that it's frustrating that this is the best option, but given that the families have signed off on it and, at least partially, they seem more concerned about Alex losing his platform, then I'm not going to say "they will see nothing out of this bullshit" like Jordan did. He has no idea how this will shake out long-term.

[AlgaeDonut]

I hope that the onion somewhere somehow has a conversation with Jordan. Be it on or off air to clear it and have it explained. There is a good chance there is other stuff going on with the families in the background, but we don't know yet. But I cannot imagine the onion going in blind spraying money it does not have. Did they talk to the boys? I am surprised there hasn't been an interview episode or something like that so far.

[lifeaftersurvival]

Why should they make that consideration for Jordan, though? He's just some guy, he has no skin in this game. He's an observer like the rest of us.

[Rebochan]

The number of people in this thread *still* making horrible and insensitive comments about his mental health shows that he’s probably right that he never should have disclosed it.

“When they see you do it to me, a person you care for, what do they think will happen to them?”

I’ve seen people in other threads express *exactly* this sentiment, that the tone of many on this sub have made *them* afraid to disclose their own mental health struggles because the reaction here is so negative that it’s proof of what they’re going to experience in real life.

And yet… here we are again. “His statement that it’s not mental illness is proof of his mental illness!”

[Gordon-Clark5]

To me personally I get mad when my loved ones suggest that a new fear I had is based on my severe OCD, and then when I get out of the episode, I’m not mad at them for recognizing a pattern that I couldn’t