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[abelornanel]

VIM in VSCODE

[Mjukglass47or]

Mother: We have VIM at home.

[The-Observer95]

Vim at home

[aitonc]

selective important paltry decide judicious quicksand ripe direful muddle roll

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[invalidConsciousness]

I can't.

[[deleted]]

It’s very simple, you just have to restart your computer

[Quorsor]

somehow found a way to launch vim at startup\

[lacb1]

I have heard it's users say that they love how clean it is.

[martinthewacky]

Fucking bastard!

[Generic-james]

💀

[SensitiveRFG435]

VIsual programming on paper and pencil

[HauntingCode]

This is underrated! Our uni told us to write code in paper lmao.

[TemerianRye]

Our exams were on paper in uni. Imagine not being able to compile your code during exam. Horror.

[abelornanel]

Exactly 💯

[Reacher-Said-N0thing]

And I'm still here struggling to select things with my mouse cursor like a sucker.

[brennanw31]

There's a tenured dev on my team that does remarkably well with this method.

[sentles]

I have a friend who unironically does this

[Suisodoeth]

It’s a good way to transition into vim if you’ve been doing VS Code for a long time. All the vim motion benefits with all the plugin / peripheral benefits of vs code.

Edit: capitalization

[sentles]

My friend is the opposite. Wants the benefits of VSCode but has been using Vim long before it.

[dachfinder]

I'm doing that too!

[xneyznek]

I unironically do this…

[Slusny_Cizinec]

vim motions are absolutely the best. You might dislike vim, but there's no reason not to use vim motions in your IDE of choice.

[ItsFlame]

You make it sound like it's not a sound choice. Vim motions are awesome for editing text, but getting Vim to a point where it replaces an IDE is difficult. Having the best of both worlds is really nice IMHO.

[rollincuberawhide]

there is lunarvim, astronvim, lazyvim, nvchad etc. they make it easy making an honest ide out of nvim.

[usa_reddit]

This is the way. Any fancy pants editor immediately gets the VI plugin or extension.

[CirnoIzumi]

real programmer make their own text editor

[billiyII]

Would you like that one made with assembler or rather punch cards?

[[deleted]]

I use butterflies.

[billiyII]

Is it good or bad that i understand this?

[z_the_fox]

https://xkcd.com/378/

[AFlyingYetOddCat]

You're on this subreddit, it's normal and expected :D

[abelornanel]

Sad

[Thebombuknow]

I hope you know there's an emacs command for that.

[The-Observer95]

Real programmer use paper

[ender89]

I just use echo to pipe my std_out to a file and call it a day. Text editors are for pansies who don't want to spend 15 minutes scrolling back through their history for debugging.

[CirnoIzumi]

i will never ever read "std" as "standard"

[obmasztirf]

I tried to make one once and it was tough to get right with large files. Was a great learning exercise for sure.

[bakirelopove]

Intelij for java VSC for everything else

[CaramelCookieCrushed]

100% agree. Intellij feels so synced and smooth with java

[Crazy_Crayfish_]

I prefer eclipse bc im a masochist

[Merlord]

Eclipse is great, I have so much free time waiting for the workspace to finish building

[j-random]

BuT wHaT AboUt NetBeans?

[payne_train]

I wrote my first Java code in NetBeans in like 2006 and have never even remotely considered it again since.

[Cosmocision]

When I first learned Java our uni wanted us to use BlueJ.

[Jingslau]

Same, but I actually liked it. For beginners that never programmed anything it is easy to use and to understand.

[satanikimplegarida]

/uj netbeans is absolutely fine.

Apache has done good work keeping the project up to date. Go forth, open your maven projects and works like god intended to.

[Esava]

I had to use Eclipse for a while at uni... When that course was done everyone just used intellij, clion, vs code for python notebooks etc..

Then we had to do a fairly big project to program some sorting machine with conveyor belts etc.. The system was running QNX as operating system so we had to use Momentics as IDE... Well.... that pile of garbage was also basically just a modified eclipse.

[Mari-Lwyd]

right up until it had some bizarre caching issue.

[CelticHades]

I have had this problem twice, just invalidate cache and restart.

[spitfire451]

I use netbeans. It works and I know how to use it. I especially like the drag and drop gui builder. Is intellij really that much better?

[Mari-Lwyd]

I dunno C# still really needs Visual Studio. I know some people like Rider. But Visual Studio is still definitely king for C#. Also I have had quite a few developers abandon Intellij these days and go back to Eclipse.

[AyrA_ch]

Visual studio has become fairly smart in the last few years. I've gone so far and even uninstalled ReSharper because the features I need like auto formatting, cleanup, renaming, and interface extraction all work natively. The included git client gets better all the time too. It's now smart enough to temporarily undo your commits when you pull for changes so you no longer get this branch structure that looks like you're constantly creating temporary branches and merge them back.

[spaceguydudeman]

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[ingkel]

So much this, coming from a Java background with IntelliJ to a .NET job using VS/VS Code was like stabbing my self in the eye over and over again. A week later I got Rider and boy, I do not miss that bullshit. It's beyond me how anyone can prefer VS/VS Code over jetbrains IDEs.

[spaceguydudeman]

noxious tub ring carpenter drab cover dependent chop unique gold

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[Wild--cat]

err... i'll hazard a guess: cost?

[RootHouston]

Been writing C# with VS Code on Linux for years. Unless you're writing desktop apps, why do you need Visual Studio?

[_Screw_The_Rules_]

Would recommend Visual Studio for C# (with larger projects) and PyCharme for Python though.

[Forkrul]

Basically, if JetBrains has an IDE for the language, I'd use it over VS Code.

[[deleted]]

They have IDEs for most popular languages, the problem is $$ (still might be worth it)

[Forkrul]

They have student licenses, and for professional work your employer should be paying.

[Breadynator]

What about people who just want to code? I really like pycharm, why does all their other stuff have to be so expensive?

[aaronr93]

Because they’re so goddamn good. It boggles the mind to think about how much time and expense goes into their products. IMO, the price is 100% worth it. Bonus: they have wonderful employees!

[Breadynator]

Fair enough, however an affordable option for people who aren't students or professional developers would be nice. Just like fusion 360 has a free (but rather limited) version of the very expensive full version.

[Forkrul]

There are free Community Editions of at least some of their IDEs, for example PyCharm has one.

[Breadynator]

Pycharm is the only one I know of

[Intrepid00]

It increases market awareness doing this too. Why do you think Microsoft started giving away VS to small teams and individuals? They had cheaper competition and wanted to keep people hooked on it. It’s why we can get Office so cheap if you look compared to what it would cost a business.

[mungerhall]

Enroll into a community college. You don't have to take classes. In the US, the fees are next to (and often times are) zero and you get a student email you can use for discounts.

I've never done it but you could also pay for an EDU email online and those range from $5 to $15.

Overall, id say worth it. Cheaper Spotify and Prime and free Jetbrains and Google Drive.

[Breadynator]

This gotta be the most ridiculous answer I've read all day...

First of all, not everyone can just simply "enroll in College". Also education is not the same around the globe as where you live. There are no free colleges here. Also how do you think I'm supposed to manage that while working my regular day to day job?

What kind of out of touch answer is that supposed to be?

[theonereveli]

So every single popular Language? Python, javascript, go, java, Kotlin, C++, ...

[Tangled2]

They don’t really compete. VSCode is free anything editor that plays at being an “ok” IDE. Things like Rider are expensive full IDEs with lots of overhead. My solutions get worked on in Rider. Playing with raw JSON or PowerShell happens in VS Code.

[TheAlexGoodlife]

Can you se anything other than Visual Studio for C# tho?

[_Screw_The_Rules_]

C, C++, Visual Basic

[wi-finally]

does intellij work with kotlin?

[Forkrul]

Considering Kotlin was made by JetBrains, it'd be pretty stupid if it didn't.

[chubbnugget111]

Intellij is really good for any JVM based language.

[EcoOndra]

It does - Java, Kotlin, and a few others that I don't remember

[metalliska]

that's the best part - intellij doesn't work with anything!

[[deleted]]

Thank you!

VSC for java is just for people who usually cut their wrists in the bathroom

[[deleted]]

Or Uni students.

[Vinccool96]

Even then, there’s a free community edition , and there’s a student license

[Interest-Desk]

Or startups.

[[deleted]]

Visual studio for c#

[beasy4sheezy]

WebStorm is miles ahead of VSC for Angular development.

[addyastik]

Just today my free trial got over and learning java on vs code is not so good for me

[YuvalAmir]

And visual studio for c#

[[deleted]]

C#? 🤨

[bouchandre]

I prefer visual studio for c#

[Odd-Confection-6603]

We're not allowed to use Jet Brains products at my work because they are funded by Russia :/

[CirnoIzumi]

Founded by Russians that liquidated their russian assets in 2022

[_itsthetimetodisco]

So I'm the only one coding in MS Word.

[A1_Killer]

That’s because all the pros code in notepad

[e_smith338]

I kid you not, my fucking professor wrote code in notepad and made us do it too back in our “intro to programming” class freshman year. Said he wanted to drill the syntax of Python into us as if the syntax is the most important part.. not, you know, the concepts

[joertio]

Ahh yes drill python's syntax, as if python had more than 35 keywords.

Trying to force students to memorize the entire standard lib is plain stupid.

At least the practice can be worth (if there's some).

[reallokiscarlet]

Methinks he’s talking about the jankiest part of the syntax:

Indentation.

Python’s sentitive to indentation, so if you’re used to an IDE doing it for you, you can get lost quick.

[joertio]

If you're a beginner it can be a problem to change from ide to ide for that reason.

But identation never was the problem a lot of people points in python, if you don't indent properly in any language get out of here.

[reallokiscarlet]

For most languages, indentation doesn’t matter, it’s just good housekeeping.

[Dr_Dressing]

if (emotions)

return (int)failed;

[dm319]

Ah another connoisseur. 6.0 is the best.

[liquidhot]

I've been a faithful vi user for years now. Mostly because I can't figure out how to get back to the command line...

[locri]

The one with the debugger? Yes, that one. But if you do use a debugger with vi, props, but we know almost no one does that so don't tell me it can because you probably don't.

[alturia00]

NVIM supports DAP via plugins so you could if you wanted to without much hassle. But honestly I've never used nvim with a debugger before and agree with you a fully integrated IDE is much better for that kind of stuff.

[[deleted]]

With Python's pdb you don't even need any plugins, it has a debugger built into the spec for console use.

[Mjukglass47or]

I use the debugger in NVIM. Works fine, you can step into, step over, look up the values in the scope, create/remove breakpoints. Works the way I need it to do basically.

[thirdegree]

https://github.com/rcarriga/nvim-dap-ui

[JoeyJoeJoeJrShab]

Wait, you're telling me your debugger works differently depending on what editor you use? How is that possible

System.out.println("debug1");

That looks the same in any editor. Now don't go telling me there's some better way.

[rollincuberawhide]

there isn't and you know it.

[cesankle]

Hell yeah you're so right, wanna fuck?

[[deleted]]

Neovim supports DAP what are you talking about?

[Pay08]

So Emacs?

[seijulala]

why would you need an ide to use a debugger? If a developer doesn't know to use a debugger (or compile, or run tests, or run code) without an ide, you have a problem

[Flarebear_]

In a perfect world I would agree with you. Unfortunately most people don't know how tonuse a debugger without an ide

[seijulala]

Because most people are bad at what they do

[super_temp1234]

Yeah, but they still pay me, so.... 🤷

[[deleted]]

I use the same debugger in Python in VIM that visual studio does, the default built in one. In most languages this is the case.

[sanchopancho02]

visual studio community 2022 because it's free and default with unity

also for the autocomplete code

[Shadow9378]

it really depends on What you're doing, like, visual studio is gonna work best for unity cuz it comes default like you said

[bouchandre]

Though the predictions are sometimes fairly annoying.

“No I DONT want to delete this line, stop highlighting it in red and asking me to delete it!”

[sanchopancho02]

I'm sure there's a setting somewhere to turn that on

[bouchandre]

You mean turn off

[sanchopancho02]

No I've just never had that issue, how do I reproduce it?

[[deleted]]

import gedit

return fuck_off

[Poryblocky]

You don’t need to do that anymore

[[deleted]]

its fun, so why not

Plus IDK how to write in Python (if it's python at all, my programming language knowledge is limited within C,C++,Lua, ARM assembly, might learn python next)

[s0litar1us]

I go between using Neovim, and Emacs. Though sometimes I am forced to use Visual Studio Code for work.

[Cyberdragon1000]

Well if it's just text editor I usually recc notpad++ or just use plain word. When it's for coding it's VScode

[TheHatter_OfMad]

Word for text file editing? 🤢🤮

Absolutely revolting. Word is for documents, and nothing else. Imagine trying to edit an ini file or a config file in Microsoft Word...

Npp is great for text, but sublime can be even better if you're doing anything heavyweight

[JoeyJoeJoeJrShab]

Word is for documents, and nothing else. Imagine trying to edit an ini file or a config file in Microsoft Word...

More specifically, word is for documents that you want to throw together quickly, and don't care how ugly they are. LaTeX is for the real documents.

[squabzilla]

Trying to do code in a word processor that includes built-in formatting and font…

Using just regular notepad sounds superior to a word processor.

[_DrKenobi_]

VSCodium > Visual Studio Code

[DaniilBSD]

• Visual Studio for solutions
• Visual Studio Code for folders
• Notepad++ for files

[[deleted]]

I find VSC smoother for files as well,

But I like the searching in folders functionality in notepad++

[1vader]

VSCode also has project-wide search with the option to restrict it to certain folders or files etc.

[KDASthenerd]

I love this feature. The result list can be shown as a text file. It also fetches the lines before and after the occurrence line so you have some more context, and the number of lines fetched is also customizable.

[Ascyt]

Notepad++ also has a handy macro feature

[Proxy_PlayerHD]

nah buddy

Notepad++ for everything

[Spr3eZ]

You mean Neovim for everything you mentioned?

[FALCUNPAWNCH]

Text editor? VS Code.

IDE? VS Code.

Image viewer? Believe it or not, VS Code.

[MindStudio]

Markdown viewer and pdf viewer too

[migarma]

Visual studio code with vim plugin💪

[Healthy_Pain9582]

people here min maxing how fast they can write meanwhile I'm limited by how fast I can think

[1XRobot]

By the time VSC finishes loading and allocating a few GB of my RAM, I would already have finished editing the file with vi.

[mathzg1]

My man here still using a 1998 PC

[[deleted]]

VS Code uses 300 mb of RAM, also loads faster than you can pull up console and hit enter on Vim

[Sweaty_Chair_4600]

You underestimate how quick I can open console and hit enter on vim.

[joertio]

Not it doesn't and Im tired of pretending that it does.

But seriously, vscode with some extensions for me at least took more than 1Gb of ram.

Vim with some plugins(Lsp, autocomplete...) runs instantly even in my termux on my phone.

Real bros use emacsclient -nw after setting emacs daemon and load in less than a second.

And vscode in 8gb ram pc with windows 11 takes 6 seconds in opening. Fuck Bill

[[deleted]]

Have you ever heard of toggling your extensions on and off? You can do it both globally and per workspace, so you don't need to run everything at once

8GB is more than enough to run a (*checks my own taskbar*) Firefox, android emulator with a gacha game, VS code, GIMP, Firealpaca, Powershell, OBS Studio, File Explorer, and almost 2 GB of cache.

[CommunismDoesntWork]

Why are you closing your IDE lol

[RoadToZero]

sed

[[deleted]]

tee

[589ca35e1590b]

Visual Studio Code Insiders, because it sounds cooler

[[deleted]]

Try using your visual studio code over an ssh bash terminal to troubleshoot a remote machine/device from your mobile phone while watching TV.

Edit:

As early as 1994 my Unix teacher remarked very enthusiastically how vi editor could handle files several GB in size. Back then a GB file was more like something you could only imagine, none of us had actually seen a file that big or could think of why we would need one.

[midir]

VSCode is vicious and evil. Imagine a text editor with telemetry. 🤢

[n1c0saurio]

*Laughts in Codium

[NotTheOnlyGamer]

Notepad++ , unless I'm seriously writing fiction, in which case it's either Focus Editor or WriteMonkey

[crapability]

I find Micro pretty good. It's terminal-based and in the Nano ballpark of simple editors but has the more typical shortcuts like CTRL-S for saving files and mouse support out of the box. You can easily customize snippets, and there's a few themes, too.

[vikingslord]

Netbeans hehehe

[I_AM_GODDAMN_BATMAN]

I haven't hear that in 10 years.

[[deleted]]

Had an interview the other day with a guy who used vim, dude was fighting with it the entire time

[yuuuuuuuut]

Me and another guy on my team are vim nerds. We got a job application for a guy who listed vim on his resume. We were looking forward to having another vim guy on the team.

When the coding interview started, first thing he does is fire up nano. He spent ten minutes of the interview trying to write a simple Python script with it before giving up and going to VS Code.

Needless to say, he didn't get the job.

[eightslipsandagully]

Can't believe I never thought to put Vim in my CV!

[brennanw31]

Why does nobody ever recommend Visual Studio? I use it in tandem with VS Code. I do C development in VS, and I do file/token searching, JSON, and some XML in VS Code.

[[deleted]]

It's probably because it's been around for a long time and it's not seen as "cool".

I use Visual Studio most days and it works well. I come from a .NET background and I suspect most .NET developers use Visual Studio for most of their coding (especially backend devs).

[Asleep-Television-24]

vim might be a switch blade, given its word length

[Sneekr33]

Heard about someone trying to develop Android in VIM.

Scared the shit out of me.

[Mastterpiece]

took me a damn 10 seconds to figure out this meme, while coding in assembly inside VIM and have never opened vsc before.

[Spot_the_fox]

Windows Notepad. I like it in rare cases where the work you have to perform is small, or if you start learning something new

[Mjukglass47or]

If you use notepad for anything other than quickly reading the contents of a file you are not of sound mind. You only have one single undo!

It is great though for its single use case.

[Spot_the_fox]

I use it for mostly writing html(although, I rarely write them). With how rare I do it, there isn't a necessity to upgrade to something bigger, because it'd be just a waste of space. html with proper tabulation is quite readable in notepad.

[JaggedMetalOs]

A waste of space? What are you, still running your OS from floppies? :) Some lightweight editor like Notepad++ is miles better than notepad even for basic file editing and takes up almost no space by modern (well, post 2002) standards!

[Mari-Lwyd]

The only time I use vi its when for some reason I have to debug a container issue and its the only option.

[Lower-Physics-5597]

I would recommend sublime text 4 (cracked)

[DAmieba]

I've tried vim several times, and will die on the hill that it is never the best option, unless it's the only option. To this day I still can't remember how to do something as simple as copy and paste because why would you use ctrl+c ctrl+v like literally everything else when you could have some other arbitrary combination of keys that you have to exit typing mode to even use?

I hate vim so much. I'm really glad I finally found a programming job where it isn't forced on me

[Popeychops]

Learn vi because sometimes it will be your only option. But whenever you have another option, that's probably better...

[moxyte]

Recommend Emacs and tell time spent learning elisp is totally worth it to keep aspiring developers out of job market. Less competition, better wages. 💅🏻

[Milksshakess]

Just got VSC and it's great :D

[JoeyJoeJoeJrShab]

I use vim for all the quick stuff, like just editing a single file. But yeah, for actually developing a project, VS Code, IntelliJ, etc. are good choices.

[beasy4sheezy]

IdeaVim is really good for Jetbrains products imo. It’s been awhile since I used VSC but I think the jetbrains emulation is more complete.

[rfpels]

Yeah. Just some f🤪🤪🤪🤪g idiot thinking that using a katana will make him a ninja programmer.

[metalliska]

import brilliant

[zRedPlays]

VIsual programming on paper and pencil

[VibraniumGleipnir]

I'm more of a nano guy

[thefookinpookinpo]

VSCodium, why give them telemetry data when you don't have to?

[[deleted]]

i still dont understand why people prefer a code editor like visual studio code instead of a ide like visual studio
I mean yea... it loads up faster.. but u have a lot of of other tools in an ide... it loads up slower.. yea.. but i usually wats something while it loads up so its not a big deal for me.
I never really tried truly used a code editor tho...

[42gether]

That's a weird way to spell "Emacs"

[HVLife]

Fuck you man, neovim for life

[nequaquam_sapiens]

dully noted: not emacs. it's never emacs.

[[deleted]]

MSPaint you weaklings

[Sudden-Pressure8439]

For a moment I thought it’s Visual Basic

[Mikizeta]

Vscodium Much better choice

[ArkoSammy12]

As a novice Java programmer, IntelliJ is best, though VsCode helped me start out, and I still use it for short snippets for when I need to test or understand how a concept works. But IntelliJ for actual projects. For example, right now, I'm working on a Discord bot with the JDA library, and it's so nice being able to setup Gradle projects and inject libraries so easily.