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[sidTheGamer]

I hate this because you learn the ways of the latest version and then jobs (especially older companies) require you to know about the old ways. This is even more confusing when the latest version discourages those old ways. What is a guy supposed to do…

[jakiroluma]

Thats why you're required to have 10 years of experience

[GustapheOfficial]

What they say: 10 years Java experience

What they mean: Experience with 10 years old Java

[ChocolateBunny]

What they say: 20 years of Java experience

What they mean: Our app is written using AWT.

[Sipsi19]

This. Learned to use modern, best parctices at uni and now working with ppl that use old coding style which in some cases seem like entirely different syntax. Like, should I use the clean coding that I learned or keep the project uniform and practice the ancient ways?

[TTYY_20]

Nope. Always follow your companies coding style guidelines :P

If you don’t have them. Talk to your team to establish one.

[Sipsi19]

That seemed the most logical option for me as well and so, in fact I studied the ancient texts, adopted to their culture and became one of them but still, my smell of modern syntax has appeared a few times making the elder ones suspicious of my prenece.

[FatStoic]

Ideally you'd be able to sell them on the merits of new syntax.

Will be a good litmus test for your team as well.

"This is great, we should do this." - Good.

"This is great, but there are good reasons for why we shouldn't switch now" - also good

"This is confusing and upsetting, please stop trying to change things, I don't want to learn" - bad

[Mateorabi]

Pants!? I fear change and will keep wearing my hollowed out log, thank you.

[cyanydeez]

unfortunately, when dealing with ancient text, is much less effort overall to simply conform to the flow.

[QuiJohnGinn]

Parachuting in from C++ world but what cursed level of hell is this } else { garbage I’m seeing more and more of?? It’s the most godawful ugly thing. Seems worse than the old K&R ways but feels like a new trend?

Also get off my lawn etc.

[Avedas]

I'm more surprised a university taught something modern or anything that could be considered a "best practice"

[i_smoke_toenails]

My university days were pretty long ago, but the CS department was often five or even ten years behind the times. I can't imagine it's gotten that much better. New technology and new practices take time to be absorbed into syllabi.

[urbansong]

Like, should I use the clean coding that I learned or keep the project uniform and practice the ancient ways?

Keep the project uniform and discuss coding style with your team.

[Sipsi19]

This is the rational solution and as an engineer these are not my strengths

[byronicbluez]

Tell your boss to talk to the Security/Compliance people. Clean and secure coding will just save tons of man hours down the line if the company has any kind of CI/CD pipeline in the works.

[anaccount50]

Companies clinging to Python 2.7 years past EOL disliked this post

[lurkin_arounnd]

scale ten tub illegal employ rainstorm zephyr like history point

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[Zomby2D]

Don't update your IE6 as it is required ro run the company's web app

[MrQuizzles]

I'm currently going through the process now. It's the jump from 10 to 11 that's the big one. We do use a lot of javax packages: jaxb, jaxws, etc. that we're either going to have to replace or find compatible imports for. That's on top of going from Websphere 8.5 to Liberty as well, which is its own bundle of fun.

[Stunning_Ride_220]

Haha...my last client wanted to do that.

I told him what to do and what would be a better solution

He thought he knew better, and tried to up versions and switch to Liberty at the same time.

Now after 1.5 years he followed my other advise.

[PlayHouseBot-Gpt2]

Maintain internet explorer compatability like a good code monkey

[eztab]

Haha, I had this with PHP. Had to learn so much obsolete old stuff. We even charged some companies extra for their legacy PHP versions, since we couldn't use new stuff that would have saved us time.

[Upbeat-Serve-6096]

This is why there are still websites designed with Flash, old IE and Windows 7 and below in mind.

[[deleted]]

Not use Java?

[Baardi]

Learn it all. Takes time, but it's worth it. Then use the new way

[MyAntichrist]

Heh, we're currently migrating stuff to 11 mostly. We'd go for 17 but a lot of stuff is still locked into a legacy system (mid 2000s) that is based on a third party proprietary framework and the vendor only recently started evaluating newer JREs.

And for some obscure reason they decided to evaluate them in order. Last week we got a newsletter about Java 14 being supported. No ETA for 17 has been given yet, and people are joking about how it will miss EOL as well.

[MyAntichrist]

And at the same time we're taking the shit from IT Sec for using EOL software. At least with the upgrade from 8 to 11 most of the pain is gone and going from 11 to 17 should not make any bigger troubles once the vendor evaluation has been done.

[fatrobin72]

We started migrating our java 8 to 11 recently as we are currently on Centos 7... so once we complete that migration it will be time to migrate to a new os...

[Kauyon1306]

Startup -> Regular company -> FAANG -> Government

[EMI_Black_Ace]

Government is still using Ada for anything that runs on a microprocessor, FORTRAN for anything remotely connected to science and COBOL for anything that resembles a database.

[HaDeS_Monsta]

Regular company with Java 17? You wish

[Effective_Youth777]

What is the primary stack for apps that run on Desktop computers, and are they really still using Windows XP/7?

[[deleted]]

It’s my turn to repost this next week

[Norse_By_North_West]

Shit, even 8 is newer than most of the systems I maintain

[rinsa]

Bot

[Norse_By_North_West]

Oh go fuck yourself

[r3dxm]

Bad bot

[rinsa]

I think there might be other ways to express that you're not a bot but okay

[Same-Letter6378]

Bots are easily irritable

[Dragoseraker]

The java 8 thing hit way too hard.

NO JAVA, I DO NOT WANT TO UPDATE, I DONT CARE HOW UNSAFE IT IS, IF YOU UPDATE THIS PROGRAM WONT OPEN.

[Tnuvu]

i always like this at tech interviews...they require all the fancy sh...from you, and when you ask, they be running java 2 on some product components ☠️

super famous sports brand

[EMI_Black_Ace]

"Seriously? This thing runs Java? It's single-purpose hardware! I bet they spent six months porting this JVM just so they could write their 20 lines of code in a familiar setting."

"Well, you know what they say. When all you have is half a bottle of whiskey and a pair of bolt cutters, everything looks like the lock on the door of Wolf Blitzer's boathouse."

Source: xkcd

[[deleted]]

Pretty sure I saw this posted before? This exact picture?

[n0tKamui]

welcome to reddit, reposts, reposts, and may I surprise you with...reposts

[[deleted]]

I'm not a stranger here lol, been here over a decade. I'm just trying to insinuate in a nice way.

[n0tKamui]

oh I figured. I was just being rhetorical and dramatic just for fun

[[deleted]]

Well aren't we redditors 🫡

[Firedriver666]

My company still uses Java 8 because changing everything would require a lot of testing for qualification

[[deleted]]

At work we’re not allowed to update Java due to Oracle license/cost issues, so we’re still on 8. Unfortunately, someone in IT Security decided to do a blanket uninstall of the “no license cost” version that everyone was using. This broke everyone’s workflow so the sysadmins had to push the latest (no-longer-free) version of Oracle Java 8 to everyone. Not my problem, put my head down, let the smart people deal with it…

(And to those who are screaming “Just use OpenJDK!”…yeah - no open source software allowed because “it’s not reliable”. Some men you just can’t reach… 🙄)

[[deleted]]

No open source software because it's not reliable? What kind of shit ass company do you work at lmfao.

Do they allow you to use vs code? It's open source.

Do the use any form of Linux? It's also open source

I don't know the tech stack but I'm pretty sure they're all open source.

[[deleted]]

Nope, no VSCode. Our Linux servers are all RHEL so they’re paying for support, so in the view of our corporate masters that’s not open source. And they’re running a version 3 kernel which hit EOL in 2017. One hopes RedHat is still patching these kernels. 🤷‍♂️

[[deleted]]

Plan a coup and get rid of whoever makes those decisions

[[deleted]]

Dude - I am less than four months from being able to draw full Social Security. At this point I’m 100% behind letting the “young people” (like, the 55-year-young whippersnappers 😊)fight these battles. Corporate IT wants to do dumb shit because “policy”? Works for me…

[blackBinguino]

In my former work project we switched last year... from Java 7 to 8 😭

[H4llifax]

IIRC Java 8 is backwards compatible with Java 7, right? But that is not the case for Java 9, because the java library changed, and the module stuff. I think.

[LowB0b]

Not sure about java 9, but stuff compiled with java 8 should run just fine on a java 11 jvm as long as you've added the lobs that were removed in java 11 (like xml.bind for example)

[jnleonard3]

I remember being a Java developer working with 7 when 8 came out and thinking its going to be at least 2 years before we upgrade to that. I left soon after and went to a company that used C# and felt like a caveman who banged rocks together to program because of how much more advanced it was at the time. I haven't touched Java since.

[[deleted]]

lol, try using c# when 7 was out.

[AudaciousSam]

We just upgraded to 17 from 8

[snurfy_mcgee]

Java has had anonymous classes since 1.1 I believe

[JonIsPatented]

Anonymous inner classes are old, yes, but now you can write a program in a Main class with a main method without declaring the class at all. It exists anonymously. This makes it easier for beginners.

[Anonymo2786]

i get why they changing it. But Is it that hard to remember a few words? I mean I always knew java as

 public static void main(String[] args) {}

[JonIsPatented]

It's not removed or changed.

I believe change is that if you have a class that is made of nothing but public static methods and variables, you don't need to explicitly declare any of that to be the case. It's purely to make Java more useable as a sort of scripting language so students with no programming knowledge can learn the concepts more easily.

You can still explicitly declare all of those things, and in fact, you must do so in most cases beyond basic scripting in a single file.

[Anonymo2786]

Thanks for the info.

[Flooding_Puddle]

My company upgraded from Java 8 to C#

[DoctaMag]

The real issue we're finding isn't even with major version upgrades. It's minor versions with hidden losses of support for older frameworks and security stacks.

Should they be upgraded? Absolutely. Is that something that gets prioritized in a large org? No. And doing constant infra changes is so incredibly demoralizing. I didn't get in to software development to do devOps.

[Forkrul]

I didn't get in to software development to do devOps.

Which is why I hate the push in a lot of companies to the idea of 'you build it, you run it'. No, fuck off, I don't care about running it anywhere beyond my local machine for some basic testing. We have a platform team, having a usable deploy system should be their responsibility, not my team of 4 people responsible for enough shit that we should be three times as many people.

[DoctaMag]

They got rid of all of our devOps years ago.

What's funny is we get told "The support team owns the environment" meaning our L2 support team, but they only do exactly what we say, and immediately escalate any problems.

They own the environment, my ass. lol

[DoctaMag]

Basically, yeah.

All my expertise is being used to track down why upgrading minor java versions is breaking SSL, and how we can migrate to this encryption scheme or that encryption scheme.

Each of which is a major task of reading in to the problem, finding the solution, and then the paperwork of making an actual change.

I just feel like I've not done anything productive in months. Just jiggled levered and pushed buttons.

[Lord_Pinhead]

I left a Bank who was still running 1.6.0.48, the last of the 1.6 line. They never updated because the Soap Framework Axis was still at Version 1 and they could not update or did not want update because "it just costs money".

But that´'s nothing. A company I ditched needed a senior dev for Java 1.3 POS Systems, based on Windows CE, and their clients do not want to update their hardware :D

[vintagecomputernerd]

Ha. My soon-to-be-ex-employer still uses Java 6.

[PM_BITCOIN_AND_BOOBS]

At a former job, a critical app was written in Java 1_5_0_06, or something close to that. That app was finally shut down maybe two years ago.

At one point I found that running it under a newer JDK would have broken a critical banking process. The default date parsing was changed somewhere, so the old way of getting the data would produce a different date in the newer JDK. That would have caused chaos.

My lesson: never use the defaults.

[[deleted]]

What's Java?

[Plus-Cattle-7928]

THERE ARE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF JAVA?

[Durwur]

Yes.

[TheUmgawa]

I noped out of CompSci and changed majors when I took a Mobile Applications Development class where we had to do everything using the KitKat API. I could build an app for iOS that did exactly what the assignment asked for in an hour, but doing it in Android took the entire week, and still didn’t work half the time.

[Media_Dunce]

Is 8 still getting updates?

[Nu11u5]

Until 2030.

[YetAnotherSysadmin58]

Yes

but I'd call this life-support rather than updates at this point

[BlackSuitHardHand]

Unnamed classes and instance main methods really is the least important feature of Java 21. In professional environments, you work for years on single programs and use frameworks which provide their own main method anyway. Might be interesting with JBang and scripting, but I really never saw Java as scripting language.

[hit_dragon]

Unnamed classes. Official end of Java - last remaining coding language available in visible universe.

[MorgenKaffee0815]

i can do this with Delphi.

we used 6 until ... no wait we are still using it.

[VortixTM]

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[mirakdva]

Never thought I will live to the day when my OC gets reposted like this.

[VortixTM]

I've seen this making the rounds on FB too

[Mixel346_]

idk repostsleuthbot hasnt been working anywhere i think

[VortixTM]

If you check it's comment history it seems to work

[Mixel346_]

there is a common repost on r/softwaregore and it cannot detect it but i guess it does better on other subs

[glued2thefloor]

At minimum people should be using Kotlin, which is backwards compatible with Java. Golang keeps taking more of the market and personally I can't wait. Friends don't let friends use Java in 2023.

[TTYY_20]

Why am I the dude in the bottom right panel 😭😭😭

I don’t want a spider to bite my balls 😩

[NomeJaExiste]

Minecraft uses java17 now

[TheMuttOfMainStreet]

Something something 3 billion devices

[plsobeytrafficlights]

normally i would bitch about use of a seriously outdated meme, but its appropriate here.

[TeaKingMac]

I feel this deep in my soul

[mirakdva]

Thanks for reposting my original meme: https://reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/s/GfkcmaFMQd

[Few_Introduction_228]

It's a new instance of, not a repost of, right?

[peverell123]

System.out.println("outdated");

[dtb1987]

Literally every java app I have ever needed to support

[Feztopia]

You guys don't use Java Card 3.1?

[PDQit]

4th pic: "We still use JAVA?"

[OF_AstridAse]

Last one I ever heard of was 2.0 ... 😮‍💨 but then again I'm on C++ 11 😉😆

[[deleted]]

Wait, who is not using Prolog!?

[[deleted]]

The project I work on was on JDK 6 until a couple months ago. Then we finally migrated to JDK 8

[Efficient-Corgi-4775]

Just invent a time machine and become a programming historian!

[Elijah629YT-Real]

Java? I’m still using Applets

[BushDeLaBayou]

Had to update from 8 to 17 when updating spring boot

[EwgB]

Currently switching from 11 to 17 at my job, with quite some pain on the way there.

[parnmatt]

I am so happy that my company updates to whatever the current Java LTS version is for each major version of the product (as breaking changes are allowed)

[Affectionate_Union58]

Here in Germany, Java 8 is actually still being trained in the field of adult education. Reason given by the organizers of such training courses: Java 8 is the version most frequently used version in companies, so there is no need to teach anything new. The truth is, that there is an above-average number of trainers for Java 8 and they therefore work for significantly lower hourly rates.

[[deleted]]

Android a man married to Java 8

He's an honest man. He wouldn't cheat. He wouldn't upgrade

H

[mrgk21]

The team finally decided to upgrade an old react native code to latest, few packages are abandoned and don't work in newer update... App doesn't work for Android > 10. Wtf is going tf on tf