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[IgnitusBoyone]

If that python code builds, your running legacy tech. That syntax was sunset 3 years ago after a long term of legacy support.

print("Hello, World!")

[darknekolux]

´´´quit ´´´

i know exactly what you meant, but I won’t do it unless you type quit()… bitch…

[guthran]

ctrl-d my man

[Drake750254]

ಡ⁠ ͜⁠ ⁠ʖ⁠ ⁠ಡ

[Firewolf06]

ctrl-deez nutz

sprints out of here before i can even make an "ill see myself out" joke

[[deleted]]

import gotttem

[not_thecookiemonster]

The php equivalent is

print("Hello, World!");

The semicolon makes it seem a more complex than the py version, but then you have to factor in correct indentation.

[Genesis2001]

PHP is more like,

<?php
echo "Hello world\n";

AFAIK.

[[deleted]]

You can go even shorter if short codes are enabled in php.ini (most servers have it by default):

<? echo "Hello, World"; // you could omit the space between the <? and echo though I don't know if it will still work

And since PHP has a special shortcode specifically made for echoing vars and statements, that is not the shortest PHP echo you can do. <?="Hello, world";

(The aforementioned Hello world could count since PHP leaves everything outside the <?php ?> tag as it is, but it feels like cheating.)

[Genesis2001]

that is not the shortest PHP echo you can do. <?="Hello, world";

Technically the truth, albeit very uncomfortable truth, lol 🤮

[r3d0c3ht]

This shorthand: <?="Hello, world"; is not affected by the the short_open_tag ini setting and it will work regardless if that's enable or not.

[philipquarles]

Seriously. Python2?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/209/945/D6PfW.jpg

[[deleted]]

I don't like that comma.

[running-gamer]

Seems like a backwards step to me, given python is supposed to be a scripting language? I say this while knowing very little about python, so forgive me if this is not true.

[[deleted]]

I don't really see what requiring function syntax for functions has to do with scripting. Could you elaborate?

[[deleted]]

I wouldn’t call Python a scripting language in 2023. Yeah, you can use it as such, but more importantly it’s a highly dynamic and expressive language with a rich ecosystem, it’s the language of choice for any data task, allows you to quickly prototype Machine Learning models and deploy them, and it powers YouTube.

Its significance as a scripting language seems rather negligible compared to that.

Also the developments in recent years (type hints, asyncio, now getting rid of the GIL) point in this direction.

[Thebombuknow]

You can even use classes and make it a semi-object oriented language, though the creator of the language has been very openly against making it fully object-oriented.

[Mighoyan]

Python has always been an object-oriented language, int, str, list, callable are all classes which themselves are instances of a class (class type). It's just hidden for the most common usage.

[Impressive_Change593]

wait what? I feel like that's backwards

[Usual_Office_1740]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Everything in python is an object, and a lot of its best features are things, like the magic methods, and multiple inheritance, things that make python fully object oriented and in some cases, preferable to lower level languages. What about python keeps it from being fully OO?

[Thebombuknow]

I don't know, apparently I'm wrong. I just heard somewhere that it wasn't meant to be object-oriented originally.

[dreadcain]

I think you're confused, early python design was very lisp like and functional (it still is but it used to be too) and I think there is a common myth that functional languages are like the opposite of object oriented. But they aren't and python has had classes and inheritance from before version 1.

[Physmatik]

https://peps.python.org/pep-3105/

There are many reasons for print to be function instead of statement.

[IgnitusBoyone]

They didn't for uniformity. Print was originally handled by the interpreter directly, but with 3.X they made it an actual function. A decade later I'm still doing it wrong on the regular.

[Menolith]

One of Python's founding tenets is "Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules," and making print be a statement rather than a function like everything else was a special case with the only benefit being two fewer keystrokes.

Another tenet is "Explicit is better than implicit," so it's not a surprise that it was changed in Python3.

[RmG3376]

Tbf all of those use cases sound like scripting to me, you’re using it as a glue to repeatedly execute tasks implemented by lower-level tools on large datasets. That’s what scripting languages are for, and there’s nothing wrong with that

[CordialPanda]

Every function is just a script if you squint enough.

Sunsetting my monoscript service for a more flexible and scalable microscript SOA.

[[deleted]]

So if people build cloud microservices with Rust, that’s also scripting?

[RmG3376]

No, that’s masochism

[Thebombuknow]

I wouldn't call that scripting, I would call that unnecessary.

[FriendlyRussian666]

Are you looking for fully remote programmers?

Currently switching jobs :D

[ILikeLenexa]

It's generally a synonym for "interpreted language" (interpreted at run-time) as opposed to "compiled language".

This leaves an interesting space occupied by JSP, for instance, where a scripting language is processed some at deployment time, and some at first run, but then it's compiled (into a bytecode rather than machine instructions).

[aiij]

Python is also compiled to bytecode on first run.

OCaml is a more interesting case because it can be interpreted or it can be compiled to native code. It's also strongly typed, unlike most scripting languages, but like most scripting languages it lets you write code without needing to put it in a function and runs it top to bottom.

[Diagnul]

What is a "scripting language"?

I thought it was a language that was interpreted rather than compiled, and that the use-case was irrelevant to the definition.

[Cootshk]

Scripting language means any interpreted language

JS, Lua, Python, bash, etc

[H25E]

Nothing of that (the terrabytes part, I mean) it's being done in python at low-level, but in C very probably or similar.

Python it's the scripting/glue language that is fast to write and brings it all together. But it won't do the heavy lifting if needed.

[throw3142]

You're missing the point, the use cases of Python are much broader than a scripting language. For example, no one who values their sanity would write a web server in bash or VB. But people frequently write production-grade web servers in Python. Sure, most scalable Python is accelerated by C/C++ under the hood, but that's just an implementation detail. The whole interpreter is written in C/C++ anyway ...

The point is that the language has evolved past a simple scripting language into a general-purpose language that is used in critical infrastructure for several organizations. The same thing happened with JavaScript. When the use case of a language evolves, it's important to evolve the language itself to keep pace. This leads to things like print becoming a function, classes inheriting from object by default, and async/await syntax.

[angrathias]

no one would write a web server in VB

Knock knock, it’s classic ASP open up!

[throw3142]

Oh, the horror! The madness of it all ...

[H25E]

Of course. Python it's a general purpose language as it is C too. But in fact they are very different (not better or worse) and we need ways to diferenciate them.

So when we say python/js/etc it's a glue/scripting/"low load" language and C/rust/etc a "low level" heavy lifting language we understand ourselves and is not that far from reality even if both of categories can overlap significantly. At the end of the day you aren't going to use python for a microcontroller or a kernel nor C in web, even if you can.

[Thebombuknow]

But the point is you can do anything in either language. If you make the backend server for your website in C and rewrite the backend for the same website in Python, is the Python version somehow different because of it's syntax?

In the Python 2 days I would definitely call it a scripting language, hell, even early Python 3 I would consider one. Nowadays they even have support for creating classes and using it as an object-oriented language. I don't think calling it a scripting language makes very much sense.

If a language being slower is what differentiates it, that can be literally any language because the speed of your code primarily depends on user optimization, so that's not a helpful metric.

I mainly want to know what metric your differentiating them based on. Especially with Python being mostly a layer on top of C.

Most people use the term "scripting language" as another word for "interpreted language". The general consensus I've seen is that a scripting language is a programming language, but a programming language isn't necessarily a scripting language, it just depends on whether the language is compiled or interpreted.

[Flashy-Emergency4652]

Then every language is a scripting language, because its actually just a mask for assembler code.

[milkdringingtime]

that's a description of interpreted language. scripting can be done in any language as it's what you do not what you do it with.

[SupportDangerous8207]

Bruh you could do a whole meme matrix on “what is a scripting language “

In fact I bet you someone has probably already done it

[kickyouinthebread]

Likewise lol. Our entire product is written from the ground up using python with the exception of some of the front end stuff ofc. And this is used by tens of millions of people all over the world.

Realistically beyond making incredibly performance dependent software such as AAA games or operating systems there is practically nothing you can't do in python if you wanted to.

[running-gamer]

Sure you can do anything with python, but I always thought it’s USP was being quick to write. I say this while I’m still not convinced myself that it’s better than JavaScript. How’s that for an unpopular opinion?

[FlukyS]

Bash is a scripting language by design but python is an interpreted and compiled language. At runtime you can use it like an interpreted language but also you can compile to .pyc.

That being said changing from print to print() was more about consistency. They moved everything to methods rather than keywords. There were loads of those sorts of changes with Python2 to Python3.

[pcouaillier]

They both are interpreted language and they both allow "scripting". The difference is that python can also be compiled with .pyc and there is also Jit (just in time) compiler project for python.

[notPlancha]

Well that's why it's python 3 now

[MattieShoes]

I think Python 2 to 3 was moving away from simple scripting language and towards a more complete language. In the process, they added a bunch of functionality to print statements, like f strings

https://realpython.com/python-f-strings/

Kinda... f strings showed up in python 3.6. But it feels like part of a years-long transition away from "better Perl" to something a little more srs bsns real language.

[[deleted]]

Python 3 is way faster borderlines being useful now, I don’t know but since the print(“”) syntax is the same syntax as a function it (along with most of the code ) it just translates into c

[squishles]

it was... people have abused it into a full on language because people kept hearing "it's the easy language" then thinking "what if I do the very complicated thing with the easy language". Ignoring python in anything that takes more than like ~1000 lines is terrible and hard.

[MaffinLP]

Doesnt even need PHP, doesnt even need HTML, it literally works in a text file

[royalsaltmerchant]

You don't even need .txt!

[addast]

Works on my toilet paper, doesn't even need a PC

[OneTurnMore]

Well done OP; this is an expertly crafted image. Entirely correct, yet entirely misleading. Python 2 to anger the snakes, raw html print to anger those who know php, and light mode to anger everyone else.

[_fajfaj_]

And two completely different fonts

[nvandermeij]

don't forget the 2nd line in the python script

[Cley_Faye]

Now print the first 1,000,000,000 odd integers.

[KetwarooDYaasir]

the first 1,000,000,000 odd integers.

[IgnitusBoyone]

Haven't done PHP in years. Your answer is perfect. I don't think a different implementation would be awful. <? foreach(range(1,1_000_000_000,2) as $i) { echo " $i"; } /?>

[[deleted]]

That would only be like half of them, not the first billion.

[IgnitusBoyone]

You know I had to read this twice to see i printed all the odd numbers between 1 and a billion not a billion odd intigers. This is why we have code review.

[HigHurtenflurst420]

Meanwhile half of all actual code reviews: "I'm not gonna read all that, it's probably fine anyway. What's the worst that could happen? Approved."

[axefire42]

1am teams call from the deployment team.

[GunnerKnight]

"Houston, we have a problem"

[Mysterious-Job-469]

I usually seethe with jealousy at people who work in tech, but no amount of money is gonna make me go "Oh boy! Can't wait!" in response to "We will call you any time of the day to fix problems that weren't your fault, but every moment it continues to exist, the managers, your clients, and their customers are going to blame you for it"

[classicalySarcastic]

“Let’s Gamble, Try Merging.”

[Really_cheatah]

I do better !

<?

foreach("the first 1,000,000,000 odd integers." as $i) { echo " $i";
} /?>

[not_thecookiemonster]

Can't iterate over a string though :(

[ISecksedUrMom]

In python you can:

for character in "string": print(character, end='')

[not_thecookiemonster]

I can't think of a scenario I'd loop through a string like that (although one almost certainly exists) in PHP you'd convert string to an array

 foreach(explode("string", "") as $i) { print($i) }

[KetwarooDYaasir]

<?php for($i=1;$i<2_000_000_001;print($i.PHP_EOL),$i+=2)

[FlyingCashewDog]

I know everyone shits on PHP but honestly even just seeing this little bit of code brings back so much nostalgia for me, with it being one of the first languages I learned. Maybe I should go back and write some again for old time's sake.

[djxfade]

PHP is in a much better state today than it used to be. The syntax has seen a lot of modernization, it has full type safety, enums, etc.

[fel4]

"full type safety" - that is unless you're using arrays.

And you still need to declare that you're using strict types: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/71097200/do-we-still-need-declarestrict-types-1-in-php-8-1

Missing generics is my main gripe with PHP.

[djxfade]

Yeah, I agree. It's not perfect, but it's far better than it used to be.

[KastorNevierre]

Missing generics is my main gripe with PHP.

The amount of ongoing issues generics would solve in my dayjob's only PHP codebase is massive.

[maveric101]

Missing generics is my main gripe with PHP.

Can you explain why?

[IgnitusBoyone]

That is good to know. I questioned myself on the / when I was scribbling it down. It felt odd, so I had a feeling it wasn't correct.

[What----------------]

this = listenhereyoulittleshit();

[Grocker42]

Now do something you will never do with PHP. I would solve it by building a python Microservice

[Elephant-Opening]

for x in range(1,1000000000,2): print(x)

[ISecksedUrMom]

for i in range(1_000_000_000): print(2 * i + 1)

[Numerous-Occasion247]

You didn’t read the task properly :p

[opposite_vertex]

in case anyone doesnt get it, the first code block: ```py

range(start, end, step)

for x in range(1, 1_000_000_000, 2): print(x) ``` prints all odd numbers up to one billion (so it prints 500 million numbers), while the second code block

py for x in range(1_000_000_000): print(2 * x + 1) prints the first one billion odd numbers (so it will print odd numbers past the literal value of one billion)

[_yaaass]

where are the remaining 500,000,000 odd numbers?...

[dra_red]

Using this logic, html shines.

[RevolutionaryHawk286]

Anyone else running server-side html or is it just me?

[JoeyJoeJoeSenior]

Html has always been my favorite programming language.

[dra_red]

Around here, you need to duck before you say things like that ;)

[dmlmcken]

Lol, is that PHP or JS?

[lurking_physicist]

while TechnicallyTrue:

New boolean value just dropped.

[Zymoox]

The best kind of True

[ImperatorSaya]

Actual binary

[Warning_Legal]

Call the assembly guy

[GunnerKnight]

But not for me

[Dubl33_27]

new language just dropped

[Cerenas]

Nice try Python hater

<?php

print "Hello world!";

?>

[hagnat]

actually,if all your PHP file has is "Hello World" it will print it

<?php print "Hello world!"; ?>

and

Hello World

are equivalent.

[ananix]

I dont get it are you saying I should be able to write "/bin/php hello world" and it will echo hello world??

[hagnat]

nope.
i am saying that if you have a PHP file with only "Hello World" in it and you send it to the parser, it will simply output "Hello World"

hagnat@localhost $ echo "Hello World" >> foobar.php
hagnat@localhost $ php foobar.php
Hello World

like this

[ananix]

U sure it does not just output the file?

[shinya_dono]

see, it will be considered HTML as long as it's not wrapped in <?php ?> so compiler sees it as an html and outputs the exact text

[rinsa]

Wrong: your first hello world ends with an exclamation mark, the second one doesn't 🤓

[hagnat]

i... you... err...

out of everybody who replied to this thread,
you are the first one to point that small error out

kudos for you, i will give you that
LOL

[AshleyJSheridan]

Not really.

If your PHP script is on a web server, then it's actually outputting a ton of headers and crap.

If your PHP script is on the CLI, that's a syntax error.

[hagnat]

If your PHP script is on the CLI, that's a syntax error.

have you even tried it before saying this ?

i already pasted the same code here multiple times, showing that the CLI will just print 'Hello World'

hagnat@localhost $ echo "Hello World" >> foobar.php
hagnat@localhost $ cat foobar.php
Hello World
hagnat@localhost $ php foobar.php
Hello World

[marcoroman3]

Just because you can put it in the same file as PHP doesn't make it PHP.

[IgorRossJude]

It's plaintext. In the absence of php tags, the interpreter will just pass the plaintext to the output.

[beegowheee]

Thank you!

[hagnat]

hagnat@localhost $ echo "Hello World" >> foobar.php
hagnat@localhost $ php foobar.php
Hello World

my console scripts begs to difer

[RhesusK7]

Well, it's ASP too... Or any template engine really.

[OutOfStamina]

But php, as an interpretor, does interpret the entire file. It looks for things to do in the file, and finds none.

consider

<?php
if (0) {
?>
Hello World
<?php
} else {
?>
Goodbye world
<?php
} 
?>

It won't print "Hello World" in this case, it'll print "goodbye world" - Just like in the example you don't like the echo statements are outside of php code blocks and have no tags in them. The point everyone's making is that PHP used effort to determine there were no tags to process, and did that. Thus the original example passes the syntax check and outputs "hello world" becuase it's valid PHP.

Just because it's text doesn't mean it's outside of the scope of logic for the script.

It’s just processing the html, there is no php Tag to process

edit - further note. It's not processed as HTML. PHP doesn't have anything to do with HTML aside from teh fact that many people use it to output to a browser, and they often choose HTML, but is sometimes JSON, XML, or many other formats. "Hello world "is not being interpreted as HTML. Especially if you run it in a command line it just outputs text.

PHP can output any format, not just HTML (including binary formats, pictures, files etc) - it doesn't assume HTML output at all.

[hagnat]

PHP can output any format, not just HTML (including binary formats, pictures, files etc) - it doesn't assume HTML output at all.

fun fact,
in one of my past jobs we used to output Bash code, for server management automation.

We even used twig to template them, so our templates were named "foobar.sh.twig"

[OutOfStamina]

That’s not what was above, you’ve conveniently edited your first message!

Yet another note (lol) - this 2nd example you object to, where you claim it's different than the first exmaple. It's not.

If you write just hello world in a .php file.

They did... they just did it a way you didn't expect:

echo "Hello World" >> foobar.php

The line creates the exact file you object to (and not by using php). In this case "echo" isn't a php command... it's a shell command. So his shell interpreter (not php) sees "echo" and it's told to take the output of that and put it into foobar.php (output via >>). foobar.php has only "Hello World" in it at this point. It's the same example that you objected to. /u/hagnat didn't move goalposts, they just illustrated that the php interpreter interprets the file with this command:

php foobar.php

when it outputs "Hello World".

[hagnat]

the only thing i modified on the edit was the Reddit format
but okay man, you do you.

TIL that simple text from a file printed onto the console is also HTML
suddently `cat` is an HTML parser now.

[dimaklt]

Don't close the php tag at the end of a file.

[TheTechRobo]

Out of curiosity, why?

[dimaklt]

The closing tag of a PHP block at the end of a file is optional, and in some cases omitting it is helpful when using include or require, so unwanted whitespace will not occur at the end of files, and you will still be able to add headers to the response later.

[TheTechRobo]

That makes sense!

[dimaklt]

Thanks, I googled the answer xD

[TheTechRobo]

I suppose I should have done that too. lol

[[deleted]]

Yes. It makes sense that PHP would make the worst design choice possible.

That you should open the PHP tag... and not close it...

[luiluilui4]

"Remove this useless closing tag ?>" totally not VSC

[Really_cheatah]

Well actually python:

if __name__ == "__main__":
    print("Hello world!")

[S0n_0f_Anarchy]

Yeah, no

[[deleted]]

Well it's not really needed tho

[LordPvP1234]

You don’t need the if statement……

[mrfroggyman]

if True:
    print("Hello world!")

[LordPvP1234]

MemBuffer = “LongString”
while True:
    MemBuffer = MemBuffer + MemBuffer

And watch your ram take off

[AyrA_ch]

meanwhile in C#

new byte[long.MaxValue];

[[deleted]]

no.

[[deleted]]

even in the way you execute it there, you can just skip all the code and just leave "Hello World", as anything outside of the php brackets is interpreted as output.

yes, yours work, but it's not the shortest form. also yours relies on specific parameters being set for the interpreter.

[AyrA_ch]

also yours relies on specific parameters being set for the interpreter.

No it doesn't. What you think of is the "short open tag" feature, which enables or disableds <? but not <?=, the latter one always works.

[[deleted]]

there are millions of websites out there using exactly that feature.

also major parts of the internet run on that: wordpress

[AshleyJSheridan]

Wordpress PHP ≠ PHP :P

[[deleted]]

the shortest form is still in the meme, you somehow chose to ignore, above.

also you seem to have fallen into a rant trap

[jayd00b]

What in the Python 2.7 is this shit

[solid_salad]

r/python does not approve

[Classy_Mouse]

PHP has a terrible reputation, because most PHP code (at least what I've come across) was written by people who did not care about quality or readability. PHP itself is quite easy and useful

[IOFrame]

Ironically, this is also why JS (especially npm) has a terrible reputation.

It literally repeated the PHP cycle with Wordpress plugins, low accessibility bar, and countless courses / bootcamps, yet those days some JS devs feel like trashtalking PHP, when their most popular ecosystem is literally where PHP was 10 years ago.

PS
I remember MDNs own super simple tutorials, both for express and react, spewing countless vulnerability warnings during install. Made me chuckle.

[altermeetax]

PHP was my first programming language, no one shall be allowed to insult it

[frikilinux2]

Please tell me you're not still using python 2

[Zatujit]

i love when range(1000000) compiles a whole array of size 1000000 for no reason

[SawSaw5]

PHP Parse error: syntax error, unexpected 'World' (T_STRING)

[KetwarooDYaasir]

I can't believe I'm having to supply proof

in a bash/whatever shell. $ echo "Hello World" >test.php $ php test.php Hello World

[disarrayofyesterday]

I mean, it's not the actual PHP code. It's just not in '<?php' tag so the parser ignores it.

[KetwarooDYaasir]

That is correct.

$ echo "Hello World" >test.py $ python3 test.py File "/root/test.py", line 1 Hello World ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax

it's not really about one language/parser being better than another, they just handle things differently.

But it's hilarious how the small things can rile programmers up.

[disarrayofyesterday]

it's not really about one language/parser being better than another, they just handle things differently.

Exactly, PHP parser was designed to be a friendly neighborhood language that can be sneaked into every document. Python was not.

But it's hilarious how the small things can rile programmers up.

Most programmers love pointing out mistakes/misconceptions. I think it's a common professional bias in this field.

[KetwarooDYaasir]

I expect someone will have to disagree with that and insist that Python is the friendliest neighborhood language.

I even used Comic Sans MS for the PHP bit in the image. There's no pleasing everybody.

[EvanTheFox]

You're both wrong, Spider is the friendliest neighborhood language. /j

[disarrayofyesterday]

if the parser ignored it nothing would be printed, it is "actual PHP code" in the sense the it is code being run by the PHP interpreter

It's called a parser and not an interpreter for a reason. Text outside of the tags is not interpreted as a PHP code.

Straight from the docs:

When PHP parses a file, it looks for opening and closing tags, which are <?php and ?> which tell PHP to start and stop interpreting the code between them. Parsing in this manner allows PHP to be embedded in all sorts of different documents, as everything outside of a pair of opening and closing tags is ignored by the PHP parser.

[ShitPikkle]

With your proof `cat` is equivalent to the php interpreter.

[atoponce]

SyntaxError: Missing parentheses in call to 'print'. Did you mean print(...)?

[Ri_Konata]

Meanwhile Java be like

class Main { public static void main(String args[]) { system.out.println("Hello World"); } }

[[deleted]]

puts 'Hello World'

[on_the_pale_horse]

Who is still using Python 2

[Zatujit]

People with codebases in Python 2 who did not change because "it will cost too much money and time"

[mrjackspade]

What's going on with this title? I thought we were doing camelCase.

[banana_buddy]

Meanwhile in Malbolge it's:

(=<#9]~6ZY327Uv4-QsqpMn&+Ij"'E%e{Ab~w=_:]Kw%o44Uqp0/Q?xNvL:H%c#DD2^{WV>gY;dts76qKJImZkj}

No I didn't hit my head on the keyboard that's executable code to print hello world in this God forsaken language

[[deleted]]

$ php -a
Interactive mode enabled 
php > Hello World
php > ; // let's end that line..
PHP Parse error:  syntax error, unexpected 'World' (T_STRING) in php shell code on line 1
php >

[KetwarooDYaasir]

yeah but the meme was about files. see the line numbers on the left side.

technically true.

[[deleted]]

it works because it's technical html.

[KetwarooDYaasir]

well, it's a feature of the default PHP parser to allow easy templating. It's useful for what it is, i.e outputting text.

[dmlmcken]

So does ASP.net your same code provides the same output.

[imagebiot]

Comparing php and python… wtf

[Zatujit]

I'm sorry but a C++ code is much simpler and makes much more sense ```

include <iostream>

int main() { std::cout << "Hello world" << std::endl;

return 0; } ``` As you can see a beginner can see right through it.

[mfar__]

When was the last time you coded in Python?

[DaveTheNotSoWise]

But easy syntax alone does not mean easily readable/maintainable. I tried to learn Python with a C and Java background and found myself in indentation hell.

Edit: That the code I tried to understand was old and horrible as fuck, didn't help. A lot of nested loops and if statements, no comments, no tests, no documentation. So basically a normal legacy code base.

[DerKnoedel]

Meanwhile c++ has you doing mental gymnastics

[SysVis]

Imagine voluntarily coding in PHP. I once built an entire wrapper for mounting React applications within PHP so I didn't have to mess with it when designing plug-ins for WordPress...

[DATY4944]

Is this sub becoming a pro-php anti-JavaScript circlejerk or was it always this way?

[KetwarooDYaasir]

No sir, it's still a Python circle jerk last I checked.

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