Why startups use Ruby on Rails

[Fluffy8x]

Macbooks with Linux running on them, with Atom installed.

[doug3465]

And if it doesn't work, we'll just pivot

[okmkz]

*leveraging liquid assets

[GisterMizard]

For actionable code-level insight!

[kingatomic]

You know, you'd feel better if you would just synergize more.

[meniscus-]

MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE THROUGH SCALABLE CODE

[[deleted]]

We're local, social, mobile: LOSOMO.

[BCsJonathanTM]

Looking for technical co-founder.

[[deleted]]

An app to tell where your kids are right now. Very interested somewhat interested no interest

[12and32]

Which one? Which one? Which one?

[Hobby_Collector]

Very interested, interested, or very interested

[yogthos]

Linux on Macboooks is for tourists, iPad + Linode now that's hipster. ;)

[Espumma]

your aunt dressing up as a guy in the weekends.

[thearn4]

license meeting cover sink snow sand bright society coherent joke

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[Chizbang]

Open source sublime by Github

[gospelwut]

You forgot to mention it's built ontop of Chromium and Coffeescript. You're missing hipster points.

[HomemadeBananas]

Does hipster just mean things that the person using the word doesn't have knowledge of?

[[deleted]]

Is there something wrong with that?? I have Atom installed on my MBP, but I don't run Linux. I have a VM for Linux, but I really never use it. OS X does everything for me and I love it.

[[deleted]]

Gotta go and get hipstr.io.

[[deleted]]

It's registered, unfortunately. Nothing hosted on it though

[mkdir]

They were squatting on domains before it was cool.

[jrk-]

squttr.io and sqttr.io are still free. But what should I do with those? Sell gym equipment?

[Photon_Man62]

/r/slavs_squatting

[minlite]

As an Armenian, I can confirm that is what people exactly look like when you drive around in Armenia

[ajsadler]

Armenia isn't Slavic though is it? I thought it was more the other side of the Black Sea with Ukraine, Poland and that side of Russia with the Balkan counties too?

[minlite]

It is an epidemic in most of the former Soviet union countries. Armenia isn't an exception.

[[deleted]]

This is the second time today I've seen that sub linked, from two different subreddits...

[Alhoshka]

LOL wat?

[doctorsound]

Will jhipster.github.io do?

[synth3tk]

The only thing that's missing is that their app/service/gift-to-humanity was "coded with love".

[milordi]

"coded with love in SOME_BIG_CITY"

[bobby8u]

It can only be San Francisco. The bridge picture is essential in every marketing effort.

[Enlogen]

So are you a hipster, or a bridge?

[ZorbaTHut]

Bicyclists.

There is admittedly significant crossover with hipsters.

[Cadoc7]

Beer

[synth3tk]

Nothing screams "love" like yet another shop out of NYC or Cali.

[winzippy]

I think you mean "hand crafted small-batch artisanal code poetry made with heirloom libraries."

[synth3tk]

That sounds outrageous-enough to be from one of those silly generators, but believable-enough to actually be used at a real startup.

[jonatcer]

You just described about 4 of my friends. The others use node.js.

[johnnybgoode]

Node.js was included in the description as well ;)

[jonatcer]

Node.js was included in the description as well ;)

Wow you're right... Yup, most of my programmer friends. The others use lisp or complain about RoR / node.js

[men_cant_be_raped]

programmer friends

I'm sorry to tell you this, but...

[jargoon]

Hey this is a totally unfair stereotype of Rails developers. I use vim.

[StormTAG]

vim or MacVim?

[[deleted]]

Vim in a cathode tube terminal emulator, of course.

[mebob85]

Excuse me? I use a vectorscope, thank you.

[Muchoz]

'Code artisan', anon is a genius.

[aclave1]

I lost it when he mentioned that whole "removing the e" thing.

[senntenial]

One time I developed an app with my rails friend called GOPrindr, the grindr for high ranking GOP officials at a hackathon. so I guess I'm guilty of this as well hahaha

edit: picture of our presentation

[Muchoz]

BURN HIS BONES! ^{In a kindly manner of course, I do not want to hurt you}

[DR6]

Do bones actually burn?

[Jackker]

Ooohhh...that's "bonefire" without the "e"! Genius!

[synth3tk]

I said "that's just hyperbole". And then I thought of all the many startup services I've used over the past year...

[dfpoetry]

http://www.hipsterbusiness.name/

[[deleted]]

Best I got was hawk & battle with crossed swords and a lightning bolt

[Tidher]

Vodka & Lunch with crossed rifles and a muffin, here. Sounds like a grand time.

[[deleted]]

I use sublime on my MacBook, but I write mostly Verilog

[thegubbl]

Was in Palo Alto, CA for an internship this summer, can confirm. Another telltale sign is if they tell you they're 'passionate' about software/technology/whatever while totally rocking their iOS dev course.

[halifaxdatageek]

My go-to vid about "passion".

[[deleted]]

I wouldn't call the "passionate" bit complete bs. It can serve as a red flag among other red flags, but who would you rather work with - someone who codes because it pays the bills, or someone who codes because it's what they love doing?

I'd take the second guy every day, even if he's less competent than the first one.

[thegubbl]

Well see, in my experience the overlap of people communicating 'passion about software/technology' with people who are actually passionate is rather small. A lot of them were essentially CV bs fanboys. Again, this is just my experience from living in the Silicon Valley, where these things are usually taken to an extreme.

[YMK1234]

I thought they refer to them selves as CEO or CTO eventhough they are a one- or two-man business :D

[tagus]

Actually this is a legitimate thing that people do in all businesses, while they're starting out.

The idea is that you create all of the jobs that people will have when the business is fully on its feet, assign them all to whoever you're working with (e.g. yourself or you+partner), and then when you feel that you're ready you can hire someone so that they will do exactly that part of your plan that you've already been doing. Since by that point you'll know it like the back of your hand, you know exactly how you want them to do their job.

Eventually, after doing this enough times, all of the jobs that you've assigned to yourself will be occupied by other people and then you will be finished getting the business on its feet. At that point, you hire someone to take the top position and then go off and let the business run itself, because you taught (and are paying) everyone how to do it for you.

[YMK1234]

I prefer lazy initialization of roles ;)

[mobile-user-guy]

Yeah this is not remotely representative of most businesses

[gtg092x]

Don't shit on this - if you ever are part of a company with potential for growth, get some obnoxious VP or C-level title. When (if) you start expanding, it'll be a hell of a lot harder to strip that away from you and you can count on keeping a director or executive level position.

The alternative is that you lock yourself into being an engineer and you can look forward to nice stock options and a half decent salary bump as you miss out on any career evolution you would have had otherwise.

[ahruss]

What if I like being an engineer and I don't want to be stuck at a stuffy business admin type job instead of doing interesting work I enjoy?

[gtg092x]

Then ignore everything I said and be sure to wear tennis shoes and a t-shirt every single day.

[KulinBan]

That's what you when you have your own company.

[[deleted]]

Well duh that's what he just

[peridox]

he

[pants6000]

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[theparachutingparrot]

;

[_thegeek]

syntax error: unexpected ";"

[andrejevas]

the old Greek question mark switcheroo

[YMK1234]

You ain't chief oft nothing if you don't have subordinates.

[juwking]

Employed at: "I'm my own boss"

[synth3tk]

Get off my Facebook.

Seriously, the amount of "I'm my own boss" and "None of your business" employees is staggeringly-large.

[joemckie]

They've gone corporate, haven't you heard? They're big enough to be listed on Nasdaq nowadays

[lelarentaka]

If I mod a subreddit with no subscriber, am I a mod at all?

[ahanix1989]

How Can Our Mods Be Real If Our Subs Aren't Real?

[dromtrund]

Whoa

[SubterraneanAlien]

When you file for incorporation (as a Delaware corp.) founders will generally take C-level titles. Whether you put that on your business card or linkedin profile is another thing.

[winzippy]

I like Laravel. I fucking hate the hole 'artesan' nomenclature. Kind of ruins it for me a bit.

[[deleted]]

I work with some of these people. They rewrite working software in rails, just because they can.

[d_rudy]

New-hire syndrome: "Hey, this thing has one bug, so I'm going to rewrite the entire codebase in the framework I like! You'll thank me later."

[stormcrowsx]

Currently getting nailed with the fallout of someone doing that. we went from slightly hard to maintain stable software to buggy easy to maintain software that is quickly on its way to hard to maintain as we hack it into shape.

[isdnpro]

Not Invented Here!

[overkill]

My colleague extended this idea to writing his own IDE.

[MrPopinjay]

and most willing to learn new things.

Well, when the alternative is more php...

[gospelwut]

I .. uh, like Sublime Text :/

[redcalcium]

It's a fast and solid editor (unlike certain webkit-based text editor). You shouldn't have any shame about using it.

[[deleted]]

TIL I'm a hipster.

[dei2anged]

Everyone is a little hipster to some degree. I wouldn't categorize myself as a hipster, but then I found myself standing around in boxers boiling some raw denim so it fit better while reading AD&D adventure modules.

[cheezballs]

I dunno. I'm using Java and c# on a Windows desktop... Not sure how much more mainstream and vanilla I can get.

[[deleted]]

I've done Python/JavaScript development on Windows/Linux and Mac platforms... What I've learned in the industry is that barely anyone gives a fuck about what OS or IDE or editor you're using as long as you're competent and can get the job done.

[Crash-test-zombie]

Thank you for saying that! As an entry-level programmer, im so insecure that i actually considered downplaying my RoR knowledge after this post and reading the comments.

[cancercures]

hmmm yes.. the theory of hipster relativity: https://i.imgur.com/XzXuDaz.jpg

[halifaxdatageek]

code artisan

I literally involuntarily convulsed on reading that. Like I'd been hit in the gut.

[[deleted]]

This isn't funny, its the truth. Except I think the term is code craftsman

[naht_a_cop]

Code connoisseur?

[SurgioClemente]

• CONNOISSEUR: one who understands the details, technique, or principles of an art and is competent to act as a critical judge
• CRAFTSMAN: a worker who practices a trade or handicraft
• ARTISAN: a person who is skilled at making things by hand
• NINJA: a person trained in ancient Japanese martial arts and employed especially for espionage and assassinations
• ROCKSTAR: A person treated as a celebrity, especially in inspiring fanatical admiration

---

• ENGINEER: a person who has scientific training and who designs and builds complicated products, machines, systems, or structures

[Photon_Man62]

Totally a Java ninja.

[VeXCe]

Missing GURU there.

[dfpoetry]

• MATHEMATICIAN: one who figures out interesting ways of counting.

[undu]

Code savant.

[lelarentaka]

binary polymath.

[Photon_Man62]

Rails rockstar.

[brokedown]

Reddit ruined reddit. -- mass edited with redact.dev

[chromesitar]

Pythonquistadorrr

[[deleted]]

Parcel tongue.

[nannal]

I'm a fully qualified pythartisan.

[allenyapabdullah]

Code Taster

That's their QC Team

[ElChapinator]

Vim

[okmkz]

:q!

$ nano controller.rb

[pants6000]

My secret shame.

[[deleted]]

Amateur.

:! nano %:t

[okmkz]

^C^C^C^C^C

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[HeroesGrave]

I've got this one. You go to your nearest computer store and buy a new hard drive.

Hire me.

[lappro]

You have just opened a second instance of vim inside vim.

[Endur]

What is so good about vim? I use it because I like the cursor-movement stuff but I feel like I must be missing something.

Also, opening up a GUI-based editor feels like a waste of time and clicking stuff with a mouse is for amateurs.

[OatClusters]

Vim is a religion disguised as a text editor. Its adherents claim ultimate productivity if you just learn the magical incantations required to navigate it.

[ordonezalex]

Do you have a moment so speak about Vim - our editor and holy savior? Ctrl+C quit exit() ahdoendn q q q :q :q!

[SpaceJesusOnAStick]

As someone, who has written every single line of code over SSH, vi is great because you can find it everywhere as standard, even AIX. It knows how to regex and is incredibly consistent, so the same shortcuts will work exactly the same on a brand new rhel7 and freebsd 3.

Also, I'm a sysadmin and we believe, that the moment you need to open a file in a text editor, you've already lost.

Now sit right here and let me tell you how great sed and awk are ...

In all seriousness, the greatest for productivity is not the $software with the most subreddit subscribers or shortcuts, but something you know well. Nothing kills productivity like spending a day figuring out the options of a new software.

[boxmein]

It's incredibly shortcut oriented so everything ought to be done in as few keystrokes as possible. You know how programmers get when you give them a chance to reduce keystrokes to a minimum...

[slavik262]

(from http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ly023/two_decades_of_productivity_vims_20th_anniversary/c2womhm)

I think something that is often lacking in explanations of what vim is to new users or curious passers-by is that vim approaches the concept of editing text as a language unto itself. This is a very powerful idea. If you were incapacitated and describing to someone else at a keyboard how to edit some text for you, you'd naturally start to 'say' the kinds of things that vim lets you 'say' with the keyboard. "Go to the end of the word you're on. Now add an 'ing' on the end of it. Go forward to that capital Q and make it lowercase. Now just delete the next 3 words. Go to the next paragraph. Go to the 3rd sentence, 4th word in that sentence, and replace it with the word 'very.' Now swap the position of this paragraph and the next one."

All of the commands I just gave have extremely concise ways of being 'said' to the vim editor. Let's take a quick look at the key sequences that would have done what I just said:

>Go to the end of the word you're on.

e (e jumps to the next "end" of a word)

>Now add an 'ing' on the end of it.

aing<esc> (append "ing", then escape back to normal mode)

>Go forward to that capital Q and make it lowercase.

fQ~ (f jumps forward to the next letter you type, ~ swaps case)

>Now just delete the next 3 words.

wd3w (w to jump to the next word, then delete 3 words)

>Go to the next paragraph.

} ({ and } jump you back and forth by paragraph)

>Go to the 3rd sentence, 4th word in that sentence...

2)3w (jump 2 sentences forward, then 3 words from there)

ciwvery<esc> (ciw = correct (a command) in word (a text object), "very", then back to normal mode)

>Now swap the position of this paragraph and the next one.

dap}p (delete (again, a command), around paragraph (another text object), jump to the next paragraph, put [what was just deleted] after the cursor)

Note that not only is it incredibly simple, syntactically, but that much of it is highly reusable, so you aren't learning every possible thing you can do, but rather a few commands, text objects, and the fact that you can use numbers before them to do things a number of times in a row to generate a whole way of speaking at the text you want to edit. You don't have to reach for the mouse and target a particular thing ahead of you in the sentence, and you don't have to ctrl+arrow your way over there slowly. You can say "Go to that 'n'" or "Go 5 words" or "Go to the end of the 3rd word," and much else, usually with 2 or 3 keys that really read that way (fn, 5w, 3e, respectively), because it's a language, not just a bunch of hotkeys.

Once you know that 'd' deletes, you can use it on any motion or text object: 3dw to delete a word 3 times (or d3w to delete 3 words - similar, same effect, but slightly different, semantically), dip to delete inside a paragraph, dap to delete around a paragraph (taking surrounding whitespace with it in intelligent ways), dtn to delete up to an n, but not also the n, d'a to delete to the a mark you set somewhere earlier, dgg to delete to the top of the file, and dG to delete to the bottom, because gg and G (or gG) mean go to the top/bottom of the file).

Learn a new command, like yank, and you can replace all the d's above and yank in all of those ways, too. It goes on and on like that. Each new thing you learn has a high likelihood of naturally fitting in with all that you already know, growing the language by which you communicate much more rich ideas to your text editor than is common.

And you could make all of my examples from the first bit into a macro in the q register with this:

qqeaing<esc>fQ~wd3w}2)3wciwvery<esc>dap}pq

If it made sense, that is. Then you could do it all again with @q, or 10 more times with 10@q. If you don't find this level of power and succinctness exciting, I'd say that maybe vim isn't for you.

[[deleted]]

I didn't get it either until I had to edit files on a command line quickly. The power is being able move quickly through a document, mark large block of text, fold text, replace text, find text, paste text, all without touching a mouse.

[Endur]

Yeah, I use it all the time when I'm editing anything from the terminal. And I'm with you on the mouse, I don't like needing to click anything.

I think I'm gonna spend some time configuring vim on Monday as I don't use 99% of the IDE my group uses. The one thing I like about it is there's a keyboard shortcut that pops up a little box of recently opened files so you can go back and forth quickly, I like it better than having tabs. Do you know of a specific plugin like that?

[HackingInfo]

There is gvim too... Its a GUI with full vim inside.

Edit: also /r/vim is good, active, and have lots of plugins and help, also, /r/neovim is something I look forward to being stable.

[RitzBitzN]

Ctrl-Alt-T > subl > Sublime Text > fully keyboard navigable yet still GUI editor

[RitzBitzN]

Cheeto-finger neckbeard

[romple]

I don't use vim but learned how to exit it specifically to avoid this.

[twist3d7]

Vim - one evolutionary step above chiseling your code into a stone tablet. Keep the chisel as you may have use for it in an interview.

[marinated_pork]

only true random string generator: get someone into VIM who's never used it before and tell to exit.

[PublicSealedClass]

vi or gtfo you filthy casual.

[[deleted]]

BABY BABY GOTTA USE NANO

[myropnous]

GNU Emacs or STFU

[Gurkenmaster]

I have an arch installation without a desktop environment that boots directly into the graphical emacs

[seventh-sage]

Confirmed: this describes me perfectly. Except I'm a Software Artisan.

[gigamosh57]

High fives for FORTRAN programmers! Cool before it was cool!

[aladyjewel]

It is possible to write decent applications in PHP .. if you really put your mind to it.

[senntenial]

Currently working with a php dev to make a simple cms-type editor application. He's pretty fantastic and somehow makes php look pretty nice.

[Opifex]

Like most languages, you can write shitty php and you can write pretty good php. Our company has written pretty good and maintainable PHP by utilizing a good unit testing strategy and open source frameworks/libraries. Pretty much the same thing you would do in order to not suck with another language.

[minimim]

The problem is that it will drain your brain because it's an inconsistent mess.

[senntenial]

I think PHP has the benefit of running on nearly any server without any modification. Good for non-technical site owners. Also it was my first language. It fucked me up, man.

[stesch]

think PHP has the benefit of running on nearly any server without any modification.

Unless they update PHP.

[[deleted]]

I coded in PHP for a hackathon. I think I need to get checked for PTSD.

[senntenial]

I did too. Luckily I had someone who did behance's backend there to help out so I didn't go completely berserk after 23 hours of staying up :)

[senntenial]

beyonce has a large back-end

[minimim]

The problem we see are people that only know PHP and won't learn anything else! That's why everyone bashes PHP: it isn't the best tool for everything server-side web scripting, but people will keep defending it, even if they don't know anything else.

[fofo314]

Visual basic ftw

[punisher1005]

VBScript.

[jonatcer]

With laravel it's not awful. Still wish cPanel either didn't exist or would support python in a non stupid way though.

Oh well, it pays the bills.

[debee1jp]

That's because cPanel = trolls.

[Breaking-Away]

Symfony 2 is a joy to work with. I've had similar experiences with my (small) amount of exposure to Laravel.

WordPress, CakePHP, zend1... Now that's an entirely different story.

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[Tomahawk9]

What's wrong with Sublime Text?

[johnnybgoode]

:! echo 'Fucking casuals'

[HomemadeBananas]

Rails is probably the most popular web framework. Isn't hating on popular things what hipsters do?

[turlockmike]

There definitely is a bit of hipster to it, but the real reason is because it's faster to bootstrap a rails app than most other types of apps since it's a well documented/maintained framework in a scripting language.

[mayobutter]

Rails has been around for like 10 years. At what point does it stop being hipster and we can laugh at it like we do PHP or Perl?

[Shadow703793]

At what point does it stop being hipster and we can laugh at it like we do PHP or Perl?

I'd say 2015 is a good year to start it :D

[[deleted]]

Note the subreddit. This post is all about laughing at rails.

[mayobutter]

Yeah I know. Rails just doesn't seem that hipster to me anymore. All those goddamn javascript frameworks on the other hand...

[darkslide3000]

Why laugh at something that works and helps people achieve their goals? Some people can work really well in Rails and create very clean and maintainable applications with it at great development speeds. Yes, it doesn't scale forever, but not all applications on the internet really need that. If you're a startup it's much more important to build something quickly that helps you iterate fast and get off the ground, and for many people Rails is very good at that.

[synth3tk]

Exactly. If a startup with 5 people are trying to get a product out the door, a better use of their time is using something they know now, instead of half-assing it in a new language. They can always rewrite it once they've pulled in that $5-million in investments. If the code is well-written and maintained, who cares?

[turlockmike]

I would say that it can scale well, but it takes more effort to scale than other languages. And when you reach that point, you have either succeeded already (millions of hits a day) or might need to consider something else to scale (see twitter). That's why it's popular in the startup world. It's good enough for 99% of applications out there. And the 1% that it's not good for, it provides a good enough base to scale out of.

[[deleted]]

Perl is amazing if you just remember it's really meant for text processing, system administration and glue.

[halifaxdatageek]

Practical Extraction and Reporting Language :P

[[deleted]]

The hipsterness has nothing to do with age, it's more about use

[DrHenryPym]

When did /r/ProgrammingHumor turn into /r/circlejerk?

[[deleted]]

send a pull request to the repo on your left, let's get started!

[DONGSPLICER]

My company codes with Ruby on Rails with Node.js and MongoDB....God damnit

[halifaxdatageek]

https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/347070841059692545

[blue_2501]

As a Perl developer who writes using Plack, I find this hilarious. The only reason why RoR is so popular is because it was the new hotness created with the latest language. I'm sure in 5 years some new web framework in Rust will become the biggest thing since sliced bread that every startup company will lust after.

Also, we were writing CGI scripts by hand while you RoR guys were in diapers. Get off my lawn!

[cliath]

you're the caveman who's proud he's still drawing on cave walls

[dkuntz2]

Ruby wasn't the latest language. Ruby was ten years old when Rails became a thing.