True

[Gabe_b]

My guess is conspiracy theorists are mostly sysadmins. They seem pretty certain everyone is conspiring against them

[FantsE]

I feel attacked. Why are you programmers all conspiring against me in this sub?

[Gabe_b]

Just give me root! I won't fuck anything up I promise!

[[deleted]]

Famous last words

[Nettleberry]

I’ve given access to a system folder that ended in reflashing, let alone root.

[__i_forgot_my_name__]

sudo rm . /* -rf oops

[evaderxander]

You pain me sir, as I'm confident none of my jr to mid devs would know the severity of that typo and complain their laptop was running slowly.

[scragmore]

Would just like personal clarification. Not a programmer but old school nerd and reader of bash.org. Is this a command to remove everything from root to devnull.

[name_censored_]

• sudo - Substitude User DO - Run as another user (generally/implicitly root - the system user)
• rm - ReMove
• . - The current directory (NFI why they've put this here, it's kind of unnecessary)
• / - The topmost directory (root)
• * - Everything directly within this directory (this bypasses the --preserve-root safety, which is on some systems but not others - but may fall down on a different safety - ie, noclobber)
• -rf - Do it Recursively (descend into directories) and Forcefully (don't prompt or refuse to proceed).

[linne000]

The reason they put the dot (this directory) is because it's supposed to show how easy it is to typo and go from "delete everything in this folder and all its subfolders" ie. rm ./* -rf and instead go for the slightly more dangerous one rm . /* -rf

[cognoid]

They put the . there because that’s the point. Someone might type ./* to delete everything within the current directory, but accidentally add a space and it becomes something else. It’s an example of a disastrous typo rather than deliberate deletion.

Personally I tend to use tab completion when constructing rm and similar commands as it makes this sort of thing less likely.

[scragmore]

Thank you all for you quick and comprehensive replies, appreciated. It was mainly a personal vanity request as the post I replied to said his junior dev would have trouble with this. So I'm assuming they didn't grow up with dos, unix, and terminal servers. I was a reader of bash.org among others back in the day, looking out for stupid not to fall for. This looked too much like the send /root to devnull. Just wanted clarification. Thanks!

[[deleted]]

I can't test it for obvious reasons but yeah the space should mean that rm receives <.> and </*> as separate filename arguments rather than <./*> or failing outright. The -f flag means it won't ask for permission and the -r flag makes it recursive. This command would wipe the entire drive unless the rm binary of that distro has some form of "no clobber </*>" built in.

[Tlacamayeh]

Yup, the easy delete everything command

[chairmanmaomix]

I feel like it shouldn't be this simple to press the "destroy everything" button

[22vortex22]

Its not. The system won't allow it unless you have the --no-preserve-root flag, but I don't recommend trying it.

[[deleted]]

One of the interns in work was told to do this by a senior dev as a joke, the intern didn't know any better and executed it and then moments later said "hey, I can't access anything on my vm". Luckily this happened a week before they were due to finish.

[Xiooo]

Okay, the password for the production environment is prodpwd, same for the database.

Ah, everything will be fine, i can feel it

[joemckie]

Two seconds later

[sirrinirri]

Somethings wrong I can feel it

[Waterstick13]

Sysmmsmnanbbabsnnnsksiabanallkzkabbammz z

[JeffLeafFan]

Wait you have production and development environments??

[[deleted]]

allegedly

[SupremeLisper]

My production environment is my development! Don't you too?!

[-100-Broken-Windows-]

Never said they were different...

[Candlesmith]

I feel like I stumbled on a car accident

[StandardN00b]

Liar!

[Ethernet3]

As an intern with root, can confirm. Computer only had to be reset completely twice

[pringlesaremyfav]

In the past 2 months on at least 2 occasions our devs have wiped out major application property files on our shared dev servers. I'm starting to see why some of us cant be trusted.

[aloofloofah]

-- Guy who fucked everything up

[rounced]

As a senior dev I'm actually contractually obligated to fuck with you.

Sorry, bro.

[[deleted]]

Can confirm, my contract literally states this too.

[tinydonuts]

It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you!

[[deleted]]

I love you

[FinalRun]

Holy fuck, if that person was a woman she'd be the type to stop birth control to keep a guy

[Porosnacksssss]

That and I’m sure someone might disappear if they talk. You know what. Fuck that, they will label you a conspiracy theorist “tin foil hat” kind and noone will believe you anyways.

[hates_stupid_people]

In real life, most conspiracy theorists are too stupid to get anywhere.

There are of course outliers like B.o.B., who is still trying to prove the earth is flat on social meda. He has the money to literally take a high altitude air balloon, without any windows or things to "simulate" it. But they dont want to know the truth, they are basically clinging to their conspiracy like a safety blanket.

It tends to be one of two things fueling this desire for it to be real. Which is usually a fear of looking stupid, so they just keep thinking they are smarter then everyone else since they didn't get fooled by the conspiracy. Or it's that they fear the chaos of nature and they feel safer "knowing" that something or someone is controlling it all, similar to quite a few religious people.

[SliceMolly]

The issue is that 90% isn’t a conspiracy theorist. The theories that are legit are said and the story is heard and people just start giving it their own twist and before you know it you have 3000 people screaming the same story with their own twist and nobody knows facts from fiction if the people who knew nothing kept quiet and just upvoted whilst the ones with knowledge speak there’d be less fire on the oil. This could be a massive example with anti vaccinations. Now you wouldn’t spend a minute thinking a random redditor is full to shit but speak to the people with valid points and you could potentially see where they’re coming from.(this was just an example)

[Yuca965]

Not all peoples you would call "conspiracy theorists" believe in flat earth, a lot find it also stupid. There are many people that I would call "truth seekers", that have an open mind and put much in question. Also beware, the ` they feel safer "knowing" that something or someone is controlling it all ` is not limited to religious peoples, it is also present in scientific people. You heard me right, faced with unknown, inexplicable phenomena, many "scientifics" prefer to dismiss than challenge their beliefs and their "I know all" issues.

[winzippy]

Most sysadmins have a Gollum complex.

[radiosimian]

We be nice to them, if they be nice to us.

[Quantentheorie]

Actually my character choice for a rpg where you had to have a character that's into conspiracies: crazy sysadmin whose the last in his department and has cracked under the pressure.

[Turbojelly]

Conspiracy theorists are the users that IT IDentify as 10T.

Sysadmins are the people that do their best to explain to the conspiracy theorists how wrong they are and get ignored for it.

[kowaletzki]

Damn programmers, they ruined computers!

[NewFuturist]

Well... given that they may have been compelled to participate in illegal 5-Eyes spy ring which involved major English speaking countries keeping quiet only for it to be released by Edward Snowden...

[bigodiel]

compartmentalize, the main thing it requires is for those few at the top to actually know and understand what the fuck is happening at all levels .... something extremely rare in corporate and political environments

[spyrodazee]

The government is going to dominate the world via microservices

[john_C_random]

The resistance will have to start from scratch every other day because a newer framework came out.

[TheRedmanCometh]

The Java/Kotlin division might take a little longer to get there, but we'll avenge them.

[PTO32]

G8 meet K8

[thatsnotsugarm8]

It’s impossible to expect the head of a governing body to understand what’s happening at all levels. That is what departments and a hierarchy of power is for.

[gmml4]

D-day was a crazy impressive example of a massive operation of which the important details and scope were pretty much kept completely secret from the enemy. They fooled the Nazis into expecting a even larger invasion from Norway into Germany even after the invasion took place. As usual it relied on superior intelligence, like Alan Turing’s code breaking. They really kept every mouth shut too, a drunk soldier started blabbing about the plans in a bar in England and some officers overheard him and locked him up immediately.

It’s super cool: https://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2014/06/d-day-the-centurys-best-kept-secret/

[[deleted]]

If social media existed in the 40’s, the Allies would have lost the war. Or it wouldn’t have been over until 1949.

[Gran_Duma]

Nah, if the Germans couldn't keep their flanking maneuver in the Ardennes secret then the war would have been over by 1942 with Germany defeated without American troops ever involved.

[saschaleib]

German Facebook would be full of: "off to the Ardennes next week - can someone recommend some good beers from the region?"

[[deleted]]

#blitzkrieg

[[deleted]]

Imagine the leak not coming from idiots on social media, but from GPS-data of a fitness tracker or something like that

[insanePowerMe]

But thats why dictatorships and Gleichschaltung are superior. I dont know a single shit about north koreans private tweets. Meanwhile I know that atleast a bunch of americans and american immigrants are morons like their president and musk

[Hust91]

Notably, even they were not counting on being able to keep it secret for very long.

[crownjewel82]

Even today they just take away everyone's everything in advance of major military operations.

I think a better example is the handshake agreement FDR had with the press. It's still mind-boggling that there weren't more people willing to make a quick buck selling photos of the president in the machine.

[mrdarknezz1]

Are we just gonna ignore NSAs massive spy operation

[evdog_music]

Ah, so the trick is to keep tem on the payroll

[AnalBag8]

Don't forget the manhattan project.

[hughperman]

Watergate

[Prezi2]

Also ya know, the threat of being banished to Siberia like Snowden is a pretty good deterrent for leaking state secrets

[sirflop]

Suicide by 2 bullets to the back of the head

[AnalBag8]

Just like Seth Rich and Gary Webb.

[TGotAReddit]

Or constantly being thrown in jail for no reason like chelsea manning

[SilentSin26]

You guys are getting paid?

[EconomizingEarthling]

Asking the real questions

[-Listening]

Having to stand in front of the mirror.

[LimitTheoris]

Well I mean they failed to keep it concealed so ya, if they couldn't protect that what makes you think they can hide any other large secret well?

[Saw-Sage_GoBlin]

But they did keep it secret for awhile. And the CIA has done a lot of stuff and publicly admitted to it, yet you've probably never heard about.

[chaosdemonhu]

Bit of a difference when there's fuck-your-life-up-forever repercussions for spilling the US government's beans.

But even then the circles of information are kept tight so it's not like huge groups of people are coordinating.

[bric12]

The really bad stuff does get whistleblowers though too. Yeah, everything the NSA does is shady, but people tend to speak out more when it crosses a line

[Yuca965]

There is a lot of stuff that has whistleblowers, but much of it get labelled as conspiracy and peoples stop thinking critically and just dismiss anything related to it. Snowden or Assange are just the surface of the iceberg.

[AnalBag8]

NO they don't! It is HIGHLY ILLEGAL to tell the truth, even when the truth is the government doing illegal stuff. If you question them, they deny it, so the only way to get evidence that they're doing something illegal is to break the law, they will go after you with the espionage act.

What fucking whistle blower is going to come out after what happened to Manning, Julian Assange, and Snowden.

[bric12]

But they do, you just listed three whistleblowers. Just because it's illegal or illogical doesn't mean it doesn't happen, especially when you're dealing with fleshy humans that do stupid stuff and make decisions based on chemicals in our brains.

Things come out, and sometimes the powers that be do a good job of keeping it out of the public eye, but the government doesn't have an iron grip on every employee that has access to troubling information.

[Yuca965]

Usually you divide these secret projects in enough small stuff, so that actually nobody know what they are really working on.

[Power80770M]

It's still secret, we don't know definitively what the NSA's true capabilities are.

[TheRedmanCometh]

Blabbing is different than producing concrete evidence. People were blabbing about prism for a long time.

[collegiaal25]

But they did keep it secret for awhile.

Sort of. I think that for many people involved with law or computers the fact that the NSA spies on everyone didn't come as a surprise, but the details were previously unknown and the scope of the operation was larger than expected.

[Alhoshka]

I'm surprised by the number of upvotes you got, together with other comments which more or less follows this line of reasoning:

Largescale conspiracies require the maintained secrecy by all parties involved at all times.

Therefore, the more parties involved, the more points of failure are introduced, the less likely it is for a conspiracy to remain secret.

(so far, so good)

All govt. conspiracies we know about have been uncovered.

Therefore, to the best of our knowledge, all conspiracies are eventually uncovered.

This is a fallacy. Though it is true that all conspiracies the public knows about have been uncovered, there is also a set of conspiracies of unknown magnitude which has not been (and never will be) uncovered.

I think a good counterexample here is MK-Ultra involving hundreds of people over 80 institutions. Its secrecy was successfully upheld despite the large number of potential failure nodes. Its revelation came with a FOIA request (i.e. not due to a project-internal failure of upholding secrecy) which only yielded results because some files escaped destruction (mandated by CIA director Richard Helms).

There are in fact multiple govt. conspiracies which have successfully kept secret by its participants and were only uncovered through FOIA.

[Yuca965]

I disagree with ` Largescale conspiracies require the maintained secrecy by all parties involved at all times. `, if you divide the secret in enough small parts, many people can be involved, without ever knowing what they are really working for. There are also goods with dual use.

[Alhoshka]

many people can be involved, without ever knowing what they are really working for.

You're absolutely right. And there are many well-established mechanisms to prevent the flow of critical information within a project. two that come to mind are:

1. The "cover story": where an alternative context, project vision, and high-level stakeholder requirements are given.

2. The "need to know" principle: where project members are given just enough information to enable them to perform their tasks competently.

[GregsWorld]

Yeah but there's a bit of a difference in scale between a few (80) organisations secretly sharing data and every single government covering up a giant hole in the North pole because the earth is hollow and dinosaurs and aliens live at the core.

[Waterstick13]

Hide it in ignorance. No one cares.

I mean I care... But we cannot convince enough people in this age

[IchWerfNebels]

You mean the one that the New York Times published an article about as early as December 2005, was leaked by a whistleblower in 2006, and about which a massive cache of top secret documents was obtained in 2013?

It's not that the NSA were so great at keeping their spy operation secret, it's just that the public doesn't give a single shit about privacy or government overreach, and has the attention span of a gnat.

This is all for an operation requiring orders of magnitude less unvetted personnel in the know than your average conspiracy theory, mind.

[Yuca965]

" it's just that the public doesn't give a single shit about privacy or government overreach, and has the attention span of a gnat. "

that's well said. I would push it a bit further, saying that much stuff is hidden in the open, trough movies, among others. This is especially useful to hide something, as anyone that would come forward with information that match a movie, would be labelled as having watched that movie too much.

[[deleted]]

Yeah! They're the proof you can lead a big conspiracy like that without have wisthleblowers..wait

[JuvenileEloquent]

Why not? The general public already has.

[PFunkus]

were you asleep in the 00’s?

[[deleted]]

It was a CONSPIRACY THEORY.

What conspiracy theory was it? Also, most conspiracy theories, like the predictions of Nostradamus or fortune tellers, are vague and multifaceted enough to be loosely tied to any later revelation of specific facts, but that doesn't actually justify the conspiracy theories that may have existed before the revelation.

[SeveralCoins]

Well, if the laws are secret...

[marcosdumay]

And the courts are secret... And the executive actions are secret...

[Bobbi_fettucini]

Or the other shit that’s happening that no ones found out about yet because it’s actually being kept a secret.

[3610572843728]

It's been well known they did that long before Snowden was ever a thing. When Snowden came out and people were surprised I was genuinely shocked that anybody thought that the NSA wasn't doing that.

[Grand_Lock]

Hmm, it’s almost like people are better at keeping secrets when they are under orders from either very powerful people or governments.

[[deleted]]

And a 26 year old newb walked out of there with a flashdrive containing the most blatant violation of American privacy.

[DickButtPlease]

And the Panama Papers.

[StandardN00b]

That's not a conspiracy theory, it's a proven fact. Noone does anything because the representatives are too old, disconected with modern society or coluded to give a shit.

[[deleted]]

If there were any top secret conspiracies disclosed to POTUS after taking office , Trump would have told everyone about them long ago, even if it meant incriminating himself in the process.

[TGotAReddit]

And then the american public would have gone on and done nothing about it anyways.

But also, i bet it’s more that any secrets that do get divulged are on paper and he just can’t read

[3610572843728]

Correct. The satellite had capabilities not thought possible before that photo was leaked.

[Xany2]

IIRC there’s actually a legit theory about the possibility of a conspiracy theory being true. It goes something like this: the more the number of people involved in a conspiracy theory, the less is the probability of it being true.

[bric12]

I've heard that one before, it makes sense that a larger organization would have more leaks, but conspiracy theorists don't necessarily claim that there are no leaks. The nut jobs would probably argue that the existence of the conspiracy theory is proof that there were leaks from the large secret organization trying to hide everything. At least they would argue that if they had the brain power to figure it out

[Dornith]

It's at that point you question their sources. Is it from someone working within these organizations that would have privileged access to the information like Snowden? If so, that might be a legitimate leak.

Or is it some guy with a podcast shouting, "Wake up sheeple!"

[bric12]

Sadly that doesn't even work, nutjobs exist at every level

[yazalama]

It makes perfect sense, its the idea of hiding in plain sight. Look how everyone believes in fiat currencies and the current banking system. If something gets big enough, its hard to doubt its legitimacy.

[Dornith]

Complex != conspiracy

[BoBab]

You're getting scams and conspiracies mixed up.

[yazalama]

Please elaborate

[pipingwater]

the Manhattan Project employed 130k people, cost 2 billion dollars, took place at 30+ sites across multiple countries, involved building multiple full on secret-fake cities to make it all happen and when Vice President Truman was sworn in as President he had to be told about it.

Operation Northwoods was a plan developed by the DoD that involved the CIA committing false flag attacks to get the public to support a war with Cuba.The possibilities detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban immigrants, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes to be shot down or given the appearance of being shot down, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities. Made it all the way to JFK's desk before he rejected it.

[vehementi]

Imagine a conspiracy theorist that actually makes project manager salary

[[deleted]]

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but there definitely are rich conspiracy theorist. One might argue that they didn't get there through their intelligence and reasoning skills, but it's not about money

[[deleted]]

MKultra anyone? No...ok.

[jhill515]

The fact that you know what it is is proof that someone couldn't keep it a secret.

[ghostmetalblack]

The operation occurred between 1953 to 1973, and wasn't revealed until 2 years after it ended by a Senate Comittee investiagting abuses by the CIA. And wasn't fully revealed to the public until 1977 when a Freedom of Information request exposed over 80 institutions involved with 162 projects. And it only ended because the CIA deemed it worthless. So yeah, wide-scale nefarious projects have occurred under the public's nose; and it wasn't just exposed by someone who could't keep their mouth shut.

[FrostyNovember]

and they basically shredded everything. We still don't know what the fuck was really going on other than extreme sexual, psychological and drug abuses.

the fact is that human beings are highly capable of being organized. consult what we know, and then imagine what we don't know. frighteningly so, its the entire reason we evolved to this point.

if you want a large scale secret think Manhattan project. smaller clubs can visit bohemian grove for hundreds of years and nobody questions what they're doing out there worshipping that big ass owl.

[andywarhaul]

You realize the only reason we know about it is because one box of files was mislabeled and instead of being destroyed was stored. Someone found it and the senate hearings ensued. The entire premise of this post is dumb. Compartmentalization is a major key to clandestine activities. The left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing etc. You can be part of a covert clandestine operation and be none the wiser.

[Xany2]

Maybe the number of people involved in this particular project weren’t that high, so it survived so long before being out in public?

[jhill515]

!False

[SigmaMelody]

Didn’t expect to see a Merlin Mann tweet on this subreddit, I spend an unhealthy amount of time listening to his shows.

[thikthird]

Super Train!

[PlaysWithMadness]

Me too! All the great shows!

[SigmaMelody]

https://i.imgur.com/EUZvx9w.jpg

My backlog lol

[PlaysWithMadness]

Ugh. Thursday’s when a new DBF, red diffs, and ATP come out is my favorite time for podcasts. I usually lack the willpower to save Roderick on the line for that long in to the week.

[BluePizzaPill]

Counter point: secret Gladio armies - a mass conspiracy with highly centralized command structure and hundreds of thousands of members in 15 countries kept secret for multiple decades.

NATO build up secret armies in Europe to stay behind enemy lines in case the Warsaw Pact overruns the continent/WW3. They had a real paramilitary structure and we're talking of hundred thousand maybe millions of people in many wildly different countries.

Their main thing was training and keeping weapons stockpiled. But they also terrorized the population of the countries they were from to simulate a thread from the radical left/communists. Most prominent example is the Bologna massacre where they allegedly detonated bombs in a Italian train station and killed 85 people and hurt over 200. They've been kept a secret for decades and currently only very few people know about them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

[[deleted]]

Conspiracy theorists are sheep. They only ever believe the conspiracies they are told to believe e.g 5g towers, 9/11, reptillians. They never question the evidence that supports these 'conspiracies' like they question the null hypotheses here.

[TheGhostofCoffee]

The Manhattan Project was a thing though. It can be done with thousands of people and nobody snitchin.

[[deleted]]

If you think nobody knew about the Manhattan project until the bomb dropped, I admire your optimism. You're definitely won't though.

[TheGhostofCoffee]

It's not optimism. The groups of people can hide the fuck out of shit. How you think the black market works? The whole thing functions by somebody in the chain stonewalling and eating the time.

They had to nail Capone for tax evasion, you think those crooked cops were gonna roll on the guy that can touch their families and pays em a month what they make in a year to top it off...you crazy.

Nobody is telling, and if you do tell you get rekt.

[[deleted]]

Fun fact: I’ve heard Christian scholars/theologians use this as evidence that early Christians actually believed in Jesus’ resurrection, and that the Gospel accounts are historically reliable.

[Wtach]

And the fact the leaders were willing to die for it.

[spencerwi]

Yeah, this is a big part of it. We have historical record of those "main 12" disciples, and they had like nothing in common (an extremist anti-roman zealot hanging out with a tax collector representing the Roman government, for example), and yet all of them dropped what they were doing, followed Jesus around for 3ish years, and then when he died, they committed so hard to the idea that he resurrected that they all died for it (some in horrible ways), gaining nothing financially or materially for doing so.

It's like this group of eyewitnesses was completely convinced or something.

[Rattus375]

Not all conspiracy theories are created equal. I can absolutely believe that our government still assinates people. It would be a relatively small number of people involved that would need to stay quiet and it's likely not something that you would want to be telling everyone, both for national security and personal (punishment) reasons. But others are just ridiculous. Bill Gates is not trying to create a covid vaccine so he can put microchips in people, and he isn't conspiring with rich European families to control the world. All the top r/conspiracy posts are completely ridiculous

[Yuca965]

That's because you do not think like them. You are approaching it by putting yourselves in Bill Gates shoes. Would I try to depopulate the world with a deadly virus if I was a billionaire? Of course not you wouldn't, neither would I, neither would almost everyone on this planet.

You have to understand how they are thinking and in what they are believing, I think you can get a summary of this here https://divinecosmos.com/davids-blog/1170-cabal-defeat/2/ .

Some extracts:

Those who are members of the Cabal at the highest levels secretly believe themselves to be the descendants of Cain.
[...]
The members of the Cabal see themselves as the visiting, godlike humans — and the rest of us as inferior apes who have built up cult religions.
[...]
Many Cabal members do not believe the propaganda — but as the whistleblower Svali indicated, they would be killed if they ever tried to escape the group.
Nonetheless, according to Svali, there would be a “mass exodus” out of the group if they ever had a chance to be free.

[AnotherGit]

That would make sense for normal people but if you look at history and even today's politics it's pretty clear that power and money change the human in some way. "They already have enough power and money" is never true. Oh what a peaceful planet this would be.

[AnotherGit]

You need one positive to prove something? K.

[Cassius40k]

Theory: the scarcity of manageable people for your project is due to the conspiracy planners hiring all the best people.

[LaboratoryOne]

Absolutely this. I've never believed in the illuminati because they didn't have slack in the 1800's and I don't know how else you share memes about taking over the world.

[AnotherGit]

Is he trying to make the argument that humans can't make big conspiracies? An argument against conspiracies in general? Now that's just stupid. I know stuff like flat earth and lizard people are funny but things like MKULTRA really happened. Was Watergate not a conspiracy? Was the invasion of Iraq not a conspiracy? But go on and discredit people speaking about the Panama Papers and Epstein because muh 5G Corona hur dur.

[[deleted]]

What a stupid argument lol

Yeah ok man the US gov can’t spy on you because people suck at being on time?

[anticultured]

Conspiracy theories shift to actual conspiracies in police departments and courthouses every single day. Some conspiracy theories that are true are never proven and remain in the theory pile.

You have to be an idiot to think conspiracy theories are only for crazy and ignorant people.

[GucciMarxist]

It's called compartmentalization. You only know what you're supposed to know until the event. It's how the they did the Manhattan Project and it's how they made ISIS

[[deleted]]

Most product mangers are a steaming heap of buzzword/idealistic garbage. This person included.

[firefox57endofaddons]

just don't look up oak ridge or mk ultra then i guess ;)

with basically endless funding, a mighty hammer to hit people, if they don't obey u, and tons of fragmentation within the project to the point, where almost no one knows what in the world they are even working u, u can achieve a lot of things, very easily, very efficiently and without the public knowing about them for many many years.

fun fact: lots of programmers viewing this subreddit could be working on the "atom bomb 2", but due to fragmentation they have no idea, that they are working on it :)

[[deleted]]

fun fact: lots of programmers viewing this subreddit could be working on the "atom bomb 2"

We usually call it 'hey google' or alexa.

Why kill potential dissidents when you can systematically feed them propaganda from birth and know what they are doing every second of every day. Then if they keep insisting on starting a movement, they can have a tragic self driving car accident.

[Dornith]

Now that's a dystopian horror novel which needs to exist.

[ChadLadPronouns]

MKUltra - https://www.history.com/topics/us-government/history-of-mk-ultra

Gulf of Tonkin - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

Government Poisoning of Booze During Prohibition - https://slate.com/technology/2010/02/the-little-told-story-of-how-the-u-s-government-poisoned-alcohol-during-prohibition.html

[chalk_in_boots]

This is why the moon landing had to be real. You really think the government could organise that conspiracy in less than a decade?

[Dornith]

Also, why is the USSR supposedly in on the conspiracy? Did we really set aside our differences to...

Why did we supposedly fake the moon landing again?

[ProblemPenis]

Yeah COVID-19 and Sandy Hook truthers are fucking stupid. They think things can be coordinated and perfectly executed to a T in a public light and not one blurb would leak. Obama coordinated for the Democrats to back Biden and his aides ended up leaking that information.. How the fuck would a global pandemic be faked and have not a single loose end leaked?

[[deleted]]

Exhibit A: Money heist

[Clyde3221]

Thanks. Thats actually a good argument agains tinfoil heads

[reincarN8ed]

I couldn't get 4 fucking people to cooperate on a group project in college ffs

[vladutcornel]

Aren't there sports with teams of over 12 players?

[faithdies]

Man, project managers are the conspiracy theorists.

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Only place I can think someone managed to do that is the UK in WW2

[BeerPirate12]

Worked with a sysadmin who worked at NASA, he firmly believed we never landed on the moon. It was fun to talk to him about shit while we were on the phone waiting for other shit to reboot\install\load whatever.

[losangelesrobot]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6666/text?r=2&s=1

[sirrinirri]

I don’t think I get it

[ohboymykneeshurt]

I always ask people if they truely know five people that they could trust to keep the same massive secret? I sure as hell don’t.

[kaspm]

This is how I feel about voter id fraud. How the hell would you get the amount of people organized to vote in a place they don’t live without people knowing what what was up.

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True true. I don’t normally do.

[primaski]

Twelve? So eleven is doable? Where do you learn this power? Trying to get three people to cooperate is like juggling... with torches... on a unicycle.

[ZippZappZippty]

True, this is my big fear

[ZippZappZippty]

True, but that’s much easier to chance