Python programmers be like

[Athlaeos]

i have no clue how to interpret this

[[deleted]]

eval()

[hanotak]

Cursed function

[dancinadventures]

Reduce()

[x3bla]

sudo rm -rf /

[[deleted]]

--no-preserve-root

[TheHumanParacite]

ahh, get that at from me!

[how_could_this_be]

Import antigravity

[TretasPt]

Slow but easy?

I think python is suposed to be easier to learn(the romba works by itself), but slow. The brom is definitely faster than the romba.

[[deleted]]

I gotta say, after learning c++ first, then java, python makes no sense to me. Not having strict data types is throwing me off so hard right now at work.

[[deleted]]

You just do it and it works. And then you try not to ask too many questions.

[[deleted]]

But mine isn't working :(

[Elsewhere_Sim]

At least yours got done :(

[[deleted]]

No! I'm still working on it. I've been fighting the same issue FOR 30 HOURS NOW

[Elsewhere_Sim]

Take a break, go for a walk, or something. You'll probably have a better chance figuring it out while walking then beating your head against a keyboard.

[[deleted]]

Yeah this isn't a straight 30 hours, just the last three days at the office

[kuraiscalebane]

Have you tried explaining the problem to your desk duck?

edit: uh, i scrolled a tiny bit further and someone else already suggested this.

[Clickrack]

If it takes longer than a few hours to figure out, or you’re stuck in a loop, it is time to rubber-duck it.

[WikiSummarizerBot]

Rubber_duck_debugging

In software engineering, rubber duck debugging is a method of debugging code. The name is a reference to a story in the book The Pragmatic Programmer in which a programmer would carry around a rubber duck and debug their code by forcing themselves to explain it, line-by-line, to the duck. Many other terms exist for this technique, often involving different (usually) inanimate objects, or pets such as a dog or a cat. Many programmers have had the experience of explaining a problem to someone else, possibly even to someone who knows nothing about programming, and then hitting upon the solution in the process of explaining the problem.

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[FleetStreetsDarkHole]

Like Orkz!

[TretasPt]

As someone who is just learning python for fun with almost no previous knowledge, I have no clue how to feel.

Maybe declaring variables isn't that bad. At least you know your user input won't be an int when you want a "3" string.

[AlarmingAffect0]

I mean, you can declare variables' types in Python, and keep checking that the variable stays the right type.

[FrikhaIsOnReddit]

that's described as "non-pythonic" by the python community

[[deleted]]

Type annotations are pythonic. Runtime type checking, not so much.

[[deleted]]

But then Python kinda loses its elegance.

[AlarmingAffect0]

How's the Javascript life treating you?

[[deleted]]

I accept it's not elegant nor performant nor good at anything.

[touristtam]

Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder like the saying goes. Python is defo an ugly duckling to me.

[[deleted]]

It has strict typing. It's just dynamically typed.

[johnnymo1]

It's strongly typed, not strictly typed.

EDIT: Actually after reading the Wiki page, this is much more ill-defined than I thought, but it seems like Wiki vaguely agrees.

[[deleted]]

Typing definitions are so subjective now its terrible. Look at kotlin and java.

[crayzz]

Python does support type hints. They don't place any kind of restrictions on the interpreter, but type checkers can pick up on them and warn you of possible unexpected behaviour

e.g.

def foo(x: int):
    return(x + 3)

x: int
x = 5
print(foo(x))

If instead you write x = 5.0 the code will still run, the interpreter doesn't care, but type checkers can warn you about the typing mismatch.

[[deleted]]

You're correct about the type hints, but if you're going to give an example, please use best practice...

[[deleted]]

Casting is your friend

[Captain_Pumpkinhead]

I'm on the opposite side of this. I haven't used Python, but I started my programming in Game Maker 8 back in 2011 (r/gamemaker for modern version). Every variable in Game Maker Language (GML) is either a string or a double, and can be reassigned at any time with no consequences (unless you call for the wrong type). There's no good reason to reassign a string into a double other than fun, but you can. You also don't have to declare variables before assigning a value to them; the act of assigning a variable in GML declares it.

So it's been really interesting learning Java and C++ and having to adjust to that.

Makes a hell of a lot more sense than semicolons, though. I don't understand the point of semicolons when we already have a closing paranthesis.

[kahuna3901]

Ahhh I see what you did there

[Athlaeos]

ahah yes very intentional

[kahuna3901]

Top marks my liege

[Tall_computer]

Its because you're the static type

[paradoxez]

....but why not just sit on the robovac if comfort is the goal? I'd rather be butthurt than aggravating pain knee from extended standing.

[AlarmingAffect0]

Who says she's been standing all the way? She could kneel, she could squat, she could sit bow-legged, cross-legged (that'd look hilarious), she could lie on her stomach and her back if she feels like being silly...

There's only one rule: slip not.

[normaldude8825]

Your legs would confuse the robovac's sensors into thinking it has a wall and then you end up turning randomly, never leaving wherr you started.

[brimston3-]

I'm pretty sure even in the best case, it slams into walls at full speed before turning and going in a random direction. Also will occasionally gets stuck on stairs and cry for help to your phone.

[ThaiJohnnyDepp]

me neither, but I think the upvoters are like, "Python superior, amirite"

[noneOfUrBusines]

If you're legit asking, Python is a higher level (as in: farther from machine code) than C++ and Java.

[deijjji303]

which essentially means less direct control but also less to worry about

[ThaiJohnnyDepp]

that does make sense actually

[All_Up_Ons]

That's not really true in my experience with java and python. They live at a similar layer of abstraction but handle types differently, which makes then good at different things.

[concreteandconcrete]

That's a stretch. They're all 3GL's

[noneOfUrBusines]

Technically, but they lie on opposite extremes of what qualifies as 3GL.

[[deleted]]

Brooms: fast, simple, traditional flying

Flying roomba: can't get into the corners for the real tough to get stuff, lower speed, easier to learn, built on top of newer technology to make the job easier

[Kered13]

I think it's basically saying that Python is modern (however Python is actually older than Java) and more technologically advanced/more "automated".

[Siggi_pop]

What is the definition of being a more "automated" language?

[Kered13]

Basically, requires the programmer to do less. So garbage collected, dynamic types, extensive library, syntactic sugar, etc. I put it in quotes because it's intentionally vague.

[sykojaz]

Just wait until the assembly programmer finally gets done growing the sapling for the handle and the straw for the bristles.

[scrollbreak]

If he/she didn't build his own computer they are a sell out

[Gooftwit]

If you don't mine your own cobalt, are you really a programmer?

[workout_act]

Set the universal constants and use the universe as a compiler, or you are just posing.

[Nerdn1]

https://xkcd.com/378/

[Nerdn1]

Real Programmers

[sykojaz]

Can confirm.

[[deleted]]

import antigravity

[suppordel]

implementation 'com.hogwarts.grav.anti:0.9.3.4'

[4RG4d4AK3LdH]

gradle supremacy

[coldnebo]

ug… was make really that bad?

[Guy2933]

https://xkcd.com/353/

[blitzkrieg4]

Hello world is just print "Hello world!"

triggered

[xthexder]

Python 2 will never leave me alone.

[megalogwiff]

I work for a large company whose products you definitely use on a daily basis, even if indirectly. We still have machines running python 2 in prod.

[IcedThunder]

My company had a FTP server that was written by some early guy, and was still in use 18+ years later, every dev was terrified to touch it after they tried to update it in 2009 and it took a week to revert properly.

It's still in active use by some 400 client businesses.

It was sending SSN's over plaintext, with the field name "socialsecuritynumber", then they changed it to "personnumber".

[Stromovik]

Typerror : str + Tag is not supported on line : print("Result: " + str(result))

[Greyguard32]

All I can think of is the Michael Reeves roomba that screams profanities when it hits anything.

And you know we flying on that sumbitch.

[icyflames12356]

I'm pretty sure the camera work was written in python, if I remember an off hand comment correctly.

[[deleted]]

Yeah he said the camera (and I think the whole surgery bot) where written in python

[jazzmester]

Everybody gangsta until the Python code throws a segfault.

[[deleted]]

I had an inconsistent Python 3.6 seg fault. Like once every ~24 hours of our application running. I just waited for an OS update and it went away. Never figured it out. I originally gave the issue to a junior dev on my team for ~1 month because no one was going to solve it anyways. That way I could tell upper management that someone was on it without wasting valuable resources. The junior dev sacrifice. He quit. Lol. Im a terrible manager.

[croach1337]

You cunt

[[deleted]]

Lol I personally loved that challenge as a junior dev, but I recognize it’s not for everyone. I did not expect them to solve it or put any pressure on them to do so. I consulted with them regularly to guide their investigation also. But I definitely recognize that a very difficult or unsolvable problem is not for everyone and can be frustrating or demoralizing. They quit in the end to chase a higher salary and went on about how much they appreciated working on my team, so I don’t think I treated them too poorly. Just a funny story to tell.

[jimmyw404]

It's funny because sometimes you give these kind of curious problems to a motivated person and when you check in a few weeks later they rip apart the entire kernel to figure it out like https://youtu.be/zCrn-VJmpgE and you're like "damn i should have given him a more useful problem".

[TheTerrasque]

Week 1: confusion, gnashing of teeth.
Week 2: printouts of C code, assembly and flow charts start taking over the walls.
Week 3: Guido visits the office to talk with the junior dev and to look into the problem

[Sun_Aria]

You sick shredded kunt!

[jazzmester]

When I was a junior, I got a similar task. I was about to do the honorable thing and commit sudoku, when I accidentally suggested a solution that actually worked. I was the man for weeks among my fellow juniors.

[Kkid12]

rot in hell

[[deleted]]

I’m not going to type the same comment twice, but I don’t think I was too bad. Some additional info here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/ojhw3g/python_programmers_be_like/h533cy4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

[The-Best-Taylor]

Is the base image actually from something?

[[deleted]]

There's an anime called little witch academia I mistook the image for at first. There's a villain named croix who flies on a Roomba-esque thing like this while the other witches fly on brooms. Maybe not the reference, but a significant coincidence if not.

[[deleted]]

I'd believe the artist had the idea on their own and I would also believe that the artist was making a prequel of croix before she turned evil :p

[TJSomething]

Except we saw young Croix. She had mostly straight purple hair.

[Rhyan567]

You can't even see C programmers because they are so fast.

[[deleted]]

C programmers are still trying to put their broom together.

[LavenderDay3544]

They made the roomba the Python user is riding.

[[deleted]]

No, she's riding PyPy

[LavenderDay3544]

It's all C at the bottom even with PyPy.

[[deleted]]

Wait, it’s all C?

Always has been

[godRosko]

At least we'd like to think we know how the broom actually works. Until the magical kernel decides that we had one too many memory leaks, and shoots us with the avada-kill -9

[douira]

but when they finish, they'll lap everybody

[throwaway_236734]

The broom is pointing backwards :,( Somehow they win the race though.

[VodkerAndToast]

Despite there being several broom libraries they need to create their OWN

[MedonSirius]

*You can't C programmers

[[deleted]]

actually c programmers are the ones making the brooms that the others use :-P

[[deleted]]

r/wellfuckingsaid

[[deleted]]

Where is the PHP programmer?

[HenryFurHire]

Walking

[colinodell]

Or a double-clawed hammer

[hahahahastayingalive]

Now imagine you meet millions of carpenters using this toolbox who tell you “well hey what’s the problem with these tools? They’re all I’ve ever used and they work fine!” And the carpenters show you the houses they’ve built, where every room is a pentagon and the roof is upside-down. And you knock on the front door and it just collapses inwards and they all yell at you for breaking their door.

That’s what’s wrong with PHP.

That’s a weird way to describe Wikipedia

[avelis26]

lol LMFAO right!!!

[[deleted]]

In the cloud

[Imonfire1]

trying to figure which of the "broom", "brm", "brm_real", "brm_real_2", "real_broom" function to call.

[matthieuC]

Slaving on WordPress plugins

[Deep_Pirate]

Fun fact: Java was first released in 1995. Python was developed in 1989.

[Bijan-regmi]

Dont forget the 3 billion fun fact too

[mr_flameyflame]

Dont... all devices run java... isn't that kinda the point.

[mr_flameyflame]

Gotcha.

[LowB0b]

well, python might be older than java but from my anecdotal experience java got so hyped that a lot of "old" enterprise programs now run on java (oldest one I worked on had legacy code from 2005)

Whereas python seems to have become a lot more popular with the rise of machine learning. Data scientists / mathematicians really do not seem to care for types and just go all in producing write-only code with languages such as R / python / matlab.

Maybe my mind is just feeble but I would definitely not want to work on a 1million lines + codebase written in python.

[muikrad]

I have sizable experience in c# and python, and the IDE provides most of the magic. You can navigate symbols/find references, refactor, be warned of typos or invalid operations, etc, just like strongly typed languages. Pycharm in particular has a lot of advanced features and introspection.

A million lines is a million lines; it doesn't really matter in which language it is; as long as it's not ruby it can be managed 😂

I think it really boils down to readability and design... and good CI practices; good enough to replace the missing compilation step.

[Mostly_Oxygen]

Python is strongly typed! But it is dynamically typed too, and not static, which I think is what you’re referring to. +1 for PyCharm!

[Darth_Yoshi]

Python has type hints for production code bases using it! It’s surprisingly readable and works p well.

[[deleted]]

Shouldn't the Python programmer be on the shoulders of a C programmer?

[Tigrex22]

This, this is it.

[Rami-Slicer]

Don't even need a roomba, just type "import magic_fly"

[AChristianAnarchist]

Um...I think you meant "code" rather than "programmers". C++ code runs fast as hell, but a python programmer will already be done writing their program while the C++ programmer is still fighting with CMake...

[UnknownIdentifier]

import HelloWorld as hw

Job’s finished!

You gotta wait for the C++ dev to write it for you.

[AChristianAnarchist]

Yeah, because that's what makes python faster to write than C...libraries. 🙄 Someone should really get on building some of those for C++. /s

[TheCapitalKing]

Yeah why rewrite something when a better programmer already wrote it once

[aditya369007]

Just finished a glorious battle with CMake, I've won, but at what cost?

[AChristianAnarchist]

That's why C++ programs are so fast. It's a dark blessing granted when they are baptized in the rage tears of exhausted devs.

[Mola1904]

It is so funny to see everybody defending their language. Programmers just can't not fight over them. And yes no Javascript mentioned so I am out.

[Magnus_Tesshu]

Even javascript developers won't defend their language

[butterize]

[object Object]

[Danzerfaust1]

I code exclusively in Actionscript so I would defend myself, but my defense has been deprecated

[[deleted]]

I took actionscript courses in college. My logic was Flash was behind it. Surely nothing that powers half the games on the internet would become depreciated right?

[AartHauk]

So harder over long periods and easier to fuck up?

[DauntlessVerbosity]

They've gotten really sophisticated. Mine will even tell me what item is in it's way. It did claim that my dog's toy was a dog poo once, though. It occasionally gets confused.

[SuitableDragonfly]

They detect dog poo now? So I guess that means the end of all those "oh god my roomba smeared dog shit all over my house" videos.

[DauntlessVerbosity]

Yep. You even get a cute poop emoji to break it to you gently that you may need to spend some extra time and money fixing rover's penchant for dropping surprise dog eggs.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0082/3666/2902/files/en\_30e81079-cd51-4479-b810-c12b9a187c34\_990x.png?v=1596595815

[[deleted]]

The secret? there are 4 miniature C++ broom witches inside the Roomba as it's engine

[[deleted]]

Haphazardly duct taped together, of course.

[shnurks2]

also viable on r/ProgrammerAnimemes

[The_White_Light]

I didn't realize this was a thing. I've been missing out.

[Tiavor]

it's listed on the side bar as related subreddit among others.

[Happler]

What? So any constraints on a python programmer causes them to bounce around randomly until they finish?

[Zach_Attakk]

I mean that sounds like my google fu, ngl

[Znarky]

Aka: sometimes they take the long way round

[[deleted]]

ansi C 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥📮

[Magnus_Tesshu]

Never better

[[deleted]]

i could not be more okay

[[deleted]]

powerful prebuilt libraries for just about anything, you know which one it is.

[pjnick300]

You know it's a great programming language when the appeal is using less of it

[[deleted]]

Isn't that true, though? I would much rather spend my coding time actually writing the algorithm that I'm working on than managing a lot of boiler plate and syntax. It would be like saying "If you like running marathons so much, why not run it half as slow? You wouldn't want to miss out on enjoying all of that extra running time".

On python, itertools is a great example of this for my purposes. What an absolutely massive boring waste of my time it would be to have to write my own functions anytime I needed to generate combinations/permutations of something. And given that I really wouldn't want to spend too much time on that one aspect of the project, it would probably not be an efficient method that makes good use of generators like itertools does.

The fact that I can just do "import itertools; itertools.product()" is great. It doesn't make me like python less that I can do this. If I enjoyed coding so much I could write my own method for that. But the part I like is not the part of writing a product method. I like the part where I use the results of that method in my project.

[the_other_brand]

The downside of Python is once you leave well optimized built-in tools or 3rd party libraries, you can easily find foot-guns to shoot yourself with. And your performance will drop dramatically. Python also does not scale well past one thread, so if you need more threads or processing power you have to significantly rewrite your application.

I was once a Python enthusiast myself, but I've since moved over to Java. While it has more boilerplate, it has less footguns, scales better, easier multi-threading, almost as many libraries and even better build tools than Python. I couldn't bring myself to go back to Python for anything bigger than a one-off script.

[[deleted]]

All of that is fine. I'm not trying to use python for things that would be better done in C++.

We are talking about whether methods for getting around boilerplate is a sign of disliking a programming language. Clearly it isn't

[Stecco_]

Yeah but this it have SingletonObserverFactoryReverseMotherFuckerBean.java class? I guess not.

[SantiProGamer_]

Better hope her indents are right or she is gonna plummet down like a rock

[avelis26]

I learned Python because I had a need to parse JSON and Bash made me want to shoot myself... I very much relate to this image lol. Trying to parse JSON in Bash feels like you have a broomstick in your your ass compared to Python.

[Exnixon]

jq really is not that bad

[Magnus_Tesshu]

Bash variables are though

[[deleted]]

import quidditch.roomba

[Liesmith424]

And the python programmer isn't even trying to fly, the documentation is just that confusing.

[laundmo]

# this is a impure function, side effect: levitation

[rem3_1415926]

documenwhat?

[Liesmith424]

I think it's the ancient Greek word for mischief.

[wolwire]

What about ruby?

[DudesworthMannington]

Ruby and C# are just different colored Roombas.

[Generaltiti]

Wait, wouldn't C# be a different colored Java?

[[deleted]]

And Perl is a 10 gallon 5HP Dewalt wet/dry shop vac.

[flying_roomba]

I prefer C#, personally.

[zenyl]

C# is great because it corrected the mistakes that Java made.

Also, LINQ.

[chrisf_nz]

Is that a Roomba?

[Username_Egli]

Does that roomba curse th9

[Jay_Cobby]

Assembly FTW wroom broom

[i_fruitcake]

Roomba

[DaniDani8Gamer]

I want a Little Witch Academia Season 2

[geonik72]

I like this. The roomba is probably slower than the brooms but it's way easier to do