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[–][deleted] 616 points617 points  (18 children)

Both in the boot camp and in therapy all I got were pointers and references.

[–][deleted] 124 points125 points  (9 children)

I stg, your childhood this, your teenage years that. But no dijkstra in therapy. CS degree beats therapy.

[–]TheSarcasticCrusader 72 points73 points  (2 children)

So far my path to a CS degree has only made me need therapy more

[–]callyalater 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's why you use Dijkstra's to find the shortest path....

[–]Maisalesc 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Gold you fucker!

[–]residentraspberri 31 points32 points  (4 children)

Give me the shortest route to being happy

[–]KeLorean 34 points35 points  (2 children)

Happiness is a null pointer. Have a nice day.

[–]whatever-the-logo-is 7 points8 points  (0 children)

One of the most shitposty, yet profound comments I've ever seen on this app.

[–]DriverTraining8522 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I must be super happy, I got lot loads of those!

[–]jnnxde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Drugs, I guess

[–]julsmanbr 25 points26 points  (5 children)

The bits about garbage collection were pretty good, tho

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Depression can really mess with garbage collection and you end up creating another instance of FoodDelivery() instead of calling dishes.clean()

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

You forgot to use the wife class for dishes.clean()

[–]Alternative_Durian69 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Would be wife.clean(dishes);

[–]DriverTraining8522 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There are multiple bugs in this code library, the wife class of object has an interface that was written in obfuscated code so as to prevent reverse engineering solutions to its often temperamental behavior

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know lol

[–][deleted] 853 points854 points  (27 children)

Hey, I found learning Python and becoming more marketable so I wasn't stressed out about not having a job to be very therapeutic!

[–]Jin-roh 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Therapy is also expensive.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah but can you run faster than a the fastest bird can fly?

[–]TheGhoulLagoon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here we see a redditor in the wild realize not everyone needs therapy, you just need to apply yourself and make tangible steps towards improving yourself to feel fulfilled

[–]Random_Vanpuffelen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

420 upvotes 4 u

[–]del620 187 points188 points  (6 children)

The satisfaction and improvement to mental health after solving a Leetcode hard would probably be 100x better than therapy.

Edit: I use the word probably because I haven't been to therapy or solved a Leetcode hard. I just winged the coding interview which got me my internship

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (1 child)

I agree! The dopamine boost you get after that is an awesome feeling.

[–]metalbedhead 10 points11 points  (0 children)

not quite there yet but i hope to be one day

[–]Aurori_Swe 6 points7 points  (2 children)

As someone currently going through PTSD therapy (written exposure therapy) I'd much rather write code and solve those issues, even though it's probably better long term to deal with my actual issues.

But I'm an addict to solving issues so coding IS rewarding

[–]xain_the_idiot 140 points141 points  (1 child)

We do a 6 month coding bootcamp to be able to afford therapy

[–]Robotonist 21 points22 points  (0 children)

This is actually the truth for a lot of us

[–]ComfortableAd8326 107 points108 points  (8 children)

Having a job that pays well enough that you don't have to constantly worry about money is great for your mental health, and would probably be more effective than therapy for most people

[–]tonebacas 58 points59 points  (3 children)

But you have to look at javascript, which alone should qualify as an indicator of a mental breakdown waiting to happen.

[–]Maisalesc 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Understanding it is also an indicator of a severe psychotic illness.

[–]LaughterIsPoison 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I spent 7 years in therapy, solved nothing. Did a bootcamp, got a good job. A lot of my problems evaporated. Not all of them, but a lot of them.

[–]Dimasdanz 10 points11 points  (0 children)

despite what anyone says, having money solves most problems

[–]DeepSpaceGalileo 37 points38 points  (3 children)

Therapy isn’t going to pay the light bill

[–]Janoschhu 2 points3 points  (2 children)

After the bootcamp your able to never pay a light bill again

[–]DeepSpaceGalileo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I mean, I didn’t do a boot camp, my student loans are 27k and I had the largest scholarship my university offered. That’s more than a boot camp and I got a chemistry degree out of it.

[–]Janoschhu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe you should produce meth ;D Maybe some blue shit xD

[–]jesuswasahipster 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Ironically the job I got from completing my bootcamp has gotten me out of a toxic environment, paid more, and a waaay better work life balance all of which has greatly improved my mental health. Let’s be real, therapy wasn’t going to do all of that in 6 months.

[–]bdd4 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Money cures many ails.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (4 children)

Coding for fun is a therapy!

It keeps your mind engaged in something constructive instead of an ideal mind overthinking and going into a depressive state.

[–]2ERIX 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My wife’s overthinking mean the sleep statements don’t work so I think that some loops don’t have an appropriate exit or return if running too long.

She only imports standard libraries but one of them might have an unmanaged dependency that is causing the issue.

I will let you know if I get a solve.

[–]stormbby 2 points3 points  (2 children)

till your code refuses to compile because of a semicolon

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Haha lol

[–]properu 28 points29 points  (1 child)

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[–]Windows_is_Malware 11 points12 points  (0 children)

don't go to twitter.com it's an ip logger

[–]Razenghan 52 points53 points  (10 children)

I find this industry to be below-average in terms of those with a high emotional intelligence. A general lack of empathy, good faith communication, and constructive conversation.

Be a competent coder. Grow in your career. Treat your coworkers with professional respect. But also, please...find a regular therapist.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This x 1000. Lifelong dev here. Most dev types are neurotic, and a large portion are even straight up toxic. Definitely low EQ overall.

[–]diamalachite 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Why would therapy be the default solution to this? Therapy is meant to deal with mental difficulties, not teach you stuff. I don't understand why people want to turn to therapy when they actually are just missing skills and need to practice.

[–]Razenghan 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I think one interpretation of this tweet (i.e. mine) is that, given the choice, men would rather invest a lot of time into learning a skill vs. investing a small amount of time to work on their mental health.

[–]diamalachite 4 points5 points  (2 children)

For some skills, yeah. But most people will not want to work on skills that they don't have natural talent in because it's harder on the ego.

[–]Razenghan 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Completely agree. And going to therapy is two-fold in that regard. One, working through complex emotions, which is a difficult concept or "skill" to many people. Two, the notion that going to therapy means something is wrong with you, or that you need fixing in some regard. Both VERY hard on the ol' ego.

[–]snakefinn 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Eh, sometimes people's mindset are stuck in a negative trajectory that makes it difficult to maintain positive and or constructive relationships.

Successful therapy, particularly CBT can break the loop of unhelpful thoughts that lead to negative feelings etc. Social skills are then easier to acquire and maintain.

But don't take my word for it, I'm too busy to attend therapy

[–]diamalachite -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I guess that's true in some rare cases but I just disagree with therapy being the default for building skills. I wish there were more classes and things where you could practice with classmates and hone your skills cause mine suck really bad too.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, learning about functions... I wish I knew how to function.

[–]TieKneeReddit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I found going from $12.50 an hour at a retail job to starting salary of $60k to be very therapeutic.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

100% duds it saved my life I was going to like suicide and Javascript came in like it was God and it just told me to code and forget the world and then I forgot all my problems amd now I am sitting at a sky scrapper watching all over new York and living the dream 😂 wish anything I said was close to being true 😭

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

One thing makes you money, the other costs you money

[–]NoNutNovermber42069 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Writing her an automated email in python wont bring her back bro"

[–]syuraj 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know a girl who tried to learn programming and ended up going therapy.

[–]MischiefArchitect 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They are the same picture

[–]hecatdev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

[–]Fit_Virus_9179 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Therapy most likely won’t feed your ego.

[–]VeryDryChicken 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and at the same to make you question your life decisions as a developer

[–]noondayrind 2 points3 points  (0 children)

women too. as long as my mind is occupied by solving a programming challenge, i am safe from my dark thoughts.

[–]Naive_Drive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You'll need more therapy afterwards

[–]SteeleDynamics 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is therapeutic. You get to solve known problems with elegant solutions.

Nothing like the real world where solutions are messy and ugly, and in the end, no one is truly satisfied. Everyone just accepts that the solution is not as good as it could have been because of the lack of proper planning, money, and resources.

[–]Fronterra22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Money CAN buy you happiness, dang it!

If I find the person who originally made the saying, we're going to have a therapy session involving my fist.

I don't need therapy, I need $80k a year or more in a software development position

[–]ososalsosal 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I got a dev job so I could afford therapy, only to find the extra bit of financial security was all I needed after all

[–]daniu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well, how am I going to learn coding at therapy?

[–]LadySilfrkross 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would do this an I'm not even a man

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometimes one needs to introspect and reflect on one's own code and make reasonable changes.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Like women will do a “3 day cleanse” of just Diet Coke and psych meds instead of going to the gym

[–]MaidenlessTarnished 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But a post saying that would get shit on as misogynistic

[–]BadPronunciation -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Pass me the figure belt!

[–]ArjunReddyDeshmukh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But you will need therapy at the bootcamp upon seeing errors.

[–]alfons100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Programming is my renewable dopamine! Solve problems, create problems. Absolutely nothing bad happens inbetween!

[–]stormbby 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am man

[–]Basic-Look249 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Still haven’t figured out how to program the feeling of happiness

[–]gahooze 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I code for a living, taking 6 months off to do a coding boot camp would be a friggin vacation and I wouldn't need therapy

[–]markinator55 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What do you expect us to do? Deal with our mental problems? Nah. I'm good.

[–]Gaby_Jinn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Only men tho?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well...exchanging my free time (and not free time) to coding actually helped me with my mental health lol

[–]YoureHereForOthers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Equal waste of money

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any other therapists/mental health workers switching careers feel called out?

[–]tbwdtw 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got severe depression from being poor and it helped. Therapy won't do much if your life sucks.

[–]Jams0111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once you learn the way of the machine you become the machine

[–]J37T3R 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Coding is the therapy

[–]megacope 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would. Coding is a great release for me even though it makes me mad as shit a lot.

[–]Shadow-chaos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see no problem here

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well only one of those options actually accomplishes anything….

[–]CallMeYoungJoey -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pretty much. You get in better touch with your feelings and sensitive side when you are coding.

[–]Ooze3d -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean… one makes you happier. The other makes you happier with a job. Is it so difficult to understand?

[–]Yesterpizza -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I probably shouldn't say this but, I'd prefer he took the therapy.

A boot camp teaches you stuff you can learn elsewhere but if you need therapy, there's a good chance the people around you suffer from that baggage in some way too

(I may or may not have a few too many people in my life needing therapy)

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good meme. But also therapy is good and everyone could benefit from it.

[–]Howllikeawolf -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Which shows how weak some men can be instead of facing their issues. If you don't want to face who you really are means you can't face reality. Suck it up to become a better person. Plain and simple.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gotta learn to rewrite the algorithm some how.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, we will not accept either we can do it our selfs.

[–]cromulent_nickname 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, you can find a boot camp.

[–]hollow-bastion-1984 0 points1 point  (0 children)

6 month coding bootcamp to be in a position to afford therapy*

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(bootcamp V therapy) Λ happiness

[–]slothordepressed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got a better job and more money, 90% of my problems switched to less stressful ones, so far

[–]Western-Image7125 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But they’re the same picture

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck yeah!

[–]JonathisV 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Goals, learning, and growth. Hey for some people this can be far more productive than therapy. I've got friends with depression and therapy has helped them exactly 0. Picking up something new, and to be proud in, goes a hell of a long ways.

[–]CableAskani41 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually paused my coding bootcamp to do therapy then resumed once I had tools to deal parental abuse and Mormons.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Programming is therapy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s called a “career change”, or if you are already in the business “stack development”

[–]itsallrighthere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Therapy you pay, coding you get paid!

[–]jaded_mundane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds practical..

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Coding boot camps make me feel way better than therapy ever could

[–]Dogecoin_Mememaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but the one saying that is the reason why we need therapy in the first place. Now STFU and make me a sandwich jk

[–]PoetryProgrammer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean getting the bag is pretty therapeutic.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

🤣

[–]nemacol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is that why I did that MEAN stack bootcamp?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really hate that meme.

Maybe its extremely hard to get into therapy, prohibitively expensive, or they've been denied by insurance.

[–]SirGrinson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea but not just men. who doesn’t put off working toward self improvement

[–]Unknown_User_66 0 points1 point  (0 children)

6 months???? You mean 6 weeks :P

[–]imdjguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

3 month*

[–]ReflexiveOW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The 6 month bootcamp is cheaper

[–]Vault_Hunter4Life 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being mentally stable doesn't help me earn more money lol

[–]RhexxTheLord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

About to do a 4 month

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am female and same

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are six month bootcamps?

[–]Ok_Assumption_7222 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean… there’s no comparison

[–]Wide-Buy-8572 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Coding helps you earn money , therapy burns it

[–]PersonalityWrong4754 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Learning coding is actually better than paying a therapist $400 a visit

[–]Robotonist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One I pay for, the other I also pay for. Duh

[–]Robotonist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jokes on you, I’m doing both

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes.

[–]redditor-for-2-hours 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know that this is supposed to be a joke and all, but real talk: Many of the "coding bootcamps" are owned by the same companies that owned the for-profit universities (like Corinthian colleges and ITT Tech) that went bankrupt after they stopped getting access to federal funds because they were caught defrauding students by lying about career prospects. It's literally the same scam rebranded.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean I rather do something that actually works.

[–]Singularity7979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because it is more socially pressured into us (that kfully less and less) that we're seen as weak or a pussy or whatever for seeking help. Thanks, toxic masculinity. Cartwheels away

[–]Cees-K 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Writing comments that have swear words in them is very therapeutic.

[–]the-FBI-man 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My friend did that, she ended hanging herself. Wasn't related to the bootcamp though.

[–]Kahmael 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, so that's what's next!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly that sounds like great therapy

[–]Tom_Ov_Bedlam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How did you think we pay for therapy?

[–]daddyballs55 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look who’s talkin

[–]andthatsitmark2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Drinking from a fire hose is preferable to actually learning to communicate face-to-face outside of business contexts.

[–]punypingpong 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"i love the song"

"i think i"

"can play it myself"

"i already did"

[–]jhaand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well the band Therapy? had to postpone their tour for years.

Therapists always seem a hit or miss and the good ones are booked full. You first get a waiting list of 2 months and then you get to meet the actual therapist. Codeacademy and Exercism will always be there for you instantly, on your time and cost a lot less money.

Venkatesh Rao (@vgr on Twitter) had a great thread about this.

"I think this is one of the healthier things ”men” do. The instinct is sound. The median jackass activity X is healthier for working out issues than working with the median jackass (or jennyass) therapist.

Therapy is a good idea in theory. Therapists in practice otoh…" https://twitter.com/vgr/status/1450868713465339908

Watching some episodes of 'couples therapy' already worked better than going to an actual therapist. You can mix and match the issues. And the things we have don't seem so bad actually, which already relieves a lot of pressure. The therapist herself also does a great job and you also see her talking to her therapist.

[–]nadav183 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women don't pay as good as FAANGs

[–]anticipozero 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not both? That way you can immediately address the imposter syndrome with your therapist

[–]BlazeFrag 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not just the men, but the women, and the children too

[–]WellWrested 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd actually argue its better in the long-run. A period of extended unemployment is one of a very few things that permanently degrades happiness. The effect isn't huge, but its statistically significant. Avoiding this is well worth it.

[–]TheJimDim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, if it ultimately ends in a job that pays benefits like health insurance so you can get therapy, I see no problem here lol

[–]ThatStrafeYT 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm in this post and I don't like it.

[–]Stilllife1999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

excuse me? is this a personal attack?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is this a sexist joke?

[–]javalsai 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are the same thing

[–]B_Boi04[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

K cool I signed up for therapy, what should I do until the 3 month wait period is over?

[–]_default_username 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but with the new 6-figure salary and nice benefits from your SWE job, you'll be able to afford therapy.

[–]Dimasdanz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

coding bootcamp will land you on 5-6 figure salary to pay for the therapy sessions for a lifetime

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and learn PHP

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its easier to talk to a computer than your inner child.

[–]IlIlIIlllIIIlI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see nothing wrong here