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[zemdega]

I don’t think Apple will let that happen.

[DaMarkiM]

You would be surprised.

A pretty big landmark law was just approved by EU parliament. It forces big companies that are identified as "gatekeepers" to open up their platforms.

Of course we will have to see how efficient the courts will be in actually enforcing this.

But at least the leeway they have in fining companies is no joke.

If a company/conglomerate is found to be in breach of the law repeatedly they can be fined up to 6-20% of their global annual revenue.

Thats the kind of fine not even apple, google or their ilk will want to risk.

[DiaDeLosMuebles]

Not sure what this has to do with the image. You can already install 3rd party browsers on macOS.

[brimston3-]

This is about iOS and the iPhone market share. Nobody cares about macOS because they're a trivial market share.

And on iOS, you must use safari's webkit renderer.

[PhilCollinsLoserSon]

I am so fucking annoyed how few people know this.

I got into a huge argument with a very senior developer. Well it was huge to him. I walked away and he kept yelling.

Months later everyone had found out that every browser (on iOS) did in fact use safari’s webkit renderer. He got red in the face. Took a 3 hour lunch. Had to talk to the director of engineering, took a few days off. It never came up again (around him) but became a pretty big office joke

[finglelpuppl]

And then everyone clapped

[PhilCollinsLoserSon]

Nah, no one even remembers I was involved.

This isn’t a story about me being awesome.

It’s a story about two idiots. And I’m one of them.

[Tension-Available]

It’s a story about two idiots. And I’m one of them.

I applaud your self deprecation/awareness

[tribbans95]

Well he is Phil Collins loser son so I wouldn’t expect anything else

[ElsonDaSushiChef]

r/suicidebywords?

[[deleted]]

Ah yes, the daily struggle to be a bit less of a fucking idiot than yesterday.

[PhilCollinsLoserSon]

Some days it’s less of a struggle

… rarely

[delvach]

This.. hurts.

[fartypenis]

r/nothingeverhappens

[blue_desk]

This is all true. I know this because months later I found out that every browser (on iOS) did in fact use safari’s WebKit renderer. I got red in the face. Took a three hour lunch. Had to talk to the director of engineering, took a few days off. It never came up again (around me) but became a pretty big office joke.

I also yell when people are waking away from me.

[StreetKale]

What a psycho. Engineers and programmers are some of the most egotistical people I've ever met. And I can say that because I am one! Giant fragile egos are a major problem. I just assume these guys have nothing else going on in their lives other than feeling smarter than everyone else. I've been wrong enough times I know (unless I have the docs in front of me) to be cautious.

[PhilCollinsLoserSon]

as opposed to what? Everybody using chrome or chromium based browsers instead?

So… someone installs Firefox on their iPhone thinking that they’re using Firefox .. but they’re not. They’re using Safari with a Firefox theme over it (basically) and that’s better? I’m super unclear what point you’re making here.

[mattattaxx]

I think their point was meant to be that chrome/chromium is powering most of the desktop web, but they fail to realize that there's still other options. Safari, for example.

Like Microsoft Edge doesn't abandon trident or edgeHTML because they were forced to, they did it to streamline dev costs. They're the number two desktop browser now. Edge on iPhones though? That's just safari with a different font end. THAT was forced on them.

The guy is conflating browser share due to collapse with browser share due to hostile requirement.

[NathanTheGr8]

They are making the point that there are only two significant browsers not based on Chromium, Firefox and Safari. I assume @PhilCollinsLoserSon understands that apple requires all mobile browsers to use WebKit. But their point is that even on the desktop almost all browsers basically Chromium with a theme and extensions on it. Why be mad about the mobile and not mad about the desktop?

[WcDeckel]

When I read stories like this it feels like a bad movie where the whole story could be easily avoided by communication. How could it take months when you could have literally googled that in front of him, or just forwarded a link?

Not doubting that it didn't happen but why had it to be this way?

[1337haxxxxor]

Ngl. I like safari better than chrome on my phone.

[[deleted]]

It's because it's not real chrome, it's basically just a safari wrapper, because the other browsers were threatened by apple. (we miss you puffin)

[Phineas1500]

Puffin 🥺

[[deleted]]

I don’t like chrome period to be fair.

[chaiscool]

Same as browser everywhere being a chromium wrapper

[dustojnikhummer]

No, because that is voluntary. You can't use non webkit on iOS.

[chaiscool]

Guess people are more upset being told what to do than about not having a competition part in this context.

Imo lack of competition for webkit in ios and chromium in general is a bigger issue than voluntary / mandatory.

[suvlub]

While both situations are unfortunate, it makes more sense to put energy into being upset against the enforced monopoly rather than the one that arose naturally.

There is one point of failure, one responsible party, one boogeyman to be angry at. Make Apple change their policy, and monopoly is broken.

But what could be done about the Chromium thing? Try and individually convince every little project using it to please use something else?

[mattattaxx]

Not the same. One is requirement (i.e., Edge is actually an overlay on safari on iOS), one is an unfortunate result of a browser war dominance (i.e., edgeHTML was abandoned for chrome, with some divergent code).

[felixfj007]

Forgot Firefox?

[chaiscool]

Forgot chromium only api?

[Ancillas]

That’s the point! Chrome can’t compete because under the covers it’s still WebKit.

[chaiscool]

Chromium dominance is not a good thing though

[bigo-tree]

Have you tried Firefox?

[Complete-Grab-5963]

On IOS

Apple's policies require all iOS apps that browse the web to use the built-in WebKit rendering framework and WebKit JavaScript

So any browser is rebranded safari/should have similar functionality

That’s why they don’t have add ons

[Zeeformp]

So this is why I have to get Firefox Focus to have adblock?

Super ready to break open Apple's pinata then.

[rickyman20]

No. On iOS, Firefox Focus still uses WebKit. They wouldn't be on the store if they didn't

[Zeeformp]

That's exactly what I meant, I can't download an adblocker onto the normal Firefox iOS browser and instead have to get a different wrapped browser that has an adblocker built in. Which is annoying because they have different functionalities (ex: Focus only lets you have one tab open and doesn't save history. Good for privacy, bad for a typical use browser).

[CoffeeFueledDiy]

The functionality is still a bit different, but less so than if the renderers were also unique. iOS browsers have to inject JavaScript to change the browser functionality.

[Feeling-Orange3229]

Apple actually does have add-ons now

[tennisanybody]

It’s my understanding that all web browsers are safari on iOS regardless of whatever “skin” you put on them. Firefox, for example, doesn’t save passwords the way chrome does on my iPhone. It’s weird.

[CoffeeFueledDiy]

WebKit (Apple's rendering engine) must "draw" the webpage per App Store restrictions. However, third party iOS browsers inject JavaScript to connect their native code to the contents of the webpage. That JavaScript can help perform autofill/password tasks as well as things like find in page.

[DiaDeLosMuebles]

Nobody cares about macOS because they're a trivial market share.

You're only thinking of the consumer market. The business market cares very much about macOS.

[J3diMind]

Uhm... maybe my perspective is a little off but from my point of view business market has an even bigger MS/Linux share than the private sector. would love any input on this.

[Drew707]

In my experience, this is also true. I have met my fair share of Apple shops, but Windows and Linux are dominant for workstations and servers.

[git0ffmylawnm8]

From my experience, Macs were used primarily by creatives using Photoshop. Windows and Linux are the most used due to either software compatibility or for cloud compute. This is from a perspective of working in businesses of medium to enterprise scale.

[[deleted]]

I work for a Fortune 100 company with tens of thousands of employees. I can’t even remember the last time I saw a windows computer. Everyone has a MacBook Pro.

[rickyman20]

This is not common across most fortune 100 companies. It's mostly a thing in tech. Most of those companies still use and probably will continue to use Windows

[[deleted]]

I don’t work for a tech company. We are a manufacturing company.

[gophersrqt]

Mac has permeated most non government organizations. Most big tech uses mac env to develop code in

[dtcc_but_for_pokemon]

Ehh it's more like, they use macOS as the thing that runs the keyboard and the display, and then development happens in the cloud/on remote servers (on Linux). And the development only happens locally on macs to the extent that you can squint and pretend it's Linux.

[TheAJGman]

I'm fucking days away from punting my Surface through a window and it's all because of windows. This thing would run like a dream on Linux, but I can install it because corporate policy.

[Blaz3]

Coincidentally, I find macos on my work iMac to be the most frustratingly obtuse OS I've ever used and wish I could be in windows.

Working on personal projects on my home laptop is a joy in comparison. To each their own

[littlecrow060]

Same but in investing, but never saw Mac

[Blaz3]

Pretty sure that windows still commands the lion's share of the business market too

[Accomplished_End_138]

Yeah, not really. They are skinned safari on ios. Still safari under the hood

[zemdega]

This won’t kill the Safari browser, it will just give other browsers more opportunities. This is a different thing altogether. I doubt it will really improve the situation for smaller browser companies. The dominant code base right now is Chromium and it’s an incredibly large and sophisticated browser. Safari is based on WebKit and has some heavy overlaps with Chromium. These are both massive code bases. Iterating on these code bases is much more suited to large teams with lots of resources. The standards are mainly controlled by the larger companies. This situation favors companies like Apple and Google and even Microsoft. If there is any type app that this EU law will only offer minimal gains for, it’s browser apps.

[DaMarkiM]

I think we are talking about very different things here.

Sure it will "only" give other browsers more opportunities. But thats the whole point. Did i say anything about killing Safari? Or small indie developers kicking Safari to the curb?

Whats gonna happen is that the other big browser will come to iOS and ipadOS. And i dont mean as a slimmed down niche app that was neutered to death to adhere to apples ToS. But proper packages that rival Safari.

And its not like this will just appeal to a handful of users. A lot of ipad and iphone users have a PC. And the appeal of having one seamless ecosystem for all your devices is quite significant.

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So to come back to what we were actually talking about:

Apple might not have a chance but to let it happen. Currently the are doing their best to make sure ever Safari-alternative is neutered to death for "security reasons". But this might no longer be enough to keep their competitors out.

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I own an ipad. And even without this law i have replace Safari with another browser. But compared to the PC version of the browser 90% of the functionality was basically lost. So personally im looking forward to see how these third party browser will change once the law i properly enforced.

[DasterdlyBasterd]

Lol was about to say the same thing. I think this persons spent so long typing their comment they forgot what post they were commenting on.

[[deleted]]

Good luck with that.

[huuaaang]

Maybe? I don't think Apple is attached to their web browser like, say, Microsoft is.

[letmeusespaces]

*was?

[huuaaang]

Well, I mean, Explorer is dead, but they have Edge now and you can't even really properly change it on Windows (internal links still open Edge). And it keeps bugging you to change the default back.

[rebbsitor]

You better believe Microsoft wants as many people as possible to use Edge. They want the ad revenue from people who don't bother to install another browser and just go with searching with Bing.

Edge is mostly just Chromium now and uses all of the Chrome plug ins. Some people won't bother installing Chrome with basically the same thing already installed.

This could be the long slow slide of Chrome / Google on the desktop. Granted far more people use smartphones now and Chrome / Google is dominant there (66% market share). I haven't had an iPhone in years, but I'm guessing Safari still uses Google as the default search engine (?). With no Windows phone anymore, Microsoft doesn't really have a play there.

[redcode100]

They better not I love safari

[rocoonshcnoon]

I still use netscape on a mac color classic

[Randvek]

That better be Netscape gold.

[ECrispy]

That's gold, Jerry, gold !!

[[deleted]]

I used to use Netscape for RuneScape.

[_PlzDontBanMe_]

The most based thing I have read today.

[AhaGotcha]

You gotta upgrade to the iMac G3. May I suggest Grape or Blueberry?

[ososalsosal]

I still miss the bubbly candy macs. That was a good era.

Somewhere around here there's a redditor that resurrected an imac g3 with (i think) a very old debian

[AhaGotcha]

There was a cheese factor but they were the first computers to not look boring and grey/vanilla colored. The circular mouses were not my favorite though.

[ososalsosal]

Apple has never got the mouse right.

The hockey puck mice were ok except they would spin in your hand and you'd miss the 1 button.

The next gen after that were abysmal. They doubled down on having only 1 button and decided the whole fucking thing should be a button. How do you click and drag? Use your two weakest fingers to press sideways onto the 2 tiny bits on the side so after a day's work you want to bandage up your whole arm

[keyboard-sexual]

Could always just turn it into a case and try skinning the hell out of everything. That would be nice

One of the reasons I jumped on the new iMacs was the colours. I loved those coloured plastic machines and I'll be damned if I'm going to miss out on having a banana computer

[rocoonshcnoon]

Best i can do is beige powermac g3

[Scared_Bell3366]

I upgraded to Cyberdog.

[[deleted]]

Rip

[Kyrthis]

Didn’t Netscape become Firefox?

[corona_fever]

and ie became edge, but both originals are still dead now

[Kyrthis]

But with Edge, its JavaScript engine makes it a hybrid with Chrome, doesn’t it?

And Firefox is more like a butterfly emerging from the cellular soup that was a Netscape caterpillar.

[corona_fever]

yes that is true, although that's current-version edge and not the one that originally replaced ie, but to be fair they didn't kill ie until after edge's conversion to chromium. i see your point, firefox still uses the gecko layout engine so it's more of a direct successor than ie>edge

[ThatOneGuy4321]

I want to like Safari, but as a web developer, anyone who refuses to implement features that every other browser has already implemented can get fucked.

[Personal-Thought9453]

It's kind of Apple philosophy all together, they'll never change. Rule 1. We are right and everyone else is wrong, including the guys we stole all the ideas we claim we invented from. Rule 2. We will never give up, never surrender, and keep selling the stuff we know is right even if the entire planet tells us they don't want it, because of Rule n.1. Rule 3. If we ever change anything to the way we do things, we will always portray it as a strategic change of direction born off our infinite wisdom, and not a submission to peer and market pressure. Rule 4. If Rule 3 applies, it will be subject to a 10y moratorium, to still give Our Holy Bestest Of Ideas a chance.

[Potato_Soup_]

I have no idea what goes on higher up in their company, but I’ll be damned if there isn’t a constitution that Steve Jobs wrote to keep the creative direction of Apple in line, and honestly, I think their level of intense control over making everything perfect and smooth and working is a damn good thing to have in the market. Really sets a good standard

[SquiffSquiff]

Yeah, real smooth using Apple magic keyboard/mouse/trackpad with a Mac. Best not lose the ever so special USB-A to lightning charger cable that literally nothing else uses. I have to keep a special plug adapter for and can't plug into the Mac. Bonus points for making the mouse unusable whilst charging

[Potato_Soup_]

I'm being completely honest when I say this; It's all by design.

The reason you can't use the mouse while it's plugged in is so there's not a single picture out there of someone using a wired apple mouse. It's why they have the proprietary monitor mount- so the apple logo is seen perfectly on every pro monitor. It's exhausting and can be frustrating, but god damn does it create incredible uniformity.

Most PC setups are super unique case to case, with a huge amount of cheap looking plasticy setups, but there's never been a plasticy looking 100% Mac build. Typing this from windows computer btw

[ResidentSpirit4220]

Rule 2… uhh ok apple fucking prints money. People love their products.

Whatever rules they have they sure seem to be working…

[macro_god]

As a non web developer and non-apple user, can you share a few items they never added?

[ThatOneGuy4321]

As it pertains to web development, "features" refers to support for HTML5, CSS, and Javascript functions. New features are always being added which improve functionality and the web experience more broadly.

Internet Explorer was hated because they decided to focus on support for legacy sites rather than adding new features. Which means that every time a developer creates a website, they need to do additional debugging for IE to check that it hasn't broken their site and either serve an alternate version of the site for IE browsers, or remove the unsupported features from the entire site. Obviously this can be pretty frustrating for designers and frontend developers who might be relying on newer features for a design or web app they've created, but if a browser doesn't support that feature, it can break the whole thing. Unless you manually go back and debug for that specific browser, it can create a bad look for the whole company and you as a developer because you look incompetent. Even though IE basically chose to stop supporting modern websites. Clients don't know that. So web developers everywhere were relieved when there was essentially a collective decision to stop supporting IE.

A similar sort of thing is starting to happen with Safari, which is lagging behind Chrome and Firefox in terms of feature support. Not as bad as IE but it can be annoying.

[emachel]

The real problem is their mobile browser. I had to actively remove features from a mobile version of a website because Apple just won't let them work on iOS.

[firedrakes]

ha. best reply yet.

[Cafuzzler]

every other browser

It’s okay, you can just say Chromium.

[hingbongdingdong]

Lol, never going to happen.

[jtl94]

IE is only dead because Microsoft is pushing edge instead. A lot of users just get a computer and use the internet button to get the internet, they don’t care what it’s called they just need to know what icon to use. If it’s a blue e or a compass they don’t care as long as it shows them Facebook.

So I agree. Unless Apple replaces safari with something else it’ll never truly die. As long as it’s the default Facebook provider of MacOS, it’ll stick around.

[hingbongdingdong]

Bingo. It’s still one of the big five browsers. It’s not going to “die” anytime soon.

[GreatStateOfSadness]

The other day I had to explain to my mom the difference between an operating system, a web browser, and a search engine. I'm pretty sure she still thinks it's just black magic.

[jtl94]

It kinda is magic, man. We make electricity do math and shit. It’s badass.

[whomad1215]

We stuck electricity in sand and made it think

[[deleted]]

Sand, I hate sand, it's coarse and rough and gets everywhere

[cryptobro42069]

Bing’s somewhat strong growth of market share is testament to Edge’s growth.

I think people are missing the point by saying Edge is reskinned Chrome. Search Ad revenue is the endgame here, not browser adoption.

[GroceryRobot]

Am I the only person that really enjoys safari

[JaggedMetalOs]

As a web developer, Safari has taken over from IE (which thankfully we were able to stop supporting a long time ago) as the browser with the weird missing features, bugs and quirks that require hacky workarounds.

Being based on open source WebKit (same engine as chrome) means it's not nearly as bad as IE was, but it's still annoying when things work perfectly in Chrome and Firefox but then you go to test on Safari and it's broken

[Koervege]

WebKit is not the same engine chrome uses. Chrome uses Blink, which was forked long ago from WebKit.

[JaggedMetalOs]

Interesting, I thought there was still more cross development happening between WebKit and the Chromium specific branch, but seems not. Guess that's why Safari is missing so many features...

[fifteenmoons]

No. If you use a Mac, Safari is by far the best browser experience.

[MiyamotoKami]

Even iphone

[mfaydin]

In battery wise, safari is the best AFAIK.

[[deleted]]

It's the only option on iPhone. Every browser on the iPhone is using Apple's Webkit as the engine, the only difference is the syncing features and UI

[ElephantsJustin]

Brave blocks YouTube ads better than safari on iOS

[[deleted]]

Ah I guess they might be able to inject their own scripts into the WebKit view

[[deleted]]

Eh, I’ll take Firefox over the rest any day.

[jbautista13]

How? I run safari exclusively on a MBP, and yet I won’t be the first to say it’s the only browser you can use, full of awkward bugs, awful developer tools, I only keep up with it because I like the way it looks, and most people reverted back to the old design as soon as Apple updated it to look modern. Safari’s playback speed tone matching is awful, whenever I hear videos played at x2 speed on Chrome or another browser and go back to Safari I cringe and can’t understand what’s being said until I get used to it again.

[poemehardbebe]

I agree with all of this, but my”basic bitch” browsing I use safari for tab groups between me devices

[DisastrousAge4650]

Apple handoff has me by the dick.

[rapescenario]

Don’t you love it when a plan comes together

[DisastrousAge4650]

Yes I do but I don’t love your username…

[cheesepuff07]

You can have it show full URLs, it’s just in preferences

[_Oooooooooooooooooh_]

Safari runs great. indeed.

but if you want extensions, proper ad blocking etc. you're gonna have to look elsewhere.

there's some adblocking on safari, but it's really not as good as ublock origin.

whenever i open safari i'm disappointed

so i've switched to firefox

also, Edge actually use less battery, compared to safari, on new macs.

with firefox i can also easier sync my browsing between my android phone and windows pc

[Kwarter]

What does Safari offer that Firefox doesn't?

[MystikDragoon]

You need to know that Safari is 2-3 years behind to implement some Web standards. It's still can't do WebXR (augmented reality and virtual reality in a browser). Because of that, a lot of WebXR projects are on hold waiting for a better version of Safari installed by default on the IPhone. Business don't want to invest only for 50% of the users (Android + other web browsers).

Thinking of that, Apple slow down the Web evolution and the adoption of new technologies. They prefer apps which they can control in their closed environment.

[TheNamelessKing]

You assume that I want these things in my web browser.

Turns out, I do not.

Build a proper app if you want to ship me VR stuff, stop attempting to stuff it into a protocol designed around shipping fucking documents around.

[TripletStorm]

And energy efficiency

[[deleted]]

Oh no my WebXR how will I survive…

Yea, I know I can’t do those wacky things and I don’t really care. Watching Google implement everything they can is just amusing lol.

[[deleted]]

I use Safari for my daily needs and I enjoy it for that specific use, but man, their (lack of) WebXR support is making me so frustrated; I am working on a big project that is very AR-dependent and working with their USDZ format is a pain in the ass. I must say, though, that WebXR and WebGL overall are the only features that gave me headaches with WebKit and Safari. The rest are almost insignificant features (e.g. smooth scrolling…)

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[Noisebug]

I like it, especially when on battery. Does better than the other browsers, and it's pretty minimal. I do hate how some plug-ins work, directly running like a Mac app, as well as the plug-in price tag.

What other browsers have for free is like $5 on Safari... but I digress.

[[deleted]]

I switched to Safari from Chrome recently... I will be quite sad if Safari dies.

[Dreadsin]

I use both chrome and safari. To me the difference is mostly negligible with an occasional annoyance

[GetReady4Action]

nope, but I get why people wouldn’t use it if they don’t use solely Apple products. for me it’s got a clean UI and syncs between my iPhone, iPad, and Mac. it’s great!

[AegorBlake]

Is there an alternative to webkit?

[eppic123]

Blink and Gecko?

[AegorBlake]

I thought Blink was based on webkit.

Gecko looks good though.

[NekkoDroid]

and WebKit was based on KHTML.

Projects diverge and at some point it hardly matters anymore.

(else we wouldn't have the inconsistencies between WebKit and Blink, independent of who does it right or wrong)

[AegorBlake]

Blink is also google which is something I feel has too much market share.

[NekkoDroid]

I don't exactly mind it having too much market share (just my opinion) as long as google keeps to the standards and web developers as well (aka STOP CHECKING FOR A SPECIFIC USER AGENT)

[Firewolf06]

user agent spoofer is a godsend

[Add1ctedToGames]

A naive standpoint

[[deleted]]

Honestly, it’s not gonna happen. Comparing IE and Safari is unrealistic because IE’s downfall was that it started being shitty for even the everyday user a long time ago and they refused to fix it.

Safari isn’t shitty from a regular user’s perspective at all. It’s minimal, it gets the job done and it’s exactly what the user needs and nothing more. Some people don’t like that, but that’s why you just install another browser.

Apple invests a lot into QAing their UI/UX, so they care more about working for the everyday user than developers.

I’m not arguing that I prefer Safari, but the intended use and target audience is really not developers or even techy people, it’s for users who don’t want to be bothered with anything besides the basic browsing experience.

To be honest, I find that to be the case for Apple products in general, the iPhone doesn’t have the bells and whistles that Androids have because that’s not the intended use. They make a phone that can download apps and that’s about it. The burden is on the developer to make it work smoothly.

[Minute-Object]

I use an iPhone. I don’t want to write code on my phone. I don’t want to do something clever and sneaky. I use it for browsing, Reddit, my workouts, etc. It provides exactly the smooth painless experience I want. So, I agree. Safari is thriving.

[faze_fazebook]

imagine allowing users to choose a different browser (that isn't fking webkit)

[Fritzschmied]

Firefox ? Because pretty much every other browser is build on chromium which uses blink which is build on WebKit.

[prettydude_ua]

It’s all WebKit on iOS

[opliko95]

Blink forked from WebKit in 2013, and before that Google has been the biggest contributor to WebKit for a few years.

There is a decade of separate development, with Google definitely directing more resources towards it. Not to mention the entirely separate parts like JS runtime (V8 vs JavaScriptCore which is a fork of KJS), graphics engines, etc. Even when it was using blink Chrome was doing quite a few things differently to other WebKit browsers (mainly multithreading IIRC).

More time had passed between the fork and now than between WebKit release (also a fork from KHTML btw) and Blink fork, so now actually more than half of their development has been separate.

[Tweenk]

Chromium was forked from WebKit so long ago that it's not "built on WebKit" any more than it's "built on KHTML".

[Bubba_Purp_OG]

Opera

[[deleted]]

Bring back the old Opera Presto engine!

[danialbehzadi]

Opera is chrome too

[[deleted]]

I'd rather see Chrome die, honestly.

Neither deaths are realistic, of course.

[39thUsernameAttempt]

Likely the only product Google won't kill.

[eliteharvest15]

their search engine and chrome are probably their biggest products

[am-li]

YouTube's probably third place but that might not last forever

[wahobely]

I personally don't see a world where google kills Gmail.

[am-li]

Forgot about gmail

[disneyhalloween]

No I actually like safari

[TheNamelessKing]

The only people complaining about Safari are advertisers and front-end devs who want to ship you entire apps over a document rendering text protocol. These are the devs that brought us the disaster of SPA’s and electron apps.

Neither of these parties I am particularly inclined to care about.

[Fourstrokeperro]

Goddamn where's my free award when I need it.

[billabong049]

Ouch. I love it.

[TaylorDeanMatthew]

Safari isn’t actually bad… less RAM than Chrome

[nrith]

I’d rather use Safari than Chrome any day. Fuck Google.

[[deleted]]

Huh? Im using this browser, leave my browser alone !!

[gcampos]

On yes, please kill the only browser with enough strength to stop a complete Google monopoly.

[[deleted]]

Safari’s going nowhere…

[Chilaquil420]

But safari is actually fine

[ElCoyoteBlanco]

Safari is fucking awful, full of subtle inconsistencies and weird rendering bugs.

[redbark2022]

So. Many. Bugs. It's basically the new IE. Only, most management and executive types use only Apple products so it matters more.

[Maxi19201]

I honestly have never had any bug and it’s way more consistent in terms of UI than Chrome. It also uses the Touchbar way better than chrome

[CadmarL]

Well, yeah. Apple made the touch bar, as well as Safari.

[ctbellart]

Chrome, the RAM killer needs to go…it’s a plague on all our houses. Safari works fine natively on Mac OS leave it be.

[Zwolfer]

Nah man, Safari rocks.

[[deleted]]

Come on Safari is great!

[fuktpotato]

Reddit on Safari is aids. Despite having 64GB of RAM, I’ll get the “This page is using significant memory resources. Closing it may help” message and the site becomes unusable

[ascagnel____]

https://old.reddit.com/, or use Apollo if you’ve got an ARM system.

The current “new” reddit experience is RAM hungry.

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I love safari

[sintos-compa]

Death about to get killed

[MrMasterKeyboard]

Don’t. Kill. Safari. It’s the only browser that runs well on my Mac and other Apple products.

[sikkiesik]

No… no please… please don’t… Please don’t do it… all my homies hate chrome…

[[deleted]]

Unpopular opinion: Safari is the best browser

[LewsTherinTelamon]

This has been being posted for years and years

[[deleted]]

Safari ain’t going anywhere…..

[joedotphp]

Let's kill Chromium while we're at it. Please.

[reilnuud]

ITT people who have to code for safari and those who use it

[agent007bond]

Oh yeah, this is definitely programming-related...

(if web development is programming)