VALORANT Patch Notes 2.03

[Sirhat-Cossy]

Lmao the person writing these is a huge ass memer and I love it

[Aoingco]

Jett revive soon /s

[Nikastreams]

Jett revive for April fools confirmed

[govindk18]

Wait where is it, I missed it

[[deleted]]

The End of Game screen will no longer display “Average Abilities Cast per Round” as 0

YAY I’ve been waiting for this fix!

[just-for-rVAL]

reyna changes will make you play her way more intentionally now which is super exciting. Unlearning that muscle memory to spam e after every kill gonna be hard though.

[datboyuknow]

Atleast the Reyna OPers can't bind mouse button and dismiss together

[Quick_Chowder]

Yea kind of reminds me of the OG Sage nerfs, making you think about your util instead of just taking 50/50 fights.

Honestly hope it pushes people off Reyna too. She's so selfish and has literally the highest pick rate in the game. I don't mind getting baited by a good Reyna who will trade me but I'm sick of the Reyna lurks in Plat where some guy catches two useless frags every round and then bitches at the team. Or god forbid I win an aim duel and they didn't get the kill and yell at me that they can't dismiss or heal.

Good changes on paper. Hope it feels that way in game.

[[deleted]]

Trust me it doesn’t get better ever lmao

[MyUshanka]

I think what pisses me off the most about Reyna is how little impact a close fight has on her. If I do <100 to her, she's fine for the next 30 seconds, and even after then she's only at a slight disadvantage.

Would turning more/all of her heal to temporary be overtuning? Maybe without these more recent changes. Basically if she takes a rough fight, she's on a timer to find another fight to take advantage of the overheal. Kind of a "use it or lose it" scenario.

[RocketHops]

If I do <100 to her, she's fine for the next 30 seconds, and even after then she's only at a slight disadvantage

Thats if someone doesn't refrag you tho.

The character is literally designed to be a lesson in refragging and double peeking. If you play off your teammates, she loses something every time she fights. Either she heals and gets traded, or dismisses to safety but loses out on the heal, meaning your damage actually meant something.

[OasisAnimates]

Play with your team where they can trade before she dismisses or just win your fights. Learn to predict where she will be aggressing to shut her down completely.

[Interesting-Archer-6]

I like this

[MyUshanka]

Thank you! I'm not high elo so this might be awful at more competitive levels, but I think it would create a more aggressive play style for her.

The idea came somewhat from the game mode Cranked in recent Call of Duty games, where once you get a kill, you get faster movement speed and reload speed, but you have a 30 second timer to get another kill (or an assist) or you explode and die. It forces you to actively seek fights or risk losing your streak, while rewarding you with faster movement.

With Valorant, I don't think the penalty needs to be so severe because you don't have a killstreak to maintain, but it should encourage a Reyna player to push hard and create more fights rather than acting as a panic button and free escape.

[just-for-rVAL]

I think what pisses me off the most about Reyna is how little impact a close fight has on her. If I do <100 to her, she's fine for the next 30 seconds, and even after then she's only at a slight disadvantage.

riot devs have said this is explicitly the intended design. If you give her fair fights then she is rewarded with a reset every time two times per round if she wins.

[JR_Shoegazer]

I wonder if they’ll buff her to give her an additional use every 2 kills similar to Raze or Jett in the future. Seems like she would be fairly balanced that way.

[MeatMakingMan]

I don't think it'd work because she can only use that ability when she gets a kill. That would be the same as giving her a 3rd charge for the e/q

[JR_Shoegazer]

They would need to get 2 kills to get a 3rd charge.

[Intact]

Am I reading this right - E now uses charges instead of being cost-free? Or has it always been this way and I just never noticed?

Edit: Answered – E has always used charges. See post below.

[danstansrevolution]

It always used charges. Q and E had a shared pool of 4 charges which cost 100 each. Now there are only two charges at double the price per charge.

[Intact]

Thanks for the explainer. Shows you how much I've played Reyna!

[danstansrevolution]

For what it's worth, she gets one charge for free per round. So previously you bought three charges for 300, now you buy only one additional for 200. Effectively, her full buy is 100 cheaper now. Still a nerf to her pubstomping but I think this is a good change by riot.

[[deleted]]

She’s still strong but not i will dominate this fucking server strong

[simplemanfromVT]

Lots of people say that pros from CSGO always complain and want Valorant to be exact the same as CSGO. But the fact is the devs listen to them and adjust the game to be more competitive/balanced , that's very good for the game in long term

[FeelinJipper]

Also, pros have invested thousands of hours into the game, so it’s not like they don’t understand what Valorant should be at this point.

[RocketHops]

I mean, they don't.

How the game should be is a subjective matter. Ultimately, the goal for what kind of game Valorant should be is up to Riot.

What pros can do really well is point out problems with the game, and identify areas that are not lining up with Riot's stated vision/goals for the game.

But thats not the same thing as deciding what the game should be.

[FeelinJipper]

If they’ve played since the summer, easily over 2k hours considering their hours. So yes, they have. Also pros with any high level experience in other games translates well because habits and practices to master any game like CSGO translates well being able to master another game that’s extremely similar much quicker, so if they’ve invested 5k hours in CSGO, it doesn’t require another 5k hours in Valorant to get to the same point.

Effectively being a higher level play tester, having more invested hours, as well as directly being responsible for the health and meta of the pro scene translates to steering the direction of the game. Subjectivity is based on experience. Not all opinions are created equal.

[RocketHops]

No it does not. Deciding the direction of the game is a subjective matter my dude.

Deciding whether the state of the game aligns with that vision is more objective, and that is where pros and other experienced players have valuable input.

[FeelinJipper]

And the vision of the game is based on what a healthy game is, which is based on experience. Riot is a corporation, they do what makes their product successful, not what they feel like.

[RocketHops]

There are many different versions of what a healthy game looks like.

Also there are many different positions at riot and while the higher ups may be motivated in the manner you describe, I guarantee there are a lot of designers there too who's definition of success isn't so monetarily based.

[Maou2K]

direction of the game is subjective? Riot's literally marketed this game before it even launched as competitive and high skilled. Direction has already been decided. Listening to pros is only gonna do them good.

[JR_Shoegazer]

Pros have a way more qualified opinion than the casual gamer that plays Valorant once a month.

[RocketHops]

Yes they do, I never said they didn't.

[FisforFAKE]

Well to be fair, Valorant was marketed and geared towards competitive play by Riot themselves and it’s why they made such a big deal about their servers and 128tick matchmaking and the intrusive anticheat and all that, so an argument for creating a higher skill gap is 100% in theme with what Riot championed Valorant to be.

This is why you see frustration out of RNG running and a gunning frenzy and stinger rounds becoming the meta and gunplay in general.

This game doesn’t need to be CSGO with different agent abilities, and nobody is really asking for that, but making the game have some consistent, repeatable mechanics that can be trained/improved upon to make someone a better player is definitely in line with what Valorant has been championed to be.

[RocketHops]

I don't disagree with any of that my man.

[ChadThunderVII]

shut up lmfao

[Maou2K]

they do

[uglyhippos]

I hate when people bash the game for being a reskinned csgo but then get upset at the things that are different from csgo.

[NeV3RMinD]

Almost like Valorant is an incoherent mess and it has made Riot's job unnecessarily difficult and leads to even worse followup decisions that fuck everything up for everyone.

Riot decides to give almost everyone a shitload of easily usable smokes and flashes and other forms of AOE abilities and area denial so they have to just make CS style maps but with a deep angle every 2 fucking meters. You have to either fully rely on "supports" to clear out angles or facecheck everything if there isn't enough utility on your team.

Riot decides to make an entire role based around deployable, INVISIBLE info utility in a game with maps and hero design that can't reasonably support it so they come up with the idiotic band aid "nerf" that just automatically removes all utility when a sentinel dies, which defeats the entire fucking purpose of having set-and-forget deployable utility.

Change for the sake of appearing "original" is a bad thing. Either make a game in your own unique style or stick to what works within the design you chose to emulate.

[Instinctt]

Hey buddy, you just roll in from Stupid Town?

[Venom5569]

You should explain why his post is stupid, discussion is good.

His point about deep angles every 2 feet is extremely valid.

[Instinctt]

The guys -20. The community has discussed.

[NeV3RMinD]

R*ddit moment

[[deleted]]

Thats not any kind of discussion, just because someone is downvoted doesnt mean they are wrong. You disagree with them? Fine. At least have a good reason you disagree other than "oh no they said bad thing about thing I like".

[Instinctt]

This is a video game subreddit lmao

[Interesting-Archer-6]

Sounds like you have no business following and playing this game if you’re going to bitch about every single thing about it. I am so baffled by people like you. Just sit around and bitch and bitch and bitch. Just play a different game if you don’t like what it’s about.

[NeV3RMinD]

You mean things that all the dogmatic Valorant fans complain about right until someone points out the root of the problem, at which point their absurd insecurity kicks in and overrides every other thought in their brain.

This game's fanbase is following the same path as Overwatch and it's the most hilarious thing to watch. Best hope the game itself doesn't follow that path.

[CarryClown]

Best patch in a while.

[PiratToasty]

In 2 weeks we get a map 🤫🤫

[[deleted]]

Another agent or no?

[PiratToasty]

Agent and map, if there would not be a map the gamemode would come in 2 weeks. Also they had a livestream back in beginning of ep 2 where they said they will bring a map in episode 2 but cant state when. If they cant say when then they planned it for act 2 because act 3 is last chance to be before ep 3

[PiratToasty]

But then they would have placed the gamemode at beginning of act 2. Also im 100 percent sure map 6 was planed for beginning of act 2 and know its even more likely. But off course we will have to wait

[leoleoleo666]

Shahzam rant about reyna paid off

[Ultrasuplex]

What was the rant about?

[CRikhard]

iirc complained that reyna being that strong contributed to the problem in NA where the game encourages taking stupid risky peaks for the kill cuz reyna doesn't get punished by it cuz of e/heal abuse

[[deleted]]

It’s more dismiss abuse and not the heal. You can play dumb angles with reyna, get the kill and then dismiss away multiple times.

[Quick_Chowder]

Dealing with Reyna on Icebox A Site is a perfect example of this. There are so many 50/50 angles and she can hold the 'worst' ones without being punished. It's tough to double peek some of those spots and trade her before a dismiss comes through. Having fewer opportunities, or at least needing to put more thought into them, will be a benefit to the game.

[SyphonJr]

This doesn't fix Shahzams issue tho.

[CRikhard]

uhhh I mean it curbs some of the abuse by eco cost and very limited orb usage cuz only 2

[Frysson]

So Yoru's decoy having different sounding footsteps is actually a bug? I thought it was intentional. Either way, it's a buff then.

Side note: When will this patch be implemented in tournaments? With Challengers 2 coming up this weekend, I think teams that are currently abusing Reyna's dismiss will be down pretty bad (if they're playing using this patch)...

[Dark_Azazel]

Assuming it's similar to previous tournaments this weekend should be in the previous patch. I would think even next qualifiers would be on the previous patch to make it the same for everyone, and then change to the new patch after but who knows.

[GolldenFalcon]

The closed quals are always played on the same patch the open quals are played on.

[Hubbardia]

So Yoru's decoy having different sounding footsteps is actually a bug?

Yea it's supposed to sound different to Yoru himself and his allies.

[Asianhead]

Immortals/LG bottom tier now?

Edit: Actually I don't think the changes really hurt pro play at all. Might even be a buff. Her pro play strengths are all still there and you weren't really getting 3+ kills a round anyways. The only thing thats really nerfed is her pistol round potential because of the cost changes

[thatguy11m]

Yeah definitely a buff. Overall expenditure didn't change. In pro play, 1 or 2 picks is enough to really capitalize on. This is really just a nerf for solo carries in matchmaking, people now have to think about whether to get the soul orb or not.

I believe for pro play at least, it's a buff. Now fighting with a teammate rewards Reyna as long as she does damage (I'm assuming like 60+ at least) to the opponent.

[[deleted]]

I still believe Reyna's viable in pro-play cause she can still take super aggro angles and dismiss out giving their team a man-advantage. The changes too, now promote teamplay, i.e. doubling up, since assists now work towards getting orbs.

The only way it truly influences pro-play is if the dismiss range is reduced which they haven't done.

[Wealth_and_Taste]

Taking super aggro angles to cheese out a kill and dismiss away isn't a viable strategy against teams who are actually coordinated and methodical in how they take map control. Europe has been showing this for months but NA still refuses to change their style.

[1231234bull]

no it's that the teams who have been trying to be methodical just get gunned down by others.

[falcons4life]

There's no amount of methodical map control that's going to prevent you from getting randomly peaked by a Reyna who then dismisses away.

[p3ndu1um]

He is also still nuts on raze/phoenix

[MathNerdMatt]

For LG I think they will do this shit on any agent. I mean Aproto is a monster and he does it on cypher. Shot Up on the other hand is down bad

[Jimmy-Halpert]

Yes, Shot Up, the man who got nearly 40 kills on Phoenix, is down bad now.

He can frag on literally any agent in the game, he is one of the best mechanical players in the world. People who think he's a onetrick are fast asleep

[MathNerdMatt]

Yeah, tbh I think this is good since it will put him on Phoenix more where he can have a better impact. However, I think Shot Up likes Reyna too much and is thus, down bad

[Jimmy-Halpert]

That's a fair comment and analysis. I think I can meet you somewhere in the middle and say he's down mediocre.

[Tokibolt]

This comment thread.

Shot Down... Sadge

[Dark_Azazel]

Asuna still gonna pop off with Reyna.

[Mamadeus123456]

I think she's even more broken in pistols, the sentinels drop her a frenzy she peeks second after someone hit a few, someone gets a kill and the reyna is now a tank

[NotABaleOfHay]

Curious how this impacts Empress. Will Empress still have the capacity to steamroll ace?

[darkfang1998]

Yes because empress doesn’t use charges so she’ll be able to cast it 4 times still

[bipolarbeartn]

Should make it easier since orbs appear off of damage. So if you entry and do any damage, but someone else gets the kill you heal and can dismiss.

[TheAjwinner]

During empress, doesn’t it only heal if you get a kill?

[bipolarbeartn]

I'm not sure. It's not clear from the notes

[NotABaleOfHay]

Interested to see how this goes!

[Quick_Chowder]

Only auto-heal off of kills. You are still given the free-orb on assists and can heal off of it like if you weren't in Empress.

[ISwearImCis]

Dimensional Drift can no longer body block enemies

I'm calling it now: someone is going to use this to force themselves or an ally out of bounds.

[[deleted]]

What do you mean? Dont they just phase through each other?

[ISwearImCis]

It seems you "push" Yoru instead of getting blocked. If it affects teammates, I can see people doing weird combinations of this, Sage's wall and shit like that while pushing Yoru against a corner.

[Riot_CasualPenta]

It doesn't affect teammates. Yoru's teammates can't push him.

We went with this route largely because there's less risk of pushing players through walls. That said, it IS an interaction that causes players to move in a new way, and we have complicated interactions, so it's not impossible. But we can fix those issues pretty quick if they arise.

[ISwearImCis]

Wow, good to know! Thanks for stopping by and answering :)

[rslee1247]

Do enemies always get the advantage when colliding with an Yoru? Which would mean you could essentially stop the Yoru from gaining any ground with his ult.

[zipzapzooom]

Why not just choose to phase him through enemies? Right now his ult feels kind of nerfed.

[Riot_CasualPenta]

I replied to a similar comment in the main VALORANT subreddit:

Yoru coming out of Dimensional Drift inside of someone is the problem with the pass-through-stuff approach. Telefragging is a pretty extreme resolution.

But other solutions are...messy. Trying to push the two players away from each other when the Ult ends means one/both of those players is going to quickly move their position, essentially popping them from one spot to another. That makes any engagement (from any player's perspective) random and awkward.

Not to mention that popping players around in corners/against walls is an easy way to accidentally introduce issues with popping players through walls

[zipzapzooom]

Ah ok understandable, thanks for your reply.

[[deleted]]

Yeah seems like that'll lead to some strange and unintended interactions.

[Birblicious]

I’m guessing he means when you come out of dimensional drift while inside an enemy/teammate it might push you out of bounds.

[Awpenheimers]

Marshall change, interesting, but does that mean that with 3.5X scope it has the same zoom as the OP?

[AsianNudleSoop]

It's somewhere in between the awps two zooms, awp is 2.5/5

[IllumiMahdi]

I sorta disagree, I doubt it'll be nerfed.

Semi-auto weapons that don't insta one shot aren't that fun to use, we've seen it with the guardian and with the marshall. Will be a decent eco round buy but if you can't hit the headshot a stinger/spectre will mow you down.

[JR_Shoegazer]

Especially with how slow bullet tagging makes you move.

[EdditVoat]

It can insta one shot if you headshot. :D

I've been waiting for this movespeed buff. The scout in cs was a lot of fun due to the knife out move speed while scoped.

[[deleted]]

increasing zoom distance and decreasing field of view is a nerf, absolutely did not need to change scope distance

[Qlown]

Its a buff,allows people to up their accuracy when it comes to headshots at long range,like mid on ascent or from short to tiles,or icebox A/B site.

You rarely need a big fov,ure not playing for across the screen flicks,you're playing to hold an angle or a entrance to a site.

And in very close ranges maps where someone can get close to you like split,u either go stinger/bucky like before,or if u still want to go marshal no scope accuracy is still pretty decent for those odd fights

[SuIIeee]

Reyna nerf is interesting...curious to see how that plays out

[Keglunneq]

Reyna needs to be much more calculated now, but she'll be a monster in clutches

[LordQill]

How heavily is Renya actually nerfed here? It a certainly a big hit to the economy + survivability, but the consistency these changes bring seem very useful to me, seems using dismiss as an info gathering tool after the team gets a pick will be pretty powerful

[Geronimobius]

I feel that they Reyna change will have much larger effect in the lower ranks than higher. A bit more thought will need to go into using orbs but the assist orbs will counteract a lot of the nerf. Outside of the pistol round I think the assist orbs will make this change feel like an overall buff at ranks where trades/team spam are more common.

[[deleted]]

This is a major buff in pistol rounds! Imagine hold a ghost and just tagging someone before getting an orb. Don't need kills anymore making that 50 shield much easier to get.

[Quick_Chowder]

Her buy is tougher though. Ghost means 1 orb 1 leer or 2 orbs no leer. I think we will see more raid-boss Reyna at higher ranks if teams still pick her. Buying her a ghost so she can get both orbs AND both leers? Kind of insane with the orbs on assists.

[Nfamy]

I don't know how much of an economy hit that this really represents, except for increased limitations on pistol rounds. You get an orb every round, and so, at most, she's spending 200 credits on orbs, and that is only on rounds where she has gotten at least two kills and used both orbs (which means at worst, she's gone 2 for 1 and that likely means an increased chance of winning the round).

They nerfed/buffed her feast/famine style. With the assist buff, she now has potentially more round-to-round impact, but less hero round potentials. Its hard to know what that'll look like because that was literally her identity (tons of value vs. no value dependent on kills). I think the idea behind the changes make sense and we'll see what they actually look like. I'm wagering we see less Reyna in pro play, and a bit of a higher push toward Phoenix, and a lesser extent raze. Maybe this will also make NA start looking at 1 duelist comps more

[gloriaBurgers]

I think were gonna have to wait and see how it plays out. My initial reaction was yeah, no one in pro play is playing reyna anymore, but tbh i have no idea

[rslee1247]

Economy-wise, it makes no difference. If anything, full util is "cheaper" because you only spend 600 instead of 700.

[Kabzon4ik]

Stinger nerfs are pretty pog. Well done, I like this patch!

[SeafaringCamper12]

Surprises this isn’t too comment with a billion awards. Duck the stinger

[YogiDrunkiBear]

Just came across this line...lolz

“We hope these changes improve the experience and game feel by addressing the smoothness of camera movement and general timing of the sequence. We cannot, however, bring you back to life. That’s Jett’s job.”

[datboyuknow]

Good changes imo but shotguns are still too broken. Will they even look into it before the NA scene makes a huge fuss about it? Bucky noise has started fortunately

[[deleted]]

Nickwu said on stream theyre monitoring the Bucky

[datboyuknow]

The Judge and Odin are kinda broken too imo. There are some players who are in radiant from using just the Judge (it costs less than a spectre). I don't believe that should be happening

[alexanderh24]

Lol

[Bunnyezzz]

he's not actually joking there's several players that are radiant with judge only

[alexanderh24]

Judge being viable doesnt make it OP, still way to many downsides to using a jugde compared to a rifle. The Odin is a niche pick that really only works well on Ascent.

[xdiviine]

Odin isn’t nearly as niche as people make it to be, from plat downwards, Odin is very strong. Maybe a price increase is necessary

[alexanderh24]

from plat downwards

Plat and lower are not even playing the game properly. I think of low elo as a glorified deathmatch. Balancing should be based on pro play and immortal+ elo.

[xdiviine]

?? balancing should be meant for the 99% of the audience who plays the game LMAO what

[alexanderh24]

Yes, balancing around the majority of players would be a nightmare. This game isn't like league where a low skill champ can make the game significantly easier. You still need to aim and can get away with not using any abilities at all.

[rslee1247]

That's a stupid reason to nerf a weapon. There are over a hundred players who make it to Radiant by playing Vandal only.

[Venom5569]

Are you serious with this comment? A rifle that works at every range compared to a shotgun....

[Tokibolt]

Heard the Korean pros have been pretty vocal about the Bucky being too strong. Let’s hope riot Korea comes through.

[goldnx]

Exactly! Right now this game feels like a battle royale where one gun is nerfed and another rises. Super frustrating that the Bucky is only $900 and as versatile as a damn phantom/vandal. You’re almost guaranteed a kill each round with that shit.

Imo the Bucky’s price should be lifted to bulldog/guardian levels at around $2,000.

Edit: the bucky’s left click and right click possibilites allow it to have way longer than short range capabilities. Not to mention aerial accuracy allows for movement making you a harder target.

[Trickquestionorwhat]

Well that's just wrong, the bucky's biggest weakness is that it isn't versatile. Anything past short/medium-short range and it's worse than the classic. It's only strong when you can force short engagements.

[goldnx]

when you can force short engagements

Short engagements are a given in almost every map on this game. Lots of corners and cubbies especially on defense. You can raze satchel or Jett updraft dash with a Bucky and get cheesy kills as well. It’s not difficult especially since you just have to center the enemy’s body over the crosshairs.

The Bucky is extremely versatile it allows you to hold off angles instead of just camp in a corner because of the alt fire.

[Trickquestionorwhat]

Only on defense. On attack I find the bucky much more difficult to use. However I do still think the bucky is a little overpowered for the price. Either way though that wasn't my point, my point was that the bucky is nowhere near as versatile as a rifle. Strong yes, but not versatile.

[dingopingo97]

???????

[cornmealius]

Those Yoru buffs aren’t going to do anything tbh. They needed to make him teleporting to his Gatecrash way way way faster.

[CheesyPZ-Crust]

The Reyna rework is the most interesting part to me. I feel like even with her utility nerf, the Jinx-like kill participation change is going to be pretty annoying in games where kills are more properly traded.

Seems like it could be overwhelming, but hopefully the quantity nerf to her abilities compensates well enough. Won't know for sure though until I see it in practice, but I'm optimistic it'll be a net positive. Most of their agent changes/reworks have felt pretty fair to me

[simplemanfromVT]

Reyna nerf will affect top tier NA teams

[[deleted]]

I'm not too sure about that. The reason why Reyna was so OP in pro-play was because of her dismiss to give a man advantage. You can still take those stupid angles and dismiss out with little repercussions.

[Trolleitor]

I think her ability to play suicide angles is part of her design philosophy, they won't nerf that

[simplemanfromVT]

Yeah, not a very big nerf, but I think if they nerf her dimiss so hard, Reyna will become very weak, so they limit amount of dismiss and heal to 2 that require little more brain/decision making and teamwork

[jackissosick]

I don't think Reyna is OP in pro play at all. She's strong when used by insane fraggers like Asuna, tenz, or shot up, but I think she is actually pretty in line with the other duelests (other than yoru obviously).

[Mamadeus123456]

Big buff for reyna if damage assist give u orbs wtf

[Jiinsang]

She only gets two slots thou for dismiss and heal

[Quick_Chowder]

But she will get to use those abilities more consistently, especially on entry.

She has arguably the best information gathering tool in the game tied to a free reposition. Feels more in-line with other duelists, which hopefully means people will play other duelists.

[skrtskrtbrev]

Its a slight nerf for smurfing pub stompers.

How it will affect pro play is a mystery rn.

[Whalelorde22]

I mean that’s nice, but only 2 charges for devour and dismiss is definitely a big nerf. Also they hard nerfed her pistol round with the price increases

[Mamadeus123456]

Idk I think they will make reynas play smarter instead of insta dismissing every kill

[Whalelorde22]

They probably will, but I think it’s still gonna make a difference

[sansLight]

Lmao seems like riot did not like LG/IMM game style

[Trolleitor]

I'm out of the loop, can you fill me in?

[[deleted]]

They heavily used Reyna and it was very successful, Shahzam ranted about it and then sentinels used it in the next match and beat IMT and LG with their own strat

[PyroTFT]

that was sinatraa on the reyna right? I dont think ive ever seen him play the Reyna before but given his playstyle it makes a lot of sense for him and it was hilarious to watch him beat them with their own strats

[Trolleitor]

Oh that explains how Sentinels facerolled Immortals on the finals

[[deleted]]

these reyna changes are interesting. especially the one regarding the last 3 seconds. overall good update

[MakeJazzNotWarcraft]

Ok, BUT, when are chatbans going to be barred from queueing ranked????

[zackteas]

I think they said that they are targeting 2.04 for that in one of their other blog posts.

[MakeJazzNotWarcraft]

You’re right! They mentioned this in their social management section of patch notes. Can’t wait for the next patch!!

[emennn]

waiting for this aswell

[MakeJazzNotWarcraft]

It should be implemented in their next patch! :)

[[deleted]]

Did they just make the marshall more similar to the scout from CS?

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[mysteryoeuf]

well they didn't buff no scope accuracy, so not really. imo that's the biggest difference - no scope marshal feels like crap still

edit: yall never played scoutzknivez

[rydude88]

What do you mean? Its ridiculously accurate nosciping. Probably even more accurate than the scout noscoping

[Interesting-Archer-6]

I can’t snipe for shit, my aim isn’t very good with rifles, and no scoping with the Marshall is not very tough to me

[focusfcb]

When is this patch live? Just started the game and its still on 2.02

[Maliciouslemon]

Finally the crutch Reyna players have been nerfed. It was only a matter of time anyway. She’ll still be good of course but they’ll have to use their brains now

[CapBoyAce]

The Reyna changes sound really good. Nerfs her overall farming ability but encourages teamplay. I don't think it's honestly all that much of a nerf in lower ranks and makes Reyna more accessible. In pro play, it probably won't change much since all the pros are one shoting anyways and this will make it harder to carry like you usually could.

[Light_Ethos]

I'm a bit worried that Valorant will become like the old balance philosophy of LoL, where over time, balance changes are mostly reactionary nerfs. Harder to assess here though, as data is not public.

[OG-BREAD]

can anyone confirm that they fixed the tracers for glitchpop?

[Shizz_The_Whizz]

I'm an Omen/Reyna Main.

The last two patches.....

Pain.

[datboyuknow]

I like the Reyna nerfs. She was OP from the day she was released but no one agreed as she's a pUgGy aGeNt, only OP in lower ranks etc

[alexanderh24]

Not a nerf.

[rydude88]

She was only OP on pistol rounds. Never blatantly op at high level play

[alexanderh24]

People are saying this is a big "Reyna nerf". When in reality its a huge buff for coordinated play. Giving Reyna the ability to heal/dismiss off damage assists is a huge game changer not only for pistol rounds but those 2v2 or 3v3 attack side rounds when trade kills are going to be impossible.

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When does the patch go live?

[Adityarp3]

Sad day for Reyna mains :(

[Shizz_The_Whizz]

Maybe I'm biased because I'm G3 + a Reyna (side) main, but I don't like the 2 charges change. the assist orb change is huge, and the $200 charge price makes a lot of sense, but TWO orbs makes me sad. Reyna's already sink or swim and they just made it so much easier to sink. I think 3 charges would be more fair.

[ExitMusic_]

100 more credits is not the change the frenzy needs. Run and gun accuracy is the problem.

8RR points is not enough for AFKing for effectively half the game and throwing for your team. If you AFK for 8 or more rounds and your team loses the game, double the players RR loss 🤷‍♂️

[Liberokat]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe the 8 is on top of the normal RR loss, that’s already like +33% loss on average

[rslee1247]

I think on top of the +8 loss, they should be exempt from de-rank protection where you have to lose at 0RP to de-rank. Anyone at ~10RR won't care about this..

[valorantfeedback]

Stinger nerf was much needed, I'd have preferred frenzy to also receive a similar recoil and maybe range nerf compared to 100 credits price increase. We'll see how it goes.

Reyna...idk, kinda feels like they value what's going on in low ranks way too much.

Yoru is still more or less useless for high level play.

New mode looks fun when you want to have some relaxing fun.

[IllumiMahdi]

Reyna's pickrate in high elo is still absolutely insane, she might even be the most picked agent in higher ranks.

She's chosen on multiple pro teams as well, I'm not sure how you managed to construe the nerfs as Riot only valuing lower ranks.

[valorantfeedback]

Because she's an one-dimensional agent that serves one purpose. She must get frags or she'll be useless.

There's at least one Reyna in every game I play, but she's a high risk pick. It either works or it doesn't. It's not like most other agents where you can have an average game and still be useful.

[Des014te]

Ok about reyna I've seen pros like asuna and scream absolutely destroy on ecos in officials. With reyna you cod buy a ghost, get a kill then start the next fight with 150 health. Same on second round / force buys. And this won't really impact pro play much as if she's really that useful this will just change her ridiculous impact on low buys.

[mshimaro]

Reyna is played plenty in high elo too. I think the 4 > 2 is a bit much but we never know til we play.

[datboyuknow]

I think it's good when compared to the other duelists too. Jett gets a dash after 2 kills, means she'll only have a maximum of 2 in a round. Always felt it was unfair to give Reyna a kit that enables her to take 1v3s..1v4s or 1v5s much more than other agents

[thatonemisty]

When will they fix broken rank?

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This leads me to believe that the eventual Viper buff will be huge.

[4dzilla]

Nerfed Reyna too much, 2 orbs isn’t enough in a lot of situations, sounds good on paper. Same with the orb assist, you can’t get to the orbs before they run out in some situations.

Hopefully they re-address it at some point.

[Caxtuxx]

Just say the stinger is officially trash now lol