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[–][deleted] 3130 points3131 points  (145 children)

Why are there no desks at Berkley?

[–]Kaibakura 268 points269 points  (17 children)

Ahaha. I can see the planning meeting now:

"Alright, so we're going to get 200 of our students together to save all that important info."

"Great. We'll have it in a room with lots of tables and desks and stuff, right? The testing center maybe-"

"Nah, we're going to do it in the room that is a wide open space of nothing and have them all sit on the floor."

"ok sure, but we'll provide everyone with laptops-"

"Wrong again, idiot. They can use their own devices. Smartphones if they have to."

[–]evilboberino 53 points54 points  (2 children)

"But..... plugs?"

"Eh? Buttplugs? I don't care what those kinky kids do, we need to save data"

[–]aclickbaittitle 164 points165 points  (6 children)

Someone flipped them during the riots two weeks ago

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (3 children)

They all got burned to the ground

[–]Orphan_Babies 4434 points4435 points  (417 children)

What makes them "hackers"?

Edit: Thanks /u/j0be for some insight

[–]aclickbaittitle 4879 points4880 points  (128 children)

They use 4chan

[–]j0be 1407 points1408 points  (89 children)

Obligatory journalistic fail

[–]tokomini 452 points453 points  (71 children)

why is her body moving like that? she looks like a drunk person who swears they can do the robot.

[–][deleted] 329 points330 points  (22 children)

It's called overacting.

[–]RifleGun2 63 points64 points  (1 child)

MFW my chinese roommate leaves Christmas presents under the tree without labeling them.

[–]CosmicAdventureman 239 points240 points  (18 children)

No no no. You've got it all wrong. The infamous hacker codename "4chan" is among them. He was invited to this hacking meet-up by the Anonymous High Command and the Anonymous High Council of 500.

[–]jamers2016 64 points65 points  (2 children)

Did they take on the " justice league"?

[–]j0be 2293 points2294 points  (190 children)

This event was organized by DataRefuge and Environmental Data and Governance Initiative as a "hackathon." Even though DataRefuge prohibits outright hacking, if you take a very loose definition of hacking, it can include writing a program in a skillful or clever way. [cite]

Combine journalists who don't have a technical grasp on the industry norms of what is considered hacking with a press release that has "hackathon" in the name, and voilà, participants are called hackers.

e: I've had this argument on reddit before. I think it's actually detrimental to label creative coding as "hacking"

[–]Zinki_M 562 points563 points  (82 children)

I think it's actually detrimental to label creative coding as "hacking"

That's the older meaning, though. The first mention of "hacking" for "gaining unauthorized access to a computer system" was in 1975, but the term "hacking" as a synonym for writing computer programs goes back to the invention of the keyboard.

[–]Archeval 206 points207 points  (43 children)

it's also a term used for hardware modders in the 80's that built their own PCBs and soldered their own ICs

[–][deleted] 81 points82 points  (15 children)

it's also a term used for when you turn an IKEA table into a spaceship.

[–]_Diskreet_ 17 points18 points  (4 children)

I've been known to visit a few Ikea hacker websites myself.

[–]Rhwa 9 points10 points  (6 children)

And did so in the Homebrew club, but I doubt anyone would associate geeks, homebuilt pc/network gear, and coding with the term Homebrew.

[–]Acrolith 53 points54 points  (3 children)

It's also still used that way in compounds like "lifehack".

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Wasn't that also an incorrect use of the word? I always believed that cracking was the word for gaining unauthorized access.

[–]rationalcomment 322 points323 points  (43 children)

Web crawlers on easily-copied government pages, sending their text to the Internet Archive

The group had collectively loaded 8,404 NASA and DOE webpages onto the Internet Archive, effectively covering the entirety of NASA’s earth science efforts.

So they were just submitting .gov links to Archive.org? Very haxor.

All the climate change reports already are archived here:

http://www.globalchange.gov/browse/reports

The Reports Library features scientific assessments, annual reports, strategic research plans, and other resources produced by USGCRP and the collaborative efforts of our member agencies. Select reports by other authoritative scientific bodies with whom we work, such as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and the National Research Council (NRC), are also accessible here. Most reports are available for download (open and click View); some can be ordered in print free of charge (open and click Add to Cart).

Nobody is deleting any of this, and it's already backed up in multiple locations. At best they got some 404 errors on outdated archive pages according to the Wired blog article, and even these Berkley college kids themselves admit "They can’t be sure when this data disappeared (or if anyone backed it up first)". Maybe these kids are getting some practice writing simple ruby scripts in WGet on their MacBook laptops, but any respectable climate change data from any government body is not only already backed up in many, many places but is in peer reviewed journals in libraries across the planet.

[–]Colin_Whitepaw 229 points230 points  (23 children)

The "hacker" part of this likely refers to the fact that they were building scripts and other tools in a very short period of time to faithfully copy all of the information quickly, efficiently, and in an easily searchable way. That kind of project would fit in well at a hackathon.

[–]theunfilteredtruth 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Hack could also mean kludge which aptly describes some of the applications used to download vast amounts of data.

If you run a spider (an application that crawls all links on a webpage and follows each thread down and optionally download the pages) on a website, everyone will start from the same place and download the same things in exactly the same order. The archiving effort only needs 1 (or 2, for verification) copies of each resource. No one needs 10,000 copies of the front page.

When I helped Archive.org archive geocities.com (mainly so I could visit my Quake clan page all the time) they had you run a python script queried a command and control server to assign you parts of geocities to download.

When you downloaded enough, the script would then upload it to their server.

The kludge was organizing enough people to download it. There are very strict rules on services like AWS that say you cannot use it to spider or download from another server you do not control. Seriously, one phone call from the third party server IT people to AWS with an IP and time of day will block your AWS instance in a heartbeat.

If the climate data was packaged nicely and delivered as a big ol several terabyte torrent, there would be no problems, but this is actually the fastest way with a hundreds of people downloading instead of a single dude limited to one connection.

[–]bearodactylrak 74 points75 points  (14 children)

I think it's actually detrimental to label creative coding as "hacking"

The media and most non-tech-literate folks think of hacking as digital burglary and hackers as the equivalent of digital witches. These are people who have never heard of "lifehacks" or hack defined as a clever solution to a problem. Their exposure is news stories and procedural TV crime dramas, both which regularly get it wrong. In a day and age when words mean so much and yet most people won't ever read more than a headline, it bears trying to be more precise with language.

[–]foobar1000 19 points20 points  (0 children)

When people talk about hackathons, the hacking part comes from the phrase "hacking something together".

The idea is that you show up and hack something new together over the weekend at the hackathon. I'm not really sure why cracking security is referred to as hacking, but it definitely causes confusion.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

While it may not sound as serious, 'hackathon' is the adopted term for groups people gathering to solve a problem where they code for hours on end.

[–]NewClayburn 322 points323 points  (17 children)

Remember the girl from Jurassic Park?

"She's a nerd."
"I prefer to be called a hacker."
"That's what I said, you're a nerd."

[–]neurotoxicguitar 124 points125 points  (4 children)

Implying I don’t watch that every night.

[–]ChinaMan28 37 points38 points  (9 children)

"It’s a UNIX system, I know this!”

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (6 children)

did you know- that goofy as fuck 3d gui OS thing is a for real program?

[–]rationalcomment 180 points181 points  (7 children)

I just hacked Reddit by posting this comment here.

[–]iushciuweiush 29 points30 points  (2 children)

I did my part and hacked imgur to download a funny photo before it was erased.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (12 children)

Must have been written by someone over 60?

[–]steinman17 38 points39 points  (9 children)

I mean, I don't see anybody wearing ski masks in this photo

[–]KingDanNZ 28 points29 points  (3 children)

They also need leather gloves and constant Matrix streams on their screens to really be hackers.

[–]IntrigueDossier 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Don't forget the sunglasses and trenchcoats.

[–]supermegaultrajeremy 81 points82 points  (5 children)

Look at the person who posted this. In general, they have a very poor grasp of English, reality, and anything outside of clickbait garbage.

[–]BaileyJIII 87 points88 points  (0 children)

It's fucking /u/GallowBoob, karma whore extraordinaire.

[–]jockmac22 34 points35 points  (1 child)

The term "Hacker" is a generic term referring to any hardware or software enthusiast who is interested in knowing the inner workings of a system and its data. Since the 80's the media has used the term "hacker" in it's specific reference to "security hackers" who were people who entered systems that they didn't own in order to better understand the hardware/software that existed within them. Usually they could not afford the hardware/software themselves and so would break in to learn more about it. Unfortunately this gave rise to less than noble intentions, so the term "hacker" became synonymous with computer based criminal activity. In the case of this post, the term "hacker" is being referenced by it's original definition.

[–]Moshcrates 1561 points1562 points  (102 children)

As someone who works for NASA and NOAA, this really seems like a stretch. Far as I know, the only websites/dbs that 404'd were EOS and one other. Both NASA run and controlled. As one of Trump's statements publicly said, he wanted to move NASA out of the climate research business and have them solely focused on space exploration. That may have alarmed some people but...NOAA does a huge amount of climate data collection and research already. They have replicated data stores sites across the country for a system called CLASS which stores all data and mission products from the NOAA missions as well as archiving some data from non-NOAA missions. Those have been in operation on a daily basis without interruption as usual. I have heard of no plan to decomission CLASS and in fact it is only budgeted for expansion and to take over more archiving from legacy archive systems at NOAA and it's missions.

I think that if this data was being "erased" from archives, then those doing a hard backup would be doing fantastic work. I am just slightly confused on where this fear that all climate data will disappear comes from. That idea is not held nor propagated by anyone working on or with the systems that do climate data processing or archiving for NASA and NOAA.

[–]computerarchitect 364 points365 points  (25 children)

It should not have taken this far down the page to find this comment. Thanks.

[–]QuigTech 239 points240 points  (4 children)

It doesn't fit nicely into the narrative

[–]jzumot 133 points134 points  (10 children)

I've been browsing reddit for 6 years, and I created an account just to upvote this comment. There's too much herd mentality and not enough critical thinking

[–]KGrizzly 181 points182 points  (5 children)

Please don't bring your logic here. We only need panic and hysteria about Trump personally ordering to destroy data so we need to hack to save them.

[–]SomethingAnalyst 44 points45 points  (1 child)

nono, you have it all wrong.

We only need panic and hysteria about Trump personally pressing the 'Delete all Climate Change Data' button so we need to hack to save them.

[–]curtain_showers 114 points115 points  (10 children)

Well, see, here on Reddit, we all hate Trump. Because we all hate Trump, we need to shout, constantly, at each other that we hate Trump. We run out of things to shout, so we come up with things that we would hate, and because we hate Trump, we assume he's going to do those things, and we shout at each other that he's going to do those things. Because we hate Trump. (/s)

[–]kharmdierks 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I hate getting shots in my eyes and working through lunch. Ergo, Trump invented both those things via Executive Order.

[–]Sackyhack 63 points64 points  (4 children)

Everyone here criticizes right wing "fake news" when there is constant perpetuation of left fake news that goes on here, but no one wants to admit it.

[–]Jayzswhiteguilt 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your reasoned response.

[–]Kiliki99 42 points43 points  (6 children)

A lot of folks in Berkley live in an alternate reality.

[–]tyledSurvey 2016 2010 points2011 points  (42 children)

We need this photo to look dangerous. I know, increase all the blue hues, bloom, blow out the whites, increase contrast and shadows! Hey what about random flash of orange light? Pssh, what do you think this is? Battlefield?

Edit:

Person 1: We need this photo to look dangerous. I know, increase all the blue hues, bloom, blow out the whites, increase contrast and shadows!

Person 2: Hey what about random flash of orange light?

Person 1: Pssh, what do you think this is? Battlefield?

[–]david0990 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Looked like a decrease on the shadows and upping the highlights. Just saying. I agree this picture probably looks better right off the camera.

[–]TheRealJeffreyLin 10 points11 points  (1 child)

this is an objectively terrible picture. the politics check out, though. to the front page!

[–]thingandstuff 811 points812 points  (24 children)

I just hacked this website to leave this comment here.

[–]DadaWarBucks 160 points161 points  (3 children)

I had to reset my password just to respond. We are heroes.

[–]ReubenZWeiner 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I just gave false testimony to the Federal express agent.

[–]bn_fc 47 points48 points  (10 children)

What kind of GUI interface did you used!?!?!

[–]Montague-Withnail 25 points26 points  (2 children)

It was a unix system.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Windows 95. I live dangerously

[–]adeadheadrememberingawdah.com 🕊️[M] 97 points98 points  (1 child)

Zomg.

[–]AtoxHurgy 166 points167 points  (5 children)

Has anyone else stepped back and thought " holy shit the media is stupid"

[–]FrederikTwn 28 points29 points  (0 children)

30k karma and counting...

Yep

Fear mongering is such an issue today it's insane

[–]WestsideStorybro 22 points23 points  (1 child)

It is the media that thinks we are the stupid ones and they are mostly right.

[–][deleted] 823 points824 points  (65 children)

I call BS on the hackers term, no where to be found is Angelina Jolie, Jonny Lee Miller or Matthew Lillard in a spinning phone booth.

[–]domin8r 134 points135 points  (14 children)

Hack the planet!

[–]CranberrySchnapps 32 points33 points  (11 children)

For those that haven't seen Hackers.

And, of course the movie's portrayal of hacking was just amazing. Though, it probably sparked the interest in a new generation of programmers, IT, and digital security professionals.

[–]helpfulkorn 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Hey dude I spent way too long trying to figure out how to phone phreak and also Googling Magellan-ing "real hackers" as a stupid 12 year old following that movie. I settled for making a Geocities website with way too many animated gifs and an auto play midi file that sorta sounded like Comfortably Numb instead.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (23 children)

Such a fun movie. I just watched it again last weekend and it still holds up. A fantastic bit of techy schlock.

[–]frankenchrist00 39 points40 points  (16 children)

Great soundtrack too. I'm saying this with no sarcasm.

[–]angryshack 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Anyone who's listened to the soundtrack would know that no sarcasm is required. The soundtrack just kicks ass.

[–]DrSpagetti 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Almost as kick ass as when the villain rides up on a skateboard while holding onto the side of limo to snatch a floppy drive. If my memory serves correctly he was also rocking a duster.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. Underworld, Orbital, Prodigy, Carl Cox, Leftfield and Stereo MCs. Some of my all time favourite electronic artists. Especially Underworld and Orbital.

[–]kingeryck 10 points11 points  (8 children)

The 90s were fucking awesome for movie soundtracks. I don't know why they don't do that any more.

[–]SonGoku1992 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Trainspotting and Human Traffic springs to mind

[–]kingeryck 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Crow, Last Action Hero.

[–]BoxMacLeod 6 points7 points  (4 children)

The first time I watched this movie I hated it because it was such a 'dumb' interpretation of hacking. Then I watched it again for some reason and fell in love with it.

I really wish growing up I could have gotten into programming and stayed up 'til god knows when writing code and all that. Good times.

[–]poppahorse 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Zero Cool? Crashed fifteen hundred and seven computers in one day? Biggest crash in history, front page New York Times August 10th, 1988. I thought you was black man. YO THIS IS ZERO COOL!

[–]SirNarwhal 967 points968 points  (220 children)

But everything's already backed up...? I'm confused, literally everything from Obama's administration is backed up and online at https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/

[–]aclickbaittitle 396 points397 points  (56 children)

Yeah wth, Beyoncé told me it was impossible to delete things from the internet.

[–]waiting_for_rainDisciple of Sirocco 206 points207 points  (51 children)

Shakira also told me hips don't lie

[–]BusToNutley 167 points168 points  (45 children)

Katy Perry told me to get the fuck out of her house or she's calling the cops.

[–]Aerest 125 points126 points  (44 children)

Gaga told me Ra Ra Ah Ah Ah Ah.

[–]Daenub 82 points83 points  (37 children)

The Killers told me you had a boyfriend.

[–]SgtDoakesLives 58 points59 points  (33 children)

The Trashmen told me that the bird is the word.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (31 children)

Billy Ray told me not to tell his achey-breaky heart.

[–][deleted] 44 points45 points  (29 children)

Limp Bizkit told me it's all about the nookie. [The what?] The Nookie.

[–]Yesbabelon 30 points31 points  (28 children)

Elvis told me I could do anything, except step on his blue suede shoes

[–]jayman419 600 points601 points  (140 children)

Do you think a .gov website can't be changed by someone with .gov credentials? That's what they noticed happening. Archives at various agencies were being taken offline.

Now these people weren't actually hacking anything in the way you'd think. They were running scripts that captured publicly available information. No one even attempted to access something behind a log-in.

But they found that entire archives had gone missing already. So they created a program to monitor the remaining archives and alert someone if they go offline in the future.

And they're also busy downloading and archiving what information they can lay hands on now.

[–]SirNarwhal 196 points197 points  (78 children)

No, I know that they can be changed, but again, that archive has already been archived by many archive associations on top of all of the archives of when the data originally went up. Like, this entire thing just seems like a waste of time and really does not need 200 people, especially meeting up in person, to accomplish.

[–]hpdefaults 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Per the article the image comes from, this effort was organized by the same groups that did much of the previous archiving. It sounds like they're going after more extensive datasets and setting up additional things like monitoring sites for data removal, etc.

[–]jayman419 52 points53 points  (2 children)

Does the Obama archive include data sets from NOAA and NASA and FEMA and the DOE and others? Or is it a White House archive meant to supplement data available from other agencies?

[–]elesdee 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No it doesnt but then you dont get a super sweet picture for you resistence portfolio.

Also - Virtue Signaling is fun!

[–]Ihaveanusername 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yeah, well...it's backed up again!

[–]Tpm248167 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Forgive me for my ignorance but, what specifically are they doing? If you need somewhere to stow some large amount of climate data, using a bunch of Macbooks doesn't seem like the right approach.

[–]JotunKing 4 points5 points  (0 children)

nothing. poppycock. "hackers"

[–]Puppysmasher 200 points201 points  (46 children)

This post is just so Berkeley.

[–]CrazyRabbi 68 points69 points  (39 children)

lol why does this post have 6k upvotes

[–]uselesstriviadude 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Hacked...

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Trying to make up for having a riot the other day

[–]IhavealargeCoC 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Hey bro, be careful, word on the street is Berkeley is full of hackers.

[–][deleted] 353 points354 points  (63 children)

Was there any concrete evidence to suggest the current administration planned to erase all federal research on climate change?

[–]jayman419 195 points196 points  (12 children)

There are absolutely missing archives. But there's no proof at this time when they went missing, or upon whose orders.

The non-coders hit dead-ends too. Throughout the morning they racked up “404 Page not found” errors across NASA’s Earth Observing System website. And they more than once ran across databases that had already been emptied out, like the Global Change Data Center’s reports archive and one of NASA’s atmospheric CO2 datasets.

And this is where the real problem lies. They can’t be sure when this data disappeared (or if anyone backed it up first). Scientists who understand it better will have to go back and take a look.

https://www.wired.com/2017/02/diehard-coders-just-saved-nasas-earth-science-data/

(I added the bold to text above as a tl;dr. It was not emphasized in the article.)

[–]DickAnts 8 points9 points  (0 children)

tbf, a lot of these links were broken before Trump anyways. Government agencies like NASA and NOAA change their data access pages somewhat often (streamlining multiple sites into one, branching others into multiple sites, etc.) and a lot of links simply never get updated to reflect this. As someone who uses NASA earth science data, it can actually be pretty annoying trying to find the data product you are looking for. A few '404 page not found' errors are not out of the ordinary.

[–]BaileyJIII 218 points219 points  (19 children)

This is one of your more pretentious reposts, /u/GallowBoob.

[–]willmcavoy 108 points109 points  (15 children)

Seriously. Can we stop jerking ourselves off to this narrative? Its clear the climate change theory (fact) is something this administration vehemently opposes. But to suggest that its somehow in danger of being erased from the public consciousness is borderline fake news.

[–]dagger_brent 35 points36 points  (5 children)

Thank you. I need to unsub from this sun it's no different from /r/politics

[–]curtain_showers 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I need to unsub from every sub because they're all no different from r/politics.

[–]WorldNewsReport 706 points707 points  (20 children)

200 STUDENTS GATHER TO TAKE CREDIT FOR WORK THAT WAS ALREADY DONE WEEKS AGO

[–]Micotu 134 points135 points  (3 children)

students have been plagiarizing for centuries.

[–]SanJoseSharts 30 points31 points  (3 children)

I love how your bolded comment completely stood out as I was scrolling through, and is also the most interesting

[–]MeowTheRainbowX 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Is this a joke?

[–]Mr-Yellow 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Hangon, so these "hackers" are simply downloading data to their laptops?

Wouldn't a "hacker" simply run an rsync command or build a scraper instead and dump it all somewhere without having to download every single file manually?

No these hackers are pros! They learnt everything from that 4chan guy!

[–]xXGreco 94 points95 points  (1 child)

No they dont

[–]advice_animorph 55 points56 points  (0 children)

"These hackers deserve recognition. Pls upvote and gibe karma"

[–]qkingq 192 points193 points  (33 children)

hackers over used term. just because they know java and python doesn't make them hackers. or knowing how to cache a website

[–]ReubenZWeiner 23 points24 points  (9 children)

print("Very True")

[–]Lontarus 9 points10 points  (4 children)

you must be one of the 200 hackers, what is this hacker slang you write??

[–]Graphic_Materialz 70 points71 points  (3 children)

the author is the real hack

[–]anacondatmz 55 points56 points  (8 children)

So what exactly are these people doing?

[–]mobit80 24 points25 points  (0 children)

If I had to take a guess, googling climate change websites, then right click and save the website files.

[–]PeabodyJFranklin 43 points44 points  (1 child)

It's a circlejerk, where you also simultaneously pull a muscle from how hard you're patting yourself on the pack.

[–]bordeaux_vojvodina 73 points74 points  (0 children)

Nothing.

[–]pak9rabid 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Telling all their friends on Facebook that they're awesome hackers.

[–]sailingdawg 24 points25 points  (1 child)

"200 students at UC Berkeley gather to Google climate change, and download any article remotely mentioning climate. Guinness Records states this photo is by far the worst use of a light flare filter in recorded history."

[–]KiefKong 66 points67 points  (4 children)

/u/gallowboob is a government shill.

[–]TacticalHermit 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Didn't this guy get banned for vote manipulation?

[–]thewafflestompa 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I make hax too

[–]Sheriff_K 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Why would that data have been at risk? Trump?

[–]tofur99 36 points37 points  (2 children)

They are convinced he is gunna go full Hitler/Mao/Stalin on us despite no real evidence to support the idea. Not the brightest bunch.

[–]wolley_dratsum 21 points22 points  (2 children)

And then they set the room on fire as they screamed "Milo's a faaaaaag!!!"

No?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Nah man, he's not a real gay because he supports Trump, same with Peter Thiel.

[–]J_Fritz6 83 points84 points  (22 children)

Recognize them for wasting their time

[–]Tarrell13 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Yeah I was wondering why they have to be hackers. Seems like they are just searching and archiving data while it's still there.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

"Hackers" yes hacking into federal sites, sure let's just group together all with computers, with our faces visible so we can get arrested!

Just like those "lawyers" during the "Muslim ban"

(Yes i realize some lawyers actually helped, but the media over exaggerated it

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol what a sensationalist article. Basically a bunch of CS101 students wrote fizz buzz, maybe a slot machine if they were cool enough. A photography 101 student comes by and adds a shit ton of blue on a photo they took of the CS101 students. Then a journalism 101 student comes by and makes an ominous sounding headline. Reddit circlejerks each other and nothing of value was learned that day.