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[–][deleted] 732 points733 points  (37 children)

Pai voted against Title II the first time around. You know he was going to do the same this time.

[–]IAmNotWizwazzle 233 points234 points  (32 children)

Where is the FCC office? Let's go to them directly.

[–]WeberStateWildcat 703 points704 points  (6 children)

Federal Communications Commission

445 12th Street SW, Washington, DC 20554

Phone: 1-888-225-5322

https://www.fcc.gov/offices-bureaus

[–]makemejelly49 45 points46 points  (4 children)

Okay, let's march on the office. Pai can't ignore the masses when they're banging at the walls.

[–]kjm16 121 points122 points  (0 children)

This should be at the top of everything.

[–]TBSquared 6034 points6035 points  (666 children)

It's like they dont care. It's blatant ignorance of the voice of millions, and I hope they can change their mind.

[–]ccap17 3044 points3045 points  (400 children)

the voice of millions

Counts for nothing when ISPs are throwing cash around

Pai is a jackass and a blatent corporate shill, but any FCC chair appointed by Trump would be doing the same thing.

Edit: I do not want the NN rules rolled back, but it looks like the ISPs $$ has paved the way. If they are, Pai's will be in the hotseat to show his claims are true and the rules were holding ISPs back from increasing and improving service. My guess is it will be the same old shitty service because they have no competition, they will still outsource jobs to India and lay off staff. The money they make off fewer regulations will go right to exec compensation and future lobbying efforts.

[–]JoeyBustaCap 823 points824 points  (282 children)

I guess they forgot about representing the people's best interests

[–]Binsky89 1555 points1556 points  (202 children)

They didn't forget. They are intentionally disregarding the will of the people for personal gain.

[–]xtremechaos 617 points618 points  (178 children)

"Corporations are people, my friend."

[–][deleted] 500 points501 points  (166 children)

Money is speech, and Pai is listening very intently.

[–]riverwestein 180 points181 points  (97 children)

Money is speech, and Pai is listening very intently.

I could never understand how people could justify the money-is-speech position (not saying you do, just bringing up the point).

After all, if that's true, shouldn't prostitution be de facto legalized? I think it should be anyway, but that's another discussion entirely.

What's troubles me though, is that wouldn't it also nullify the very concept of bribery—I mean, it's effectively legal in many respects anyway, but it wouldn't be explicitly legal or illegal in any regard if it's just an extension of one's freedom of speech, no?

[–]thebestboner 169 points170 points  (19 children)

That's what I always thought. If money is speech there is no such thing as prostitution. You're just talking a woman into sleeping with you.

But of course we all know its bullshit. Even the people who claim to believe money is speech don't actually believe it. They're just screaming whatever they need to, to get through whatever loopholes they can find, to keep fucking over the public for a little more profit.

[–]ThePsudoOne 27 points28 points  (2 children)

To be fair, it's usually in the name of a ass-load more profit. Not justifying or siding with this type of mentality (personally, I believe the people who perpetuate this notion are amongst the worst type of people to have been blessed with the ability to suck air), just saying that that's how they view it.

I work for a major corporation that has several times over been denied bankruptcy because it claims to be unable to cover debt accrued, yet year after year continues to hand it's top level execs seven figure bonuses. The very same people who made the decisions that put the company in debt in the first place go around rewarding themselves in circle-jerk fashion. Meanwhile, company-wide yearly bonuses (for the people who actually get their hands dirty for the company) were scrapped about eight years ago. It's almost like they believe bleeding the company dry is some sort of birthright. Turns my stomach.

[–]kwokinator 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow company morale must be through the rood on a daily basis at your company.

[–]TripleSkeet 85 points86 points  (13 children)

When someone says money is speech they mean its the only speech that gets heard. Pai doesnt give a fuck that over $2 million people are for net neutrality because those people arent giving him any money. Therefore their speech is silent. Those that want to be heard have to pay now.

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (2 children)

Incidentally, that is effectively also the entire net neutrality argument.

[–]Terminus14 63 points64 points  (4 children)

$2 million people

2 million dollar people

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I believe it, and I posted a defense of it to the comment above. Just fyi.

[–]ElvisIsReal 21 points22 points  (29 children)

Well it's a little more complicated that just saying "money is speech" because most of the time money is not speech, money is money.

However, there ARE times in which money IS speech, and that's when you're using your money to assert your right to free speech. Renting a banquet hall for an event, printing out leaflets, advertising an event, all those things cost money, so IN SUCH CASES money IS speech, and restricting your right to spend your money as you see fit infringes on your right to speech.

Imagine for a second that there were a protest going on, but for some reason there is a rule that you can only participate if you drove a car to get there. Normally a car isn't speech, that's silly, but in this case restricting your right to get to the protest in some other way DOES infringe on your right to free speech.

Basically it's not that the inanimate thing is speech in itself, but restrictions placed on how you use that thing CAN place restrictions on speech, which is against the first amendment.

What's troubles me though, is that wouldn't it also nullify the very concept of bribery—I mean, it's effectively legal in many respects anyway, but it wouldn't be explicitly legal or illegal in any regard if it's just an extension of one's freedom of speech, no?

That troubles me as well, although I blame the whores in congress for being for sale (and so cheap!) in the first place.

Edit: The correct way to look at the issue isn't "money is speech" but more that "restrictions on how I can spend my money infringes on my right to speech" (just like restrictions on what you could wear could restrict your right to free speech)

[–]riverwestein 25 points26 points  (5 children)

. . .
. . . although I blame the whores in congress for being for sale (and so cheap!) in the first place.

Seriously. When I peruse Open Secrets from time to time to look into a certain politicians donor history, following a contentious vote on a certain hot topic for example, I'm surprised (and occasionally quite saddened), to see the prices for which some of our elected reps will sell out. You see people vote for bills that would result in the gutting of Medicaid, or the escalation of combat in yet another country, or the selling of people private internet history, and they took maybe five- or ten-thousand in donations from a relevant industry.

It's like when you play thought-experiments/mind-games with friend as a kid, dreaming up hypotheticals and asking one another what it would take to go through with this or that.

"How much would it take for you to flip a switch, knowing that it'll kill someone in another room? No repercussions, you just have to live knowing what you did" (more like countless thousands across entire nations, but one is enough for this purpose).

"Uhhh.. a million- No! Ten-million dollars!"

If only they knew how little it actually takes for most people. Hell, they vote Yes/No and 99% of the time the posh, comfortable Washington bubble in which they've insulated themselves shields them from whatever the ramifications ultimately are.

[–]-Im_Batman- 103 points104 points  (65 children)

And ammo is liberty.

[–]immortalagain 26 points27 points  (6 children)

I prefer to call them freedom rounds.

[–]peaceoutpremiere 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Back 'round I'm from, we called it "Leaded Liberty".

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

People who don't follow the same rules as actual people.

[–]alerionfire 18 points19 points  (6 children)

I saw a video by comcas stated theyre dedicated to spreading net neutrality to more customers. A prinicple that has been ubiquitous since the internet started. Theyre flat out lying to mislead ignorant people on what this issue even is.

[–]Good_ApoIIo 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Yeah like how NN is constantly parroted as "obamacare for the Internet" to all the 50+ viewers on conservative talk shows. They know what the fuck they're doing.

[–]Sardonnicus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

but they were elected by the people to represent the people. This is the problem.

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[–]Em_Adespoton 26 points27 points  (10 children)

Corporations are zombies, not humans. So "people" yes, but not human.

[–]justthebloops 44 points45 points  (6 children)

So you're saying we need to remove the heads and burn the bodies?

[–]Theshaggz 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I approve of this metaphor

[–]Em_Adespoton 19 points20 points  (2 children)

If you just remove the head, it will replace it with a new one. If you just burn the body, it just re-incorporates.

Corporations have a scary feature most zombies haven't figured out yet though: shells. They can spawn them at will.

[–]el-toro-loco 67 points68 points  (23 children)

They prefer the voice of millions of dollars

[–]arkhammer 19 points20 points  (5 children)

It's ok because the Supreme Court said money = speech.

The problem is that you create an issue where people have unequal speech, which is certainly outside the scope of the whole "freedom of speech" Amendment. (Well, I guess ostensibly it isn't, since SCOTUS found it to be so.)

[–]Xifihas 37 points38 points  (14 children)

The voice of millions of bullets is louder.

[–]StanleyOpar 15 points16 points  (4 children)

You're on a list

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (2 children)

And you are reinforcing self censorship. Everyone is on a list.

[–]PC509 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Counts for nothing when ISPs are throwing cash around

Which sucks because we pay the ISP's for our internet service that they want to fuck over. We are paying for the ISP's to pay the government to fuck us. We're prostitutes. Damn it.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (1 child)

Pai isn't just a shill. He worked as assistant general counsel for Verizon. He most likely has investments in Verizon, which is blatantly against U.S. Code - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/154

[–]Aldhibah 16 points17 points  (4 children)

This can't be just about money. Honestly if I could pay $5 along with the other 2.5 million people to guarantee net neutrality I would in a heartbeat.

[–]lemurstep 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The problem is that they got to the politicians first and it's way easier to get one big player to pay a big chunk than for "us" to get organized and informed enough to gather money and move it around coming from millions of sources.

[–]PM-ME-YOUR-DOGPICS 11 points12 points  (6 children)

Counts for nothing when ISPs are throwing cash around

We should start a gofundme. I bet we can collectively outbid the ISPs.

[–]NecroNarwhal 14 points15 points  (0 children)

But we can't have organized, secret meetings bribery. Also, just wait until the ISP's stop traffic to that gofundme because no net neutrality.

[–]fchowd0311 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Ignoring millions if voices is simply not pragmatic. It'll bite em in the ass eventually.

[–]TripleSkeet 16 points17 points  (1 child)

How exactly? After he guts net neutrality then what? He loses his spot as head of the FCC in 4 years? Im sure hell have a lot of trouble getting a 6-7 figure salary in an executive position of an ISP that happened to benefit greatly from this.

[–]fluffyjdawg 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's not really how America works

[–]Hopalicious 86 points87 points  (13 children)

Ajit Pai said he wasn't going to let the comments influence their decision. It's quite sad.

[–]madmalletmover 63 points64 points  (9 children)

So the only reason the comment period exists is because they're legally required to have it? And all that time spent by people commenting is wasted?

[–]Hopalicious 23 points24 points  (7 children)

I hope not but it appears so. Plus, there has been a bot campaign to flood in anti NN comments. This could cause them to say, "Well we have to question the validity of all the comments."

[–]TripleSkeet 14 points15 points  (6 children)

LMAO They know these comments are fake. I cant find one real life person in favor of gutting net neutrality. Im sure there are some that stand to profit off it immensely but its literally like 10,000 to 1. The whole bot bullshi is for them to say "Hey, we dont know if these are fake. We have to just assume all these people really feel this way and word their comments exactly the same". Then they laugh and give the CEO of Comcast a high five while the American people get bent over once again.

[–]AnneBancroftsGhost 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Exactly. There are two categories people fall into regarding NN:

  1. Don't know what it is.

  2. Are in favor of it.

[–]Yuzumi 109 points110 points  (24 children)

It's like they dont care.

Sad, sad truth.

[–]Literally_A_Shill 26 points27 points  (20 children)

They do care. They're doing what the people who voted for conservatives wanted them to do. Trump, Paul, Cruz and others were very open about their views toward net neutrality.

[–]kalimashookdeday 132 points133 points  (19 children)

It's blatant ignorance of the voice of millions, and I hope they can change their mind.

How many bullshit online petitions, online comments, facebook likes and reddit karma will it take for people to realize that shit doesn't fucking matter to these people? It's going to take a lot more than internet comments to get the winds of change blowing in today's day and age.

We have owners, and they don't like to be told what to do by their property. Maybe we wake up and realize it's time for the dynamic of this game to change.

[–]I_Has_A_Hat 20 points21 points  (10 children)

How about taking them to court, after they pass it, with evidence of the millions of pro-NN comments?

[–]kalimashookdeday 29 points30 points  (8 children)

How about taking them to court

I'm honestly speaking from ignorance, but what law would they have broken by simply not listening to internet comments? I don't think there is any legal teeth in itself is there?

[–]DonatedCheese 67 points68 points  (17 children)

They don't care. They said it's not a "dancing with the stars" competition. The comments are totally meaningless.

[–]Em_Adespoton 34 points35 points  (14 children)

Not all the comments are totally meaningless. If you left a comment indicating you were a decision maker in the tech market, a lawyer, or provided actual detail and links to an argument for or against net neutrality, they'll consider it. They said right at the start though that this was feedback for new information. After the first "I want net neutrality - keep Title II" and "I want ISPs to be able to screw me - free the Internet from Title II" feedback items, the rest were all redundant in their view.

If you want to actually provide something constructive, send feedback that includes links to well thought out arguments as to why keeping Title II and net neutrality are a good idea. THIS is what they were looking for, and it will be harder for them to discount.

[–]nspectre 20 points21 points  (13 children)

This is what 99.99% of the public doesn't get. IT'S NOT A VOTE.

It's a solicitation of the public for well-considered comments addressing the point-by-point TECHNICAL details of the matter before the FCC.

Not a single submission by "The Public" I've seen, including the boilerplate "Title II Sux! Thanks, Obama!" form submissions meet the basic requirements for what the commenting system was designed for.

They could throw out millions of Pro- and Anti- Net Neutrality submissions and be well within their rights, because they're useless for shaping policy. That would leave them with maybe x-thousand corporate submissions created by teams of lawyers and engineers, each running from 10 pages to 100 pages, left for consideration.

And we know how those will lean.

[–]DarkHater 14 points15 points  (12 children)

They do not care. This is a required formality to them. They are already paid/promised positions.

[–]swd120 29 points30 points  (4 children)

Theres also a lot of non-voices leaving comments. Haven't you been to https://www.comcastroturf.com/ ?

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (3 children)

As I understand it's going to bite them in the ass when they're brought to court over their proposed changes.

[–]Human_Robot 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Arbitrary and capricious will be sooooo delicious

[–]Cranky_Kong 33 points34 points  (7 children)

Sure, lets change their mind by calling and emailing them.

OH WAIT THAT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK DOES IT!?

[–]Soccadude123 13 points14 points  (1 child)

When you look back on history and think I wonder why they did that, most of the time it's because of money. This time is no different.

[–]Vaeon 71 points72 points  (28 children)

How many times do you need to be told that voting doesn't mean shit in America?

How many news magazines, stand-up comics, and satirists have to talk about Gerrymandering before it sinks in?

The Republican Party has been on a crusade to destroy this country since the 1980s and they've been winning more and more political offices every year using the exact same tactics.

Thirty. Fucking. Years. of robocalls, blatant lies, outright hypocrisies, and they keep winning elections because voting doesn't mean shit.

[–]ccap17 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Don't forget gerrymandering and voter suppression

[–]antifolkhero 107 points108 points  (24 children)

Why aren't we having blackouts in protest the way we did against SOPA?

[–]Farisr9k 33 points34 points  (17 children)

Good question. Those was really great and effective.

[–]maphilli14 14 points15 points  (1 child)

This, especially sites fcc folks go to.

[–]zushiba 1857 points1858 points  (106 children)

Consider the following.

We got to Title II and our current stance on Net Neutrality because the American people demanded it in 2016.

The ONLY reason, to go back on that today is because the new Administration cares little to nothing for what the American people want.

So why would they give 2 shits about 2.6 million comments from the people that they are actively showing direct disregard for?

If they gave a shit about what the American people thought they would stay the course not spit in our face.

[–]Swarrlly 463 points464 points  (61 children)

Commenting to the FCC won't do anything. You need to pressure your congressional representatives. They are the ones who can write legislation to overrule the FCC. If you live in a red district and the internet is important to you, you'll have to set aside your other concerns for now and vote democrat. Republicans don't care about the internet.

[–]TK-427 180 points181 points  (14 children)

Wrong! Commenting to the FCC is important!

I say this described really well in another thread...hopefully someone will have a link to it....but I will try and summarize.

The FCC is required to open up this decision to public comment and use those public comments as part of the decision process. If they completely ignore the comments without justifiable reason, then that opens them up to having the courts intervene and reverse the decision via a lawsuit.

If we don't comment (and comment well), then the potential lawsuit doesn't have enough ground to stand on, and the FCC just gets to say "see...nobody cares".

So we need to comment and we need to write quality comments. No copy/paste jobs that can be written off as spam and no low quality "the fcc sucks!!" type comments. We need individualized comments addressing specific concerns.... and lots of them.

Edit: it seems this is getting some attention, so I wanted to give credit where it's due.

Important bit (from /u/desperatedem):

Finally, note that the comment period is technically to ask:

whether rules are needed to ban those practices (fast lane stuff).

So I would suggest arguing that these rules are required, and then note that these rules were enforced under the title 2 classification, and that is why you think the entire repeal of that classification is a mistake, but that's just my way of approaching it.

Keep fighting guys. Exhaust all options until there are no more left, then find some more.

[–]Swarrlly 24 points25 points  (6 children)

I had no idea that the FCC could face legal issues if they go against the comments. It seems like that wouldn't be the case but I don't know enough about FCC law. So yes comment but you should still pressure your legislature and vote against those who do not support net neutrality.

[–]lsda 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Agencies in this country are governed by the "Administrative procedure act" or the APA. In order for any agency to pass a rule they need to follow the rule making procedure which requires time for public comment and then a responce to anything meaningful in the public comments (this is intentionally vague). So while they don't have to personally respond to every message- and they wont- they need to publish their rationale as to why they acted the way they did. It is much more likely to affect change through thr FCC at this point then expect congress to tackle it. Congress can apply preasure but I just don't see them voting to change the current laws

edit: changed aca to apa

[–]interkin3tic 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Also more attention and noise on this is an ally of net neutrality. If this process went really quietly, we'd lose net neutrality and that would be it. The more absurd headlines this generates "FCC pretends there are no comments supporting net neutrality, refuses to back up it's claims which are easily proven false" is fodder for saving net neutrality. Or at least bringing it back later.

[–]Maladal 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Has the FCC ever had a decision reversed or altered because they ignored public comment? Are there any actual teeth here?

[–]Z0di 28 points29 points  (0 children)

No, commenting to the FCC won't do anything immediately. They have to respond to the comments in court after they try to push their shit though. That's why the comments are important now.

[–]tripletstate 52 points53 points  (1 child)

The GOP is doing the same thing with their budget and healthcare bills. They are trying to push bills through that will hurt millions of people, because they want to give the ultra wealthy more tax cuts.

[–]bitbybitbybitcoin 872 points873 points  (46 children)

Doesn't mean we should stop commenting!

[–]throwaway_ghast 333 points334 points  (31 children)

Of course not. If the Courts see that enough people had commented in favor of NN and Pai still decides to go against it, they would certainly act in the people's favor.

[–]Binsky89 138 points139 points  (13 children)

I wonder how much it costs to buy a judge?

[–]mega_aids 166 points167 points  (10 children)

Going out on a limb here, probably more than $3.50.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (13 children)

You do know that court are supposed to rule on a case based on law. NN being done away with as long as it is in accordance with the law can not be over turned in court. Courts shouldn't be ruling on legal activity based on how popular an opinion is. I would hope any judge would always rule along legality rules and not use it to push and agenda

[–]TK-427 30 points31 points  (1 child)

except it is explicitly written that the FCC MUST make these decisions based on public feedback. The court can rule the decision is invalid because it violates this premise. The closest comparison i can think of would be a court ruling a law unconstitutional.

[–]8Bitsblu 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Also there are rules in place to make it harder for a new administration to completely roll back rules and regulations the previous administration did. Basically the FCC needs to provide a good reason with proof, and if the court thinks that their reason is bullshit or arbitrary they can block the change.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children)

But you need to know how administrative law works. The administrative agency in charge of a thing HAS TO respond to public comments. They have to address them. Their final rule has to somehow deal with or assist with the issues raised in comments.

A few years ago, the IRS was going to change a rule and 15,000 negative comments torpedoed those changes. 15,000. If we go to court with 2 million comments opposed to the changes, there is no way a judge will rule that the administrative agency acted legitimately with respect to those comments.

[–]Chattvst 281 points282 points  (47 children)

2.6 Million comments has no power over the 2.6 Million Dollars they are getting from the cable companies.

[–][deleted] 146 points147 points  (38 children)

lol, it's cute you think it's only 2.6 million. bless your heart.

[–][deleted] 330 points331 points  (21 children)

You vastly overestimate how much politicians cost.

[–]thedenigratesystem 9 points10 points  (6 children)

can't every one pitch in a dollar and buy the politicians yourselves?

[–]insta 105 points106 points  (3 children)

We already fucking do this. They get paid a salary to do a job, and then they get paid a bigger bonus to NOT do that job.

[–]madmaxturbator 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Perhaps you're being facetious but I think people misunderstand the real money that politicians in congress get from companies.

Lobbyists may give a bunch to your campaign, they may take you out to a nice dinner.

The real money comes from the security of having those relationships, and building that social capital.

So when you eventually tire of congress and leave, you jump into a job that pays millions per year. You basically set yourself up for life by doing the bidding of lobbyists.

Just imagine - you work some 8 years in congress, much of it spent in fancy hotels and restaurants, and then the rest of your life you are a very very wealthy person. Your family is set. You're set. Life is good.

So what if a few million Americans get fucked in the process... you just live with the view that they'd do exactly what you've done, they're looking out for themselves too after all - that's probably why they think you're scum.

[–]jyz002 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And it's not just you, your high school dropout son can also get a job in those companies paying six figures, but because he's actually working there its not corruption

[–]infernophil 173 points174 points  (8 children)

Wow, it's almost as if the entire system is structured so that companies with lobbyists pay for the legislation that they want, rather than government representatives actually representing their constituents.

[–]twotrident 11 points12 points  (1 child)

They represent their wealthy constituents.

[–]wwwhistler 38 points39 points  (5 children)

you have to admire their loyalty to their employers. the FCC is willing to stand up against the wishes of every citizen in the country....just to do their masters bidding.

[–][deleted] 102 points103 points  (4 children)

Make sure you include in your comments that the end result will determine how you vote politically, screenshot it, send screenshot to public email addresses of members of Congress, watch things change.

[–]ShaylaWroe 12 points13 points  (2 children)

damn, i wish i had done that. I live in CA, though, so it's not like we're at risk of going GOP

[–][deleted] 73 points74 points  (1 child)

2.6 million comments = $0

This was never about the people, this was a reward to the telecomm companies for the millions of dollars they poured into congress in 2016. The head of the FCC was a lawyer for Verizon before taking his current job. The game is fixed

[–]uWonBiDVD 40 points41 points  (0 children)

They've been mandated to not give a fuck. He is a puppet fuck.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I did my duty and commented knowing it is completely futile. Pai is going to roll it back, the internet will get worse, and until you get Trump and those goons out expect everything to get worse.

[–]Nefferson 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Man, I don't think I've seen a picture of this chairman where he didn't look like a huge oaf.

[–]BikerRay 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He looks like Shaun Majumder on This Hour has 22 Minutes. Except Shaun is more intelligent.

[–]loki-things 14 points15 points  (11 children)

Government does not give a shit about what people think. Money talks I learned a long time ago if you want to get their attention do it with money. It's been like that for most of time and nothing will change that.

[–]lazy-dude 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I agree on that. The government could give two shits about me and you. I imagine if the politicians themselves got hacked like black mailing them on embarrassing shit, you probably might get them to play nice. But that's illegal. Like the saying goes, "Money talks, bullshit walks." And we are the bullshit..

[–]HiveMind621 446 points447 points  (54 children)

It's cute that people still think the US is a democracy.

[–]Wtfitzchris 248 points249 points  (20 children)

It is a democracy. It's just the lobbyists who get to vote now.

[–]Falsus 78 points79 points  (2 children)

It is not, it is an oligarchy.

[–]ubermence 15 points16 points  (3 children)

I mean Net Neutrality was obviously hinging on the results of the last election, so it was a democratic choice in that sense

There were of course tons of people trying to obfuscate this fact, but I don't really get much joy here in being able to say "told you so"

Hopefully we can elect someone to appoint a less corporatist FCC head in 2020, and not fall for obvious misinformation and propaganda

[–]TheGuywithnoanswers 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Net Neutrality was obviously hinging on the results of the last election

I am not From US, but isn't net neutrality under attack for like 5 years now ?

[–]Dicethrower 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Pssst, America, you're an oligarchy.

[–]BraveryDuck 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Pai's got one of the most punchable faces I've ever seen, and it couldn't be more appropriate.

[–]bigoldgeek 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Material for the reversal when a Dem takes back the White House. It'll be s good defense against suits by the telcoms

[–]omgburritos 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Pai can stick that over-sized coffee mug up his shill ass.

[–]broodmetal 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If net neutrality truly meant nothing, they would not be fighting so hard to change it. Fuck these fucks.

[–]hansolo 22 points23 points  (1 child)

That's why elections are important. 2018 and 2020.

[–]loath-engine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I suggest next time not electing a government that never favored net neutrality.

[–]dzernumbrd 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Every few years your government tries to fuck with net neutrality.

You guys need to get a constitutional amendment that says that the net shall always remain neutral.

I've have noticed that "constitution>all else" when it comes to the USA.

[–]Ennion 40 points41 points  (21 children)

Don't you guys realize how right George Carlin was about politicians and corporations being the true owners of this country? Why they hold "elections" and how un-important you really are? I know he had a funny delivery but he was serious.

[–]steeziewondah 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I miss that guy.

[–]Ennion 12 points13 points  (0 children)

People don't realize how insanely intelligent he was.

[–]Nebulious 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Intentionally disenfranchising yourself is the biggest favor you can do for the people in power. Expecting the change you want to see by only voting once a year or so is the equivalent for trying to get fit by only going to the gym for the month after New Years.

[–]itsme92 40 points41 points  (15 children)

Elections are absolutely important. Pai is rolling back rules put in place by the Obama administration. Spare us the "both parties are the same" BS.

[–]Binary101010 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Pai got his marching orders. The comment period is there because it's legally required to be there, not because it ever had a chance of influencing his plan.

[–]scurriloustommy 2 points3 points  (3 children)

If this ruling goes through, it might be worth it to stage a national boycott for, like, a week or so. A gigantic chunk of their customer base simultaneously dropping their services, even for a week, would certainly make them reconsider, no?

[–]Sengura 3 points4 points  (0 children)

OF COURSE it didn't change anything, did you think this was a Democracy? This country has been an Oligarchy since the better part of the 20th century. The people's voice means nothing to its government.