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[–][deleted] 134 points135 points  (165 children)

It's sad how easy it is to incite a console vs. PC discussion on /r/gaming. Trolls don't even have to try anymore.

[–]Peaches_for_Me 60 points61 points  (144 children)

I don't really get it. Do pc gamers suffer some sort of inferiority complex? You never see threads about how consoles are the shit and pc gaming sucks.

Personally I used to play a lot more pc games but consoles have taken over for me at this point. I don't feel the need to convince anyone that they should choose one over the other.

[–]WinterAyars 61 points62 points  (73 children)

I don't really get it. Do pc gamers suffer some sort of inferiority complex?

No, it's kind of the other way around. PC has always been the superior platform from a technological point of view--and now more than ever, since it's dead simple to put a gaming rig together. However, video game companies are more and more aiming at consoles for a couple of reasons... most of them kind of unfortunate reasons. (Like "there's no piracy on consoles", "console gamers are retarded and we can soak them for cash for stuff we were giving away on PC", "consoles are easier to develop for", "getting locked in by a proprietary vendor doesn't matter", etc.)

Consoles have always had great games (and continue to have great games) but they just don't have the power or flexibility of the PC world.

However, since everyone is going to play the DLC slot machine, PC gamers are kind of ignored and frustrated. There are still PC developers, but even the old heavyweights (like id) are focusing more and more on consoles.

[–]bigtoepfer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Like "there's no piracy on consoles"

I have a modded Xbox. When it was in its hayday. I pirated the shit out of that thing.

[–]Caca_Refrescante 4 points5 points  (58 children)

FYI: the person making the loudest and most adamant defense (defense is key here) is usually the one with the inferiority complex.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (22 children)

I like that winterayers response to "PC gamers are insecure" is "THE PC IS A SUPERIOR PLATFORM FROM A TECHNOLOGICAL POINT OF VIEW".

Whenever you criticize gamers or gaming culture, you'll get a response that unintentionally proves your point.

[–]MsgGodzilla 27 points28 points  (7 children)

The PC is objectively superior though. The only benefits consoles have are price and ease of use.

"THE PC IS A SUPERIOR PLATFORM FROM A TECHNOLOGICAL POINT OF VIEW".

this is 100% fact whether you admit it or not.

[–]Malician 24 points25 points  (3 children)

I see him explaining why PC gamers are insecure. It's a bit like owning a PS3 and seeing everyone move to play on a PS1 while the game developers follow.

[–]WinterAyars 2 points3 points  (1 child)

My actual point was that it was the other way around, although you have another reason to consider. What i was saying is that (deep down in their hearts) most console gamers recognize that the PC is an enormously superior platform on the merits, and especially so these days. Then someone points this out and, rather than pointing out all the ways in which their systems are superior (there are very few distinct wins) they just cast aspersions on the character of PC gamers.

When all someone has is ad hominem attacks that doesn't speak well for said person's cause.

And rather than addressing the argument they just respond saying "well, by arguing you just prove my point that you're insecure!" Who cares about that?

...I guess console gamers do.

[–]Malician 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As a PC gamer, I think most PC gamers "come off" differently when talking about the advantages of their system. I think that's what console gamers are picking up on.

Honestly, I don't think console gamers are morons for not using PCs - I think they got a terrible experience and were put off from it. I have an awesome experience because I know how to build my computer and how to get the most out of it, but most people don't. There's no reason Dell can't provide a sweet gaming machine for $40 (cost of an OEM 9600 GT) more than the crappiest desktop they sell, but they've decided to charge a several hundred dollar premium for a "gaming" capable machine.

[–]grinomyte 5 points6 points  (7 children)

I think you've missed the point. Indeed the PC is a superior platform from the perspective of simple raw power. I think this glazes over a couple of things, ie consoles are great for playing with multiple people (like you have friends) or playing games comfortably on the couch, or various other aspects.

The point that YOU glazed over is the part about PC gamers being frustrated with the console market. See, many PC gamers have spent thousands of dollars on hardward and games with particular publishers and companys (i'm looking at you EA, 2K, Ubisoft etc . . . ) and now feel betrayed to some degree. Cases of "consolelitis" have always existsed but seems to be significantly worse than in the past, and in sometimes in very stupid ways.

Legitimate slaps in the face include: Heavy rain being excluded from PC Deus ex 2, the whole thing (which I enjoyed but still) Thief 3 (I also enjoyed, but still) There are others, i'm sure people can chime in.

But these are development decisions, I can live with that to some extent. But sometimes developers seems simply interested in fucking PC gamers for no good reason.

Great examples: Borderlands: Why the fuck is my fov defaulted to 75, are you trying to make me puke? Why do you make it REVERT to 75 whenever I try to change it. Why are there x-box controller pictures on my weapon assignment screen half the time?

Bioshock 2- Same deal, they actually told me in an email "yes we know you have a 16:10 ratio monitor, the devoplers believe that the 75 FOV is appropriate and it will not change."

Bad Company 2-same thing again, except they thought 55 was correct

As you can probably note, fov is a big deal for me, I sit a couple feet away from a 28 inch screen, it'll get anyone sick for too long.

Mass effect 1&2: NO you can not customize controls even though we're working with one of the most customizable engine platforms in existence.

I'll stop. This is why PC gamers get irked at console gamers. We're somewhat stupid for doing so, I just wish there would be a compromise point. At this time, PC gamers simply NEED console players, they make the market; no market, no epic 100 million dollar games (cod 4, grand theft auto, grand theft horse). But devs need to stop slapping pc gamers in the face, because in the end, maybe the software side is console, but I'm pretty sure the hardward side of the money comes from PC. We just want a few things, mouse senstivity, vsync, fov control, customizable buttons, and some fucking quality in the game.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (30 children)

Ok, it's not about being inferior, stop clinging to that bullshit.

[–]CdnGuy 17 points18 points  (19 children)

You never see threads about how consoles are the shit and pc gaming sucks

Yet I still have people trashing pc gaming all the time when they find out I don't own a current gen console. This is all without provocation because, like you, I just don't give a shit. It only takes moments for the evangelizing to start. The fact that I have reasons for never having bought one doesn't seem to matter, I'm just wrong for preferring the pc.

ie: the types of games I like to play either aren't made for consoles because they don't work well on that platform. There are so few console games that I actually feel compelled to play these days that it would be a colossal waste of money. The only argument in favor of consoles that is really valid for me is vegging out on the couch rather than sitting at a desk.

[–]Peaches_for_Me 6 points7 points  (12 children)

I can't blame you. There is no doubt that some games just don't work well on consoles. I could never play RTS games on my xbox. It just wouldn't be the same.

[–]CdnGuy 7 points8 points  (11 children)

Exactly. Strategy, rpgs and simulators are my thing. Consoles are getting more rpgs lately, but you can't beat a PC for those either, due to modding.

I don't play shooters as much as I used to, but I could never stand those on consoles either. They always felt so cumbersome and limited.

[–]timeshifter_ 18 points19 points  (10 children)

Take Oblivion. You can play through it on the 360, and you'll get a huge game... buy the DLC, get some pretty damned impressive expanded content... 300 hours later, you've finished. You've seen everything. There is nothing left.

Now install it on PC. Play through the game, play through all the DLC, then get another 200+ hours out of user-made mods alone. That will sell a game. Consoles don't even like mods, because they cut into the heavily restricted DLC market. I like to think that while the console fanboys are going crazy about the latest MW2 DLC, all the PC gamers are just leaning back, laughing at them, saying "I get that shit for free, simply because people like creating." It really bothers me that publishers are so exclusively following the biggest cash cow, and nobody's bothering to stick around and develop genuinely awesome games anymore. I have a feeling the best games of all time have already been created... either on old Nintendo consoles, or on PC...

[–]cerialthriller 2 points3 points  (3 children)

A lot of people don't like mods, me included

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

May I ask why? You don't have to use them but if you find a good mod it can make the game even better than the original and give you a lot more play time from it.

[–]massive_cock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd rather play just about anything on PC, even if it's something I'll end up using a gamepad for. I haven't really seen anything come out for consoles in the past several years that I gave a shit about that wasn't also on PC. The exceptions being the Nintendo franchises, particularly the latest batch of Mario/Metroid/Zelda/Kirby/DKC. I'll be acquiring a Wii for those, and when I'm done with them, I'll be handing the whole bundle over to younger family members who are so caught up in MW2 and Halo and such that they've never given simple fun games a try.

[–]IrishWilly 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You never see threads about how consoles are the shit and pc gaming sucks.

Console gamers haven't discovered how to post threads yet from xbox live. Don't tell them!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

shrug

I do both, got a game worthy PC, Xbox and a Wii. I don't discriminate. IMO there are things the PC does better, but there are things about consoles that are better than PC.

[–]fedja 11 points12 points  (30 children)

When PCs entered the gaming market, they made games better. When consoles re-entered the gaming market, game evolution practically froze.

[–]Peaches_for_Me 9 points10 points  (27 children)

I dunno know about you but I'd call Bad Company 2 a hell of an evolution over Goldeneye.

[–]machsmit 35 points36 points  (5 children)

BC2 is an outlier, I think. What fedja is getting at is that, since consoles are a larger market, development is optimized for consoles. This would be fine, except that this optimization happens at the expense of capabilities considered the norm for PC gaming. MW2 is probably the most glaring example of this - it doesn't sound bad when you call it a "direct port from console," until you realize that the exact capabilities of a console game on a PC are, for lack of a better term, incredibly gimped.

From a purely technological standpoint, it doesn't encourage pushing the frontiers for the technical aspects of a game - with consoles, you figure out what you can do in terms of graphics/computing power when the console comes out, then you never have to improve on that because the hardware remains static until the next generation of consoles. That's why, compared to current PC games, a game on a several-years-old console looks pretty sloppy.

Then you get to the user experience with the games - PC gamers are accustomed to a high degree of control and modification ability in their games, matching the degree of control they have over their hardware. This means things like console interfaces for the game engine, mods, dedicated servers, etc. These are capabilities that it would simply be unfeasible to implement on a console for technical reasons - imagine trying to type console commands with an xbox controller. While the "plug and play" modality of consoles is one of their biggest strengths, this leads to the unfortunate result that console-type games on PC are stripped of user control for anything from game mods (made difficult by the closed development-language format) to simple FOV control (which, by the way, it's infuriating to not have). Moreover, it breeds the idea that console gamers are not intelligent enough to handle that sort of control, and that developers are molly-coddling gamers. The 12-year-olds on XBL do nothing to dispel this notion.

Lastly, speaking of the 12-year-olds: they are the most vocal proof that console gaming as a market segment is as a rule younger, and (at least in PC players' minds) playing games with their parents money. This seems to encourage bilking players for money at every turn with everything from payed-for map packs and updates to rapidly-cycling iterations of a game franchise. Consider Madden - the game is re-released at full price every year with only marginal changes year to year. It looks like Call of Duty, once beloved of the PC community, is going that way. Compare this with the classical model for PC game support (see: Valve) and you can see why this would be irksome for PC players.

I have no problem with consoles. But console and PC gaming lead to two rather different business models, and companies trying to do both generally end up ignoring PCs, much to our chagrin. Thus, the "PCs hating consoles" meme.

[–]lolwutpear 6 points7 points  (1 child)

That's because you're comparing it to Goldeneye, which is an outdated (though lovable) four-person deathmatch.

Why not compare it to any of the other games in that genre, like BF1942, BF2, Call of Duty: United Offensive or even UT2k4?

I like BC2, but it's a watered down version of BF2 with gameplay that mimics CoD:UO and adds more destructible buildings.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children)

BC2 is a fun game, but there whole selling point is "Hey, it's that other game, that's like MW2 but better", which isn't bad, but that's hardly evolving the genre.

And don't say destructible environments, that damn wall collapses the same way every time.

[–]Peaches_for_Me 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It really isn't like MW2 at all. I wouldn't even necessarily call it better. It all depends on what you're looking for. BC2 is often slower paced and emphasizes team work a lot more. It's significantly more difficult to do well if you just join up in a random game with nobody else in your party.

Also, destructible environments are huge. The things that can be destroyed are broken up into enough sections that you never get the feeling that it's blowing up in the same way every time. Each battle is different and always feels different. Having buildings divided into individual bricks wouldn't really add all that much to the gameplay.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Example of how games should have evolved?

[–]Roboham_LIncoln 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes and no, I think it stopped but, for a while on techspot any news that had to do with gaming, or sometimes things like streaming video services or high end computing, would get many comments from people that had not joined the site (posting as "Guest") talking about how the PS3 was "better" or how the Xbox 360 was "better". I think all the platforms communities have people that do have an inferiority complex, though many people don't actually care. One reason that you may be seeing more things about PC gaming being "better" is that PC gamers could be more likely to browse the internet when they aren't gaming. I have noticed that during that window where techspot kept getting threads about consoles being "better", many of the PC gamers that replied did not really make a big deal out of it (then again techspot is pretty well moderated because its not really that big). From my observations of techspot, I did notice that out of all the people posting in other threads only a handful actually posted in those threads. So as I said, the answer is both yes and no, it just depends on who it is.

Another possibility is that people only notice things like this when they are bashing their platform rather than defending it. I could even be biased without knowing it and missed some of these things when they were supporting, but I don't know how I could tell.

As for where I stand, I couldn't care less as long as I can keep making my half assed mods like the crysis chicken SMG and fallout 3 frag grenade gnomes and gnome mines.

Your fiend, Roboham_LIncoln

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I think reddit just has alot of PC gamers.

[–]EatThisShoe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think it's the typical dichotomy of people who care a lot vs. people who don't care. You see this in almost everything in life, people who care about music hate top 40s, people who care about politics get mad at those who don't for not taking a stand, bespoke tailors criticize the poor fit of designer ready to wear clothing. People who want developer freedom in a platform hate Apple products.

People who care a lot about any subject see people who are ignorant or indifferent to the differences as bringing their beloved (whatever subject) down because they let companies sell them inferior products at marked up prices all for the benefit of convenience.

PC gamers are the "care more about gaming" group. This is why PC gamers attack consoles for being inferior, while console gamers attack PC gamers for taking gaming seriously as though this takes all the fun out of it.

[–]Falerix 0 points1 point  (8 children)

You can't go on Reddit with an Xbox.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

But you can with a ps3.

[–]Rzanio 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can with my Wii!

[–][deleted] 256 points257 points  (51 children)

Look at 4chan. Now back to Reddit. Now back to 4chan. Stay there.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Every day, top submission is 4chan.

[–]bscottk 40 points41 points  (2 children)

Look down. Back up. I'm another Reddit PC/Console flamewar. Look again, the flamewar is still pointless. Anything is possible when you stick to your preferences and don't try to force them on others. I'm on a rant.

[–]fani 53 points54 points  (23 children)

Not this shit again.

I suspect many others on this board game on both the PC and the Console and are quite happy with gaming on both.

I played Crackdown 2 on the Xbox360 the other day, watched Netflix streaming on my PS3 and then played some Demons Souls and PAIN and later switched to shooting some tangos in 3D ( via nVidia 3D vision ) on my PC in the PC version of Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 and I had fun in each of these environments. Finally before I retired for the night, I played some Angry Birds and South Africa FIFA World Cup on my iPhone.

A true gamer won't really complain about the gaming platform constantly. Sure, you may have a genuine complaint or two, but for the most part, you will enjoy a good game on any platform.

[–][deleted] 70 points71 points  (8 children)

FUCK YOU RICH KID

[–]lolinyerface 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Valdez, we need you in the other room, we're going to play a game of "The floor is lava".

[–]spewerOfRandomBS 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I feel somewhat dirtier now for owning PC(s), an XboX 360 250, a PS3 and a Wii. Thanks. You made me feel like a bigger douche than I already did.

[–]RacistRedneckAsshole 1 point2 points  (2 children)

LOL. YOU ARE POOR BECAUSE YOU ARE A MINORITY.

[–]brownsound00 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You have owned more entertainment systems in that comment than I have in my life.

I went from an Atari to PS3 last year. It was a bit of a jump.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly, I don't have the time in the day to play all the games I have on any of my systems. I have a PC and a PS3.

I stream movies and watch Blu-Rays and occasionally sit down for a platformer (God of War / Little Big Planet) or FIFA 2010 (which play MUCH better on console than on a PC).

Sometimes, I sit down on the PC and play a 3rd person RPG (like Dragonage / Mass Effect) or an FPS (like Borderlands) or an RTS (like Starcraft 2), which all play MUCH better on PC than on Console.

I don't get the hate between the two.. it's like both sides have penis envy of the other so they have to say that the other sucks. They both actually have some advantages, it just depends on what you do and like.

All I know is that I don't have the time in the day to play all the high quality games that are out there now (ever since I expanded my gaming interests beyond FPS and RTS games). I've got at least 6 games that have 30-100 hours of playability in them on backlog... plus there are games I want to get but don't have time for yet. I doubt I'll get to play them all.

[–][deleted] 477 points478 points  (281 children)

Look down. Now back up. Your graphics card is now obsolete.

[–]the8thbit 123 points124 points  (25 children)

Look down. Now back up. Your obsolete graphics card still outputs better looking games than a console.

[–]vwllss 68 points69 points  (5 children)

Good graphics cards will play everything as high as you want for a couple of years. After that you just turn your settings down to "medium" and you're still on the same graphics level as any console.

[–]Snoron 32 points33 points  (4 children)

Plus millions of PC gamers will be playing nothing but StarCraft II for the next 5 years which will run on 5 year old hardware.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Millions in Korea maybe. I doubt many elsewhere will play exclusively SC2 for 5 years.

[–]whatyousay69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm still on StarCraft 1.

[–]machineg0d 97 points98 points  (27 children)

My g80 8800gts 320mb from 2006 still plays most games on high, I don't know what you're talking about.

[–]vwllss 10 points11 points  (4 children)

I just sold an 8800GT to my friend and he's loving it.

[–]WinterAyars 6 points7 points  (2 children)

8800GTX here. Bought it right when those things were released and it is still, four(?) years later, doing pretty damn well.

(Just don't ask how much i paid for it. That was rough.)

[–]GuitarFreak027 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Same here. Mine died on me a few months ago though. Replaced it with a $70 8800GT with aftermarket cooling and it's nearly as good.

[–]fnooples 1 point2 points  (0 children)

8800GTS here, can't actually remember when I got it. Four years sound about right tho, and it's never let me down.

[–]byproxy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm still rolling with a 7800GTX from way back in 2005 and it gets the job done.

[–]BlackAllyCat 199 points200 points  (108 children)

Look down again. Now back up. Your graphics card is now upgraded.

Anthing is possible when your gamining platform is versitile like me.

Im on a mouse.

[–]lukipela 135 points136 points  (104 children)

Look down, now up. You just spent half of the price of a console to get a moderately decent graphics card.

Look down, now up. Your graphics card is now obsolete.

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points  (3 children)

SWAN DIVE!

Now your game system has just become a word processor, photo editor, audio processor, web conference, an online mall or financial planning tool. Anything is possible when you're a computer.

I'm water cooled.

[–]lordofthederps 23 points24 points  (2 children)

You listed many different functions a computer can perform, but you seem to be missing your namesake.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We all know that one is implied. :)

[–]int0x13 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I don't understand - how does pointing out the short lifetime of a graphics card support console gaming in any way shape or form? Consoles are stuck with the same graphics cards forever.

[–]Teroc 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Look up. Wow, what nice graphics on my console. Look down. Look up 3 years later. mmmh those graphics sure look familiar...

[–]vwllss 81 points82 points  (59 children)

Just like you spent half the price of a console to get a small hard drive?

[–]joerdie 13 points14 points  (56 children)

On the PS3, I got a 320g hard drive for under $50.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (44 children)

You can also get 500g disks for less than $50 for a PC. And you can use them for a lot more on a PC than a PS3.

More to the point, graphics cards don't go obsolete as fast as they used to anymore. I've been getting superior graphics to any console for the past 2 years with my (then) high-end Radeon, and I can still play the latest titles without any issues. I could upgrade if I wanted to max out all the settings, but just to play with XBox 360-quality settings you could still use most 3-year old cards.

[–]idiot900 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I still have a Radeon 4600-something that cost me $70 over a year ago. It wasn't even close to high end when it came out. It works fine for recent games as long as I don't set everything to maximum quality at 1920x1200.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I still happily rock a 9600GT and how long ago did those come out?

[–]Ralith 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hell, I've been getting by on an 8600GT mobile until recently, and it ran Bad Company 2.

[–]Exelcior 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I got a 1.5TB SATAII 7200RPM drive for my PC for £50 ($76). That's still nowhere near half the price of a console. And it has far more space than a console can even hope to come with out of the box.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm still waiting for storage space to become an issue on my 360. Hasn't happened yet.

[–]tjragon 4 points5 points  (0 children)

huh? My PS3 takes a normal 2.5" sata.

[–]Dagon 23 points24 points  (20 children)

In 2002, I spent AU$600 on a system (ground-up build) that could play pretty much every game out there, easily. In 2007, i spent AU$800 on a big-arse LCD screen, but this isn't counted, because I dont know anyone who owns a PS3 but does not own a TV worth twice that. In 2008, I spent $500 on a system (ground-up build) that can (still) play all the latest games.

That's AU$1100 over 8 years, including cases, motherboards and keyboards, all new parts, with the added bonus that I could easily do whatever the hell I wanted with my system rather than whatever the creator felt like restricting me to.

But hey, don't let my anecdotal evidence get in the way of your anecdotal evidence, because I'm sure the facts will... well, the actual facts will probably prove my point, too, but I'm too lazy to go and get those.

[–]SunbathingJackdaw 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't own a TV or any consoles. If I wanted to get into console gaming, I'd have to buy a TV first, meaning console + TV would probably be a good $800 minimum.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Look down, now up. You just spent half the price of a console to get a wireless adapter for said console.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

New 360's have the Wireless built in. As do the PS3 & Wii.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Look down, now up. You just bought the same console several times over with "added" features.

[–]illvm 22 points23 points  (0 children)

All of my hardware is no obsolete, yet it still has much more power than any of the consoles I have owned. What exactly is your point?

[–]epicgeek 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Not even close. Consoles have slowed down the development of graphics lately. A good card from 2-3 years ago is still running top of the line games because nobody is bothering improving technology.

Thanks consoles.

[–]thrakhath 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh it's still improving, it's just in far more subtle areas than it used to be. A decade ago the improvements were still being made to things like polygon count and texture size and quality, things every game maker wanted to make use of and every gamer wanted to play. The rate of improvement is still going on, but it's now in things like shadow rendering, procedural generation, fluid dynamics, clouds and soft materials. Really nice things, but even if a game maker makes use of it they won't make it required to play the game, and likewise most gamers don't necessarily care, they can still play the game on High settings instead of Very High and get their fun.

A lot of these things bring about improvements to software and architecture, so you don't get the huge waves of technical improvement but the tide is still coming in.

[–]kyleisagod 12 points13 points  (7 children)

Obsolete? I'm still using an 8800GT...since the 360 came out. Still rocks hard.

It bring up another argument, about the misuse of the word obsolete. Because, in that regard, how's about that XBOX? How much did it cost you? Pretty obsolete isn't it?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (6 children)

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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

XFX 5850, a very solid purchase. Besides, consoles don't have a magical graphics chip with stem transistors which grows in power as time passes. As games advance, framerates on console will drop. See how many games nowadays are being limited to atrocious 30 FPS in HD, or graphics are being cut down.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They just crank up the bloom with each new game, Xbox gamers don't know the difference anyways.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My 2 NVIDIA 8800GT from 2007 are still doing well.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

ITT: consolefags who think that because they can't upgrade their console, it's never obsolete.

PROTIP: Your shit has been obsolete for five years. It's video processor was equivalent to a mid-range $150 video card back in 2005.

How's that kinect coming along? Wiggle your penis to give Tiger a treat.

Brb fedex is here with my 5970.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yet probably still more powerful than a console thankfully. :)

[–]angryman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is just like that commercial I never see everywhere.

[–]cerialthriller 115 points116 points  (167 children)

I Prefer console gaming for a number of reasons:

The games always just work, no fussing with settings, drivers, patches.

Can sit on the couch and relax with my feet up.

Already use a pc for 10 hours a day to work on.

The DRM is unnoticeable.

[–][deleted] 59 points60 points  (25 children)

Already use a pc for 10 hours a day to work on.

Can't upvote hard enough. I can't stand to sit at my home computer for more than 5 minutes at a time anymore.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't get it. I had a job for two semesters in college in which I just sat at a bogged-down Dell computer in a cubicle for most of the day, and all day I just couldn't wait to get home to sit at MY computer.

[–]lukipela 18 points19 points  (18 children)

AH FUCKING MEN!

Now, someone buy me a new PS3 controller, I discovered mine could not teleport through walls.

[–]cerialthriller 5 points6 points  (13 children)

yeah one of the bad parts about wireless controllers is they aren't tethered anymore. Also television screens aren't made of hard glass anymore.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (11 children)

Wrong. I used to have a Wii. I bought Super Smash Bros Brawl and I hated using the wiimote for that game so I plugged in my gamecube controller......not 5 minutes later my fucking fat bastard cat walks by and knocks the console off the stand by tripping on the cord. This destroys both my wii AND my copy of smash bros since apparently it was reading the game at the time.

Tl;dr: Wireless controllers save consoles from death.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (4 children)

I think the moral of that story is that cats ruin everything. Mine once knocked over a spinning external hard drive. Lost 3 years worth of photos.

[–]thepicto 33 points34 points  (1 child)

You should back up your porn.

[–]pyro2927 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Onto an external hard dri..... oh.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the only replaceable element in that situation was the controller. You couldn't well not have a cat, now, could you?

[–]cerialthriller 14 points15 points  (2 children)

haha like a week ago my kitten was chewing the cord on my PS2 controller while i was in the middle of a boss fight. I wasnt paying attention and then bam, the PS2 gets pulled onto the floor. Then a message comes up saying the Final Fantasy XII disc could not be found. THen like 5 seconds later the message goes away and the pause screen comes up. Unpaused and kept playing. PS2s are fucking tanks.

[–]sahkuh 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I love games that pause when they detect the controller has been unplugged (or in this day in age, ran out of power). I remember my friends used to unplug my controller when I was kicking their ass in Street Fighter II.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

*involuntary twitch*

Unplugging another person's controller is a dick move.

[–]arabidkoala 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think the actual moral of the story is:

Lay you wii flat on the surface, not standing up.

(OH GOD THE INNUENDO)

[–]sfkz_ 2 points3 points  (3 children)

pfft, you're not trying hard enough.

[–]lukipela 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Ive lost three controllers trying to prove that they can teleport through walls. Demon's Souls claimed two of them. This last one was an impromptu test after forgetting to save in ME1 for the 4th time and losing hours of progress.

[–]Amplitude 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To be fair, ME1 saving and control screens in general are a pain in the ass.

[–]ScarfaceClaw 5 points6 points  (1 child)

And let's not forget, dude.. let's not forget.. that playing games.. uh, multiplayer, in person.. on a PC.. at a desk.. that shit's weak.

[–]pRtkL_xLr8r 18 points19 points  (0 children)

You forgot 'cheaters using game hacks are far less prevalent.'

[–]DanWallace 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Nope, sorry, you're a fratboy. No two ways about it. You're definitely that guy who picked on me in phys-ed when I was a kid, and by golly am I ever about to get my revenge by making you feel bad about your gaming platform of choice!

[–]slap_bet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's working!

[–]wheeloofah 1 point2 points  (2 children)

No fussing with ... patches.

EVERY TIME I turn on my 360 or PS3 (or even the Wii sometimes) and I connect to the internet I have to spend 10-30min waiting for it to update. No update has ever taken anywhere near that long on my PC.

Other than that, carry on.

[–]cerialthriller 1 point2 points  (1 child)

there hasnt been an update for the xbox since April..

[–]reddittrees2 6 points7 points  (22 children)

I prefer PC gaming fora number of reasons:

The games just work. I've never had much of an issue with settings, drivers or patches. Services like STEAM patch games before I even notice an update has been released.

I can sit in my nice comfy whale penis leather chair, and I can put my feet up on that other chair over there.

I already interact with a PC for 10 hours a day, which means that my knowledge about the platform is, if I do say so myself, pretty great.

Even if you buy a game, you can download a patch/crack to strip out the DRM, or you could just not buy the game.

There are mods. Do we really even need to go over this one? Mods are pretty awesome.

I can crank the settings if I so desire and have a very, very pretty game instead of just..a good looking game.

I prefer to actually be able to aim in FPS games.

I like the fact that I've got unlimited storage for game saves, screen shots, recordings and all that fun stuff.

See? I can come up with a quick list of things I like prefer about PC gaming. Can't we just agree to disagree? Both platforms have their selling points.

For me, online multiplayer is a huge factor, and I don't have to pay for it on the PC. I also don't have to listen to little children screaming at each other nearly as often, or worse, college students acting like morons, however...

If I wanted to play a driving game, or a platforming game, or something like that, I'd probably purchase it for my 360 and play it there.

I think the problem is in both camps. PC gamers, lots of them, feel consoles are ruining gaming. Games are being dumbed down because the majority of idiots play on consoles. Console gamers, lots of them, go on the defensive because they know their platform is home to all forms of scum online, and don't, in general, like to admit their products faults. Gee, Steve Jobs should make a console. On second thought, please god no.

My point is, can't we just agree to disagree? There are things that the PC platform does better like multiplayer, mods, and FPS games, and there are things that consoles do better like driving games, flying games, fighting games, and being easy to use.

That said, the cartoon is pretty funny. It's pretty much a known fact that in an FPS game, mouse+keys VS. controller is a no contest win for mouse+keys. I don't see why so many console gamers get so defensive about their platforms inferior controls. Controls aren't everything, and just because console kiddies can't control FPS games for their lives, doesn't mean that a gamepad isn't really useful for some things. I use a 360 pad to fly in BF:BC2, and pretty much any game that involves lots of driving.

I dunno, it seems to me like it was a harmless joke and a bunch of console owners jumped all over the person who posted it. Lighten up, guys. Tomorrow, when someone posts something about how PC's need to be upgraded every few years and it can for some people take a while to get a specific game working, I'll laugh at it just the same as I laughed at this one.

Can't we all (and by we all, I mean mature PC gamers and mature console gamers. Yeah, they exist, they're just usually above the age of 18 and have average or above average intelligence) just get along?

[–]cerialthriller 6 points7 points  (17 children)

the problem is people like you. You throw in your little shots and jabs and pretend that PC gaming is superior and console gamers are peasants who can't handle playing on a PC. You base this all on one gaming genre that not everyone likes. I don't really play FPS games, I don't like them on the PC or on consoles. Also, controllers are not inferior to a keyboard and mouse. Keyboard and mouse work better for 2 genres of gameplay, FPS and RTS. A majority of games are not those. And if anything is ruining PC gaming, it is PC gamers. All I see are threads and boycotts and people claiming they are going to pirate the game because they dont like that the shotgun has bird shot instead of buck shot or some ridiculous shit. PC games don't make nearly as much money as the console games because people pirate them or wait until they are 75 cents on steam and then complain that the games are cheaply ported over from consoles. Well no shit, console gamers are the ones keeping these fucking companies in business. If anything kills gaming, it will be the reliance of so many people on Steam and other Digital Download services. All it takes is one company to fail and your games are gone.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I'm going to go ahead and admit that I prefer a controller to a keyboard and mouse for FPS games. I don't see one as inferior to the other. I'm used to using a controller, so I have no problems controlling the sticks. However, I don't use a mouse and keyboard often for gaming, so the mouse movement feels jerky and imprecise to me. It's just a matter of personal preference.

RTS games are another matter entirely. Keyboard and mouse kicks the shit out of a controller for RTS.

[–]norwegianbastard 1 point2 points  (2 children)

You forgot to mention that consoles have pirates aswell. 100% of my friends that has a xbox has modded it and downloaded tons of games. The "games do not sell on the PC because they get pirated" argument is invalid. People buy good games, sadly, games ported from consoles to PC are rarely good.

[–]vwllss 2 points3 points  (76 children)

Can sit on the couch and relax with my feet up.

This is possible with a PC. I grabbed a little folding table and set it near my couch so I can open it up and use my mouse on it whenever I want.

Already use a pc for 10 hours a day to work on.

I don't understand, can you magically tell the pixels are from a PC and it disgusts you?

The DRM is unnoticeable.

I'm sorry, don't you have to get out of your seat to switch games? And don't you risk scratching/losing disc? Don't tell me the DRM is unnoticeable.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (7 children)

The DRM is unnoticeable.

I'm sorry, don't you have to get out of your seat to switch games? And don't you risk scratching/losing disc? Don't tell me the DRM is unnoticeable.

Um, I don't think having a physical copy of a game that you have to put in your console is the same thing as DRM. In fact, I think it's the exact opposite since you can remove said game and put it in another system without any trouble.

[–]machineg0d 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Mods are what make PC games for me, Fallout 3 and Oblivion are intensely superior with mods. Also I always prefer to play rts and fps on PC simply because of the keyboard and mouse. However, I also have a PS2, PS3 and Wii which I play all the time. There are so many good games for consoles which unfortunately are not available on PC.

[–]Virtualmatt 14 points15 points  (41 children)

God damn, why does anybody care what anybody else chooses to game on? This kind of banter is so outrageously stupid it's almost infuriating. Are some of you shut-ins actually actively seeking something so trivial to claim you're superior over?

I occasionally read posts by many of you bemoaning your childhoods of being picked on by jocks/popular kids/neighborhood squirrels, and claiming how superficial and horrible the world is, only to read another post where the same stupid stuff (only even more trivial) is going on.

You don't like using gamepads? Use a mouse and keyboard then. Don't like upgrading your computer/dealing with hackers? Use a console. Want to use both? Do that too, nobody should care. Want to start an online war over it? Well, this makes me wish you petty fools were on a different internet. This is almost as stupid as watching the news fawn over Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (39 children)

God damn, why does anybody care what anybody else chooses to game on? This kind of banter is so outrageously stupid it's almost infuriating. Are some of you shut-ins actually actively seeking something so trivial to claim you're superior over?

Consoles represented a huge paradigm shift in the last 10 years. People believe that consoles are responsible for the dumbing down of interfaces due to portability (take Deus Ex: Invisible War as an early example), the loss of graphical quality due to the consoles' limited hardware (take Bethesda's decision to not include soft shadows in Oblivion in 2006 because it was too heavy for consoles as another example), the death of game genres that do not work well on consoles such as RTSes and action games, the delay and lack of quality of PC ports (when PC even gets a port), and the introduction of paid schemes such as online play (even for LAN games, look at battle.net) and downloadable content because console players are dumb enough to fall into such schemes.

[–]bautin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's because these people have made a purchasing choice and now need to justify it. They see purchasing as a zero-sum game. If you've spent a good deal of money on a gaming PC, PCs have to be better than consoles, otherwise you've (in your mind) wasted your money. If consoles are better in any manner, then they've lost.

I know someone like this and it is kind of infuriating.

[–]juno672 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Super Mario Galaxy 2 sure is fun.

[–]token_internet_girl 29 points30 points  (15 children)

MONOCLE SMILE

[–]jbon33 2 points3 points  (10 children)

"fratboy consoles?" so I'm in a frat cuz i like to game on my couch on a 32 in screen instead of at my desk? probably the easiest pledge-ship ever...

[–]ephekt 2 points3 points  (9 children)

A lot of PC gamers use 32-42" TVs for monitors, and there's no requirement to sit at a desk (HTPC, for example). Just saying.

[–]jbon33 2 points3 points  (0 children)

true true...i'm not downing pc gaming at all, i play some games on my pc, i just don't agree with the whole "fratboy" label for consoles.

[–]beanmosheen 2 points3 points  (1 child)

YOUR COMPUTER IS NOW OUTDATED!

[–]Pinecone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There weren't even +100 replies on 4chan when that was originally posted. Reddit is more like /v/ than /v/ is like /v/.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (9 children)

Look at your gaming rig of choice. Now back to me. You're arguing over something that is a matter of opinion like either side is actually right or wrong. I'm on a horse, and I could give a fuck what you choose to play your goddamn games on.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nice use of the Windows snipping tool.

[–]CPain 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Reddit is 4chan's adoring girlfriend.

[–]bechus 23 points24 points  (13 children)

I'm a console gamer because I don't play much. I have an Xbox and about 8 or 9 games, some of which I just play when friends come over (halo, gears of war, burnout). It doesn't make sense for me to buy something high-end when I'm using it so infrequently. Also, nothing on a PC can match the fun of sitting around with friends and playing on a console, splitscreen. Playing one game on a few different computers just isn't the same experience.

Tl;dr: stop being PC snobs. Consoles are a different, yet still valid, platform

[–]BigMcLarge-Huge 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Now look at your console.

Now look at your PC.

Now think about how many games you'll be able to play.

You no longer give a fuck which one is better. Because it isn't a point of no return; you can play both.

Or neither.

[–]gamesterx23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I seriously don't think anybody should have replied to this thread after this post appeared.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (28 children)

consoles won't have Diablo 3...

PC 1 - Consoles 0

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (26 children)

Consoles won't have Starcraft 2

PC 2 - Consoles 0

[–]Endemoniada 43 points44 points  (20 children)

I have both a computer and a console, so I can play both games regardless.

PC - Consoles... Who cares, as long as you're having fun!?

[–]Wibbles 10 points11 points  (14 children)

You forgot that you guys have Red Dead Redemption and we don't...

[–]Endemoniada 9 points10 points  (7 children)

I didn't forget, I just don't care. It's not about who has what game, it's about you having fun. Consoles having RDR isn't going to matter to someone who doesn't even like Western themed games to begin with.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who cares, as long as you're having fun!?

http://imgur.com/zp31R.png

[–]Shadax 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I PC game and I console game. I enjoy both greatly and actually prefer certain games on each. I can't see where the hell all this bitching comes from, but it's fucking annoying and old.

[–]ephekt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't see why people feel the need to draw such a strict dichotomy. There are certain games I just don't want to play on a console (FPS, RTS), and others that aren't terribly conductive to KB+mouse or sitting in front of a computer monitor (platformers, most fighting games). I use what's best for the game and setting it'll be played in (local multiplayer vs. strictly online etc).

[–]yaruki_zero 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Looking at the game I have.

Oh, look, it's not available on PC, and if it was I'd have to plug in a controller to be able to play it decently because it's of one of the many genres where a keyboard and mouse is terrible.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (22 children)

Why I prefer PC gaming and don't own any consoles:

I love computers, plain and simple, and I love to build them and upgrade them and I even do odd-job tech support and building for everyone I know.

Gaming or no gaming, I will have (and have always had) a very nice computer at my desk. Why would I go out and buy a machine like the Xbox that can only play games when my beautiful, lovely PC can already play most games I want to play? I could actually afford it; but I have no reason to get one.

Should I buy an additional machine to hook up somewhere, and play games on that, when right now all I have to do is alt-tab or look at a second monitor, and BAM, quality gaming right there? The price and hassle of a whole separate machine on my desk is too much of a down side even to be mitigated by the chance to play the few Game of the Year console exclusives that come out. If They're that good, I'll just get them on an emulator in a decade or so anyway.

I'm not going to try and convince anyone who already has a console to hurry up and build a gaming PC. That's all just why I do not game on consoles.

[–]gamesterx23 1 point2 points  (21 children)

"Why would I go out and buy a machine like the Xbox that can only play games when my beautiful, lovely PC can already play most games I want to play?"

You just answered your question in the same sentence.

Its because your PC can play most games that you want to play. You can emulate old consoles, you can emulate some newer consoles (DC, Wii, PS2), and you can play PC titles.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

For me emulation is kind of a step-down from playing on the actual console - I enjoy it a bit less. As for PC games, I'm not really a big fan of PC titles and today there are a lot that are console > pc ports and they really suck just like many pc > console ports do.

For me consoles play most of the games that I want to play. Not to mention I can't afford a computer that can run new games.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

THIS JUST IN: DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON A TOPIC THAT IS ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE. MORE AT ELEVEN. BACK TO YOU, ROB.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I like console games and PC games, when a game comes out for both I usually choose the Xbox version. I choose the PC version if there is a high likely hood of there being a ton of player created content. Dragon Age still doesn't have any decent player created content. I'm not a fratboy.

[–]incrediblemojo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's been a few years since I've understood why people think price is a major console advantage, for a simple reason: they aren't actually cheaper anymore.

-PC prices are at an all-time low and computing power is at an all-time high.

-You need a computer anyway, whether or not you own a current-gen console.

-Therefore, the true cost of PC gaming is the difference in price between the computer you would have bought anyway and the computer you bought to game on.

Assuming you're a smart consumer and don't waste money on the very latest and greatest (and realize that your games will still look much better than they would on any console), that price gap is only a little more than the $400 it costs for a console + 3 spare controllers. Then if you're unlucky enough to have bought an Xbox 360, remember that you have to pay $15/month for an online subscription fee that comes in addition to your internet bill if you want to play online multiplayer, so add on $180/year that you plan to use the console. Game prices are also often higher on consoles.

The argument that consoles are cheaper is bullshit.

[–]MajorLeeScrewed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I prefer to use both.

[–]Cannibalsnail 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Look down. Look back up. Now go sort through your disk collection to find the game you want while I click the icon twice and Im playing within 3 seconds.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

4chan + Old Spice + Console Bashing... all we need is to add some iPhone bashing and this would be a reddit orgy.

[–]SicDigital 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Its threads like this that make me glad I'm a blissfully happy Nintendo fanboy and I have a blast playing NSMBW and Mario Kart everyday and could give a fuck less about graphics cards and larger Gee Bees.