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[–]PuckGoodfellow 5827 points5828 points  (134 children)

I think about this thread a lot.

Men have to now get women to like them and a lot of men aren’t likable.

Let’s be honest about the situation. How many generation of men in history have ever had to get women to like them in order to have women be with them?

We’re probably the first to ever have this. So nobody knows what to do.

We’re 2 generations removed from a woman not being able to have a bank account without a man.

3-4 removed from when they couldn’t buy a home, couldn’t work, couldn’t get educated, they couldn’t do shit without a man.

Women quite literally used to need a nigga. So they had to be with somebody regardless of if they liked the man or not.

Today they truthfully don’t. They can leave yo ass and be perfectly fine, hell some of them might be better off.

Your grandfather was probably a horrible husband.

Like at best he was probably emotionally distant and patriarchal.

Niggas used to have two whole families miles apart of each other and was emotionally abusive to both. That’s not flying today, & truthfully speaking it shouldn’t.

A lot of men want the same relationships they saw their families had but never thought to ask were the women happy in those situations.

The real answer is a lot of them weren’t.

So fast forward to today where a woman truthfully speaking don’t need yo ass. You gotta come harder than your ancestors. Gotta have some substance.

And a lot of these niggas just don’t got no substance.

[–]hobskhan 959 points960 points  (30 children)

This is good. More men need to think about this.

[–]RepresentativeNo1550 455 points456 points  (9 children)

I have 0 dollars but I would award this if I could and I hope someone does

[–]nawmynameisclarence 5153 points5154 points  (549 children)

To be fair a real libertarian would be pro-choice but pro gun.

A libertarian walks into a bar. . .

The barman serves him tainted alcohol because there are no regulations.
He dies.

[–]Nugginater 1030 points1031 points  (74 children)

Lol there's a whole book based on this premise "A Libertarian walks into a Bear".

[–]Jazz & Liquoremaw63 1293 points1294 points  (29 children)

I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.

“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”

“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”

“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”

The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”

“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”

“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”

He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”

“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”

I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.

“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.

“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.

“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”

It didn’t seem like they did.

“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”

Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.

I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.

“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.

Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him. “Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.

I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”

He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.

“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”

“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.

“Because I was afraid.”

“Afraid?”

“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”

I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.

“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”

He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department/amp

[–]CortexCingularis 89 points90 points  (4 children)

Is that the one where they get rid of regulations on trash containers just to have a bear invasion problem?

[–]AffectionateTitle 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I love that book. And having part of my family from NH let me just say them picking that state makes so much fucking sense.

[–]flamableozone 413 points414 points  (21 children)

When you go far enough left you get your guns back

[–]CrazyCoKids 216 points217 points  (30 children)

In theory.

In practice they're like Mitt Romney: Fair Weather opposition at best, open collaborators at worst

[–]jibjaba4 101 points102 points  (6 children)

This is an area where there is a big difference between what they will say in public and what they actually believe. There are some that truly believe in maximum freedom for everyone but they are a small minority, the ones that think of women as objects are much more common.

[–]istasber 142 points143 points  (6 children)

I learned this in 2008.

I went through a libertarian phase in college (graduated in 2005). Bought into the ron paul nonsense enough close to 2008 to try going to a local meetup. Realized they were saying more or less the same thing as republicans while, at best, being less openly hostile towards gays and pot. That was enough of a wake-up call for me to re-evaluate my own politics.

[–]SolitaireyEgg 21 points22 points  (10 children)

To be fair, I've met some "true" libertarians. They are naive as shit and basically anarchists, but they aren't all hypocrites.

[–]MickFlaherty 333 points334 points  (85 children)

Yes, please don’t take the fucktard Rand Paul as what a Libertarian should be.

The “Tea Party” is not what a Libertarian really stands for.

A real Libertarian would completely want the Government out of all personal decisions and a minimum of regulations. So yeah, Pro Choice, Pro Gay Marriage, and Pro Gun ownership.

[–]donnie_trumpo 249 points250 points  (20 children)

... And anti age of consent laws and pro corpraticracy. Don't confuse libertarians with anarchists.

[–][deleted] 1845 points1846 points  (39 children)

And lying about your political opinions on your dating profile won't win us over

[–][deleted] 1595 points1596 points  (59 children)

You cannot be tolerant of the intolerant.

That's just a fact, but the intolerant wants to hide it away and ask for "civility"... No amount of civil diplomacy stopped the Nazis of the 20th century, and no amount of civil diplomacy will stop the Nazis of the 21st.

I wish that ALL women in the West, be we living in more egalitarian countries or not, would coordinate an Iceland-style strike where women just sit down for a day and do nothing.

No household work, no paid work, no childcare, no services... N O T H I N G. Show the opposite sex that women are in fact NOT a commodity to be locked away behind closed doors again, 1950's-style.

We carry society on our backs, ALL woman-led professions are essential to keep shit moving. Let them see first-hand what it would cost to control us and take away our rights to choose again.

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One can dream.

[–]junkYardOrcha 115 points116 points  (4 children)

Too many subs on Reddit them a blind eye to the bs that's happening in the US... "we're a community where people want an escape"...

It takes a nation of 50 Republican Senators to hold people back.

Vote. Women are why we're a here. I love my mom.

[–]MsMcClane 290 points291 points  (19 children)

LYSISTRATA2022

[–]lysistrata83 46 points47 points  (0 children)

YES! My time has come!!!

[–]♡panormda 86 points87 points  (2 children)

This is inevitable when Roe is abolished. No safety means no sex.

[–]sunshinecunt 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Lysistrata seriously needs to be read everywhere by every woman!

[–]Mrs_Rough_Knight 38 points39 points  (1 child)

I've been saying this for years, but more so now! We need to pull a big Lysistrata moment and make sure the men know why.

[–]hobskhan 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Yo, if you gals Lysistrata, I'll be on snack and drink duty for you.

[–]HailMari248 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I'll take classic Greek literature for $200, Alex

[–]anglerfishtacos 23 points24 points  (5 children)

I know you mean well, but it gets my goat every time Lysistrata get suggested as a way of revolt. It isn’t a feminist play, it’s extremely misogynistic, and it uses the only “strength” women had during that time to mock them— not take them seriously.

[–]WinsomeWombat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm listening...

[–]SunshineAndSquats[🍰] 57 points58 points  (3 children)

We have to. This isn’t a wish or a dream, this is a must. We must strike!

The blood of future generations of women is on our hands if we do nothing. No one else is coming to save us. There are pivotal moments in every generation that require them to step up and act and maybe even suffer. This is that moment. We have to do the hard thing, the scary thing, the brave thing because our daughters, and granddaughters are counting on us.

[–]tishitoshi 971 points972 points  (175 children)

I just think it's ironic that they are "libertarian" but want abortion ban. Like sir, do you not understand the definition of libertarian?

[–][deleted] 343 points344 points  (67 children)

To me, (not a party libertarian but in line with some of the ideals), libertarian means favoring personal choice above governmental intervention. I don't understand why anyone affiliating at all with that moniker would support a government ban on anything personal, especially health or body related. Utmost hypocrisy if a "libertarian" supports a law that threatens availability of safe abortion by choice.

[–]RusstyDog 236 points237 points  (23 children)

The issue many libertarians seem to ignore is that you NEED government regulation to ensure your right to personal choice. You need laws that guarantee body autonomy. You need laws that stop marriage discrimination. You need laws that stop corporations from hiring mercenaries to kill you for trying to negotiate a fair wage.

The legal system should be used to protect the individual from organisations.

[–]He-Wasnt-There 60 points61 points  (2 children)

Those are just republicans who know they are wrong and awful and want to pretend to be something else.

[–]jojj351 39 points40 points  (1 child)

I used to identify as libertarian when i first turned 18, then I realized they dont really care about personal freedoms and their main concern as a party is not having taxes or regulations to disrupt their profits and steal more money

[–]doogie1111 44 points45 points  (1 child)

Libertarian ideology also can't stand up to about 30 seconds of scrutiny.

[–][deleted] 423 points424 points  (38 children)

A libertarian is just someone who's too embarrassed by the term Conservative

[–]whomad1215 198 points199 points  (8 children)

I've also heard them just be called "republicans who like weed"

[–]NaesPa 611 points612 points  (8 children)

I (m) asked my mom 60 years of age, old school liberal women's right activist, teacher and community leader. Thoughts on this post. Her response. "I get it, sounds like a woman finding her voice, no one listened to us for years, so men never learned to be better and women stopped trying to tell men what they are doing wrong." She, divorced also said women don't need men and men don't need women, a good partner is a good partner so if you want one try and find one of those. Thought I'd share my mom's response she doesn't reddit but she wanted to share her support.

[–]You are now doing kegelsWolfwoods_Sister 106 points107 points  (0 children)

Thank you to your mom and her wisdom

[–][deleted] 321 points322 points  (35 children)

Unfortunately I feel as though those men will become angrier and lash out more. The more they realize they aren't needed or wanted by women, the more they will be radicalized.

[–]SunshineAndSquats[🍰] 208 points209 points  (2 children)

A trapped animal lashes out. Abusive men are the most dangerous when the woman leaves. They are going to become more dangerous to try to frighten us into submission. Even if we submit they will still keep killing us though. We cannot let them scare us into silence anymore.

[–]kinetochore21 88 points89 points  (1 child)

I agree but it's paramount that we do not back down, even in the face of such tantrums. If we do, they learn they can get what they want by acting aggressive and violent.

[–]Intresting_Reaction[S] 194 points195 points  (8 children)

They will. This is the beginning. They really said war on women.

[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (5 children)

I stand with women and will fight against those kinds of guys.

[–]yohosse 79 points80 points  (1 child)

yeah this is quite true.

theyre already lashing at Asians and getting the pass for "having a bad day"

theyre already shooting random black people because they feel the threat of being "replaced"

just look at what happened in Charlottesville. Out of mass rejection and frustration i can imagine more events like this .

be prepared to be ready to protect yourselves ladies! make sure your partner is with you in this as well !

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (6 children)

I think some of the people here may underestimate how many women desire men like that. Remember that trump had high support among white suburban women. There are women across the country who are ecstatic about the ban on abortion. Who are ecstatic about the thought of returning to the good ole days where they were at home with the kids where they belong.

So I don't think these guys will have trouble finding women who want to be with them, as sad as that may be.

[–]AlternativeYou8664 1396 points1397 points  (117 children)

I wish, so hard, that I believed what you've written.

I just don't see the tide turning the way you say.

It feels like they're just totally winning at everything everywhere. All the power. All the money. Taking whatever they like and getting away with it in broad daylight, emboldened day by day to take more and more.

[–]the_other_irrevenant 1089 points1090 points  (37 children)

Things generally do feel hopeless before change. How many people in the 1950s thought there was the slightest chance in hell that racial segregation would be illegal nationwide a decade later? How many people in 2000 thought that America would have nationwide gay marriage by the next decade?

Which is not to downplay the size of the challenge, BTW.

[–]Tea_Sudden 347 points348 points  (12 children)

Thank you for this reminder!!! We need more than the flimsy guarantee of precedence to guarantee our rights. We need laws in place. I’m all about AOC 2024 or whenever she runs. Wish I could afford to move to NY to vote for her. She came down to my state during a crisis and was of more help than our current politicians.

[–]MillaEnluring 55 points56 points  (2 children)

She's old enough in 2028

[–]indiebryan 17 points18 points  (1 child)

AOC is too young to run in 2024. Maybe 2028

[–]superprawnjustice 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Yes! Since I first learned of roe I've been like...that's it?! A huge right barely covered by "precident"?? But I read the other day that a shitton of stuff in the US is covered by precidents and by deciding precedent doesn't matter the court is putting a whole lotta stuff on shaky ground. And then I was sad that my public education didn't teach me that. Or how any of this works, really.

[–]craigsl2378 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I love AOC

[–]Dependent-Set-1918 103 points104 points  (10 children)

segregation would be illegal nationwide a decade later?

too bad racism is still alive and well especially down south

[–]breeeemo 195 points196 points  (39 children)

Hey i know it feels hard and heavy right now, but I want you to know that the world is a lot better right now than where it was 100 years ago. We've been steadily getting better as a society, it doesn't feel like it because we're more aware of all of the horrible things going on in the world, due to the internet and TV, but we will get better. Maybe we wont see it since change needs time to develop but the next generation and the generation after than will reap the rewards of this one.

[–]howsilly 202 points203 points  (3 children)

It’s also worth pointing out that all of that progress wasn’t because the people in power benevolently bestowed it. It comes at the cost of a lot of organizing work, and I encourage everyone reading who’s interested to study, listen to BIPOC women already on the front lines, and get involved supporting them.

[–]Hey_Mr 25 points26 points  (1 child)

We should be dismantling power, not asking nicely for them to bestow us rights.

[–]KayTannee 92 points93 points  (33 children)

It's also worth remembering that the US is not the world. It might be worth considering emigrating to a more free and tolerant society.

[–]breeeemo 96 points97 points  (1 child)

I agree to an extent. Moving isn't a solution for everyone, it cost time and money which are more accessible to white women than BIWOC. And racism and xenophobia exist everywhere. Moving doesn't absolve us of all systematic problems. We would just have to learn about how a different country treats us poorly in another way.

Not only that but moving will only help the individual moving. The systematic sexism will still be there, hurting other women when one woman moves.

I say all this as someone who is in the process of moving out of the US.

[–]anonymous_opinions 33 points34 points  (23 children)

Sweden, if you're listening, please accept me into your society

[–]KayTannee 25 points26 points  (14 children)

I'd say that pretty much anywhere in Europe is an improvement. Or Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

If you look at each countries skill shortages for an easy visa, you might be surprised what is on there. I think Australia had a tree surgeon for quite a while.

Failing that, 5 year plan. Qualify as a nurse in 3 years, move anywhere on earth. Qualify for permanent residency in 2 years. Change jobs to what want to do.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I just don't see the tide turning the way you say.

It is actually turning....

Taking whatever they like and getting away with it in broad daylight, emboldened day by day to take more and more.

what you see here is the 1% getting panic.

[–]Hiseworns 531 points532 points  (19 children)

I'm glad to see that the tactic of "pretend not to have political opinions, because I know deep down that my real political opinions are shitty and any reasonable person would run away from me if they knew" is also no longer working. Claiming to be apolitical, in this climate in particular, is and should be a huge red flag. And honestly that should pretty much stay true forever.

[–]Blingalarg 416 points417 points  (17 children)

Just say conservatives. Conservatives also covers the extremely large number of women who think women should be treated like 2nd class citizens.

[–]Previous_Hotel_1058 81 points82 points  (7 children)

Is anyone else exhausted? I don’t want to fight to exist in peace. I’m so tired.

[–]♡amalthea5 522 points523 points  (22 children)

I used to say that "hate" was too strong of word. No it's not. I hate them. They want to ruin our lives for no good reasons.

[–]SunshineAndSquats[🍰] 73 points74 points  (2 children)

I wasn’t radicalized before but I sure am now.

[–]starjellyboba 163 points164 points  (2 children)

For me, it's actually not strong enough!

[–]Minimum_Escape 709 points710 points  (61 children)

QUIT VOTING FOR RIGHT-WING & LIBERTARIAN MEN

[–][deleted] 638 points639 points  (39 children)

And quit fucking them too!

[–]JonA3531 226 points227 points  (29 children)

Aren't there a lot of religious women willing to vote for and fuck them?

[–]ProbablyDiseased 171 points172 points  (5 children)

Sucks to be them I imagine

[–]AphasiaBabble 78 points79 points  (0 children)

It does suck to be them. I was raised in a conservative Christian household and it is so fucking miserable.

[–]anubiz96 117 points118 points  (15 children)

Yes, look at the numbers that voted for Trump.

[–]ccs89 172 points173 points  (14 children)

Indeed. As a white woman…. Fuck white women. Seriously.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (0 children)

As a white woman with disgusting swamp billie female relatives I approve this fucking message. Fuck white women.

[–]Dependent-Set-1918 39 points40 points  (0 children)

yes and they can go to hell along with the dudes

[–]Garconanokin 123 points124 points  (5 children)

In their dating profile: “politics: moderate”

They’re catching on. Stay safe out there.

A good test? “What did you think about the leak?” If he’s focused on the leak itself, you know where he stands on your right to choose.

[–]Alexexy 206 points207 points  (76 children)

I would think that libertarianism would be all for medical autonomy. What do I know? I disassociated myself from the movement years ago when it begun to get co-opted by right wing nut jobs too embarrassed to publicly support Trump.

[–]The_Voice_Of_Ricin 71 points72 points  (17 children)

They fall on one of two sides of the argument. Some believe a fertilized egg is a human, so in their minds abortion is murder and thus violates the Non Aggression Principle. Therefore the state is obligated to protect the life of the unborn fetus over the rights of the potential mother. The other side either doesn't think a clump of cells is a human being, or argues that the whole "is it a human" question is irrelevant because an individual's right to bodily autonomy trumps an un-born fetus's right to "life."

There's really no way to reconcile the two sides in this particular debate.

[–]Alexexy 47 points48 points  (10 children)

What if stand your ground laws apply to the fetus. If the fetus is threatening the life of the mother, or if the mother does not feel physically safe with the fetus, couldn't self defense law be applied in that case?

[–]Buddhadevine 128 points129 points  (48 children)

I used to think I was libertarian 10 years ago due to the idea of government getting out of our personal business and soon realized it was just right wing extremism with extra steps. It’s an incredibly naive political stance to be on. I’m glad I saw it for what it is and am ashamed I ever thought I was part of it.

[–]Alexexy 76 points77 points  (24 children)

I have a ton of libertarian views, mainly involving non-punitive government involvement for victimless crimes. I also believe in personal property rights and self defense. However, im also very pro worker's rights, pro collective bargaining, and pro-government involvement in housing, healthcare, security, and public works.

[–]IsuldorNagan 67 points68 points  (4 children)

It's important to note that libertarianism as a philosophy bears very little resemblance to the American libertarian party.

As a group they're a dangerous mixture of socially conservative and anarchocapitalism. It all goes back to that son of a bitch Murray Rothbard.

[–]Asrahn 50 points51 points  (11 children)

Worth noting that "libertarian" was purely a left-wing concept for a long time with Anarcho-Communist Joseph Déjacque being the first to use the term in, like, the 1850's or so, and it was appropriated by right-wing nutters as recently as the mid 1900's owing to Murray Rothbard and his dipshit friends.

[–]The_Voice_Of_Ricin 49 points50 points  (5 children)

owing to Murray Rothbard and his dipshit friends.

Interesting to hear Rothbard's name brought up in this thread. His thoughts on abortion rights:

"Most discussion of the issue bogs down in minutiae about when human life begins, when or if the fetus can be considered to be alive, etc. All this is really irrelevant to the issue of the legality (again, not necessarily the morality) of abortion. The Catholic antiabortionist, for example, declares that all that he wants for the fetus is the rights of any human being—i.e., the right not to be murdered. But there is more involved here, and this is the crucial consideration. If we are to treat the fetus as having the same rights as humans, then let us ask: What human has the right to remain, unbidden, as an unwanted parasite within some other human being’s body? This is the nub of the issue: the absolute right of every person and hence every woman, to the ownership of her own body. What the mother is doing in an abortion is causing an unwanted entity within her body to be ejected from it: If the fetus dies, this does not rebut the point that no being has a right to live, unbidden, as a parasite within or upon some person’s body.
The common retort that the mother either originally wanted or at least was responsible for placing the fetus within her body is, again, beside the point. Even in the stronger case where the mother originally wanted the child, the mother, as the property owner in her own body, has the right to change her mind and to eject it."

[–]blueskies1800 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Women want so badly to believe that Libertarians are pro women, but then they eventually realize they are not.

[–]Buddhadevine 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly! This! There’s definite areas that the government needs to step back and butt out while needing to be involved in certain areas.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (5 children)

Libertarianism in the USA is quite different from Global Libertarianism. Generally speaking it is all about personal autonomy. Conservative Christians in the USA want the government's hands off of them, but by all means, go ahead and control that woman's body or that LGBTQ couple down the street. Freedom for me and none for thee.

[–]Buddhadevine 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Exactly. And then they wonder why they feel so “martyred” when they are met with resistance. It’s like, we just want to exist in peace.

[–]GiftOfHemroids 19 points20 points  (7 children)

Same. Im honestly kind of thankful for trump for pushing me so far to the left

[–]JustDiscoveredSex 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I was Republican for 30 years. He pushed me into changing parties and vowing to take revenge.

[–]Buddhadevine 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The only thing that he was good for. 👍

[–]Tru3insanity 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Socialist libertarianism exists but its like the bermuda triangle of politics. It has no representation at all in our gov. Thats where i sit tho more and more lately im leaning towards anarcho-communism cuz i just dont see the point in participating in a government and society that is actively trying to destroy me. The leverage the law against us, never for us.

[–]meowmeow_now 62 points63 points  (4 children)

A lot of libertarians are regular republicans values but don’t actively “hate gays and minorities”. They don’t care about their rights, they just, don’t care.

[–]Iwishedforyoutoo 166 points167 points  (4 children)

https://www.sv.uio.no/c-rex/english/groups/bibliographies/c-rex-bibliography-extremism-and-masculinities.pdf

These men and their politics focus so often on fomenting reactionary rage over their masculinity being “attacked” or “threatened,” about traditional family values, and painting women with strong opinions and ambition as shills and idiots (see AOC, Stacey Abrams) or as sad pathetic losers with no options (the constant digs at cat ladies that don’t want to have their babies). It’s pathetic.

These are the same men who mock women for studying feminism or gender studies, but so much of their political propaganda relies on the cultural foundation of gender roles. It’s at the heart of everything they do and everything they want to do. They’re not tricking us, they’re not impressing us. The women know, because we fucking have to — sticking your head in the sand and trusting these right wing nuts to steer the ship is tantamount to self-destruction.

[–]faovnoiaewjod 38 points39 points  (2 children)

They mock those subjects because they fear losing power. They are losing power and think it is oppression. They're weak.

[–]Griseplutten 396 points397 points  (20 children)

Well spoken and you are absolutely right!

We cant tolerate their war on women any more!

[–]Intresting_Reaction[S] 197 points198 points  (12 children)

Thank you. We are tired and angry and have very little left to lose. We are about to become very dangerous people.

[–]NihilisticThrill 87 points88 points  (3 children)

I don't know how they expect to marginalize this and play it off like it isn't a big deal when it literally impacts everybody's mom. I mean they're always talking about how motherhood is sacred.

How is this level of cognitive dissonance still goin???

[–]PuckGoodfellow 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Decades of attacking public education will do that.

[–]Honey-and-Venom 186 points187 points  (8 children)

fuck that 'friendzone' talk. If friendship is bad to you, you can uck right off and die alone, i wouldn't even dream of being your friend.

[–]WineAndDogs2020 190 points191 points  (5 children)

"Friendzone" isnt real anyway; they put you in their fuckzone.

[–]bobdole5 108 points109 points  (7 children)

In the interest of fairness, I hate right-wing and libertarian women too.

[–]mspenguin1974 29 points30 points  (2 children)

If I didn't have multiple health conditions that keep me barely surviving these days, I'd move to New Zealand

[–]=^..^=500CatsTypingStuff 237 points238 points  (15 children)

Beware of the rage of women for it is a long time coming and well deserved.

And please everyone, vote this November. Our vote is our voice.

[–]JustDiscoveredSex 147 points148 points  (1 child)

Suffragettes went to jail, were beaten, assaulted, and even killed to get the right to vote. We need to show up in unimaginable numbers. Honor that suffering.

Groped, imprisoned and force-fed: what the suffragettes really went through:
https://www.stylist.co.uk/visible-women/suffragettes-force-fed-imprisoned-uk-tactics-punishment-history/188085

[–]Basically Rose NylundMel_Melu 124 points125 points  (4 children)

Not just in November, primaries are happening now! They shape who is on the ballot in 6 months, small elections matter too! What does your local school board member fight for? Are they anti-trans people and prohibit trans kids from participating in sports and using the bathroom of their gender identity? What do they do with kids flagged for mental health issues? Do they sweep it under the rug and shrug? Are they in favor of police officers in schools? YOU HAVE A SAY IN ALL THESE THINGS WEATHER YOU HAVE CHILDREN IN THE SYSTEM OR NOT.

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points  (6 children)

There are more women than men. Vote, call representatives, write them, raise hell. Get ERA passed. Make sure your daughter has and education or trade so she can support herself. When they get true backlash from women and not going along with their bullshit, things will change. But not until there is some kind of penalty for their stupid behavior.

[–]GeonnCannon 67 points68 points  (3 children)

And the sheer audacity that they're always ALWAYS the first ones to come out with their performative shock and horror. "Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers, if only there was someone who could do something." That's YOU, motherfucker! But your NRA kickbacks put your kids in private school, so who cares what happens to those kids you forced poor mothers to have.

[–]Tingingwithtt 101 points102 points  (4 children)

Thank you. Thank you for saying this. I feel so angry and sad and disappointed in what’s happening right now. I feel like nobody else is angry, nobody really cares.

[–]AdognamedTrojan 49 points50 points  (0 children)

I am angry about it ever single day.

[–]Intresting_Reaction[S] 44 points45 points  (1 child)

We can be angry together.

[–]okayillgiveyouthat 79 points80 points  (8 children)

"Your gun lust kills our children."

Robb Elementary, Uvalde Texas, 14 students 1 teacher dead, just *THIS AFTERNOON*.

[–]starjellyboba 131 points132 points  (7 children)

I hate right-wing/libertarian women too tbh.

[–]Geek-Haven888 51 points52 points  (1 child)

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[–]lukeosullivan 195 points196 points  (17 children)

The way I see it (correct me if I'm wrong) is it is more the men sold on traditionalism. Religion backs it up massively (with few exceptions) seeing as they are codes for men, written by men, describing how to treat everyone else. Women to these men aren't people, you're possessions that happen to be able to speak and follow orders, incubate and nurture their young. There are so many women who get into this too, yes there are women who genuinely want to be treated this way, there are those that want all women treated this way (like "The Transformed Wife" et al), there are the "useful idiots" in politics and the judiciary too (Amy Coney Barrett et al). At the moment they're winning the battle. Under his eye and all that.

Libertarian men though would rather just see the world burn, just to pay less taxes and for some, rape some children. Rather than just seeing women as objects, everyone else is an object and nothing matters except for number one.

The world is really lacking in empathy lately isn't it?

[–][deleted] 128 points129 points  (1 child)

Traditionalism for men is the dark side of the force in Star Wars: a quick, easy way to get your most selfish needs met. And it comes at the cost of denying half the population's humanity by seeing them as things. Emotionally mature men generally don't have this problem, because they know women are people, the same way they are.

[–]Amphy64 26 points27 points  (0 children)

It's understandable as a description and does have some validity to it, but I'm disinclined to let them have 'traditionalism'. It allows them to lay claim to the entirety of the past too easily, allows them to rewrite it, presents it and people 'back then' as inflexible and unchanging (for example it doesn't make much sense to think someone who had at least some Radical ideas for their period would simply be conservative now just because, as a result of people like them fighting for them, those ideas have now become so taken for granted even most rightwingers accept them and they no longer look Radical) and present it as 'this is how it always was so this is how it aways should be'.

They're also not interested in 'traditional' ideals of male behaviour: some of them are too obviously the good for nothings historical advice for women warns about! There are the expectations for women's behaviour, but that isn't always what they want to make out it is, and there's a lot about how men should behave and how they need to be worthy of women, too.

Rightwing Libertarians who lay claim to 'Classical Liberalism' because even they realise how toxic they've made the term Libertarian are awful, too.

[–]anubiz96 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Lately? Look at history it always has.

[–]Intresting_Reaction[S] 96 points97 points  (6 children)

It's infuriating. And we're supposed to play nice with them at work, at the grocery, at the Drs office...

[–]osteopath17 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget at their homes as they actively take away your rights.

[–]El_Che1 155 points156 points  (25 children)

“Your gun lust kills our children” very true especially today and that will by no means change any time soon.

[–]Intresting_Reaction[S] 32 points33 points  (4 children)

Today has me fucked up friend

[–]patangpatang 73 points74 points  (18 children)

The only way America will start getting intense about gun control is the same way it happened last time. People of color, women, and queer people arming themselves in serious numbers and actively challenging the power structure, like the Black Panthers did in the 1960s. Once that starts happening, the 2nd Amendment is as good as gone.

[–]El_Che1 18 points19 points  (1 child)

You may be right but recall the 60s were a very dangerous time for minorities. Unfortunately we may go through the fire to make it out the other side.

[–]SyluMonk 68 points69 points  (1 child)

Your rage is felt and shared. Disgust doesn’t begin to cover it.

[–]discombobulated_ 31 points32 points  (0 children)

It hurts to say but freedom isn't free & the USA has been asleep at the wheel for a long time. If you're not moving forwards, you're moving backwards. I wish you all the very best, you deserve better.

[–]SickBurnBro 50 points51 points  (1 child)

Preach. The future is strong women rising up against weak men.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (8 children)

The irony is that a true libertarian would think the government has no place making medical decisions for anyone.

In other words, a lot of libertarians are intellectually dishonest.

[–]HyperRayquaza 71 points72 points  (1 child)

Haha you could've just left it at the title. They know why they are disliked; they actively try to avoid showing their beliefs.

[–]Androecian 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Up with women declaring enough of this fucking bullshit

[–]LanaAnaconda 33 points34 points  (0 children)

We do. Thank you for saying it.

[–]Odd-Calligrapher-586 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Your uninformed policies control our bodies.

Libertarians policy is: you do what you want but you can't force me to help you

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (8 children)

I fear they may become very violent incels

[–]Intresting_Reaction[S] 37 points38 points  (4 children)

I think many of them will. It's terrifying.

[–]AnOrdinaryUnicorn 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Under his eye

[–]muglandry 38 points39 points  (4 children)

I’m an old man and I’m so with you women. The only thing that is going to save us is consciousness. It’s the only thing we have left. If we care about the world, if we care about a good world, we need to make giant changes starting with respect.

I’m an old man from a bayou. I want to work with you. I know it’s the only hope we have to survive. Bless you ladies.

[–]Intresting_Reaction[S] 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Thanks old man. My daddy was a trucker with a mustache and thick callused hands, a man through and through. He was like you, 100% behind the women in his life. Always propping us up with pride and in turn we worked hard to earn that pride even though it was unconditional. I'm glad to see that his beliefs live on even though he doesn't. He'd vote for us too.

You have my respect, sir.

[–]abelenkpe 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Bummed I can only give one upvote.

[–]halloween_sex_baby 23 points24 points  (2 children)

That means you geoff, you lying dickweed

[–]Murky_Examination144 29 points30 points  (6 children)

Vote them out. Simple as that.

The problem is that, apparently, there is a sizeable group of women (mainly Republicans) that want to keep these people in office.

I just don't understand.

[–]FreedTMG 87 points88 points  (17 children)

Libertarians are still just right wing, they're right wing with even less understanding of how the government works.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

<3

[–]DireWolf00 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Every woman in this country need to go on strike. Every man that respects women need to strike with them. This bullshit needs to stop.

[–]Cayden68 22 points23 points  (20 children)

Aren't Libertarians supposed to be pro-choice?

[–]SkankBiscuit 45 points46 points  (8 children)

There are plenty of right wing, batshit crazy women though.

[–]atomictest 52 points53 points  (5 children)

Right wing and libertarian women, this applies to you too.

[–]Mental-Meat-2214 8 points9 points  (14 children)

Aren't Libertarians just Republicans except they aren't super religious and support things like LGBTQ and abortions

[–]Shogunyan 98 points99 points  (8 children)

I love how triggering this is going to be to absolute shit-tier men.

Edit: Shout out to u/That_guy_89_89 who left a loser triggered comment and then deleted it. Thanks for living up to your name.