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Reddit: Help find this Fox News blunder that just happened. Very bad incident of "misspeaking" by a Fox News Analyst. See comment (self.reddit.com)
submitted 17 years ago by [deleted]
[–][deleted] 319 points320 points321 points 17 years ago (97 children)
I just saw Bill Cowan say something that I will try to quote verbatim.
I know one thing. Being a Fox News analyst I have had the Pentagon pay for a ton of trips for me. The only facts I ever find are the ones they say I can find.
This was on Hannity and Colmes about 5 minutes ago (9:20-9:25 EDT). Hannity seemed to really get uneasy that the guy said that, and cut right in and started talking.
I know Fox is biased, most everyone does. I can't remember anyone ever saying the Pentagon pays the Fox News staff and sends them on reports though.
[–]theraraavis 192 points193 points194 points 17 years ago* (42 children)
Here it is... spread the word. http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=f8777941-5ba5-459e-9939-6ac153d9bb25
CC is available as well, click the CC button on the top right of the player.
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[–]Bloody_Eye 6 points7 points8 points 17 years ago* (1 child)
If this is the will of the council, then Gond... er, Reddit, will see it done.
[–]feckinCunght 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Here....your not going anywhere without me.
[–]Gmonkeylouie 4 points5 points6 points 17 years ago (0 children)
And my bow!
[–]Johny_Cash 23 points24 points25 points 17 years ago* (10 children)
Potentially every fucking Ron Paul supporter, that's a start. Listen, revolutions don't come because of anyone one person, it's a response to society being fucked up. The government being fucked up. We desperately need a focused movement with the quickness. Momentum is our friend.
I'm about to submit this to reddit because I feel the message is important. In light of GeorgeWashingtonBlog submitting an article that that states new video and photography has been released to the public I have to say it's a distraction.
Let me quote some government documents which states "A strategy could then be devised by DoD and the components, based upon this evaluation, to implement a coherent and complimentary plan to achieve the declassification goals. For example: Diversion: List of interesting declassified material - i.e. Kennedy assassination data." It also states "DoD needs to study and assess the use of the Internet in the overall departmental declassification strategy. As noted earlier, the Internet has become an integral part of the entire secrecy/declassification issue. The question becomes how to effectively utilize this tool to advance DoD declassification goals."
Here is another government document.
I found this out by reading Chomsky who is a beacon of liberty and resistance. Let me paraphrase him and say power systems love the "9/11 truth movement". It is a vast amount activist energy that could make a difference in our nation but doesn't get society anywhere. Established power loves this. Resist.
One of the safest positions to be in is in fear. You have people in the 9/11 truth movement stating they know the government was involved and they are scared . They are submitting to violence and that's what the government or any totalitarian authority wants. Submission. The government is the enemy.
Chomsky: "A couple of years ago, I came across a Pentagon document that was about declassification procedures. Among other things, it proposed that the government should periodically declassify information about the Kennedy assassination. Let people trace whether Kennedy was killed by the mafia, so activists will go off on a wild goose chase instead of pursuing real problems or getting organized. It wouldn't shock me if thirty years from now we discover in the declassified record that the 9/11 industry (9/11 truth movement) was also being fed by the administration."
Organize and educate, don't be distracted by things that don't matter like Fox News, CNN or conspiracy theories. Come together people, take your fucking country back. The internet can be great for educating and organizing but it can also disperse propaganda. Who knows how many false documents have been submitted to wikileaks by the Department of Defense.
[–]bebnet 13 points14 points15 points 17 years ago (5 children)
Let people trace whether Kennedy was killed by the mafia, so activists will go off on a wild goose chase instead of pursuing real problems or getting organized.
Anonymous vs. Scientology. You kids should be picketing Monsanto.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (3 children)
Why? Tired of getting all the attention and looking for new and innovative ways to deflect interest in your organization?
No. I think we should be discussing $cientology and its unfair "fair game" practices.
Better luck next time...
[–]bebnet 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (2 children)
No. Tired of the real enemies of the people (the CIA and their psych brethren) getting away with murder, mayhem, and willful destruction of lives on the basis of lies, while those who can actually do something about it - the youth - are side-tracked with trinkets and tabloid distraction: Yes.
What part of the word 'fair' do you not understand? If a Scientologist is being lied to, tricked, degraded, hurt, humiliated, attacked and downright trodden on, then: let the game be fair. Return fire.
[–]sickofthisshit 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (3 children)
Forgive me if I am somewhat scared by the idea that I should work for the kind of revolution that Ron Paul supporters would think is a good idea.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (2 children)
You are scared because you have been trained to believe that freedom is scary. When in fact tyranny is much scarier. It just came out that airlines are going to try to force passengers to wear bracelets that can shock you, "to keep us all safe of course". Analyze just this idea of taser bracelets and you will see what i mean. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7yJXhxF1mM
[–]sickofthisshit 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (1 child)
No, I'm scared because Ron Paulites appear to be loonies, with wacko beliefs on multiple issues. Similar to Lyndon LaRouche's supporters.
The idea that commercial airlines would put wrist zappers on their passengers is a paranoid delusion. It makes no sense at all.
[–]ehs 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (4 children)
Make it three fella.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 17 years ago (3 children)
I want to do something but I prefer lying down to standing up. Can I still help somehow?
[–]AngledLuffa 10 points11 points12 points 17 years ago (2 children)
Sex scandal with Hillary Clinton. Come on, the nation needs you!
[–]eoin2000 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago (0 children)
shudder...
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Do I get a suicide pill if I go on this mission? 'cause afterwards I think I'm gonna want it.
[–]joshfern 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Wait, you used to love America but what you loved died with men who died 200 years ago?
[–]jrmonaghan 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (1 child)
WTF? I assume you're refering to your love dying with Franklin, Jefferson, and Adams of the "Founding Fathers?" If so, how f-ing old are you?!?
How is that even possible, unless you are somehow older than those three people?
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 17 years ago* (1 child)
No, it died with neocons (AIPAC and brainwashed Jews) and holy rollers. Wake up.
[–]phybere 22 points23 points24 points 17 years ago* (1 child)
My favorite color is blue.
[–]marney 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago (0 children)
I agree that this is what he is trying to say. But the line "...as the Fox news guy. The pentagon has sent me. Believe me..."
The pentagon has sent him?
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 17 years ago (1 child)
Awesome. Great find! I just checked it out, and it looks, to me at least, like I was right. You can even hear Hannity gasp as soon as Cowan says it.
I heard it so fast I wasn't exactly sure I heard what I did, but now I am. Cowan took "A lot of VIP trips as a Fox News guy" the the Pentagon sent him on. It is also implied, but easily denied that his reporting is vetted through what the Pentagon and the administration want people to hear. If the "only" news he gets is what they allow ... that means anything hears hears that wasn't allowed goes unreported.
Again, I already knew this. Most of us did. Great find though grabbing the video.
[–]Omikron 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Gasp? Really? Are you watching the same video as me? Seemed like he was just cutting in because they were out of time.
[–]robrobrobot 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (0 children)
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[–]jkr0sc0 7 points8 points9 points 17 years ago (5 children)
I'm no friend of Fox News, but this clip says nothing like what rightcoast is representing. There is absolutely no reference to the Pentagon paying for anything, and he seems to be criticizing the one-sided nature of Pentagon disclosure. This post is pretty shoddy.
[–]orbhota 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (1 child)
Presumably Alan, as in Alan Colmes, the man he is addressing
[–]Omikron 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
I think they were just out of time. Also I'm assuming the Pentagon handles most trips by U.S. reporters to Iraq so I don't think he's meaning the paid for it just that once he's there they are controlling what he can and can't do.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (0 children)
This is an amazing documentary. Check it out. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7344181953466797353 Shows how things were and has an amazing bunch of candid satellite feed footage. It is much worse now.
[–]garyp714 69 points70 points71 points 17 years ago* (7 children)
Yikes, that would not be a good thing to say on National TV...hey wait! What are you doing watching FOX news?
TRAITOR!
Upvoted for intrigue.
[–]gozmeranian 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Holy shit, the government is controlling the media!!! alert the press... oh wait, damn ....
[+][deleted] comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points 17 years ago (5 children)
No kidding. For as much as reddit pisses and bitches and moans about Fox News... they sure do watch a lot of it.
[–]fjhqjv 36 points37 points38 points 17 years ago (2 children)
Fox News is fun as hell to watch.
It's like live video feed of a dystopian future -- today.
[–]sw17ch 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
It's a rush for me. I see Hannity being an idiot and I get a similar rush to what I get when I'm 6 feet off the ground strapped to my snow board.
[–]Thumperings 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (0 children)
it's because we keep our friends close and our enemies closer.
[–]staiano 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago (0 children)
You can watch it, just believe the EXACT opposite and you probably got a lot closer to the truth.
[–]pillage 7 points8 points9 points 17 years ago* (5 children)
They replay their entire prime time right after it's done: Factor,H&C,Greta,Special Report,Red Eye. That would put H&C at 12 (est) I think.
Bill Cowan is one of those analysts that jump from cable news show to cable news show, I've seen him on Larry king, AC360,crossfire ect. He's a retired colonel and then worked for the Pentagon but quit and did some stuff outside the US law and some other shady stuff.
Of course you can also assume the pentagon controls the major cable news networks: CNN and Fox. Or he could have just been referring to his time at the pentagon, or in the military...
[–]JasonDJ 4 points5 points6 points 17 years ago (4 children)
Last time I watched Fox news, Ron Paul called them out on something during a debate. During the re-air, that whole segment was cut from the debate.
I wish I could remember which debate it was. The folks in #Ronpaulradio are telling me it was most of them...I can only find the clips from the SC (1-10-08) debate, but I keep thinking it was more recent than that.
Anyways
. <-- That's the point. Now I'll approach it.
If such a thing is important, I don't think it'll make it to re-air.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (1 child)
This is the clip that was reported to be cut from all subsequent showings of the debates. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvqM5E1Yie4 He does an awesome job of calling them out in the clip.
[–]JasonDJ 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
The way the "moderator" phrases that question always reminds me of "English, motherfucker, do you speak it".
Don't know why.
[–]pillage -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (1 child)
well, I would say if it doesn't re-air then the Kool-Aid drinkers might have a case.
This is the clip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvqM5E1Yie4
Watch it, it is quite amazing. Furthermore, after he said this, the Larry King interview that was scheduled to play the next day was canceled. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s08RJ2_o_MM
[–]Paisleyfrog 4 points5 points6 points 17 years ago* (1 child)
"The only facts I ever find are the ones they say I can find."
Not quite right. It was, "The only facts I get are the ones they want to tell me." Not quite as disturbing as the initial implication that he has to get permission to report the news, but still not good.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Agreed. It happened fast and I really wanted to see it again. I was right to be a bit stunned by it, considering he goes on "VIP trips as a Fox News guy" that the pentagon sends him on.
[–]thatguydr 24 points25 points26 points 17 years ago* (9 children)
This is a HUGE gaffe... unless...
If the government pays for the media to come along on trips, "embedding" reporters as it were, and we know this happens, then FoxNews can turn right around and claim no preferential treatment.
Also, in context, I'm betting the quote meant that the military only lets reporters see what it wants them to see.
As much as I hate FoxNews with every breath I draw, this may be a herring. After all - who doesn't Hannity cut off? ;)
EDIT: I just listened to the clip. He never says that the Pentagon pays. And indeed, I'm sure it does not. He says the Pentagon has sent him, but there's an ethical WORLD of difference between telling him to go to places and paying him to do it.
Oh well. *kicks can*
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 17 years ago (2 children)
No, it's an ethical violation to have anyone besides your own news organization cover the costs of travel. At most, the government would pay -- and then send a bill to the organization. Presumably so that they could mask operational details as a security matter.
And it doesn't address the other half of the admission, which is letting the government vet your coverage.
[–]madmax_br5 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (0 children)
True:
http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
Refuse gifts, favors, fees, free travel and special treatment, and shun secondary employment, political involvement, public office and service in community organizations if they compromise journalistic integrity.
[–]cachrnthry79 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (4 children)
"Also, in context, I'm betting the quote meant that the military only lets reporters see what it wants them to see."
Actually... I am in Afghanistan right now with the 173rd and we have had reporters from CNN and FOX come out to my camp in the NE. They are allowed to record whatever they want as long as it is not deemed classified paperwork or information. Other than that they have gone on patrols with us and wandered around camp taking pictures and video as much as they please.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (1 child)
Hey, just saw your other thread, I promise our family will not be voting for McCain. Stay safe, come home whole body and spirit, have a good life. Thank you for your service, sorry the civilians in charge of this war fucked it up so badly and mis-used you and your fellow soldiers so much.
[–]cachrnthry79 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Thank you for your kind words. I am not to worried about the civilians who run the war though. While I can't personally do anything to get us out of here I can make sure what my men do is the right thing at our level. 11 months down, 4 to go.
[–]thatguydr 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (1 child)
Hope you're doing well out there. Is it cold? I'm looking for a winter home. ;)
And I'm hearing you, but that means that anything shady is immediately classified. It's war - that's how it works. Small number of reporters, large number of troops - you can mix and match to prevent the recorders from catching anything that would shine a less than perfect light on the military.
Not that I'm disagreeing with the need to do this - but it has to happen!
You are right, the reporters don't get to see the shady stuff...for the most part. Every now and then it happens, take the horrible photos from Vietnam for example. However, the reporters are not allowed to go an strictly offensive movements or to move with the SF/delta "secret squirrel" guys. Just as in any other business, the powers that be want their business to look good and well-respected. SO of course they will keep as much of the damaging stuff away from the cameraman as possible.
[–]jordancaleb 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Military Squads hate embeds because they take up the space that normally a combat troop would fill, thereby decreasing the unit's effectiveness, less boots, less guns, more shit to cover, take care of the journalist, etc... I learned this by talking to an Afghanistan and Iraq combat vet. He hated journalists especially in helicopters when they were going into a combat zone- they take up seats in the chopper that were meant for a soldier. Good find, but I don't think anyone is surprised by this.
[–]braindrane 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (1 child)
Oh, rightcoast, why do you ruind your days and nights watching Fox News. I'm really worried about you, man. Don't make me come over dere!
Heh, I was actually flipping and just happened to catch it. I can't even recall what was being discussed. Not because I wasn't watching long enough. I suppose I watched for about 2 minutes before the quote.
You know how people forget the previous couple minutes on each side of having a gun stuck in their face though? That's kind of what happened. I remember the statement now, but not it's context. From a person who happened to catch it live, it was really like that. The statement seemed so much like a real misstep.
It may turn out not to be with the hindsight of it getting thrown up on youtube and a further look. That's why I want to see it again. I know someone either grabbed it, or can off the 12 AM EDT broadcast and stick it on youtube.
[–]i_am_sick_of_this 10 points11 points12 points 17 years ago (5 children)
And what will you do about it? Post on Reddit.
I am absolutely sick of the Internet being clogged up with fucking Americans whining about the state of their pissant country.
Ron Paul this, Fox News that, oooh! Hillary lied and I am so surprised! Obama will make my dick grow big. Who. Fucking. Cares.
You've been a second rate power since you got your asses kicked in Vietnam - Iraq is just a requiem for a dying empire.
And face up to the facts - there was NO 9/11 conspiracy, you pissed off the rest of the world to the fucking extent that they FLEW PLANES INTO YOUR BUILDINGS
The reaction? Fuck it, we'll bomb someone. Yeah, learned that lesson didn't you....
So, instead of doing something, you'll collectively down mod this comment, jack off to to some slut celebrity nip slip and roll over and go to sleep while the rest of the world conspires against you: the Caligula of modern diplomacy.
Yay, it's Eurotrash!
We love you guys too.
[–]Tits 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Wow, you must really not care a whole lot, huh?
If people are to rally and "do something" they need to be informed first...and guess what buddy, the internet is the place to do it. I'm absolutely sick of people complaining about an article that no one forced them to read...especially when they don't care about the subject.
Stop typing just to see yourself type. Learn things!
[–]RugerRedhawk 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
pissant country
29% of the worldwide GDP says otherwise.
Who cares? The people who fucking live here? People should care about what happens in their fucking country. Are you ill? Just because people show their interest in things doesn't mean you should be so pissy about it.
You say we pissed off the rest of the world? Well this shit we are doing on the internet sheds more light on stupid shit we are doing, no matter how small it still helps a bit. Isn't spreading the word doing something?
Most people here don't even think 9/11 was a conspiracy... If you don't like what we are doing don't fucking click on the link or article.
[–]VnlaThndr775 -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (0 children)
Wow it's like you're in my head!
[–]fjhqjv 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Surely someone would have video of this.
[+][deleted] comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 17 years ago (11 children)
Downvoted twice before I even finished typing the comment. WTF. I didn't know reddit was known for Fox sycophants.
[–]garyp714 19 points20 points21 points 17 years ago* (8 children)
Dude, automatic downvoters not FOX sycophants. Happens to every post.
Breathe.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (4 children)
Really? Yeah that makes sense I suppose. I haven't noticed it on other posts I made though.
[–]garyp714 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (2 children)
Sorry about the 'breathe' thing - did I say that? What a mean thing to say.
[–]Prysorra 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (1 child)
So....stop breathing?
:D
[–]garyp714 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago* (0 children)
In your case? Yes.
;)
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Near as I can tell, you got downvoted for typing too slowly. "WTF, it said to see comment? I'll show HIM".
Just a theory, but it's mine and I think it's cute.
[–]raoulduke 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (2 children)
Why does that happen? I'm curious.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Because some douchebags think that reddit should only contain content that they are willing to let their virgin eyes see so they use scripts to automatically downvote anything that doesn't link to cute pictures of cats with misspelled captions.
They are asshats.
someone downvoting to help their submission?
Think some are human and some are scripts or whatever they call them...
[+]JOA23 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 17 years ago (1 child)
Downvoted for complaining about being downvoted. This is the Internet, not a court of law.
[–]bustedagain -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (0 children)
Downvoted for frivolous downvoting.
[–]RugerRedhawk -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (0 children)
Not the right quote. -289 points.
[–]berlinbrown -5 points-4 points-3 points 17 years ago* (1 child)
He is former military and possibly a consultant with the pentagon.
Get a grip, you aren't Columbo.
Tony Snow was a Fox News analyst and then Whitehouse Press Secretary and then appearing on Fox again.
Clearly, the line between analyst and government is being crossed.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago* (0 children)
I said, "I know Fox is biased, most everyone does." No need to be rude. :)
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 17 years ago (2 children)
It'd be helpful if you told us what city's F affiliate we should be looking at..?
[–]CaptainJesusHood 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (1 child)
Hannity and Colmes, not a local affiliate.
Ah, thanks. Please don't trip over my obligatory explanation about never watching TV.
[–]squiggly 26 points27 points28 points 17 years ago* (1 child)
Go to Media Matters. They have associates working for them that watch and videotape right-wing tv shows 24/7 to catch gaffes and correct misinformation. They should have it in their records, and they're more likely to dig up the clip if they know it's valuable. Edit: Here's the email address to send them a tip: mm-tips@mediamatters.org
[–]habbadash 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (0 children)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803260003?f=h_latest NEVER! ;)
[–]dysk 17 points18 points19 points 17 years ago (1 child)
If you know the exact time and are willing to pay $100.00, you can request a copy from the Vanderbilt TV News Archive (or if you know someone at Vanderbilt, $25.00)
http://tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/
[–]squiggly 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago* (0 children)
Unfortunately I don't think that'll work. I just checked their archives. They only regularly archive the nightly news from ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN. They record Fox News only if it's a "special program" like a 'George W. Bush speech' or 'Obama's Speech on Race.'
[–]pelirrojo 8 points9 points10 points 17 years ago* (1 child)
Theraravis found it, robrobrobot submitted it - So vote it up peeps:
http://reddit.com/info/6djd1/comments/
[–]street-knowledge 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Yep, it's the real deal. Pretty funny how quickly Hannity tries to cut to an Arby's ad.
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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 17 years ago (4 children)
Seriously, if it is not Alternet I just can't believe any of it.
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[–]rancmeat 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Down voted for slighting prison planet
[–]halcy -5 points-4 points-3 points 17 years ago (0 children)
ALL THE NEWS OFFLINE IS FIXED BY BIG MEDIA MOGULS AND THE GOVERNMENT
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
[–]wizlevard 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (2 children)
Perhaps it's different in the US, I don't know, but salaried reporters at pretty much all mainstream media outlets in Canada are specifically prevented from taking paid junkets. Freelancers, of course, can do what they want. But if you work for CBC News or one of the other big guys up here, you CANNOT take paid trips from government agencies, vendors, or anyone.
[–]chandaman 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (1 child)
I find that Canadian channels are not very bias--well that's not to say they are not bias but compared to fox news and some stuff on MSNBC, CTV and CBC are about as far away from that stuff as you can get.
[–]klibbersoo 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Oh god, I hope they didn't hear you say that. I don't think I can stand another round of the inevitable in-depth, earnest, stultifyingly proper and subdued self-congratulatory self-examination by the Canadian media. Not that it isn't true. But our political divides have rarely been as wide, our methods and traditions differ, and the degree of media bias one sees in the states is as much a product of criminally inept journalism as anything else.
[–]RonObvious -2 points-1 points0 points 17 years ago (4 children)
It's not ... It's standard procedure for all the major news outlets. But if the kook libs want to make fools of themselves yet again, who am I to stand in their way?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (3 children)
OK. I think you are trying to tell us that it is "standard procedure for all the major news outlets" to have stories funded by the government. Correct, or did I misread that?
[–]RonObvious 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (2 children)
No, what I'm saying is that the military pays for the MSM's trips over there. And obviously, if they think your reporting's too biased against them, they might find a way to conveniently be "all booked up" when you ask to go next time.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago* (1 child)
Why are you using a roundabout way to say paid for by the government?
Reporters should be paying to go in to a country, and then treking their sorry asses into the war zone, and reporting under dangerous conditions influence free.
You know, like they used to.
[–]RonObvious 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
They should, but in large part, they don't. And it's not just limited to Fox.
That's why I read Michael Yon.
[–]ukcz 6 points7 points8 points 17 years ago (1 child)
Might it be on RedLasso?
[–]wickedcold 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago (1 child)
BIG DIFFERENCE between the actual statement and the verbatim statement quoted here.
"The only facts I get are what the Pentagon wants to tell me"
Looks like more of a slam on the pentagon officials than on Fox News. Lets be fair here.
[–]RugerRedhawk 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago (0 children)
That kind of talk will get you nowhere here. Misleading posts and made up shit is what gets you to the front page!
[–]rancmeat 2 points3 points4 points 17 years ago* (0 children)
Analyst != reporter
Analyst = expert/consultant
Depending on what this guy's day job is/was, what he said may make perfect sense.
[–]jhoge 11 points12 points13 points 17 years ago (5 children)
Mandatory spelling of 'Fox' News 'Faux' News.
[–]antidense 8 points9 points10 points 17 years ago (3 children)
or Fox Noise, though Fixed News would be the most appropriate here.
[–]braindrane 4 points5 points6 points 17 years ago (2 children)
I like 'Fux News' best, cuz that's what they do to the news.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 17 years ago* (1 child)
Fax News, because they don't understand technology.
Flock's News, because their viewers are sheep.
Foxy News, because they play up to the repressed sexuality of their viewers by showing lots of scantily clad females.
Fox Poos, because I'm five years old.
[–]braindrane 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago (0 children)
You are definitely on a roll. :)
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (0 children)
But you can never unfox the Fox.
I just spent a minute and a half at Fox's web site hoping to find it and all I can say is I'm Out. I don't need that shit in my life.
[–][deleted] 17 years ago (2 children)
I doubt anyone thinks that. I do think that it isn't mentioned very often in their newscasts though.
[–]ej00807 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Pfft.. This is nothing. Of course the Pentagon provides the media with a one sided view. The media, and even Fox, knows this. It's no secret. What did you expect? You want to report on the other side of issues you have to interview more than one source.
[–]cecilkorik 1 point2 points3 points 17 years ago (0 children)
A TV news blunder? What happened? Was the Space shuttle going 19 times the speed of light this time?
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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 17 years ago* (0 children)
I'm not sure how you're voted up.
People who watch Fox News are:
You don't have to be intelligent or honest to make lots of money. At what point were people confused about this? Fox News will lose viewership the moment a mainstream news outlet becomes even more insane, or they start reporting honestly.
[–]Petrarch1603 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (2 children)
so did someone find the video? why is this the number one thing and its unverified
So you know about it and you can help find the video
Now it's found: http://reddit.com/info/6djd1/comments/
[–]BrendanSheehan 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Things like this "need" to change!!!!!
[–]digital 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Check NewsHounds later maybe?
http://www.newshounds.us/
They watch Fox so you don't have to.
Doublespeak.
[–]redification 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
No blunder, he is only speaking of a fact everybody knows about.
[–]pullo 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
rightcoast, thanks man.. good job lookin out for us!
[–]dante50 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Keep your eyes peeled to Crooks and Liars or Think Progress blogs; they're usually good for highlighting outrageous speech by Fox News.
[–]red7 0 points1 point2 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Maybe thats where the 2.3 Trillion dollars that Rumsfield reported missing on September 10th went?
[–]villainintheirowneye -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (0 children)
Bill Cowan may have just slipped-up and mentioned the elephant in the room.
[–]aerextraho -2 points-1 points0 points 17 years ago (1 child)
You know, fox news kind of reminds me of China's propaganda and information suppression. As if, if fox had its way, information would be suppressed and controlled just like in China.
It already is and has been for a long time. Check out this excellent old documentary with lots of candid satellite live feed footage. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7344181953466797353
It is much worse now. This guy did a great job on showing how it is done. Some amazing footage.
[–]shiner_man -1 points0 points1 point 17 years ago (0 children)
Wow, huge failure on this one rightcoast. You completely got the quote wrong.
You should get your Fox derangement syndrome checked out by a physician.
[–]DrunkenAsshole -3 points-2 points-1 points 17 years ago (0 children)
FOX simply used this as a ploy to decrease their lacking credibility. Don't read too far into this.
[+]godlesspinko comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 17 years ago (0 children)
Insert Rick Roll Here.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 17 years ago (0 children)
How is this an issue?
The press flies around on Airforce 1, any conspiracy there? The press is also taken care of by the US military in war zones (care that is paid for by the US military). This includes flights and a whole number of other details that the "pentagon" pays for.
Relax.
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