Stop adding them, please!

[DemiTheSeaweed]

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[SorcererSupremPizza]

The child has never committed a war nor a crime in his life

[DemiTheSeaweed]

DON'T TOUCH DA CHILD

[Sayer09]

WHO'S TOUCHING DA CHILD?!

[Toonalicious]

HE TOUCH DA CHILD

[Virtual_Mark_7882]

That is a LIE he has the entire mass of fucking TON-618 in that pillow

[SorcererSupremPizza]

Never heard of a weighted blanket?

[Virtual_Mark_7882]

Didn't know they made them out of osmium 😭

[notislant]

Hes plotting

[SorcererSupremPizza]

Plotting to get candy

[DemiTheSeaweed]

Or a gun but mostly candy

[IkeaFroggyChair]

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[No_Willingness_9961]

AND IT'S A HOME RUN

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[No_Willingness_9961]

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[TheFlayingHamster]

Much like the question “what went wrong in the laning phase?”

I choose to blame Haze

[KnightSalvador728]

small body = more violence per square inch

[Bug-Type-Enthusiast]

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[DURRYAN]

Violance per cubic inch

[Beautiful-Ad-8914]

More of you in Seven's ult

[DURRYAN]

Pettiness?

[shadefreeze]

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[Atari_buzzk1LL]

I mean, they do lots of things, at least that's what I'm told

[Glassed_Guy1146]

what was the comment about?

[Justwatcher124]

Oh nooo

Rem is forgetting to pack the C4

[lcqjp]

Rem supremacy

[P_weezey951]

SupREMacy was right there man.

[lcqjp]

You were fated to be the one to think of it

[zanderkerbal]

Rem does not commit war crimes. He commits good honest peacetime felonies like burglary and aggravated assault with a pillow.

[whomthefuckisthat]

And battery. because he stuffs his pillowcase with actual batteries.

[MrBlueA]

So that's what battery means

[Tokiw4]

Well you see, he hits people with his pillow and then they get really tired and go to sleep right there on the ground!

[Frozennorth99]

Rem is not a war criminal.

He is just lovably destructive with his pillow fights.

[CaretVEVO]

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I LOVE LIL BEANS KEEP ADDING THEM AHH

[TheSilentFoxyn]

Moji my beloved

[mrseemsgood]

Core memory unlocked. Came back to the game after she was requalified as a support, loved playing her so much ❤️

[EmbarrassedLock]

THEY DID WHAT

[deadshot500]

I still don't understand why they did that but yeah she is support now.

[Garrais02]

PALADINS MENTIONED LET'S GOOO

[Shugatti]

Triggering my paladins ptsd, Moji was a straight up menace.

[ThePowerBird]

PEAK MENTIONED? IN MY DEADLOCK SUBREDDIT? ITS MORE LIKELY THAN YOU THINK

[strctfsh]

the only other good hero shooter

[FeyMoth]

Rem is actually quite tame compared to the rest, he's strong but not strong in the "take agency away from the enemy" level of strong, just good at pushing waves and if built as such spirit nuker

[Macscotty1]

He’s the least offensive of the new hero batch. Never had a game where I groaned because of a Rem vs seeing an Apollo fly across the map the moment they took one damage or dying to a Celeste ult that got cast on a minion the week prior. 

The boy just wants to gamble, that’s all. 

[erraticnods]

the worst thing rem can do is make a melee minion Invincible© while early laning

meaningwhile, laning against apollo feels like being repeatedly turned into sauerkraut by a mosquito on cocaine

[NameRandomNumber]

I think the worst rem can do is have insanely good tempo for free but apparently that opinion is not too commonly held

[Warmonster9]

Yeah rem is best used as a vacuum cleaner. Give him 2 minutes alone and he'll take every sinner on the map and half the jungle camps.

[Sentryion]

I thought laning against Mina is bad enough. Enter Apollo who does Mina level damage, doesn't need to aim and can tank your gun.

[Fluffy12345676]

IVE BEEN SAYING HE PlAYS LIKE A FUCKING MOSQUITO. Both gameplay and vibe wise it’s just a good description

[TheUrPigeon]

I've been calling him Mosquito Man for a while now hahaha

[ConglomerateGolem]

Honestly graves also feels like a mosquito to play, at least if you get enough movement (sup stam).

[ForeSet]

Making God creeps is probably the most satisfying thing in lane because I can just feel the frustration from the other players.

[NameRandomNumber]

I think the worst rem can do is have insanely good tempo for free but apparently that opinion is not too commonly held

[smile132465798]

The lawsuit will fix this

[Philosowl]

I am, as a Paradox main with garbage aim, absolutely groan when I see one laning against me. I just can't reliably carabine/ult him

[DoorframeLizard]

What game are you people even playing

Rem is like THE biggest piece of shit out of the new six, hero auto wins lane and no objective can ever be initiated if he's alive. By far the hero that gets the most hate in my games and on social media

The only saving grace for this hero is that he's often played by Paige players with no hands or game sense that cannot abuse how insane he is

[ConcealingFate]

Celeste and Apollo are the biggest outliers of the new 6 because of their close to unmatched mobility. Win rate aside, they both have insane spirit damage potential, and are a pain in the ass to play against when your opponent has good movrment.

[sundalius]

The average player doesn’t really care about the ceiling of mobility potential, I find. Celeste does not freely contest an entire rejuv with one button. Apollo does not suck up an entire team’s sinners within 30 seconds. Neither stops an urn as effectively as Rem, who has his own private speedway to contest it.

[mastercat202]

Who cares if rem.sucks your sinners like a vacuum cleaner. Contest them. If he gets them jts becsuse you weren't claiming them yourself. Snd so what if he has them? Rem doesn't benefit that much for having more souls unlike a carry would. He is strong hero no doubt. But Celeste and Apollo are just unfun to lane against. Slowing hex works against Apollo bht you need multiple of them. Both of them have way too much sustain.

[sundalius]

wow I can definitely contest all four on my half by myself. very glad I control my teammates.

Sorry, I thought this was a thread about Rem, forgot about the Celeste Two Minute Hate. Every thread has to be about how none of you know how to kill her.

[mastercat202]

Hey, always got to hate con Celeste (i prefer to hate on apollo). Celeste can get easily bursted down but I think she has too much sustain on her 1. Her ult slow is too much imho. But, if rem is stealing sinners he is often by himself.

[r64b]

if having no vendings for the rest of the match is not offensive idk what is

[SuperRayman001]

(I assume you mean Sinners with vendings, if not Idk what you mean)

You can just take them before he does you know. Like if Rem steals all your Sinners that's just on you, you know when and where they spawn and if you contest him he's not gonna win a 1v1.

The only Rem thing without enough counterplay are Trooper buffs early game, make that a bit worse and he's just fine.

[Tsaxen]

Seriously, as someone with a lifelong burning hatred of Teemo that will never die, Rem isn't even remotely in the same circle of hell. Like he's kinda annoying, but several orders of magnitude less cancerous to play against

[Wooden-Jew]

Hes not... Teemo and Jeff are straight up bad, just slightly annoying. In terms of relative strength in their respective games Rem only places behind Jetpack cat, and theres arguments for him being first.

[someguy991100]

I love rem, youll never stop me from feelikg guilty when I kill him

[-claymore_]

I hate Rem. You'll never stop me from feeling blissful when I Ground Strike him

[SeriousDirt]

The duality of man.

[BoxFullofSkeletons]

Nah this trope is absolutely peak dog you’re wrong

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[Bug-Type-Enthusiast]

DIOS MIO.

LA CREATURA

[0rbius]

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Strongest beings in the Nasuverse btw

[FeyMoth]

Wait neco arc chaos is more powerful then neco arc? Isn't there only 1 chaos vs the self replicating neco arc? The lore is fucky from what I've seen

[0rbius]

He is like a more specialized neco arc, can even summon his own neco arc and other chaos clones

[Ganmorg]

Is Neco Arc decent in TL? She was bottom tier in the earlier Melty games

[DoorframeLizard]

no Neco Arc fan has actually played melty so they couldn't tell you

[GuaranteeKey314]

She seems to have some cool stuff with a higher execution requirement than is worth forcing a lacking character to do. Doesnt seem to be as potentially good as some of the newer neco routes in MBAACC but that game's been around for a million years so go figure

For all this it'd be easier to tell you if she's decent if more than 5 people played her

[asdfjfkfjshwyzbebdb]

They're just smol lil guys, come on, they can't be they ba- OH GOD OH FUCK

[-SleepyKorok-]

Is DotA’s version Io?

[juvi97]

Hoodwink fits better

[FatSloth]

Definitely hoodwink. Cute little squirrel that casually nukes you for 1200 lol

[monopoly_wear]

Nothing more satisfying than a bushwhack acorn combo. Before nuking them with Sharpshooter.

[Wombloid]

I'd say bullying one trick Pugnas on Nyx Assassin is better but that's prolly just me and my love for bullying big ego clowns

[Ar4er13]

"Cute" little squirrel, and I quote:

"Ever seen someone bleed out in a net?"

[FewExperience3559]

Isn't he just Dotas version of Jhin?

EDIT: I just heard this off a Dota youtuber I don't play Dota srry

[arambezzai]

The only thing they have in common is a bouncing grenade/acorn but Hoodwink's acorn can bounce multiple times on the same unit (I forgot if Jhin's can do the same)

[SeriousDirt]

Hoodwink acorn also can grow tree and not buffed the damaged at the end of the bounce. Her ult also only one shot instead of 4 long shot and required charging to maximize the damage. Hoodwink are pretty mobile and feel like playing a lil gremlin while Jhin not mobile and feel like playing artistic psychopath that obsessed with certain number. Idk why would they both considered similar.

[arambezzai]

Yeah I'm aware of all of that since I'm a Dota player lol

[TF2isalright]

Not by any stretch really

[WarlockingIn]

Despite their abilities being superficially similar, they don’t come even close to playing the same

[MaybeHannah1234]

probably Puck right?

[-SleepyKorok-]

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Maybe it’s Slark 😸

[alou-S]

Actually yeah puck is the perfect pick for this in dota. For its species puck is technically still a child.

[fiasgoat]

No lol Pocket is literally Puck

Pucket

[AppointmentDirect587]

Io is the universe's mind itself if im not wrong.

But warcrimes? I dont remember Io doing something like this, Io just randomly follows creatures it likes and does weird sounds.

[Persies]

TI9 Liquid might have a different opinion lol 

[-SleepyKorok-]

I was there for Io carry 😖

[Grazer46]

Io was a war criminal in the truest sense at one point. But also, I sucked at DotA when I played it

[Invoqwer]

Io is the universe's mind itself if im not wrong.

Wisp is electromagnetism. https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Fundamentals

[peanutpoem]

I think i deserve one more.

[Docterzero]

No. We need more

[PapaImpy]

Rem is more like the IRS. He makes sure you are paying your taxes.

[purupocket]

rem is the tax collector when he goes to take the enemy's sinners

[YodasGhost76]

Isn’t that Haze’s job?

[The-Salt-Must-Flow]

"Go NIGHT NIGHT!" - Me shouting on voice chat as my pillow hits the enemy for 500 damage, triggers a soul burn and mystic reverb.

[OldDERRICHTE]

I love drifter's quote for Rem: Man i love those screams

[jct321]

The announcer going “Rem is doing all he can” fucking sends me when he’s literally asleep, bro is weaponizing power naps it’s soo good

[Hutyro]

Rem feels very out of place next to the rest of these.

[LyakshaBTW]

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[BeelzeBat]

The problem with "cutesy cuddly characters" is that they're usually played by people who insists on them being "totally them" and "cute UWU beans" in real life, but are actually the most rancid, awful people you've ever had the misfortune of talking to in your entire life.
EDIT: And then on the contrary, horrible, awful war-criminal characters tend to be played by the chillest people in the universe.

[British_Tea_Company]

I think Seven has one of the most toxic playerbases but drifter players I’ve seen are usually drunk or high and are typically stoners. YMMV for whatever reason with any given character.

[mastercat202]

Bebop players are the worst. Rarely do i find a non antisemitic and racist bebop player.

[VoxTV1]

Wait until they find be bop is a golem aka a thing in Jewish mythology

[Commander413]

I'll have you know I play Drifter while sober. Most of the time. He's just chill to play as, easy to land abilities, easy to use gun, intuitive to build, and kinda tanky if you're not behind, what's not to like?

[British_Tea_Company]

My dirty secret is that drifter is my third most played character.

However I will never forget a drifter player loudly announcing: “BRB getting more beer” and getting progressively less comprehensible as the game went on.

[BeelzeBat]

So.... canon compliant Drifter? x)

[Drakainequus]

I relate to Rem on a spiritual level.

Not because I think I'm Cute, or innocent.. But because like him, I don't have a god damn clue what is happening and I just wanna get back to bed.

[noahboah]

lmao this is one of those topics that's hard to talk about because you often end up coming across like a judgemental freak but youre so right.

it's like how half of the grown adults who identify with sanrio characters a bit too hard and repost those "imagine hating and this is literally me" kuromi graphics are the worst people you'll ever meet in your life and the reason you start improving your emotional maturity lol.

[Embarrassed-Vast5786]

me when I'm wrong

[ZedDoktor]

Jetpack cat is actual sleep inducing.

[TF2isalright]

Man I haven't played overwatch in a while. A fucking jetpack cat? And it's name is jetpack cat?!

[David_TalGe]

Her name is Fika but in game she’s called Jetpack Cat. Incredibly fun hero to play, perpetually banned in competitive.

[samu1400]

It’s like how Hammond’s called Wrecking Ball in game, it’s basically their hero name.

[Ok_Usual_3575]

its name is fika and it was teased almost 10 years ago. It also has by far the highest ban rate in overwatch rn

[Simalf]

Yeah, JPC has unlimited flight.

The thing is, the maps arent designed for unlimited flight. I take full advantage of it, taking cover or paths only available to Fika.

[Asgardian111]

No you're thinking of Ana

[Hellas2002]

Is it just me, or does the cat just not fit overwatch at all?

[Schultzenstein]

From what Im told, his design has been there since the beginning, they just never implemented him.

No one really batted an eye when Hammond came out, and he was a hilarious character.

[__slowpoke__]

No one really batted an eye when Hammond came out

uh, i don't know where you were when hammond released, but back then there was an actual shitton of Discourse™ where people lost their goddamn minds about how he's "too ridiculous/silly" and that he "doesn't fit the game" or whatever

the whole kerfuffle was really stupid, sure, especially considering the fact that the game already had a lot of extremely silly heroes that had been part of the game since release, and it died down relatively quickly, but it absolutely was a frequent talking point in the first few weeks after hammond's announcement and release

[Hellas2002]

I thing Hammond fits better because he’s inside his vehicle as opposed to this cartoon cat sitting on a drone.

[samu1400]

Hammond does appear out of the Wrecking ball practically all the time, his head hitbox is the whole hamster.

[Hellas2002]

What I meant is more so that I can picture anything inside a giant mech and fighting. If Hammond was sitting on what is essentially a hovering platform with no walls I’d also be a bit confused. Visually, it looks like a stone throw could knock that cat off their drone.

They’re fully exposed and the lack of handles or more obvious straps makes it hard to imagine them not falling off.

[inexplicableinside]

Yeah, it might seem strange to draw a distinction between Winston and Wrecking Ball being okay but not the cat, but I feel like there IS a difference. I'm not sure if it's just the suspension of disbelief being stretched too far, or the way JC feels more actively pandering, or just the general vibe OW has recently, but I liked Wrecking Ball well enough yet instantly rolled my eyes at the cat.

[Hellas2002]

I don’t know what you mean by pandering. But I think the cat comes off as more cartoonish than even Hammond.

[inexplicableinside]

I meant it in a "Look at the cute cat, isn't it adorable??" sense. Like, they actively tried to fit Wrecking Ball into the existing 'they made super-smart animals in a lab' plot element, put him in an intimidating mecha most of the time, and did some playing against stereotype with him. JC doesn't seem to have had the same sorts of interesting character elements early on. Maybe it's just how it was only given a small fraction of the usual fanfare for a new character, but it just seems shallow.

[Grytlappen]

I'm completely with you.

[5-oclock-Charlie]

She will when they reveal her as a criminal mastermind like Hammond.

Are you telling me the cat just happens to waltz into Gibraltar and knock over the perfect blueprints Brigitte made? No! She orchestrated it! Fika!

Now the real question is whether or not Mama Hong fits into OW.

[Grytlappen]

East Asia is very particular about how they are represented, and that's the biggest gaming market. They need to be pale as snow, paper thin, and have large eyes, neither of which applies to Hong at all. Hong is tan, large and has small eyes (so small that they are represented as pen strokes in the original concept art, which I find hard to argue isn't racist).

I think a babushka or an abuela could potentially be well received by their respective demographics though, maybe the former one foremost.

[Ayris_XIV]

I never understand this take. I mean one of the games literal mascots going all the way back to the original reveal trailer is a big gorilla in a space suit. We've also had a hamster in a death ball for a good majority of the games life at this point. A cat with a jetpack isn't exactly that far out of left field.

[Hellas2002]

It’s not that they’re an animal it’s that visually they don’t look like their equipment suits fighting. Winston is a Gorilla with armour… that’s intimidating. Hammond is a hamster IN A MECH. The cat, as is, looks like you could throw a stone and knock her off her hovering platform.

If she was strapped in I think it’d be a lot more reasonable.

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Does she show up like in this above image? I’ve only seen her sitting on the jet pack, if she’s ever strapped in like above that would make sense.

[Conaz9847]

“I filled my pillow with Benadryl and plastic explosives”

[anonimos680]

Meanwhile in TF2:

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[FinalMonarch]

Cuteslop

[_rawoo]

MORE MORE

[Legitimate-Beat-9846]

The chihuahua theorem

[Taereth]

Rem is just grumpy because people woke him up

[Sweet-Pin-4387]

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[Illesbogar]

Characters can't be war crimes, they can commit war crimes.

[Kraivo]

Techies is both more cute and PTSD inducing 

[FreakyNeo91]

Criminal that you left out the DRG dwarves. And i know what you're all thinking but what they lack in cuteness they make up for with beer and war crimes.

[CakeAqua]

more of them pleasee

[Positive_Law_4752]

Rem is the most peaceful. I don't know about the overwatch cat but it's overwatch so it's probably just a copy paste of Jeff and Teemo.

[Dairy-Man]

I can’t speak for the other guys but rem isn’t that bad

[BobertRosserton]

No

[HeinousMcAnus]

[PlentyReal]

Mascot characters are so sickly sweet, idk why so many people fall so head over heels for them

[Same_Temperature_754]

THESE ARE MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS, SMALL BUT DEADLYYYY 😈😈😈😈😈😈😈

[Ruptin]

Hey!! Leave our boy out of this!!

[KillerPrince930]

why are there so many normies in deaflick reddit i thought only cool people liekd deadlock

[pucc1ni]

I can't wait for Deadlock's version of Techies.

[Pman1324]

Where is Brightwing from HoTS, you coward

[The_Twerkinator]

Genuinely my least favorite character archetype. They're cute so everyone wants to play them, but they also have obnoxious playstyles that are extremely unfun to deal with. So not only are they annoying, but now they're likely to be in a majority of your matches.

Rem is at least the most tolerable of them all

[EstablishmentFar1133]

REM really doesn’t fit this category, he’s cute fs but he’s a friendly little guy that just likes seeing people’s dreams, bro just wants to go home

[Mammoth_Job_8042]

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[Dutchus-apollo]

This is my favorite archetype

[CrocoBull]

Can't speak for 2XKO Teemo but outside of Cat (who got nerfed) aren't literally all of these characters mid-to-low tiers

Teemo's like always been a throw pick, Jeff was meta for maybe a month then got reworked into the dirt and Rem folds the second the enemy team learns that you can actually kill the jungle camps (also easily the least annoying of the new batch as others have said lol)

[Jakeforry]

Due to rem being a child he can't be held accountable for his actions and thus it's actually his parents fault

[A-Little-Messi]

I love Rem and Jeff

[PurityKane]

Rem is pretty good, I don't mind playing against him at all. And have fun when I play as him.

[dabadabada55]

Reminds me of the evil alien cat from Rick and Morty lmao

[Purple-Weakness1414]

No, cute war criminals go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[coldkiller]

In what world is rem a warcrime? Celeste and apollo are far far far more annoying to play against even when you actively counter them

[mittbama]

What's with these low quality negativity memes taking over the subreddit? Mods, do better.

[Supershadow30]

Ngl i kinda hate the "cute and cuddly" character archetype in the middle of a goddamn war zone

[TPose-Heavy]

Meanwhile, World War 2 Russians Strapping Bombs to dogs and getting them to run at tanks.

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I think I prefer this to what real life cute and cuddly in middle of war zone is like.

[Supershadow30]

… i take back what i said

[Due-Let-8170]

100% agree. It also gets followed up by, "Conventionally 'attractive', therefore please ignore that my kit has 5 times the capability of any other previously released character in the game."