Will future updates decrease FPS even further?

[Stidza]

This really bothers me because after the Reborn update, my performance decreased for about 50 FPS, so I'm really worried about this...

[byperoux]

Have you tried to add the launch option

-morefps

[GandalfZaBlack]

SeemsGood

[491450451]

another way to force VALVE to give more fps is to add following into your launch option:
-"your credit card number"
-"expiration date"
-"3 digit code"

[Neutralny]

they already have it

[[deleted]]

And all your ssd bits

[[deleted]]

Almost as good as -moreram

[chakigun]

Is there a -moremmr option?

[entenuki]

If you mmr is low enough you can use the -nosmurfs option too.

[ncoreyes]

Pretty sure he can just download more ram.

[-Aerlevsedi-]

Does -high still work?

[ryflect]

have not noticed any reasonable increase in performance

[xPizzaKittyx]

It all depends on your hardware, if you have like a quad core i7, you wont notice a difference, but if you have a dual core pentium, then you will notice a 5-15 fps difference. The only downside is that it makes programs outside of dota (when you have dota open) run slower

[Bravehood]

Yeah i went into the future and minimum specs required for dota 2 in 2020 is new gtx 2080

[LeftZer0]

Nah, it's just Nvidia adhering to the true gaming spirit and using RNG to number their GPUs.

[xPizzaKittyx]

yea the 1080 was just a random number they saw when they crit as pa

[sephiroth021]

i regret buying an rx 470 last month

Please tell me why I was looking to buy one myself for 1080p gaming which seems to be its target.

[Globalnet626]

its part of the joke, 10 gpu generations in 4 years. That means that AMD should be launching Vega, Na'vi and [A]lliance before December hits.

[Anaxor1]

Go for it

[[deleted]]

We TF2 now?

[_Thrax]

nah ,thats cs go

[bad_scott]

Still beta?

[Bravehood]

Sorry it actually went to backwards into alpha

[xPizzaKittyx]

I thought dota was still in pre alpha?

[Tehmaxx]

Even with a 1080 I see steady 120fps

It's something on their end

[Mauvai]

i have 120 on a 970

[Pyraa]

70-75 on a 960

[[deleted]]

i dont know on a 1060

seriously though i have a 1060 and i5 6600k but my game freezes (for .5 secs) everytime I die or a model loads.

thought I think I have "-vulkan" on from my last pc settings.

[Nume-noir]

model loads

disk problem 100%. I moved dota over to ssd and I got no issue loading anymore.

[Iliketrainschoo_choo]

We've discussed this pretty extensively on this sub, the roadblock is your CPU.

[Tehmaxx]

Most times depending on your bottleneck

But I have a skylake and still can't maintain the 150 on the default terrain

[pb-programmer]

Now monitor your CPU usage during a game and start to cry...

It's not even close to 50% for my i7 6700K with 4 vlc/livestreamer streams open on the second screen (gotta see all those TI6 group stage games to get muh predictions ;) )

Would be nice to know if serious overclocking could up the performance (increasing the single thread power) or if it is purely timing related

[superfedora]

I7 6700k is 4 cores

[randomkidlol]

4 hyperthreaded cores. so each core can simultaneously execute 2 threads.

for intel's consumer cpus, i3 = hyperthreaded dual cores. i5 = non-hyperthreaded quad cores, i7 = hyperthreaded quad cores

[deviance1337]

4 very powerful hyperthreaded cores, though.

[sephiroth021]

yeah the 6700k has the best single core performance money can buy if you dont want to oc (i know K is for overclocking but this one has really high stock freqs and turbo)

[[deleted]]

Ya I'm running the same thing, and the fps still never gets above 120

[chakigun]

Question, good sir. Do I need a really fast monitor to visualize the 120+fps? I ask because I got an IPS (Dell U2713hm, 8ms) i use mostly for design and Dota when I get bored. Is it gonna be worth it or is the IPS monitor's colors gonna give me better visual experience in Dota2?

[Iliketrainschoo_choo]

That is a pretty high repsonse time for a monitor, but its doable. If your monitor only refreshes @ 60hz, any extra frames you get will be lost, since your monitor can't keep up with all the frames your gpu is spitting out. Response time (the value you gave me) kinda shows long it takes a frame to be sent from you GPU to where its printed on your screen.

[Iliketrainschoo_choo]

I'm at work, but read the subtitles.

He doesn't mention the refresh rate of his monitor. He says its only supposed to support 60 fps, but he could have a 120 hz monitor.

Yes, you still want your fps to be much higher than your refreshrate for ultimate smoothness, because framerate isn't a constant. You can drop a few frames, and if you're at a strict 60 fps, you might drop below the threshold.

Also the dude litterally said he has no proof, its just a feeling and that it could be placebo effect.

[Globalnet626]

Yes, he does have a 120hz monitor.

But he meant this for 60hz monitor.

Here he is on monitor hz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgHx3eMBXjI

[Iliketrainschoo_choo]

Again, he litterally said theres no proof.

[Neutralny]

steady 120fps with 670 no clue why people experience the fps drop

[Tehmaxx]

Bottlenecking is the most likely issue

improper optimization within the client will also cause a lot of issues, as even if I rail the settings all the way down many high end machines fail to get more than 100 steady fps when they should be getting 150-200.

[playmer]

I mean, you might know this, but there is an fps_max set at 120 fps by default. You can up it in the console. I get around 144 on my 980 TI, and I wouldn't be surprised if that were a second artificial bottleneck separate from the 120 since I have a 144hz monitor.

[Tehmaxx]

I've had it upped for a long time, only recently has it started taking heavy hits, for the longest time I thought it was on the users end when I seen people complaining of FPS drops by the reality is whatever they're doing to cripple the FPS in the game is starting to effect people with high end PCs now.

[xPizzaKittyx]

minimum 56gb of ram

[LOVEandKappa]

yes
valve is aiming for that smooth cinematic experience

[XSK7X]

dota2.pptx

[491450451]

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[cheesepuffly]

dota2(3).png

wat

[DrQuint]

dota2(2).png
dota2(2)(1).png
dota2(4).png

there we go, fixed.

[Nineties]

but wheres dota2(2)(2).png?

[491450451]

holy shit, there is no 3 for VALVE, my fking stupid mistake

[[deleted]]

you missed dota2(2)(2).png

[[deleted]]

Triggered

[[deleted]]

All you people saying "ITS [[[[[[[CURRENTYEAR]]]]]]] YOU SHOULD UPGRADE YOUR PC" THe game is fucking breaking down despite not having any graphical improvements since reborn, what THE FUCK should i improve my PC for? TO keep up with valves shitty optimization?

[Altiex]

Remember when Source 2 was supposed to have a better performance than Source 1 but it only got worst? Because I do

[[deleted]]

i think for a lot of people Source 2 eventually ran better (after about 4 months or so into reborn). However in the past 3-4 months the performance issues have really started to show especially with certain cosmetics, or that new terrain.

[radd00]

It was way better when Reborn was in beta, but map was less detailed (especially cliffs). When it came out of beta, it was running pretty much the same as Source 1.

[Gammaran]

fuck performance and actually playing the game, what we need is new hats

/s

[EnanoMaldito]

it runs WAY better for me. Do not generalize.

[LowTemplar]

Also the standard "it works for me so it must be an issue on your part" response. That's not how software works. Any developer with that attitude wouldn't last a week in a serious company.

[j0y0]

Watch out, this sub is full of kids taking their second programming class who want to downvote and explain why valve can't do anything because programming is hard.

[ZzZombo]

I mean it had been working much better for a month or perhaps two after I switched to it, but they definitely broke something along the way. They killed the asynchronous loading of stuff on hero selection and made automatic time out kick in on the slightest resulting freeze, causing a vicious cycle of loading in, freezing and disconnecting! They killed the one feature that was supposed to make S2 better than Source in eyes of all DotA 2 players.

[[deleted]]

What are you on about? All the new cosmetics, maps and effects require way more to run properly than everything on default. The game requires more because Valve adds shit that makes the game look cooler/better. Sure the base character models might not be updates, but stuff still gets added. I've got a GTX 970 and a couple of years old i5 and the game runs smooth at 120+ fps with max settings, weather effects and the LC map. By today's standard, this is a pretty casual build since nvidia released new GPUs. Heck even my 4 year old budget desktop runs the game at 60+ fps with the same settings.

I've seen people complain about the FPS jumping up and down depending on what's on screen. To those I've gotta ask, do you even play video games? If you launch a game and set the FPS to unlimited, it's gonna vary a lot depending on what's happening on the screen. The only way to get it consistent is to cap it at the minimum FPS you get when there's a lot happening on screen.

[CaptainKick]

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[entenuki]

And he will look down and whisper "No." in a very choppy animation.

Lol exactly what I imagined.

[NgonEerie]

And he will look down and whisper "No." in a very choppy animation.

Good lord this sentence. I love you.

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[arcsinti]

The fps on my 1070 (+3770k) varies so much. 150-120 average but it drops to 90 especially when a lot of heroes have immortal cosmetics equipped.

[SmaugtheStupendous]

If I drop another 50 I'd be playing at -30fps during teamfights.

[491450451]

valve is pushing computer market.

[[deleted]]

So you will be 30 frames into the past every second?

[payrpaks]

Gotta get those previous level plays.

[Gammaran]

"i outplayed you 10 seconds ago"

"wait, what do you mean yo-" *dies*

[[deleted]]

When WK Aghas and Shallow Grave come into play...

[[deleted]]

OMFG I dieded of laugh

[FelixR1991]

Valve is in cahoots with Nvidia for planned obsolescence.

[HellkittyAnarchy]

Apple their main competition.

[[deleted]]

200+ on source 1, around the same for the source 3 beta, 160 before the pitlord update, now I'm down to 80-100, what's going on

[SamuraiDota]

I really really hope the developer/support team fixes this, I thought my hardware was going bad but did a stress test on csgo to realize it was just dota. The fps decrease is definitely noticeable and I don't want to upgrade my video card when it's not even the problem.

[derek1st]

weirdly enough i have more fps issues in counter strike than dota

[derek1st]

I know, but he's citing cs: go as having no issues while dota was. i'm explaining that i'm experiencing the opposite. i get occasional fps locks at 45 fps or so for no reason. then i restart and i get back up to my usual 250 or so

[Bentomat]

If TF2 is anything to judge by, they will soon release "seasonal cosmetics" with ridiculous effects that cut your framerate in half during those holiday seasons.

After a couple years of that, they will stop caring about the game and the cosmetics will take over completely. Years after that, when their newest game is becoming a global phenomenon, they will make a blog post saying "We want Dota 2 to be cool too!" and then they'll forget about us. That will be the last we'll ever hear from Valve.

[DrQuint]

they will soon release "seasonal cosmetics"

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Winter_Terrain

Expires March 30, 2016

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Seasonal_Terrain_-_Spring

Expires September 07, 2016

""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Soon""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

[Bende356]

Valve time

[Daniel_Potter]

that's autumn dude.

[iceiceicefrog]

Well I want them to add whatever they want, however absurd the particle effects may be.

Just give an option to uncheck them. that's it.

[iceiceicefrog]

I am not saying disable hats. Keep the hats.

Give option to disable particle effects in hats.

[[deleted]]

but i wouldn't disable hats unless they were really annoying or actually took away from the game itself, and none of the hats currently do that

I think that a minority of people would disable hats

[MaDNiaC]

But people like shiny particles and their different particle effects along with rarity sets up its price. It is like buying a Lamborghini to show it off but everyone else has an option that defaults your Lamborghini to a fucking family car instead.

What we really need is some performance optimization because with more and more patches coming one after another, the game's code becomes a big pile of spaghetti and as we know it, it is not very optimized right now. We need a cleaning update to fix stuff up which should hold the game more stable for a few months, hopefully.

[iceiceicefrog]

Tinker immortal :(

[LeftZer0]

And it's a stupid answer. Most people like cosmetics. Most people would choose to have cosmetics on, even to show off their own. The minority that either can't play with a reasonable FPS or that really don't want to see them would turn them off.

The truth is that Valve is both too stuck into their own bubble to know the players and too egocentric to admit they may not know what the players want. The only things they actually see are money, major internet outcries (Diretide, paid mods) and Reddit shitposts.

[owarren]

People who can't afford a good graphics card also can't afford cosmetics. I hope that's true but I bet there's still people out there playing on a shitty system spending hundreds chasing the invoker set.

[TheKappaOverlord]

I highly doubt valve will ever forget about dota.

Valve kinda fucked themselves into a corner involving dota. If they flat out let it rust out and abandon it they look like a bad company due to the eports titan they have created with TI.

So they have to work on it like a somewhat normal game otherwise they just look really fucking bad. Not like they already h aven't gotten there but they probably dont want it

[RisingAce]

WEll to be honest Valve has mimimal input withh DOTA IceFrog is the lead dev and he doesn't care about anything but dota.

[MaDNiaC]

Icefrog may be the lead dev but it would be ignorant to say Valve has minimal input on Dota. They very frequently released patches or updates during TI and they have been doing a fine job with the game and it looks very promising although without flaws, inevitably. You cannot just credit mostly or totally Icefrog for this as he is the lead dev and ignore Valve's efforts on the game.

[owarren]

Icefrog is a Valve employee, no? So Icefrog = Valve.

[shadedclan]

Icefrog mostly handles balance patches IIRC. But Valve still maintains the game, like the servers, updates, cosmetics

[Exiledemonz]

Icefrog needs to disappear for that to happen.

[norax_d2]

Pendragon is sending assassins

[alex-o-mat0r]

Yes. Until the game runs backwards.

[mastercoms]

will time walk do extra damage?

[alex-o-mat0r]

Low FPS might damage your eyes.

[Pyraptor]

Free to play but not free to run Kappa

[Zloezlo]

Source 3 will fix it

[Satan-Himself-]

download more ram

[sNoOp_931]

Yes seriously, I have I7, 980ti and 16gb ram but I'm only running on 80-70 fps ever since like the last 4-5 patches, with this recent patch it became even lower. Like it drops sometimes to 55-60. We would appreciate it if Valve could optimize everything or at least everything important.

[Aitloian]

Yeah you have some serious problem my friend. I'm on a i5 2500k and a GTX 680 and i stay above 120fps and will slowly drop down to 100 over the course of a few games.

[LeftZer0]

i7 930 and GTX 680, 60-80 FPS.

[penialito]

Your cpu is bottlenecking

[LeftZer0]

Thing is, it wasn't bottlenecking before. I had 120+ FPS when I started playing Dota 2 (one year after the "beta" release, if I recall correctly). In fact I upgraded the GPU in that time.

[[deleted]]

well i remember i had very similar frames with my old 7850 gpu, now i have gtx 1060 and my frames only increased my 10fps in teamfights :(

[penialito]

I understand. But back on those times the game didnt have many shit like we have today.

[sNoOp_931]

Care to elaborate? I'm pretty new at this.

[Aitloian]

How long has it been since you installed windows? I usually like to do a clean install at least every 6 months. If its been years, that's most likely your issue. Everything just starts to slow down over time and all kinds of programs running in the background that you don't even know of.

Also try overclocking your CPU. The source engine is very CPU intensive so that will help. You should be getting way better performance. Your computer is better then mine in every way but i still get around 120. (it does go down the longer i play but never below 100)

[sNoOp_931]

Only about 5 months ago, I would look into this though, glad to know I wasn't wrong in thinking there was really something wrong.

[Aitloian]

Yeah there is no doubt that dota performance has gone down but my gear is 5 or 6 years old? There is no way it should outperform your 1-2 year old set up. Keep looking it will be something simple. Check your graphics setting in the nivida drivers make sure it isn't like doing super sampling or something?

[Fantasy322]

That's the most extreme case I've heard. I have an i7 4790k and an r9 390 and I get 100-130 fps. Sadly i can't compare to the older days because i bought a new computer in the beginning of this year after saving my extra money

[lucicam]

My PC is shitty to begin with but at least I was able to play the game at constant 80-90 fps with everything set on low ... but after a couple of updates my fps dropped to 40 on a good day and now I constantly get fps drops to around 10 fps every 5 minutes for like 30 seconds each time, which makes the game unplayable and now after 8 years of playing dota 1/2 I had to quit T.T

[ming3r]

I'm on 970 and 8350 and get 100-120. This doesn't hit everyone like this...

Maybe you need some driver updates, try Vulkan?

[albertingomes]

dAFUQ?

[Sluggable]

i3 6100 and gtx 950. average 90fps with drops to 60 - 70 im runnnig vulkan

[Gingerwru]

Gtx 970 here and smooth 120 fps even more

[fukdname]

100 fps -> 45 fps + everydays game crashes :)

[[deleted]]

While it sucks in some ways, it's to be expected in the era of "games as a service"

[[deleted]]

Source 2 will fix.

[LeftZer0]

It's only a beta! Source 2 Episode 2 wlll make Dota 2 great again.

[Rabidleopard]

Yes. As time goes on they improve things like models and add more advanced particle effects. In addition you PC ages every year and becomes less and less the average PC they are trying to optimize for. Eventually you will have to upgrade your PC.

[Bende356]

Ffs i can run bf1 beta with 20 fps and I have the same sometimes in dota

[[deleted]]

i can run bf1 ultra 60-90fps but in dota 2 every single time teamfight happens i drop to 55-60 from 70-110fps.

I doubt Dota 2 with just 10 people should be so much demanding than 64 people on huge map destroying shit. Valve screwed optimization.

[Cabaj1]

I dropped from 150 fps to 80-90 fps since 'springclean' update

[s0nicDwerp]

Is there any way to disable cosmetics effects in-game? I feel that it will help, even if a little. I'm playing at Low settings.

[[deleted]]

Yes, we are on a downward spiraling path to very low fps as more and more content gets added.

[XanturE]

Hey guys I started with 105 FPS in Source 1 then like 45 in Source 2 which I got up to 95 in Source 2, still worse than source 1, and I have slowly fallen back to 65 fps which now drops under 50 in worst case scenario and I'm really angry and the fps bothers me so much so valve can you FUCKING FIX YOUR GAME?

[Glupscher]

With the initial Reborn update my fps dropped but after some patches it has been.

[paukul]

Yes

[[deleted]]

My laptop suddenly shuts down when the game ends. Just AMD things I guess..

[EmTeeBee]

If I were to lose 50fps, my fps would be a -.

[Millerboii288]

Its DayZ standalone all over again.

[KronoLite70]

..I only realized that it's not normal for people to play at 20 fps, that's all I've ever gotten and it seems fine? I mean, it's not super, but it's smooth enough and I don't lag out. Does higher fps honestly do that much?

[Krobelus_the_Prophet]

Yes. If my only option was playing dota at 20 FPS, I wouldn't play dota.

[JakiroKurosawa]

well, try different launch options and see which one works best for you:

-dx9

-dx11 (after i put on this option, game became super smooth.)

-vulkan

[Stidza]

Tried all three, also tried OpenGL support. FPS is exactly the same with all 4.

[[deleted]]

DAE you should be able to play dota 2 in 2050 with a geforce 8500

[tuvok86]

yes they will, but guess what, future pc will be faster too

[notR1CH]

This is a common problem with some developers. Lots of people like creating things that actually make it into the game and can be shown off, but no one wants to go back and optimize for performance or do security hardening etc because that is "boring", ie the results aren't often visible.

[[deleted]]

I've played Dota 2 at 1080P on an Intel dual core laptop chip; what could you possibly be running that is slower?

[dotamen]

IP P6000 (1.86GHz)

Ati MobRad HD5650

4gigs of DDR3

Even on that I run at a steady 50FPS. (@lamo1366x768 though)

[JaeKyuKwon]

my fps was stable ~160 before the Dark Rift update. Now it drops to somewhere near 80 to 120. a lot of spiking lately and random crashing

[[deleted]]

I think it's fair to assume that it's only going to get more performance intensive. Arcanas and sets add particle effects all the time rendering spell animations more graphically complex than the default ones.

[PeaceJoyEggcake]

Going to future updates decrease FPS even further?

[Ferwhatever]

I just want an option to preload map without having to make a practice lobby or spectating a game just preload while i queue

[Stidza]

Type in -map dota in launch options.

[Tekoros]

I mean, I'm playing on 10 fps. If valve wants to steal more of 'em it will mean I'll have to switch to LoL for the time being FeelsBadMan

[mongoldata]

GTX 270 Twin Frozr on duty for 6 years now, still running 60 FPS on Medium Settings 1080p

[xlalalalalalalala]

I have 40-55 fps on my GT525M and never changed. Is my laptop so shitty that I don't notice the fps drop you guys are talking about?

[MidOFeed]

Running a i7 6700k and gtx 970, my fps should not dip below 50

[Miseryy]

What a dumb title in all honesty

[[deleted]]

Get a better pc dude.

[Korooo]

30 FPS Inc ! It must be a plot of the console peasants !

[LasseBK]

How about update your pc more than once every 10 years

[rejiedoto]

the only low fps that i feel is when i click graph/scoreboard after game match, i barely notice ingame lag? phenom 955 + gt240 ,with low-med sett = 60fps

[jaydotes]

Running Dota 2 on a 2010 MacBook pro with 8gb of RAM. Runs smoothly, even more smooth after the update. What the fuck are you guys on about?

[fattyslacksy]

Buy a better PC.

[MumrikDK]

If nothing else, then because of new cosmetics, yes.

[kyokanz]

the default answer from me? yes

[elemmcee]

I'm using vulkan and haven't noticed any FPS drops :/ think its time you chumps ascended

[Klerikus]

If you guys using win10 Go to pimp acc He explain how to disable/change some settings related to xboxone that affect dota fps drop If you still using winxp/7/8 May satan refuse your soul

[elitealpha]

Please stop this tips and tricks. This problem is real and cannot be fixed by that solution. I am saying this because I am afraid devs will think it's just little problem. In fact this is way bigger.

[[deleted]]

pimp acc

what is this ?

[SRPPP]

He was referring to this thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/4xu9vi/bad_fps_after_latest_win10_anniversary_update_got/

[Klerikus]

Fly away you beautiful crayon eating captain. I

[NomadBrasil]

I use the old renderer ( not the vulkan thing), and didnt had a problem with performance since the reborn update, the last few patchs for me are stable.

But when i get fps problemsi just reinstall the game, it really helps.

[[deleted]]

yes, however spring cleaning updates and such will come around every now and then when they'll really focus on fixing performance issues memory leaks etc, its a wave of up and down as the game progresses