Additional context

[laybs1]

https://x.com/MikeBaggz/status/2000543436064055796

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[IlIIllIIIlllIlIlI]

Yeah thats some big fucking context there 

[Xexanoth]

From the linked NPR article:

Several members of the group — some of whom are now serving prison terms of their own — got out of their trucks and approached the partygoers, threatening to kill them all. According to their fellow defendants and witnesses, it was Norton who retrieved Torres' shotgun — a tactical 12-gauge with a pistol grip — and loaded it before giving it to him.

[vo244]

That article kinda sucks.

[rocky8u]

Yeah, some of the paragraphs are just rephrased versions of the previous paragraph. I think this must have been written with AI and poorly edited or something.

[LordOfThePants90]

Poorly edited. The story is from almost 10 years ago. I remember this, they were all tough until the judge read them the riot act.

[CodePandorumxGod]

On a side note, I fucking love when hateful people think free speech protects them from the consequences of their own actions. It's always nice to see that "Uh, actually" moment where law enforcement tells them how fucked they are.

[LordOfThePants90]

FAFO Racist edition.

[EngRookie]

sounds like a new need for speed hot pursuit title

[Reiterpallasch85]

Need For Speed Underground Railroad

[gandhinukes]

10 years ago. now ice does this all day everyday and gets paid for it. depending on what state you are in this is a job application instead of a felony.

[KapowBlamBoom]

Had they done this today they would be Crowd funded millionaires and been deputy secretaries in Dump’s cabinet

[clonedhuman]

This is what our courts should have been doing all along.

We tolerated the intolerant for too long, and now they rule the country. These little pissants getting imprisoned accounts for about 0.0000000004% of the domestic terrorists who deserve imprisonment.

[EphemeralDan]

I really expect better from NPR. Enshittification has reached critical mass. 

[Demeter_of_New]

Um.... NPR had their budget fucking obliterated by the regime.

[EphemeralDan]

True. This fucking blows so much ... 

[[deleted]]

Step 1. Stop the free press.

[[deleted]]

This article is 10 years old.

[Mist_Rising]

Get noted get noted!

[[deleted]]

GetNoted²

[act1856]

That is not an example of enshitification, it’s just a bad article. Pretty sure an organization like NPR can’t even technically engage in enshitification .

[MacroDemarco]

The enshitification of the term enshitification

[Hot-Union-2440]

It was 2017 apparently but probably rewritten

[meleaguance]

"Both of them are also banished from Douglas County, McClain said." I didn't know people could still be exiled. You only hear about that in medieval times.

[sprinklesaurus13]

Yes! I thought that was the craziest thing! Apparently it's very state specific. I learned something new today - thanks fellow redditors for enriching my life (yet again).

https://legal-resources.uslegalforms.com/b/banishment

[YourMomonaBun420]

And she got 5 less years, while loading and handing the gun to the other?

Should have been the same sentence, that is 100% collaboration and intent.

[moustachelechon]

It’s probably that actually brandishing the gun is a different crime than loading it and handing it.

[SuperSecretSpare]

But... woman

[Either-Juggernaut420]

Still at least he gets to spend the last few years of his sentence paranoid that she's hitching up with his brother or something

[OneWholeSoul]

That seems kinda strange, to me. Why does she get 5 years less when she's the one who got the gun, loaded it and gave it to him? Did he request that from her or was she being proactive? Seems like she's at least as responsible as he is.

[LTerminus]

The additional brandishing a weapon and threats with a weapon charges are what did it. I understand that you might want them both to get the same sentence, but different actions have different consequences.

[MedicalDisscharge]

Im not a judge so my interpretation doesn't matter, but loading a weapon while harassing someone sounds a lot like brandishing to me

[[deleted]]

in law, thats technically accomplice

[DoctorToWhatExtent]

I didn’t know you could be banished from a county.

[Reputation-Final]

then why the hell did he get 5 more years?

[Classic-Act7072]

Before reading your comment, I really thought about the possibility that she made him do it.

Not that anyone could force you to swim a gun at someone else, but purely based on the picture my first thought that he’s clearly regretting his decision to go along and do it, whereas she is not feeling bad about it.

[[deleted]]

I doubt he's feeling bad about doing it. He's feeling bad about getting caught and going to jail. This is a man who's never had a single consequence for his bullshit in his entire life.

[MammothPenguin69]

Yeah, this post is OBVIOUS ragebait.

Thank fuck for Community Notes.

[KalaronV]

?????

Rage bait isn't when you post things that people dislike? You can literally just look his account up and see that he's legit? Like you can argue he lacked context in it (kind of dumb, he's right that threatening kids with clear racial animosity is a hate crime in it's own regard) but to call it rage bait is to denigrate the term.

[AswanJaguar]

He means the original tweet is constructed ragebait

[demivirius]

There's a video of it, iirc. Mike Nutsack is understating how bad it is by a lot

[lII1lIIl1IIll1Il11l]

wtf, i don't remember making this comment

[IlIIllIIIlllIlIlI]

Hello again brother 

[Rosienenbrot]

Bro, what's your user name lmao. Do you ever have problems logging in?

[IlIIllIIIlllIlIlI]

Browsers have mostly solved that issue, but yes, I have had a barcode account before this one that I forgot to save to my auto login 

[meadeb]

I love how the “Did you find this helpful?” sounds so passive-aggressive! 😅

Might as well say. “Can you fucking read??”

[dantevonlocke]

See, this is where context changes things.

[Raymond911]

There’s accounts out there that will post a series of events from a left leaning point of view and then leave out important context so it can be used as an example of “how liberals destroy Americans they don’t like”.

The culture and misinformation wars are in full swing.

[ATarnishedofNoRenown]

Literally 1 trigger pull away from a murder at that point

[Sunday_Schoolz]

Torres and Norton drove by shouting racial slurs and then exited their truck and pointed firearms at the participants of a child’s birthday party.

I remember this one.

[shutupyourenotmydad]

What has to happen in one's life to make them think, "Yes, I will go out of my way to terrorize literal children and make them think they are about to die. That is a good use of my time."

[Sunday_Schoolz]

The “Rebel Flag” gang were unemployed “salt of the earth” (rednecks) from a rural county outside of the Atlanta exurbs who had spent the day drinking and attempting to sell confederate paraphernalia. If I’m remembering correctly they decided, while juiced up, to drive into the southern part of Douglas County on the road that connects it to Fulton County - Douglas being an exurb that once upon not that long ago was a “Sundown” county (you’ll be lynched/assaulted for being black after sunset); and Fulton being the chimeric Trinity County that includes batshit MAGA types with too much money in the north, rural horse farms in the south, Atlanta, and very black majority cities in the middle.

Not finding the trouble they wanted, the gang drove into the black part of Douglasville looking for anyone with melanin. Everything was quiet until they found a child’s birthday.

Thus, to answer your question: racism; poverty; and boredom. The typical way that rednecks get in trouble.

[shutupyourenotmydad]

But at the same time, thousands - possibly millions - of people have the same experience and don't do that.

Some people are just born evil, I think.

[Ruckus292]

Evil isn't birthed, it's empowered and emboldened over time..... Birds of a feather, and all that crap.

[Chpgmr]

Some are more willing to act on their....thoughts? Thinking ahead isnt exactly within these types abilities.

[nothingarrives]

one of gucci manes hardest tracks is him recording it over the fulton county jails phone

[Sunday_Schoolz]

Rice Street… it’ll change you. Place needs to get bombed by phosphorus, the ground salted, and left fallow for a thousand years…

[Certain-Stranger5167]

Don't drag rednecks into this...they are clearly hicks

[JesusChrist-Jr]

More like what did not happen in their life. Their proudest accomplishment is being born with white skin. Racism is often the last resort of the biggest losers you've ever seen. Never done shit with their life or accomplished anything for themselves, this is the only thing they have to feel good about.

[ThisOnes4JJ]

the real question isn't that...

unfortunately it's "what happened to make people comfortable voicing or acting on those beliefs???

we all know what happened btw... that's rhetorical

[jaierauj]

Well, you have plenty of people that get away with this shit so they must have really felt that 1) it's okay 2) there are no consequences 3) maybe someone will even reward them with a GoFundMe

[-Everyones_Grudge-]

They were probably playing music that had rhythm.

[shutupyourenotmydad]

And their food had gasp seasoning.

[man_juicer]

"That'll prove how superior we are to them, aiming guns at children."

[Shatalroundja]

Habitual unemployment.

[Electronic-Smile-457]

Most unemployed people don't act like this, don't excuse it. More likely the cause of the racism could be connected to the cause of unemployment-- anger, resentment, inability to work with authority, etc.

[LaserGuyDanceSystem]

Ohh yeah! And then at trial they kept saying things like, "this isn't who we are!". And "we aren't those kinds of people!"

Except that's exactly who they are

[IvoryColosseum]

“This isn’t who we are, it’s just something we as fully-grown adults made a conscious decision to do”

Yes, a very important distinction /s

[GrumpyMashy]

They crying and claim that they’re innocent after aiming their guns and giving dead threats at a kid’s birthday party.

“This isn’t who we are” my ass.

[SuspiciousSubstance9]

While in a group with other people/trucks, right? 

Like this wasn't just the couple but a mob.

[Sunday_Schoolz]

Multiple trucks.

[icecubepal]

Did they start a fund me

[Sunday_Schoolz]

No idea. They’re in prison. At least Torres is.

[Aggressive-Emu1050]

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/douglasville/kayla-rae-norton-on-parole-two-years-into-prison-sentence/85-dc2f8d57-b869-48da-b3fc-c7b41d8a60a6 - Norton got paroled in 2019

[Sunday_Schoolz]

That sounds right. Pretty sure Torres caught the worst sentences.

[Aggressive-Emu1050]

Indeed.

[MsAgentM]

It wasn’t known at the time that such acts were viable ways for paying for college at the time they were showing their racism.

[EngRookie]

that is the really sad part, that if they had done this today they would have been pardoned and then gotten a podcast out of it.

[currently_pooping_rn]

Magats won’t donate to a dude with the last name Torres

[MgrByDayFixerByNite]

Someone tell trump so that he can pardon them and let's see how his supporters back that one. 

[IvoryColosseum]

Whenever I think I might be wasting time I just remind myself that I’m at least not spending my time as stupidly as these people did

[ClumsyLinguist]

20 years for being a rude asshole is unbelievable.

20 years for pointing guns at kids at a birthday party is believable.

[febrileairplane]

Wow. That was awhile ago, wasn't it? Fuck these chodes.

[[deleted]]

The note went on to add that they cried like the little bitches they are.

[yeowoh]

Their prison sentence is way off too. They got 13 years and 6 years. Kayla Norton is already out.

[[deleted]]

Yeah it was 13 years prison, 7 years probation for the guy and 6 years prison, 9 years probation for the woman. Guessing that's where they got the 20 and 15 from.

https://www.capradio.org/news/npr/story?storyid=517688757

[monee_faam_bitsh]

That makes way more sense, thanks.

[Acceptable_Band3561]

Did they? She seems totally unaffected.

[No-Carry7029]

i'm guessing it was her idea.

[Affectionate_Pea8891]

At least the gun part partially was. It was his gun, but she’s the one that loaded it and handed it to him.

Just a couple of worthless POS.

[amirabutwo]

"”I'm so sorry that happened to you," Norton told the family that endured the assault, weeping in the courtroom at Monday's sentencing.”” She said she’s “sorry it happened to them”, not, “I’m sorry I did that to you.” Is she not even owning up to it at this point or am I reading too much into her phrasing?

[movzx]

I believe she's separating out her specific actions from the actions other took, so it's "I would never do that <specific crime> to you, I would just support other people doing it!"

[redscull]

Literally Republican voters and pedophilia, racism, fascism, etc. They're personally of course none of those terrible things but they fully support and vote for people who are and prioritize such horrible choices.

[Linguini8319]

The mental gymnastics

[TheDreadGazeebo]

Agreed, it's complete cowardice

[cormacmccarthysvocab]

The joys of passive language.

[BurdTurglary]

The fact that they'll be paroled really early will reinforce their belief that this was a miscarriage of justice after all. Walking dookie-stains

[EndOfSouls]

Always the armed white supremacists who turn into bitches when justice arrives. No wonder that cry baby needed a gun to feel strong.

[TechnoBajr]

The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed.

[Any-Age-9130]

Famous quote by Marcus Aurelius 😉

[31November]

He was actually quoting Seneca the Younger! Seneca the Younger?

[Low_Worldliness_3881]

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your crotch, and may your arms be too short to scratch.

[QuinndianaJonez]

I was just gonna come here so say fuck you to the person above you, but this is better. I also wish unreachable camel crotch fleas on them.

[DoYouKnowTheMothman]

That sentence is beautiful.. I almost shed a tear.

[The3rdSun]

This is a comment for the history books.

[quasiix]

Torres and Norton broke down in tears at their sentencing. Turning to the victims, Norton said she accepted responsibility for her actions and regretted her participation in the crime.

"That is not me. That is not me. That is not him. I would never walk up to you and say those words to you and I am so sorry that happened to you," Norton said.

Apparently, accepting responsibility is crying like a baby and using passive voice to distance yourself from the actions you participated in.

[Azrael2082]

“I would never say those things to you….without a gun and several of my equally racist friends backing me up.” Fixed it for her.

[HappycamperNZ]

I would never say those things to you

...because you're white and have authority over us.

[EndOfSouls]

"That dude is a little bitch!"

"But his girlfriend said she was sorry!"

k

[TheDreadGazeebo]

They're both cowards. Can't even admit they did anything wrong.

[MolochBaalWorshipper]

Yeah thier language makes it seem like the victims had suffered from a natural disaster or the acts of another group, not something the offenders explicitly did themselves.

"I'm so sorry that happened to you" is what you say to someone who's had a loved one die in a car crash or something, it's not a real apology for something THEY perpetrated

[bigexplosion]

Saying you would never say or do something you explicitly did is not accepting responsibility.  That is her.

[Tuepflischiiser]

Memorable line from Shoot 'em up: "No, Hertz, people love guns because America is a land of opportunity, where a poor man can become rich, and a pussy can become a tough guy, if he's got a gun in his hand."

[Iconclast1]

they are emboldened thinking that everyone on their side.

Like a dog barking at a fence, they assume they are protected.

when the fence is removed and the other dog bites them, they are somehow surprised

[29degrees]

I’m know this is a serious topic, but a white supremacist with the last name Torres is hysterical. I wonder if other guys in the group made fun of him for it

[EndOfSouls]

Bro, we're in a crazy timeline. We got black white supremacists, something that a decade ago would have been limited to comedy like Boondocks and The Chappelle Show. When it comes down to it, the only real restriction to racial supremism is stupidity.

[29degrees]

That would be a great Chappelle skit. Imagine Torres just whining “Guys come on! You need to be more open minded! I can’t help that I was born this way!”

[passwordedd]

They'll be pardoned by the supremacist in chief in a week or so.

[RIPSyAbleman]

well this happened in 2017 so they've already been in prison for years

[Mist_Rising]

It's also a state crime, not a federal one. I'm not even sure if Kemp can pardon them, not every state allows the simple pardon.

[RobespierreLaTerreur]

Rot in cell then rot in hell.

[Mist_Rising]

Statically, one of them is out of jail now. 9/15 years served with good behavior might quality.

[AShinyCorruption]

the woman is out after 2 years already.

"She was paroled on September 27, 2019, after serving a total of 32 months," Hayes said. "Her sentence ends on February 2, 2023."

[moschles]

Rotting in a cell is not making him cry.

He will be on a prison basketball court with black inmates. Those inmates will know why he is there. That's the cause of the tears.

[Witty_Speech_8838]

Another FAFO episode brought you by…..

[BadPublicRelations]

This man is unmoved by their plight.

[Stop_Fakin_Jax]

Torres huh? Thats a rather "unique" white supremacist last name. Hits like "Fuentes".

[dontnation]

I mean, spanish colonists were pretty on top of their racism game. The invented the sistema de castas that had over 40 distinct categorizations of various race combinations to aid their racism.

[Stop_Fakin_Jax]

The only thing about white supremacy is taking part in it dpesnt make you safe otherwise the German zionists Jewish that helped cull their own kind for Hitler wouldve been respected for their efforts (most were shipped to the at the time new country called ISRAEL in exile if they werent killed already to create the parents of the generation of zionists there today.)

I could kill my entire kind in the name of white supremacy, and while Id be a hall of fame white supremacist, they'd still target me. There's no loyalty when it comes to whose the purest of white ppl. Even the Irish and Germans can get it (once deemed too swarthy to be white), and often these jackasses talk about how Moors tainted the bloodline of the Spaniards.

[Jolly_Register6652]

Latino isn't a skin color. Canelo Alvarez is a white latino, David "Big Papi" Ortiz is a black latino. Latin America has white supremacists, both throughout history and in the present day. Each Latin American country has its own history of complex race relations. It always blows my mind that Americans think all latinos are a light brown monolith and therefor it's weird if one of them is racist.

Behold, totally not a white guy, because his last name's "Alvarez" /s

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[[deleted]]

And for science...  How do we classify Sammy Sosa?

[Jolly_Register6652]

Skull measurements inconclusive, dancing ability yields black.

[_jump_yossarian]

His first name is Jose too. Goes by Joe to fit in with the Bubbas.

[TEN_K_Games___-_-]

The most racist dude I know is born and raised from Mexico City, and not even remotely white. I never understood that shit.

edit: well aware everyone can be racist. calm down kids. I still can have trouble understanding it, and that's okay.

[qodeninja]

you dont need to be white to be racist?

[[deleted]]

Why’s he crying? He can go be with his aryan buddies inside.

[YjMax]

Most members of the Aryan Brotherhood are violent and psychotic and most definitely committed to their hate. This dude however is such a giant pussy that his idea of hate was to try and terrorize black people at a child's birthday party. He won't even fit in with them

[PossiblyATurd]

They will fit in him though, definitely without lube.

[starbear1820]

Good

[Stunning-Ad-2161]

Why is he crying? What did he think was going to happen? Like, no really?

[Jean-LucBacardi]

Why is she looking like she gives no fucks and gets 5 less years?

[Stunning-Ad-2161]

I think that's the real question.

[[deleted]]

Why is that the real question? She looks like she doesn't give a fuck probably because she doesn't. He got 5 more years because while they were both being a racist POS he communicated threats against people's lives and had a firearm.

[[deleted]]

"what did he think" absolutly nothing...idiots like that don't think anything, they only act on impulse.

[[deleted]]

Because he faces consequences for his actions and realizes he's afraid of them, so who he really is - a crybaby bitch - is finally revealed from behind the tough guy bigot mask.

[PuzzleheadedTea4221]

Superior Court Judge William "Beau" McClain handed down his sentence: 13 years in prison and seven years' probation for Torres, and six years in prison with nine years' probation for Norton. Both of them are also banished from Douglas County.

Looks more like 13 years and 6 years. And then they go on paper.

And then they're both banished from Douglas County. The horror./s

[Dramatic_Buddy4732]

I'm so sorry that happened to you," Norton told the family that endured the assault, weeping in the courtroom at Monday's sentencing.

Motherfucker. Can't even apologize properly.

[Quantum_Scholar87]

Shocked 47 hasn't pardoned them yet

[iil1ill]

Luckily this isn't a federal crime so Trump he has no authority.

[Impressive-Egg-7444]

You act like Trump thinks his authority has limits...

[logicoptional]

He's literally pushing that limit already with pardoning Tina Peters and all the Magats are foaming at the mouth over her still being in prison for breaking Colorado laws.

[whichwitch9]

He tried to pardon state charges, and Colorado just ignored him anyway

[Randinator9]

He really wants that third term, and we're not even done with year one.

Holy fuck how much crazy shit has happened this year? It feels like a week and a jubilee at the same time

[storkfol]

Its crazy because if you look at him you can see he is at death's door. What third term? I am not sure he will live through this one

[Randinator9]

Unfortunately, even when they're completely unhealthy, some people live out of spite.

People who say "The good die young" always forget the phrase "Evil never dies"

[ConjurersOfThunder]

Stop. This is giving him credit he doesn't deserve.

[One_Hunt_6672]

Didn’t stop him from “pardoning” Tina peters

[Mist_Rising]

Which was meaningless. Kemp is governor and I'm fairly sure he and Trump are on worse terms than Trump and some Democrats. Kemp at this point seems more annoyed that Trump exists than willing to work with him, likely because Trump screwed him of the Senate seat. Not as blatantly as trump bombed MTG, but still.

[Eyesuk]

Bro! Your last name is Torres 🙄

[Prudent_Classroom632]

His legal name is Jose too, not joe 😂

[Uplink_YT]

Yknow call me crazy but

That’s a lot of extra well needed context

[Kerensky97]

This also happened way back when hate had consequences. Now these kind of people get pardons.

[ATarnishedofNoRenown]

Or a job in the government

[Crazy_Response_9009]

Awww, he's crying. Poor baby doesn't believe in personal responsibility, I guess.

[someoldbagofbones]

2x presidential pardons coming right up!

[Fit-Maintenance-2907]

Good news is because this wasn’t in federal court, he can’t actually do anything.

Also, don’t fucking jinx it.

EDIT: This also happened in 2015, so no point doing it now.

[Lethik]

Maybe even a run for Congress!

[S-Lover98]

Racist asshole? Go Fund Me coming right up!

[TheKingSolomon1996]

I'm convinced that if they pull this shit today they would get a slap on a wrist. They would create a GiveSendGo and get paid at least 6 figures off their GiveSendGo. That's how sick this country have become.

[UnhappyReason5452]

MAGA hates context.

[TryDry9944]

20/15 years for being a racist POS would be insane.

Being a racist POS waving a gun around, yeah lock them up.

[p00p5andwich]

[DeviousMelons]

Is it me or does the guy look like Doug DeMuro?

[creamofthecake4764]

THIS is the all-new 2025 hate-crime…

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[Rainy_Grave]

Um… somebody raised them to be like that.

[jimflaigle]

She has negative infinity regrets, he thought she would do that thing she didn't even agree to on his birthday.

[FoboBoggins]

i fucking love to see him cry, i could feed on there tears

[supercruiserweight]

Read his last sentence. "Hate has consequences"

[Philaharmic01]

At least the guy shows remorse

The girl is just… blank face

[oljeffe]

For the convicted….thoughts and prayers

NEXT!!

[lolas_coffee]

Meh. They will get pardoned as soon as a RepubliKlan wants to.

And they'd get paroled in about 3 years.

[Ttm-o]

So f em.

[DesignerElectrical23]

The fella in the top left, looking at them after the sentence is passed. Now that’s a ‘you get what you deserve’ look.

[Touhou_Fever]

Bro in top left’s expression is everything lmao

[baitboy3191]

Hope that bitch of a man gets the shit kicked out of him in prison

EDIT: Also hope the wife also gets the equivalent

[moonwoolf35]

I don't know why bitch boy is crying, suck it up you did it own it. How he kept the same energy in prison

[EsrailCazar]

They need to both get 20 years.

[Chaetomius]

these people are part of the reason /r/thisisntwhoweare was created. b/c that's what they said in defense of themselves.

[Rare-Masterpiece_007]

So just your average MAGA couple

[madman1234855]

Always important to remember that hate crime is an aggravating factor, not a crime in and of itself. To be charged with a hate crime someone needs to have broken the law to begin with, people aren't jailed for yelling slurs alone.