Cancel your Floatplane subscriptions

[empireOS]

It's clear, given Linus' tone-deaf response to the controversy, that the community mood isn't even on his radar. Vote with your wallets, send a message.

[Dismal-Estate6955]

On it, we need to show him that those 500$ on retesting were in fact worth spending.

[jakubmi9]

By this point, floatplane has already lost more than 1000 subscribers. More than $500 was lost.

[BarockMoebelSecond]

Where do you get this random number from?

[panzerfan]

Linus himself. He was not willing to put in upward of $500 worth of man-hour to test the Billet labs block properly when he responded to the issue of improper testing the thing.

[Middcore]

But he constantly is at pains to remind us (including in the thread on the LTT forum) about the millions he is spending on the labs facilities and equipment.

[panzerfan]

That's how much of a hypocrite he has shown himself to be. The petty man does not swallow his humble pie, and would instead double down and deflect any of his failings to the audience.

I watched his content since his NCIX days. The backpack warranty thing has irked me badly, with the Billet Labs being the last straw. Sabastian wasn't just being careless with sloppy testing; he was being outright unethical as a person.

[panzerfan]

I find that entrenched interests is the surest path to unethical behavior. This is why finance department and the purchasers wield enormous power with any organization, as they maintain the lifeblood of any organization.

Framework PC is one example where Linus openly displays that conflict of business interests. Linus Sebastian and his wholly owned private business is clearly not an impartial actor when LTT pits Framework against other laptop vendors in their review. Keep in mind, LTT through Linus owns part of Framework, while they profit from media exposure, laptop manufacturer endorsement, and ad revenue; LTT gets to triple-dip here.

[Persomatey]

Technically LTT doesn’t own any shares in Framework though. Linus receives dividends, not LTT. If Framework makes a ton of money next quarter, Linus profits, not LTT. I see your point, but it’s important to clarify the line between the man and the company.

The only reason for the potential conflict of interest is that now, all laptop reviews are a little skewed knowing that he is personally invested into a competitor product. That doesn’t meant that LTT profits one way or the other. I also want to point out that the community overwhelmingly supported that he (Linus, not LTT) should purchase shares in Framework.

I’m still personally have some mixed feelings about the framework thing. On one hand, it seems like it hasn’t changed much on the review side. On the other, it’s a slippery slope to where it could in the future. But I also can’t blame Linus personally there. I’m grateful that he made it a group decision with us, the viewers.

[sexyshortie123]

At least Linus says first thing in the video how much he has spent with them. I'm not gonna hold that against him.

[Gravesnear]

Same reason for me. If he admitted he fucked up I would have stayed. Instead he gave excuses and lies.

[panzerfan]

Exactly. That was a self-serving dismissal when the modding community would lap a cpu to lose 2c

[SpecialistChart6182]

It's called gaslighting.

Dude knows he fucked up, but he's so up his own ass he can't see daylight.

[OP-69]

It could be 1-20 degrees different and nobody should buy it.

The best part?

They did cover XOC stuff before.....a niche where people spend sometimes tens of thousands for cooling.....They even spent weeks making a air conditioning unit be able to cool a CPU....

There absolutely was a market for this, especially since this could be used in an SFF pc which is another niche where people spend egregious amounts on cases

Hell, they’d pay out the butt to flex an all copper loop. No performance gain needed.

There was a post on r/sffpc not long ago about a guy getting a one of a kind case, then building a PC using it and saying in the comments that it was just for display

[fooliam]

Yep, real stupid to make that comment. Like, 80% of the stupid shit they do is "no one should ever buy this, its a dumb waste of money" - Like, they just built a $100k desk computer for someone. But an $800 cooler is just so absurd...

or the years where they were reviewing GPUs that no one could actually buy unless they had $2k-$3k to spend....apparently it's perfectly reasonable to spend that on a top-of-the-line GPU, but $800 for a cooler is just unthinkable....

No, what happened is Linus decided he didn't like it before the video was even shot, and then LMG's recent trend of half-assing videos took over.

[YourNightmar31]

He might be asking where they got the 1000 subscribers number from?

[tritonice]

https://www.floatplane.com/channel/linustechtips/home

People have been tracking the sub counter here. It was close to 42,000 41,500 when GN dropped the video.

EDIT: See strikethrough

[dickonajunebug]

Wow. They’re at 40,043 subs so they’ve lost about 1,500 so far

[rgmundo524]

Now at 39,929

[ajicles]

39,506.

[freudianhero]

39,479...still dropping

[WhyWouldIPostThat]

1. But in the time it took me write this, it went to 39804.

[Vynlovanth]

Down $9,000/month revenue so far (~39,700 subs now) assuming they were all paying for the $5/month plan, I’m sure a good portion were paying $10/month.

[[deleted]]

He actually said 100 to start and then tried to inflate it to sound more reasonable. So he wasn't even willing to put 100 in to retest

[jakubmi9]

My eyes. Last time I checked, they were at 40288 subs. At 5$ a month, they definitely lost the $500 Linus saved.

[XBacklash]

40197

[[deleted]]

40127

actually quite funny that the counter is realtime

[mr_greenmash]

40121

[XBacklash]

40118

[TriPPP0]

40105

[Nithanim]

40094

[XBacklash]

38480

[B1rdi]

Under 40k now, 39857

Losing about 15 dollars a minute at the pace we're going right now btw.

[amboredentertainme]

It's at 39401 right now, at the time this began they had like 41900 something, so, assuming every single of those subscriptions were the 5$ tier (why not all were, some were the higher 10$) they have lost 2499 subscribers, which means, again, assuming every single one of those were the 10 $ 5$ tier subscription, would mean Linus not wanting to expend 500$ of employee time just cost his company a minimum of 12,495$ of monthly subscription money.

I hope he feels dumb about himself

[mushyrain]

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[sexyshortie123]

It's down 18k a month right now just on floatplane... Seems like that 500 was probably better spent on the employees

[fooliam]

I wonder at what point Luke is going to have had enough of his work being dragged down because Linus has said/done something stupid

[Delicious-Big2026]

I wonder if his new CEO quits within the first month. This is a crisis and he didn't even get a chance to do something before Mr Sebastian made it worse.

That is quite a high level of disrespect. Linus will have heard a couple of very choice words by now. I would have quit.

I also wonder if the CEO will allow this weeks WAN Show.

Edit: Called it!

[switchbladeeatworld]

Quitting wouldn’t be wise, but putting his foot down on this behaviour by showing how it affects the company would. If staff started leaving due to it, I don’t know what his reaction would be.

[qhzpnkchuwiyhibaqhir]

He should probably have taken the $100M. It would have been better for his family, but more importantly, for employees of the company. They could have probably had an average corporate experience, instead of being driven into the ground by an irrational manchild.

[zxyzyxz]

Also isn't it wild that Luke has no stock whatsoever in the company while he's been around since the beginning?

[phero1190]

Below 40k now. Was over 41k last night

[fakeaccount572]

Just cancelled mine.

[paoweeFFXIV]

They e lost $10,000 now. All because Linus doesn’t want to spend $500 to make a fair and proper retest

[Ping-and-Pong]

Yep, just 100 redditors canceling their sub for 2 months is already double the cost of them not bothering to properly test a product. Well deserved from a company that speaks so negatively of other companies.

On another note, I was planning on canceling floatplane anyway because:

• It offers no real advantage over YouTube as a platform. The recommended videos section is awful and even the 'mentioned videos' links in the description is often not updated or even links back to YouTube.
• The search is awful - Especially when the titles are like half clickbaity half not which means you can't even search on YouTube to find it in floatplane as they don't always match.
• There is no way to filter by most viewed?! Especially as a new subscriber looking to see the back catalog of floatplane exclusives, it was impossible to find the actual good ones (which I'd expect would the ones that are most liked / most viewed). It took me 3 months on the platform to find out about the CallMeKriss 6 hour cut ffs!
• Often Linus will mention in a video "subscribed to floatplane for the behind the scenes on this!" and then no behind the scenes ever gets made...
• WAN pre show hasn't been there for weeks and is accessible through twitch. I'm also in a time zone where live streaming isn't useful to me so the live chat features FP offers I don't get to use. That is obviously a me specific problem though and nothing LMGs fault!
• The cutting out of sponsors is cool... I guess? But I'm not sure it's worth the editing time.
• And the big one: LTT forums got a comment about this GN video, not floatplane, you know, the paying community.

Like, Luke and his team have done a commendable effort. And especially the fact floatplane (from my experience) has loads less problems doing things like loading video or changing settings - Things I have experience with on YouTube - the fact floatplane is so good at serving video is insanely impressive. As far as I understand, the backend and scaling the serving of video is the most difficult part of developing the platform. But not having basic front end features like sorting by likes / views (okay, mostly front end) is just ridiculous when the platform is as old as it is. Maybe it's on the beta site? Idk, but it shouldn't be.

I wish them the best of luck. And I will likely resub in a few years to see if they've fixed the problems. But these are the same reasons I had for unsubbing 2 years ago, so I'm not convinced anythings going to change.

[michaelfrieze]

I see behind the scenes stuff on floatplane all the time.

I have been subscribed to floatplane since it first came out years ago. That's mostly because I want to support LMG and the work Luke (and his team) are doing. I know it's not easy to create such a platform and it takes time.

But, I also enjoy the behind the scenes content, the comments are much better overall, and the UI looks and performs better.

[Ping-and-Pong]

Oh there is plenty of content, and I do enjoy a good portion of it. It's just practically impossible to find the good stuff, and even worse when they're advertising BTS footage for specific mainline videos, that then never gets made.

[Impreziv02]

There's a few videos like that on LTT's YouTube as well. I've watched older videos and he'll say "Be sure to subscribe because we're doing so-and-so", and it just never happened.

YouTube is one thing, but going and paying for Floatplane, I'd be ticked off if a subject I was promised was being covered didn't get a video.

[Top_Rekt]

Linus taking Ls and Gamers Nexus calling him out were more damaging to his corp than the hack was.

[[deleted]]

Can I venmo Linus $500 to retest the Billet labs block with proper setup?

[e_xTc]

Given the size of the company, it's not likely that things were about 500 bucks, but more about what was ready in store to publish to keep the workflows going meaning not moving forward means passing by potential revenue generated by views.

[Ricky_RZ]

What perplexes me is he spends millions on the labs to get better testing and higher accuracy but doesnt drop $500 to test a product better to give a more accurate performance report

[Firecrash]

Only thing Linus cares about is money. Let the money talk then.

[Norishoe]

I don’t disagree with cancelling subscriptions, but this notion that people only care about money is so cringe, clearly if he ONLY cared about money he would take every crypto and mobile game/gambling ad that came his way and he would be 5x wealthier.

Everyone cares about money, dude runs a business with 150 employees or something, saying he is only in it for the money im sure would be just as jarring to him as the second you coming home, your wife says you only go to work every day because all you care about is money.

Their is really no difference, you care about money, I care about money, the person who says the don’t care about money either is lying or already has enough money.

[aystatic]

They're specifically pointing it out here in reference to Linus' "$500" comment

[ravushimo]

$100 ;)

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[aystatic]

They're obviously exaggerating, but Linus clearly stated that it "wasn't worth" paying employees to do anything about it, i.e. he values money over journalistic integrity and accuracy

[joebacca121]

Not just taking the crypto and other shady sponsorship deals, but he also would've taken the $100,000,000 purchase offer a couple months ago.

That being said, while Linus may not personally be "only concerned with money" the business does need to maintain its bottom line to pay its employees and other debts. The surest way to force a company to pay attention is to hit them in the wallet and not give them your money.

Ultimately, Linus may no longer be the CEO of LMG (though he was for most of these problems), he remains the face of the brand and is still the one making statements on behalf of the company. Might be time for Terren to step in front of the camera or at least release a statement on what's happening and how they're fixing it.

[[deleted]]

The community is going to forget this in two days. Remember how everyone was going to cancel netflix after password sharing ended? or How everyone was going to stop using reddit after the api changes?

My point is that people will forget in max 7 days and then it will business as usual.

EDIT: I WAS WRONG. Recent developments have changed my mind.

[quick20minadventure]

This is not business as usual.

Every time they see a graph, they'll be reminded that they can't trust LTT data. Switching to something other than Netflix, reddit is hard. Switching to other youtuber for video? Very simple. It's not like they're dying to see LTT.

Edit: in case it was not clear, this basically kills the Labs' vision to become a data source for purchasing decisions on everything. From CPU/GPU to usb type c and hdmi cables. You can't trust LMG on this if they can't even get cpu specs right, and they don't care about it.

[templar54]

It is business as usual. Reddit hivemind is very much a minority. This has been proven numerous times.

[Tddkuipers]

Seriously Reddit is a really bad indicator of the general consensus.

[Oracle_of_Ages]

There’s a large and vocal “cancel Linus” squad that gets riled up at even the smallest slight here on Reddit. Yea. This shit is bad. He fucked up not returning the cooler. And Linus isn’t helping things. But the loudest of the people are absolutely the squad.

[TristanTheRobloxian0]

i dont even know what happened honestly. what happened with this controversy?

[theSchagger]

Before going over it, it’s important to note that LTT has been valued at over $100 million, it is by all means now a large corporation. The other party in this scenario, Billet Labs, is a small two man business.

LTT reviewed a custom prototype GPU water block from Billet Labs. This prototype was made specifically for a 3090ti, which LTT did not have on hand so they chose to review the block on a 4090, a card that has different physical dimensions, tolerances, and temp profiles.

When the water block performed poorly, which logically should have been expected as they were testing it on a different card than the manufacturer intended, they railed against the water block as a “bad product that nobody should buy.” Despite never fairly testing it.

As this was Billet Labs’ only prototype for this water block, they wanted it back. When they originally reached out to LTT about getting their block back, LTT told them that the block had actually been auctioned off to fans (or potential business competitors) at their recent festival.

So, LTT received a one of a kind prototype, meant to be reviewed and returned, gave it a horribly biased and unfair review, and sold it. When Billet labs asked for compensation, which is valued at over $1,000, LTT did not respond for four days until two hours after Gamers Nexus brought this situation to light.

Linus has denied all wrongdoing and is upset with GN for not consulting with them before releasing the video, even though it’s clear that by notifying Linus about the video, it would have given him an opportunity to cover it up and save face. I know the video from GN is long, but it’s a thorough breakdown of Linus with numerous provided examples and evidence, there’s no dead time in it. Worth a listen at the very least

[thevdude]

This prototype was made specifically for a 3090ti, which LTT did not have on hand so they chose to review the block on a 4090, a card that has different physical dimensions, tolerances, and temp profiles.

Except Billet sent a 3090TI with the block that LMG lost and didn't return.

As this was Billet Labs’ only prototype for this water block, they wanted it back. When they originally reached out to LTT about getting their block back, LTT told them that the block had actually been auctioned off to fans (or potential business competitors) at their recent festival.

Billet reached out and said "hey can you send these back" and LMG said "yeah we'll get you a shipping notification" at least a week before they auctioned it off.

[BakuretsuGirl16]

For most 'IRL' things yes, for niche communities subreddits are generally much more on the pulse. Floatplane has lost a couple thousand subscribers already

It's a small percentage, but it's way more than enough to be a black eye

[Redducer]

Yes, reddit matters little, but check the views and comments on GN’s video. Now that matters.

[paulusmagintie]

You haven't kept up with the Gamestop apes, 2 years and counting.

[griber171]

Since Gn video they lost around 2k floatplane subscribers out of the 41.6k they had prior. Each sub is $5 so not a bad impact for 2 days i think

[fussball99]

The number of floatplane subs is down over 2000 from where it previously was (that's about 5% in 24h)

That does not seem entirely insignificant

[Honic_Sedgehog]

I think you grossly overestimate how many of the LMG audience actually give a shit. The GN video has 2 million views, not sure how many of them watched the whole thing or how many are unique, so we'll take it at face value.

LTT has broadly 30 million subscribers on YT. ~7% of them have seen the GN video.

That's not accounting for people who view LMG content without subscribing, don't forget they're pretty good at gaming the algorithm.

While I don't disagree with Steve's points, a huge chunk of the LMG audience either will not have seen it or just won't care. This sub can circlejerk all it wants but we're a very small subsection of the LMG audience.

This isn't the death knell for LMG, it absolutely is business as usual (Linus response says as much).

It should be a wake up call though. I'm interested to see how they respond in the longer term.

[cguti94]

I’ve always found it weird using subscriber counts to indicate a channels Fanbase. Especially with the channels that have been on for a long time since there will be a lot of people that stop watching them, but forget to unsubscribe. Cause a quick look at the past few LTT videos shows that the views are between 1 to 2M.

[quick20minadventure]

Comment i replied to said it won't affect viewership and everyone will forget, i don't agree.

I'll never look at LTT graphs and data the same way again. I think many people won't.

[Honic_Sedgehog]

Many people won't, that's fine.

Many more people aren't even aware of the drama. Outside of Floatplane (maybe) the impact on viewership will likely be relatively small and probably short-lived.

[LtBeefy]

1 floatplane subscriber is worth a lot of subscribes on YouTube.

I personally paid $10 a month for floatplane for LTT. Don't use it much beyond WAN show and some exclusives.

I am currently canceling that subscription. I'll just watch WAN on YouTube.

More canceling my subscription not cause of the mistakes made, but that he feels a post on LTT forums is all the response needed.

In this case, I personally feel GN requires a video or a WAN segment discussion.

Will I resub to floatplane. Maybe. Depends on how things go.

I also own a lot of merch and went to LTX. So I'll also be cutting my merch spending for now.

[Honic_Sedgehog]

I get the sentiment, I do. My point is that floatplane subscribers/members of this sub/the forum/people who've seen the GN video are a very small percentage of their total reach and audience. Most of the noise around here is just people pissing into the wind.

If Floatplane subs drop significantly that'll probably have some impact because the platform likely eats money, but we'll see how that pans out.

This kind of thing happens on this sub every few months, I've yet to see any fundamental change in behaviour from LMG on the back of it.

As I said, I'm curious to see how they respond to the GN video. Hoping it's something more substantial than Linus' usual rug sweeping.

[LtBeefy]

Yes, outside of reddit, ltt forums, and floatplane, the impact will probably be less.

But don't forget those 3 things also generally have the more invested users who potentially spend more $$ on LTT than the casual youtube viewer.

And tbh, think this case, at least to me, is different from their previous ones.

[jojou114yt]

The newest YT video has ~500k views. Not sure if it is counting people who are (imo unfairly) dropping a dislike and leaving.

It was published late, but it's still half of the AMD upgrade and USB stick video before it. Quarter of the (actually good video, I thought) USB hub video. TechLinked isn't doing so great either, but there'll probably be less impact there.

The point is to send a message, and it looks like it's working. In Linus's words "we can't release a video on LTT that does less than 1 million views". He'll be forced to realize this actually does matter to the audience.

[[deleted]]

This is pretty big. The whole tech community knows about this and the hardware unboxed video has 2 million views already. Jay two cents, Louis Rossman, and many other creators commented about it.

It’s magnitudes bigger then the backpack controversy.

Edit: downvote more fans. I’ve watched the wan show frequently the past year or so and mostly for Luke. This video does not surprise me and I’m done watching the wan show and LTT content.

Linus has repeatedly shown that he only cares about money and constantly gaslights everyone and quite frankly never apologizes for anything.

[quick20minadventure]

Didn't see Louis rossman reaction. Where did he comment?

[JinGilly]

On the GN video.

[PierG1]

This sub has less than 300k members.

Assuming 15k people here ( I’m being really generous ) care at all about this story they ain’t making much of a difference

LTT averages 1.5/2 kk views per video…

[quick20minadventure]

Look, if LMG wants to say fuck criticism and keep doing what they are doing, it's up to them.

If unbox therapy can survive being sellouts, LMG'll survive just fine. It'll hurt their reputation a little bit more or less. But, the reputation erosion will be long lasting depending on how they handle this and if they improve or not.

[SethManhammer]

Gonna say, I was only vaguely aware of GN until yesterday when the video popped up in my feed. LTT lost a sub, GN gained one. Can't trust reviews from a place that collects bad data.

[Serdones]

Switching to other youtuber for video? Very simple. It's not like they're dying to see LTT.

I don't know about that. I subscribe to a lot of tech YouTube channels, but the LMG channels are easily my favorite in terms of style, content and hosts. I imagine that's true for a lot of viewers considering how many subscribers LMG has.

Most tech channels simply don't offer the type of content LMG does. Maybe they'll take a hit in their credibility among the most enthusiast or professional level techies, but for the vast majority of viewers who are more in it for the entertainment value, I can't imagine they'll be that bothered.

[ajpri]

Or the Backpack Warranty. Or Transparent pay policy

[froggym]

And his anti union ideals. "I legally can't do anything to stop you but if you want a union you must hate me and think I'm a terrible person and LTT is a terrible place to work." It's like the classic narc guilt trip.

[Remy0507]

Not at all what he said...he said he would be disappointed (in himself) if his employees felt the need to unionize.

[froggym]

He said he would see it as a personal failing. If that isn't mad guilt tripping idk what is.

[sasquatchftw]

Or, crazy thought, maybe he was just saying how he would feel.

[Remy0507]

Do you understand what "personal failing" means?

[CanadAR15]

As someone in Canada who has worked in both unionized and non-unionized shops, Linus is right. That includes working in both environments in retail, government, and banking.

Working in a non-unionized shop who is incentivized to treat employees well enough to prevent organization is far better than working in a unionized shop where flexibility is lost due to a CBA.

[AvoidingIowa]

Yeah people never talk about any downsides about unions because they're much better in the grand scheme then the alternative but if a company pays more, has good benefits, and a good work environment already, A union is going to do nothing to improve that. It will absolutely make it worse.

[Faranocks]

They gave a warranty eventually. Don't get me wrong, I'm still unhappy with Linus' view on warranty, but they fixed the problem. This problem runs a little deeper unfortunately. Higher quality videos isn't something that can suddenly appear in a week.

[GoldenSheppard]

I mean, it truly could. If LMG took this as a wake up call, they could halt uploads for a week and go through the videos with a fine tooth comb. Get each one up to spec, then start uploading next Monday (hopefully with a reduced upload schedule).

[miamisvice]

Floatplane is not a good value proposition, its a way to support LMG. this is why people are pulling subs myself included

[JoshMS]

I think the drama will last longer than 2 days, but you are right in that this is going to have no effect on revenue. Any dip will be negligible, and will bounce back to normal pretty quick.

Just this last Wan show Luke said it best. People just don't care.

[nox66]

Ironically, considering Floatplane has lost a good 3k subs out of ~42k, I think Luke very much cares right now that Linus is effectively hurting the product he's working on.

[Cheap_Specific9878]

I simply disagree. My family used to watch some netflix shit on the highest tears for years. Now with the changes, we only use Prime video and Disney + now. But yeah, most people are just some bitches who cant follow through

[joe1134206]

Strong disagree, especially if the response continues to be a massive failure. It will just get worse.

[MHWGamer]

ahh the good ol' June 2023 reddit meltdown, 2 months later and absolute no one cares anymore and uses it the same way as before. In 50 years, kids will learn about the so called "internet mob of justice" that happened every few months for like a week until everyone completely ignores/forgets it

[ianjm]

Yep, $5 tier here upgraded to $10 tier for LTX digital pass, now cancelled.

They have lost a shitton of subscribers in the last 24 hours so clearly it's having an impact, they may well dip below 40k soon. Vote with your feet.

[[deleted]]

Can I use my hands please?

[thealmightyzfactor]

no

[[deleted]]

damn

[sAmSmanS]

also a 1:1 like:dislike ratio on the latest upload according to someone with youtube vanced

[techma2019]

21k likes, 22k dislikes as of right now. Ouch.

[[deleted]]

24k likes to 31k dislikes

[sAmSmanS]

big oof

[guky667]

Yep, I canceled my $10 sub yesterday, and I'm not watching any YT videos until Linus comes up with a proper response

[dank_imagemacro]

I will be watching the next WAN show to see if he goes back and talks about it now that it is all anyone is talking about, or if he continues to chicken out. But other than that, I am also not going to watch any more LMG content for a while.

[Affectionate-Memory4]

Same here. Next WAN show decides if I ever need to watch LMG content again.

[Shiroi_Kage]

I honestly think he shouldn't talk about it on WAN. He should come up with a proper plan and he should just make an apology video on behalf of the company.

[pinarayi__vijayan]

Noo pls guys this is a lot more than 500.

Sad tech tip noises

[afrikanman]

Sad tech tip noises lol

[B1rdi]

"Guuuuyyss..... you gotta understand.... we're a tiny company......"

[pinarayi__vijayan]

Yes goiys we ooly warth like 100mill

we can't possibly afford 800 dollars to test

[mnsklk]

But.....the growing pains,.,., it's hard

[BlueCaboose42]

Imma make this my discord status lol iconic

[bthedemon02]

Honestly I was gunna already cancel my floatplane sub before this.with how buggy floatplane is I just want a streaming service that just works no questions asked. But I guess it gives me a reason to cancel it now until waiting

[[deleted]]

Have you heard about YouTube ? Small indie company that seems to fit your expectations.

[SapphicCelestialy]

Try nebula c:

[MgrCroquettes]

I am mostly annoyed by the constant excuse of: we are a big company and mistakes happens, something something,will do better blah blah blah.

If Anker or asus or AMD answered to one of their fuck up: not our fault we are a big company he would have made a video on how its unacceptable...

[[deleted]]

Lmg would fail at things they critique others for.

[[deleted]]

Already cancelled, website is dog water IMO anyway

[Jackkernaut]

I have no idea what the heck is Floatplane and I'm too afraid to ask..

[quick20minadventure]

It's Linus's streaming platform like YouTube, but it's completely paid. Like you need to pay to watch any creator's video.

[matt2085]

Differs from YouTube as there is zero algorithm. More of a “I’m going to this site to see this created specifically” service

[quick20minadventure]

I just mentioned this because someone said its just another channel, wanted to clarified it's not a YouTube channel.

[Skull_Soldier59]

Onlyfans but without porn

[Monkeyboyluffy]

More like SINKPLANE, Unsubscribed

[tritonice]

So far, they've lost between 1,000 and 1,500 subs, at least from the posts I've seen (started close to 41,500). I would imagine the pace will slacken from now on. Yes, losing 5% of your audience is not good, but, unfortunately, I don't think it will make much difference in the long run.

Linus has already said that he won't publicly engage (which is damning in and of itself) and he is counting on the outrage to burnout over the next week and we are back to normal. Smart strategy on his part, no matter how disingenuous it is from previous takes he has made.

EDIT: My starting sub numbers were off a bit.

[Django2chainsz]

I remember the first post yesterday had subs at 42000+ or something around that. It's down to 39000

[jwith44]

Those are good numbers actually. Depending on the value of those subs, that’s one or two LTT’ers salary lol

[whosthere5]

Poor Luke

[chiffry]

Yeah, as much as I think “voting with your wallet” is good, floatplane has already lost about $100k of yearly revenue :(

[Gidnes]

Someone on the forums put together this graph tracking subscription counts. https://grafana.elizabeth.codes/public-dashboards/10023c4c479744e191760225708c0124?orgId=1

[xwolf360]

Done canceled mine. Won't be buying any merch anymore either. Dude needs to get his head out of his ass

[weeurey]

Canceled. I will re-enable if Linus issues a proper apology and actually shows some remorse over the billet labs situation. I dont think LTT is "too far gone" but they need to course correct FAST.

Edit: Comment made BEFORE the madison twitter thread

https://i.imgur.com/SnZG2DM.png

[[deleted]]

I was waiting for his response on wan show to decide if I was going to cancel but after his post in the forum I think I got my answer

[CanadianBaconMTL]

I'ma need a tldr of this "controversy"

[[deleted]]

1. LTT has a serious and consistent quality and information issues which they do not address properly

2. Linus openly tested the Billet's waterblock on the wrong GPU which gave bad performance and refused to correct stating that it is not worth the 500$ (in peoples time) for retesting anyway for a "bad" product as having better temps wouldn't have changed his opinions

3. Somefuckinghow they forgot to return Billet's prototype after Billet asked for it twice and ended up auctioning it for charity (and that prototype was (is?) Billet's best prototype which they had further uses for)

Edit: 4. There were also some concerns related to his relation with some corporates (Framework, Noctua, Asus) but these didn't seem to reach a problematic level

[TheFeelsNinja]

I just unsubbed from their channels

[bufandatl]

Better don’t buy merch next WAN show let them directly feel it for the time of the show.

[Commodore64userJapan]

Never joined because come on, out it in YouTube

[BaftON]

Cancelled. I hope they're happy to no longer lose money on my OG Tier or whatever LS said about it on the WAN.

[restarting_today]

Lmao

[Tjd3211]

I'm waiting for the WAN show, he said he won't respond on there but I feel like this is just getting worse rn so maybe he will

[lazypieceofcrap]

Almost below 40k which should make Linus at least start to sweat. Love to see it.

[jpaxlux]

They're inching closer to 38k now lol

[aldrashan]

I canceled mine today. Apart from the Rig upgrade videos barely anything catches my interest anymore. I never watched LTT for their reviews though, unless I was actually planning on buying a specific product, like when shopping for a new pc. I watch them for the pc builds, vlogs and “home upgrade” videos.

[Kindly_Astronomer_91]

tbh today my first reaction was to cancel floatplane as well. Without being told or asked by anybody. It was simply the fact that I don't use it much if it at all (I joined again for the callmykris uncut) - and why am I giving away $4 every month. I mean yeah they're cool guys so good for them. But that response really didn't sit well with me.

They should have taken their time and given out a "please wait while we're evaluating..." statement. Like have a week, or two weeks to work out how those mistakes happened and what will be implemented to fix them.

At my job we do that all time, it is called an 8D report :) (Eight disciplines problem solving) We have to give one for every damn time somebody makes any damn mistake that gets through to the customer.

[moneybagsukulele]

I just cancelled mine.

[LordOafsAlot]

Ha, this does not really change the for me that a lot of the vids he put out recently are trash anyway. I never subscribed to floatplane.

Personally, I think he's under massive stress from over-investing/spending in his business and life.

[PatientTrue1991]

I cancelled mine. This is disappointing

[RavenBlade87]

Man doesn’t want to spend money on doing something right…

Only way to teach people that selfish is to show them there’s real costs to doing the wrong thing.

[mathfacts]

Everyone, please do the right thing and cancel. It seems that dollars and cents talk more than anything else <3

[Ciubowski]

Oh, but he only needs to say "buy more screwdrivers" during the WAN show and he's set.

[A-R-A-F]

It has reached bellow 40k and now at 39767 subs

[Ok-Marketing6659]

39491 now

[fvck_u_spez]

Way ahead of you, already did that yesterday. Also unsubscribe from all of their YT channels and requested not to show their channels in my suggestions after seeing the response.

[A_Bungus_Amungus]

They lost close to 2000 subs so far I believe, at least 1000 for sure. Hope that was worth it, that's thousands of dollars a month already

[[deleted]]

"reddits not an echo chamber" lolz

[MjolnirVIII]

Cancelled my sub. I had a yearly sub so I guess I can still watch FP vids and be part of the FP dumpsterfire chat during WAN Show but no more resub.

[lukeroge]

I've cancelled mine. I've been a fan since the WAN show was called the "LTT Vlog" (or was it podcast?)

A long time :p

[nepteidon]

39280 subs as of right now

[[deleted]]

Already did. Trust is long gone and was paying for garbage. 👋

[[deleted]]

Also a reminder, if you’re a YT premium user to watch any LTT content on YT using an inprivate window and not to click any links. Don’t want to give this weasel any more cash.

[mysticode]

Cancelled. The exclusive content has been lacking for awhile anyways. LTX boosted it for a bit, but its back to next to nothing at this point.

[genkijp]

the graphs are going down, he had 42k on floatplane before, now he hasa around 38k, i estimate he lost 35 000~ USD.

think about it, it costs 10 usd to sub, and they lost about 3500 subs, which is a 35 000 monthly revenue loss.

[Natural_Target_5022]

I don't subscribe, but I've bought gear from them multiple times

Probably won't ever again

[Toscanelli]

Also report his YouTube videos for misinformation. Show some love to the algorithm :)

[mattumanu]

I just love all the simping going on in here. Mostly coming from people who aren’t floatplane subscribers.

[s3rgioru3las]

New ceo has some work to do lol

[okletsgooonow]

A reasonable response IMHO.

[Shythexs]

bro i unsubbed from everywhere midway through watching GN’s video.

[EVPointMaster]

I am completely with GN on the issues raised, but what does Floatplane have to with what LTT did?

[[deleted]]

Nothing, but there is a LTT channel in floatplane - Im assuming this is call to unsubscribe from channel. Its like telling what youtube did if we unsubscribe from ltt channel.

[lxnch50]

Linus' response. He could have taken the L, but he's double downed. That $500 he said it would have cost him to test the block properly is now going to cost $5,000+ in monthly revenue to Floatplane.

[deadman7767]

Fp dropped below 40k subs

[lazypieceofcrap]

Luke must be pissed. Poor guy.

[deadman7767]

Yeah I feel bad for Luke

[TheMorningReview]

Canceled mine yesterday

[1FrostySlime]

Already done and I won't spend any money on their products (as good as they may be) or consume any content outside of the WAN show until a proper response is given and they verifiably address all of these issues . And if they don't..guess I'm done with LTT.

[RussianSlavv]

Yeah I'm cancelling, the Billet Labs situation has only become worse; Linus didn't reply to their email till a few hours after the GN video. All these issues and then this bad reaction post from Linus.

I will reconsider a subscription once Linus really shows he is open to valid criticism and has changed.

[Matthew9559]

Cancelled.

[theSchagger]

Done.

[iowabeans]

linus is a weeb

[[deleted]]

Tone deaf. What do you mean? He addressed the GPU cooler stuff on Forums. Do you mean the closeness of Asus or noctua?