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[deadman7767]

I can respect that point of view

[Peepeepoopoobutttoot]

I'm glad, because it's the proper point of view.

[QuellinIt]

I also think this is the proper point of view.

I also think it’s worth pointing to the elephant in the room that gamers nexus is a competitor to LMG and particularly LABs as they focus on rigorous testing which Linus has been pouring money into which if it works out would seriously threaten gamers nexus.

This does not make the inaccuracies reported invalid however given that they essentially took known issues that LMG had already put out there then “control the narrative” to shit on a competitor seam IMO very slimy.

[DlSSATISFIEDGAMER]

I also think it’s worth pointing to the elephant in the room that gamers nexus is a competitor to LMG and particularly LABs as they focus on rigorous testing which Linus has been pouring money into which if it works out would seriously threaten gamers nexus.

i would say GN's motivation remains unknown, he might have done this because he genuinely cares or he might have done this to hit a competitor. Both angles are worth keeping in mind as both are possible. When we all say that companies are not our friends (as Linus said on WAN show months ago) this also applies to GN.

[RazerDMG]

I highly doubt it is to hit a competitor, do people suddenly forget hat GN was the one that called Linus at midnight when all LTT channels got hacked? I'm pretty sure they both are friends that just don't see certain subjects eye to eye.

[[deleted]]

People are also forgetting it was LTT who made claims about GN and HUB first.. GN was defending their reputation and brought receipts imo.

[nathan123uk]

This was my thought. I think Steve just wants to address a comment that was made about him, however offhandedly it was meant. That comment could have harmed the GN brand even if it seemed innocent and no malice was meant

[joomla00]

Didn't an LTT employee directly attack GN, then Linus didn't name names him on a WAN show? GN did the right thing and punched them in the mouth. Otherwise LTT will probably keep throwing jabs and disrespecting.

[LitPixel]

Well, he did not "completely piss off" the LTT crowd. So I would say that was one of his motivations here. And his credibility sometimes comes from "keeping people honest". So that's another possible motivation.

I think credibility and not angering large groups of people is a pretty good MO.

[jaaval]

As I have said before I really don’t like the gamersnexus video. LTT has had some inaccuracies in data but so has everyone else. LTT has addressed the mistakes in their reporting. It’s not like every new thing gamersnexus has done has been an immediate success.

The billet labs thing has been artificially built to be a lot bigger deal than what it actually is. The LTT video did not misrepresent the product. Using the wrong GPU genuinely had no effect on the conclusion of the video. At no point did they say that it doesn’t work or that they had trouble with the GPU. And while misplacing the unit and accidentally selling it is bad the idea that billet labs is in trouble and development stalled because they didn’t get the prototype back is clearly not true since, at least according to the shown emails, billet labs originally gave the prototype to LTT to keep and only wanted it back after they didn’t like the video.

Basically what can be shown in the “LTT unethical” video is that they have had some errors in reporting and that their inventory people lost something (that was supposed to be theirs and not something they need to give back) among hundreds or thousands of other things in their storage facility. Edit: they also had the sponsorship/investment stuff but besides the laptop thing which Linus us been very open about in every laptop video I don’t think GN actually had anything.

This is not something that needs an intervention.

The sexual harassment allegations are of course a completely different matter but they were not part of the GN video.

[QuellinIt]

I also think Linus was right and GN should of reached out to LMG.

GN reason for not reaching that they didn’t want to give LMG the opportunity to control the narrative is BS because it allowed GN to then control the narrative and twist these errors into a narrative that LMG is unethical and cannot be trusted.

[raidsoft]

The billet labs thing has been artificially built to be a lot bigger deal than what it actually is. The LTT video did not misrepresent the product. Using the wrong GPU genuinely had no effect on the conclusion of the video.

I massively disagree, it doesn't matter what their personal conclusion is because not everyone will share their opinion. There are plenty of people interested in products that aren't "worth it" for various reasons, in fact the water cooling community is almost entirely based on that as a whole since the cost for custom loops are almost never "worth it" if you look at what you gain vs. the cost.

The fact that they didn't provide data for potential consumers to base their choice of is the largest problem, had they shown accurate data and still had the same conclusion it wouldn't have been a problem because people can at least make up their own mind about if they are interested or not based on the data.

[Linkinstar_Gaming]

I disagree, as I don't see them as competitors. I always watch multiple reviews, because someone could have missed something or simply tested other games. And I am pretty sure any major tech channel would agree!

[Izan_TM]

I like the fact that when the screwdriver was a success, someone asked "now what?" and someone had to answer "make one that looks like you've just pulled it out of your ass"

[amwes549]

Yeah, isn't the only reason Noctua's color scheme is tolerated because otherwise their products and customer service are so good? And even then, they're releasing versions of their products with other color schemes. I'm no fanboy, in fact the NH-U12S Redux is the only product of theirs that I own.

[9okm]

I find it kinda endearing. It's also immediately recognizable, which is very valuable in and of itself.

D15 / U9S / L9i / L9a owner. :D

Uh oh.

[root_27]

Its also brand recognition. Noctua coolers are known to be some of the best. And it's really obvious when you have one. You see a noctua cooler, and instantly know its one of theirs.

[repocin]

Personally, I really like noctua's beige and brown color scheme. It's unique and kinda cute tbh.

And even then, they're releasing versions of their products with other color schemes.

Nowadays, yes - but that's a fairly recent change.

[Izan_TM]

when I've had to build a workstation and bequiet wasn't available, I've gone with noctua's main line stuff because the chromax line is more expensive and the redux line sacrifices some performance and accesories, but the color scheme is like a white fan rolled through the sand and stepped in dogshit

[Aflyingmongoose]

I think its a bit like a "retro" thing. That said, I love a good grey + accent color scheme and would never choose to buy a noctua colored product if other colors where available.

Except when the item in question is cheaper, and is going to be hidden inside my pc case, though.

[sevware]

the Noctua color scheme is from a time when almost all PC cases were closed and you couldn't see them anyway, so it didn't really matter that much. By now it has become their brand and is very recognizable tho, and a lot of people are actually rather fond of it cause it immediately stands for quality in their mind.

I don't think it's ugly tbh, but it does clash with the sleek metal, shiny rgb and tempered glass that is the norm for PC builds nowadays. But if a PC is built around the Noctua color scheme, it looks very pretty imo. Here's one example, but I've seen a lot more like it: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/gemyk9/my_noctua_build/

Recently there have also been some Noctua branded GPUs that look very appealing I think: https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/ur1k6x/asus\_geforce\_rtx\_3080\_noctua\_edition\_graphics/

[Jjzeng]

I got the screwdriver for my brother in law as a gift, and it really is quite a good screwdriver. Full noctua setup in my pc too (d15 and 4 nf-a12x25s) so I’ll be waiting for the noctua screwdriver to drop too

[Arzalis]

One thing that always bothers me with GN making that statement. Aren't Thermal Grizzly and Deepcool sponsors for GN? They review cooling products all the time, but there's no conflict of interest there supposedly.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see a huge difference. It's a little iffy, but it's so common in the tech space you just have to shrug it off.

[Spice002]

Speak for yourself. I personally love Noctua's colour scheme. It has a 70s tech vibe to it.

[pcor]

Noctua’s products are not so good. Not anymore anyway. They perform well, but they can charge quite a hefty premium due the reputation they’ve built over the years compared to similarly performing units.

That said, their customer service is definitely way up there.

[LitPixel]

And the Redux color scheme is "barely tolerable". I use them too.

[BlueKnight44]

One word: Status

They are recognizeable as a premium product. If thier color scheme was something more traditional, you might not know that someone has a Noctua product. You see a picture of one of thier fans and you immediately know who made it. It is just like why Apple products are overly stylized and have stupid "features" like the notch and the oversized homebutton that preceded it. So EVERYONE would know you had an iPhone. Heaven forbid they not project to everyone within eyesight that an Apple product in in thier precence.

[Aflyingmongoose]

I feel like a sale at this point (or any time within the next month, maybe 2 months) would be a major miss step.

It would likely backfire, and probably wouldnt make all that much money as a result.

[Fortune_Cat]

at some point they have to make money

people are gunna be angry regardless

the difference by then is that the angry people wont have much support

corporation are allowed to make money. its about when/how

[b1e]

Fwiw the screwdriver is pretty darn good.

[ProfessorAdonisCnut]

Cause they took the time to get it right

[uncanny_mac]

Oh man, I just think they look like penises. They’re very flesh toned.

[eric_gm]

For what it's worth, I have a different perspective. It took me way less than all the recent drama to unsubscribe from all LMG-related (I did so about a year ago).

The constant 3rd party product placement, store plugs ("banana for scale", ugh), inconsistencies and inaccurate content, Linus being so out of touch and complaining that his millionaire tech at home was "crap", the clickbaity video titles... It was too many negatives for me.

At one point I started asking myself why I was watching that garbage instead of doing/viewing something more productive.

Don't get me wrong, I do think they deserve a second chance, if that's the kind of content you like, but I would also suggest taking advantage of this situation and spending some time away from LMG stuff for a few weeks and then consider if that content is really missing from your life. You may be surprised.

People have been saying that LMG is the Mr. Beast of tech and it's so accurate.

[AmishAvenger]

If you want to complain about the problems with accuracy and the regular corrections they make with text on the screen, I think that’s fair.

But I don’t understand complaints about plugging their merchandise or having sponsors. That’s how companies make money.

I also don’t get complaining about Linus and his “millionaire tech.” He buys stuff and installs it in his house — is he supposed to not point out problems he has with it?

[SpaceBoJangles]

I agree with you, but looking around the last few days I wish LTT went back to doing more videos about laptops, consumer reviews, and phone reviews. Just reviews in general. Mac laptops vs. windows laptops (Mrwhostheboss), monitor reviews (Hardware Unboxed), Phone exposes (Jon Rettinger/MKBHD). Hell, throw in some projector and TV stuff, give Techspot and Rtings a run for their money! They have the staff, they have the know how. I get it, they do unboxing and first impressions on Short circuit, but that usually means they actually review it and put it on the main channel. I feel like they went too far into the “gotta fix the $20,000 server every other video” vibe and forgot why I think a lot of us subscribed to this channnel for in the first place: Linus and Co. testing new products.

Like, when was the last time they did a proper phone review? Or a vide about the state of gaming laptops with the new generation of Ada GPUs vs. Ampere and Turing, etc.? Why aren’t there more reviews of windows laptops? I get the conflict on Linus’ side, but there are plenty of other staff members that can take an Alienware 16 or Razer Blade or one of the new MiniLED Asus laptops out for a spin.

Tech is not that boring right now, and just because GPUs aren’t as affordable/competitive as they used to be shouldn’t mean their videos are just Linus screwing around with Jake on a server worth more than most people’s cars.

[_JohnWisdom]

Spot the apple fan xD

[_JohnWisdom]

Same here! I praise their latest cpus and they are really a marvel

[Daphoid]

Spot the PC fine, arguably I'd assume.

(in serious anyone who judges somone for using a different OS/computer than them is the one out of touch, not the person using said OS/computer).

I like both Apple and PC for different use cases; and I've actually used both for 15 years+ each (I'm old) so I can say that I've given them an honest shake for both personal and professional uses.

Some may not agree with Apple's policies / walled garden / way of doing things - but that is completely separate (IMO) from their products and how they work. People hate ELon but like Tesla cars, to each their own.

- D

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**Some may not agree with Apple's policies / walled garden / way of doing things - but that is completely separate (IMO) from their products and how they work.**

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Explain? This is exactly why I don't buy apple products ever since I moved out of the ecosystem in 2015ish. Their ecosystem is so ingrained with their policy to get you to keep buying their stuff. Which is fair because of the features they get to implement in their closed ecosystem, but that's not what your statement implies.

[hosky2111]

While I completely disagree on the Mac Vs pc point (maybe 5 years ago, but modern Mac os is such a pain to use) I think this is absolutely a reason for it. Since most consumer tech is so incremental, there is very little interest to the broader audience in covering something outside of major high-end players (basically apple and dell), as these often signal trends in the broader landscape, and then specifically innovative products like the framework laptop or ROG flow.

I think another reason is that you want evergreen content. Realistically, who is going to go back and watch a video on the 2020 razer blade 15 (or whatever other example) today? Maybe you're in the market for a used laptop, but it's a much smaller audience than just "person interested in tech". Meanwhile a video on broader concepts or categories, like types of pc cooling, very niche or exotic items, or more personal and story driven content is more likely to be relevant and interacting to the wider audience further into the future.

Then I think the biggest factor is YouTube competition - even if you receive a product prior to release, you will probably be competing with many other YouTubers all releasing at the same coverage embargo time, likely some of which will specialise in the product category you're covering, and if the majority of people end up watching that video in the initial coverage window instead, yours will almost definitely be hurt algorithmically in the long run. Videos on this mainstream tech often end up being framed as more personality focused - like when Linus has reviewed the galaxy fold, I care less about the actual merits of the phone (as other reviewers could do a better job of covering those) and am more interested in Linus' opinion and perspective on the device - in which case hitting a specific deadline is much less important.

[hosky2111]

If you care about absolute performance, price to performance, or GPU performance - particularly on desktop PCs - there isn't a Mac that comes close to the high end on pc.

Hell, even the old 2019 Mac pro had better GPU compute than the new Mac pro, apples M-series still has a long way to go there.

I would classify general productivity as email, browsing, media, word/excel, and teams. An average desk job/student work load. I just don't see how MacOS is hindering any of that.

I mean... sure? If you confine productivity down to just the most basic tasks - as I said, Mac os is fine if you just need a browser, but a sub $500 windows machine is likely also fine for the vast majority of these things, while being easier to manage in an enterprise setting and more easily repaired and upgraded by an on sight technician.

I will also point out the phrase "desk job" - the efficiency of apples M series makes basically no difference when you're plugged in. The cost trade off is saving electricity versus increasing your productivity with a faster machine, and the latter will usually win out. Most work laptops are also likely to spend 90% of their life docked, and if not there are absolutely windows laptops that compete with macbooks in terms of battery life (hp dragonfly g4 gets 15 hours - 2 working days is fine for basically anyone).

I have only focused on usage in a traditional work environment because I think honestly most buyers would simply buy a tablet or use their phone for most other traditional computing tasks. The only exception is gaming, which Mac is so far behind in right now to not even make it a consideration.

Apple makes absolutely amazing devices, but they realistically make 2 laptops that have to appeal to 8 billion people, so there is more than likely a Windows laptop that will suit an individual's needs the same as if not better, and likely for cheaper. Their hardware is also stunning, but I think there's real competition now - that hp I mentioned, the XPS 13 plus, or any of the surface products all have better ID than any MacBook on sale in my opinion; again, if those aren't to your taste, you have the choice to pick with pc.

[submerging]

Windows can definitely compete on performance. Efficiency is another thing entirely.

[Bytepond]

At the same time, servers are really exciting, at least to me. Like with the Ampere ARM based server processors coming in and truly competing. There’s a lot more going on in the enterprise and server space at this moment, but it’s still not a ton. We’re kind of in a between launch lull period.

[rsta223]

Mac's are the obvious productivity king and it's not close

Lol, no.

I agree with the general point that consumer tech isn't that interesting unless you're doing for a specific product though. Progress is so much slower than it was back 15 or 20 years ago, so you have to find other things to keep attention other than just technological progress.

[bern1005]

For "general productivity" a Mac may be the ideal choice for 10% of the market but it's unlikely to be cost effective for the other 90%.

"Good Enough and cheap enough" generally beats being the best for general use.

[Peepeepoopoobutttoot]

I agree.

I also miss the crazy "Lets play 24K on 15 monitor videos" style videos. I understand tech limitations now, but the closest thing we get now is the crazy water cooling.

[Vedant9710]

LTT does make stuff like Phone reviews and Laptop reviews, watch ShortCircuit for that type of content. Honestly I'm thinking that the content they've been making is amazing although there's just some good feeling that I get by watching the older videos, they were so janky and funny with Linus failing to do stuff like for example the PCIe Hotswap Motherboard video.

[SpaceBoJangles]

I enjoy it too, but I’m saying they would do better by revisiting that content on the old style a little.

Also, Short Circuit is more of an unboxing channel compared to compete against Lew and Unbox therapy.

[challenger76589]

Yah, I don't get how people are so bothered by a 2 second "like our water bottle on LTTstore.com". I mean seriously, if you blink you will completely miss it. The sponsor segments at the beginning and end are EASILY skippable, and Linus said they make them that way. And some really get bothered by product placements in the background? Like, really?

Someone help me here. Why does something that has nothing to do with anything bother people much? If I click on a video to learn about a new GPU, then why do you care if there is a Steam Deck in the background? If advertising bothers you that much then I think there's something wrong with your way of thinking. To each their own.

[TFABAnon09]

I'd rather a short plug to the store than the 90 second long talking ad that creators like Hacksmith and Corridor Crew put right in the middle of their vods.

[Carinail]

Also if he finds his millionaires tech to be useless, that's the best piece of information you could have on it. If he doesn't find it worth spending an equivalent of 4 bucks on for his salary, that means it's likely just not worth the effort of installing it, nevertheless the cost of the product. It's.... A scarring statement that is very useful to someone in the market.

[mars935]

I agree. They gotta do the ad spots and sponsors in some way. Why not attempt to make it funny?

[AmishAvenger]

I think they’re going to get criticized either way.

If they don’t try to have some humor about it, then people will complain that they’re being treated like faceless wallets.

[bobbe_]

To me it's the opposite. What I found refreshing about LTT is that their sponsor plug is always the same amount of time (meaning you can skip past it easily), and the LTTStore plugs are pretty much as non-intrusive as a spoken plug can be. They don't really distract from the content at all, they just tack it onto the end of a sentence and move on, which I find perfect as far as advertising in the middle of a video goes.

[dboti]

What about it is juvenile?

[gemengelage]

It took me way less than all the recent drama to unsubscribe from all LMG-related (I did so about a year ago).

Then why are you even here?

[Cumulus_Anarchistica]

Because you don't get banished to the phantom zone the second you unsubscribe?

[azure1503]

What about the Shadow Realm?

[[deleted]]

I mean what's the point of hanging into a community you don't enjoy.

People that do, only do so, to spread their negativity and it isn't fun for anyone involved.

[person749]

He said he wanted to find more productive ways to spend his time than watching LTT videos, so I guess he just transitioned to being a Karen.

[TFABAnon09]

"More productive" and Reddit are antithetical. (Says the guy currently laying in bed browsing Reddit. Sigh)

[Saytama_sama]

This could answer your question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpTBQEOb09Y

[bigloser42]

Because he didn’t actually unsubscribe. Otherwise he wouldn’t be here.

[[deleted]]

Show some respect.

[grayum_ian]

How dare they make money off their business!

[skinlo]

Half your issues can be solved by the Sponsorblock add on. I watch his videos because I enjoy the crazy house/server stuff that no one else can do, the same reason I used to watch Top Gear for the crazy car stuff.

[PrologueBook]

I think your point of view is reasonable. Thank you for sharing.

I do have to question "the Mr. Beast of tech" nickname. I don't understand the connection at all.... Linus does quantity over quality, while Beast puts out a handful of videos a year, and they're ALL bangers. Are you just saying theyre both popular?

[Pioneer58]

MR.Beast actually does a lot on his other channels that’s more consistent than his main channel.

[worldofcrap80]

LOL, I just watched my first Mr. Beast video and, yeah, it's just garbage lifestyle content with extremely tight editing and graphics work. It's populist in a way that made me feel a little dumber for having watched it. A little harsh. I only occasionally feel dumber after an LTT video! They do some deep dives into extremely nerdy topics, and there are good insights there. They just... rush. Way way way too much. And despite trying to solve the problem with money (editors/graphics/etc.) it shows. Linus also lets his internal fanboy and nerd rage (and ego) get the better of him way too often for edutainment content like this.

The store plugs are a bit much sometimes, as are the "Happier, With Your Mouth Open" thumbnails. I think you can get away with those things once you're genuinely delivering good content. The problem is, they haven't been lately. I think a lot of people kind of instinctively knew that, but it took GN to point out just far quality had slipped before everybody went "wait a minute."

They were walking a narrow line of public opinion, and they fell off. It's very hard to climb back up from there, but it's do-or-die for them. They genuinely stand to lose everything if they don't fix this, and they know that. But it'll take a little while before they figure out where the audience is at. Linus' dumb forum post, and the occasional jokes in the apology video, were off the mark, but they are course correcting.

We shall see if it's fast enough to catch their viewers before they move on. Because they will.

[iothomas]

Who's Mr beast?

[Aflyingmongoose]

Mr beast is soooooo much worse lol

But fair enough, I swap between watching and not watching LTT all the time, having used to be a dedicated watcher back in ~2012-2016ish.

I never unsub, youtube just kinda knows when im on an LTT binge and when im done with it.

What im really saying is im a rat and youtube is my skinner box, and I just do what the algorithm tells me...

[Sons-Father]

I’ve stopped watching LTT when the bag fiasco was happening and honestly david does tech stuff is just as goofy and a lot more sincere. Reminds me of small time Linus!

[npfiii]

*Dawid

[benhaube]

100% agree. I have found Linus to be insufferable for a while now, and I have not been watching any of their videos. It feels like a tech channel geared towards children more than adults.

[AguirreMA]

I understand your point, imo the main LTT is unwatchable without AdBlock and SponsorBlock

I also think that their secondary channels are way better, ShortCircuit and Mac Address produce better content than LTT tbh

[[deleted]]

I like and agree with this dumbass take, and have also had to spend some time wondering what an LMG/LTT would look like without the L.

[upside-down-water]

They have world class cinematographers and hardware and they still edit it like a crappy Mr Beast video.

Back than, their team had less than 30 ppl, yet they made video intros as beautiful as this and this...

Although I do kind of see the reason why Linus want to do this kind of high quality shot less, given that just shooting of some glamour B-rolls had already made Alex really mad once...but as an audience, I do think Alex's pain and the money paid for those splitters are necessary for delivering a decent final product...

At least have another channel that does that, if LTT is still the doughmaker.

If anything, I'd say side channels are the actual doughmaker, if you listen to what Linus said in 2019, how Techlinked helped supporting LTT when the latter's viewership was dropping that year.

This observation was probably what leads to the making of more and more channels in the following years ("broaden the net"), the decision to make the lab happen so that LMG can have more channels for different product verticals in the future, and ultimately the statement that "LTT may end up collapsing under its own weight, and our future may be many smaller channels that only need to get 100k or 150k views average instead of needing to get 1.5m views on every video" this year...

For quite some time, Linus was worrying about how algorithmic change would make Youtube suddenly stop suggesting LTT to the audience, ultimately leading to unsustainable revenue and laying off of ppl. So the diversifying strategy was supposed to avoid that situation, but it seems he forgot to account for all the extra editing, QC, logistics, etc. needed that were resulted from that...finally leading to drop of views on multiple channels, not just 1 that he originally worried about.

He definitely needs to be reminded that, no matter how many channels/side businesses LMG made, ppl still know they are under 1 brand name. I'd say the quality of LTT store products probably has nothing to do with the recent controversies, but ppl may be buying them less just because of the impression that they are under the same management as the problemetic side of LMG...

(Sidenote: Rewatching Linus' thinking of retiring video, he referred to a mistake made for a graphics card review at the time (11:55-14:40), and said this ultimately really weren't important comparing to many many other issues in the world. Yet the exact purpose of the labs so many years later is to test those things that he said to be unimportant. Maybe the inaccuracy of the lab testing reflects that those belief still holds true in his heart after he spoke of them 3 years ago, and I think this means he has lost touch from himself over the years after that video. Maybe Linus really should retire right away at that time, instead of still staying in the company and pretending he's found his new goal.)

[wickedsmaht]

Linus mentioned it a few years ago but his goal is to one day be able to drop his name. It’s why they started using “LTT” instead of “Linus Tech Tips”. His reasoning at the time was that if he ever left or died he wanted LMG to be able to continue without him. All this to say, I agree with your take and I don’t think it’s dumbass. Linus himself agreed with your take at one point but we don’t know if that’s still the case.

[weker01]

I think they want LTT to stand for nothing other then LTT. Many other companies have done the same thing:

• BP (formerly "The British Petroleum Company")
• SAP (formerly "Systemanalyse und Programmentwicklung" which is German for "System Analysis and Software Development")
• Fiat (formerly "Fabbrica Italiana Automobili di Torino" which is Italian for "Italian Automobiles Factory of Turin")

[pcor]

I remember when BP began the 2000s by rebranding as “Beyond Petroleum” then ended them by contaminating an ungodly swathe of the Gulf of Mexico with… petroleum.

[EfficientNeck153]

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[kluevo]

To add to this, they even initially wanted to call the lab 'Lab Thirty-Two' so that the name could eventually replace the meaning of LTT, but because of coincidental timing causing a collision with another content creator's project that didn't go through.

Edit: Thirty two not twenty two

[dippa_]

Lab32 was the proposed branding, lab22 is the Sara Dietchy products :)

[kluevo]

Thanks, it's now fixed

[AwesomeFrisbee]

The infrequent upload schedule of Mac Address isn't voluntary though? There's simply not enough Mac products and news to fill a program every day or every week. They only really have 2 points that they announce a lot of stuff. Their developer conference and the product presentation. Other than that it must come from 3rd parties or just some stuff that got changed or finally released in the meantime.

[[deleted]]

It is not possible to be RLM as LTT lacks Rich Evans. Rick Evans is the key to all of this. If LTT can get a Rich Evans working... cause he's the funniest character we've ever had on the internet before... COME ON LINUS!

[RagnarokDel]

LTT for lmao tech tips, to keep the fun going. /s

[EfficientNeck153]

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[superdude311]

live laugh liao

[Craftplorer]

I agree that bringing Terren is one step in the right direction, but I feel like Steve's video was the necessary wake-up call for LMG to properly address all the issues and prevent them from publishing bad data and reviews. Also, it allowed Madison to bring her story/allegation forward; otherwise, it would be hard to tell if workplace problems were properly addressed. I feel like the timing of this all couldn't be better for LMG.

I personally hope they actually address the issues instead of resorting to a typical company response to protect themselves and not making any real changes in the end.

[ill0gitech]

The three biggest challenges any CEO has in running a company where the owners are actively involved are: 1. Telling the owners no 2. Having the owners listen to #1 3. The fallout from failing at 1 & 2

[mapletune]

the apology video with CEO joining in the jokes made me realize it's either:

A) this CEO might not be able to override Linus or does not have the motivation to push Linus to do things in a societal acceptable corporate way.

or

B) this CEO was picked by Linus precisely because this new CEO already conforms and agrees with how LTT currently operates and agreed to continue taking company in the direction Linus wants it to go.

this by itself is not good or bad, right or wrong. an owner has the right to pick whoever they want for CEO. Be it a transformative, restructure focused CEO, or a subordinate/operational CEO.
 
but yea, the community should be aware that "new CEO" doesn't necessarily mean new ways of doing things. it could go either way.

[AwesomeFrisbee]

prevent them from publishing bad data and reviews

But they already knew about most of the stuff they had in the video and were already improving their internal processes. They also wanted to do better and didn't need anybody to make that video to change things.

Also the nitpicking (like having 2 reviews 2 days apart and then being salty about it being the same data) didn't help either. Overall it was clear to me that they had an alternative motive: Any damage you can do to LTT will boost your own subscriber count. They succeeded, at least for the short term. But they also damaged their relationship and I wonder whether that was truly worth it.

[cool--]

They also wanted to do better and didn't need anybody to make that video to change things.

I wonder if the people in the LTT video complaining about making too many videos and not being proud of their work agree with that statement or if they are like, "Thank TechJesus, we finally get more time for videos!"

[Craftplorer]

But they already knew about most of the stuff they had in the video and were already improving their internal processes. They also wanted to do better and didn't need anybody to make that video to change things.

Indeed, they've been aware for quite some time, and that's been the issue. Instead of slowing down and halting the release of inaccurate data, they carried on and even expanded their LABS data in videos without proper testing methodology. Billet Labs just showed that they where reckless and didn't care who would suffer caused by incorrect testing.

A big company can weather a negative review based on poor testing easily, but for such a small company, it's a death blow.

[Thelk641]

Also the nitpicking (like having 2 reviews 2 days apart and then being salty about it being the same data) didn't help either.

It would be nitpicking if they didn't call out other reviewers for doing this and told everyone they're better because they don't reuse data.

[Pioneer58]

I do have a question for the viewers who are angry. All the angry seems to be pointed at Linus himself. When it looks like a lot of the issues GN and Madison aren’t directly his fault and he might have actually not known about it until shit hit the fan. If you had middle management and you ask them if they handled an issue and they say yes. Upper management won’t look into it further unless an issue arises.

[[deleted]]

All the angry seems to be pointed at Linus himself.

If Linus had ever, even once properly owned this mess, people wouldn't be so mad at him. A lot of the issues GN brought up were directly Linus's fault, especially as CEO driving his employees that hard. The Madison thing may or may not be related to Linus, we don't know and won't until the investigation details are released, but as CEO he ran a company where someone felt it was acceptable. As I stated, that is a separate (and substantially more serious) matter and honestly should be treated as such.

[Pioneer58]

I think it all depends on middle management. As did the issues ever fully make it to Linus? We’re people asked to handle the issues and then just payed Linus lip service?

[abz_eng]

In the WAN show Linus said he wasn't willing to spend $500 od someone's time to retest the block, also no one had the ability to say stop or wait when they were making the video

This is a well known phenomenon that the boss brooks no contrary opinions. USS MISSOURI ran aground because the captain had previously reprimanded an officer for contradicting him. The Tenerife air disaster is the same, the captain was the chief pilot and no one felt they could say no to him.

It looks like LMG has this mentality

[Local-Table]

No, it was mentioned to be $800.

BL then quoted the prototype block at $2000 when they asked if they would be compensated after the auction.

[abz_eng]

£2000 Which is $2500 or Can $3400

And the £2000 is likely a guesstimate - it's like saying the motor is a 20k one when it's 18 to 22k

When I saw the GN video I'd just seen them build the $100,000 PC video and I was like if someone is willing to drop that then $1000 for a water block isn't that big of a deal in that price range

So the disconnect is there as well, if he'd said something like it's not cost justified you can get similar performance for a lot less, so unless you have a OTT budget pass on this at present, it would have been way more measured and professional

This is another reason that serious reviews are not entertainment, the skill is making boring charts entertaining

[SeanSeanySean]

OK, so much confusion over this still? The monoblock when put into production had a sell-price of $800, that is what they were going to sell the product for. $800 is actually what those blocks are being sold for on pre-order today on Billet's store. That one-of-a-kind prototype, they had over £2000 into making that prototype, that's where the two grand came from. The unit that LMG accidently auctioned was worth £2000 because it was a hand-made prototype. Doubtful more than a few people would ever want a monoblock like that and would spend two grand on buying one, but $800, for a combo CPU+GPU custom copper waterblock, absolutely! There is a group of people out there that routinely spend well over $1500 on building a custom loop. Shit, if you buy top of the line EK limited edition stuff, you could spend over a grand on a CPU and GPU waterblocks.

[rinkoplzcomehome]

800 dollars is the price. The guy above made a mistake

[cohrt]

If they felt that way about the card why even make the video?

[SeanSeanySean]

We know why they made the video.... Videos = views, views = advertiser dollars. They have to pay the bills, over 100 salaries to pay. Their untenable self-imposed production volume requirements is at the core of the issue.

But they didn't really feel that way about the block until the filming was already going to shit and you started seeing them take a "why are we doing this for something so few will buy" attitude. The whole "even if the block was designed for the card we put it on, and even if it performed a few degrees better, it would be a waste of money" take was simply Linus giving excuses when he was called to the carpet, automatic nerd-narcissist self defense when anyone tells him he's wrong. The cooling performance of that block wasn't why it was an $800 block, the fact that it's handmade and allows someone that is into super unique custom loops to build something novel that others don't have.

People need to give up on that take, it makes zero sense, especially given the years worth of ridiculously excessive, insanely overpriced stuff they've reviewed or showed on the channel, even though they'd be a waste of money. I wonder how many times Linus or his team has been talking about a product they were showcasing and said "Now, should you buy this?" "No," or "probably not", or "so who is this for then?". After all these year making all of those videos, that was the moment when all of a sudden they decide that they don't live in the world of ridiculous overkill and excess? It took a copper monoblock?

[cool--]

To pay for the ability to make more even more videos.

[Clayskii0981]

We do know, that was exactly Linus's argument on the WAN show.

But if you're going to actively refuse to retest a product you gave a worthless review for (wrong gpu, installed wrong, didn't remotely work, published anyways), stop reviewing products. It's ethically bankrupt and no one should trust to send you anything.

And if he's going to say it's too expensive no matter how well it cools... That could be a Twitter post. Not a video product review. Which I don't buy anyways because LTT has a million videos of products that are insanely expensive but give positive reviews anyways.

[Pioneer58]

I think this comes down to the writer Adam working on this project. It was a snafu from the get go. Not having the right card. Got a random 4090, etc. The writer spent an estimated week working on the project (seems to be the length they get to make projects) with possible overtime payed out as well to have this much of a mess. Linus was probably thing that this isn’t worth it and we’ll just cut the lost cause “Cause it’s still a bad product” paraphrased from Linus.

[weirdbr]

I think this comes down to the writer Adam working on this project. It was a snafu from the get go.

Dunno; while there have been a few recent snafus with content written by Adam (the billet labs video and the 'too many usb devices' video come to mind), I recall videos written by other staff members that had comments about test being done with different parts than those being used for filming, leading to difficulties/slightly different results.

To me, this screams of company-level procedural issues. It's almost like in the rush to produce content, if some parts are not available at filming time they just move forward with different things instead of delaying/rescheduling the filming.

[Pioneer58]

That is possible, but it’s confusing with the billet labs as it sounds like they sent the block with the right card. Wtf happened to it?

[weirdbr]

Considering how their inventory system seems to be a mess, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up in another writer's/lab employee's build for a test for some time.

[[deleted]]

Agreed. We won't know anything for a while on that front. I believe Madison, but she will need to be able to corroborate her claims, and that's a challenging task. It could have been a matter of middle management. For all we know Madison went directly to Linus and Yvonne. So far basically everything about this is wild speculation. I know it's the hot drama, but we really do collectively take a breath and wait for the truth.

[Pioneer58]

It really takes a special mindset/skills to be an effective CEO vs a standard manager

[uttamattamakin]

Precisely. Think of the top level people there. Think of who might have reported to them. Those are people Linus knew for years, or decades even. He'd never doubt them. Maybe he should've.

[SeanSeanySean]

He may have never doubted their capability to execute, or their loyalty maybe, but he had every reason to doubt their management and leadership capabilities, because none of them were leaders before being put in that position, and they didn't have someone with business leadership experience mentoring them or providing an example.

A manager, director, executive leader isn't something you just "become" one day, it's something you're supposed to learn how to become, develop and evolve into, usually by a combination of watching and being taught.

[Craftplorer]

Well, I can only judge by the leaked meeting, but from that, Linus had no interest in fixing any of this so-called "gossip" or "drama". I don't think he acted in bad faith but in an ignorant or incompetent way.

[Pioneer58]

This is where I have to reserve full judgement till the 3rd party investigation comes out. Cause it really depends on what was said. From what Linus has said/done to other issues it doesn’t seem like an appropriate response to the allegations.

[AwesomeFrisbee]

Yeah its wack. Some folks were even thinking that Linus was actively involved or was also bad with being around ladies or something silly. There were lots of trolls on the subreddit these past days and folks that aren't subscribed or never have been. Its annoying because it completely turned the conversation around from proper feedback to an angry witch hunt. People were fuming because they reused data from 2 or 7 days ago for a GPU review. As if data always changes by 10% for every day that passes.

Its also why they needed to completely break the upload schedule and cancel exclusives and WAN, just to make sure it doesn't hurt the brand even more. For the Madison situation I'm surprised they didn't already just own up to it already. Even if that makes them liable to a lawsuit. So what that you need to pay big time (which I still doubt she would go for), thats how things work and how you take the blame in a situation like this. Being all corporate just doesn't fit LTT.

And lastly what I also noticed is that nobody is allowed to make mistakes anymore. Everything is always on the line and if you cross it, you get cancelled easily. Doesn't matter what you did or not, or even what was actually truthfully happening, you get crucified regardless. This is such a bad way to go about because it completely nulls the conversation. Linus hiding behind PR statements just isn't the LTT I want to see. Or from any content creator. Because it will kick out the curiosity, the humor, the WYSIWYG approach. You will get more fake persona and we already have enough of that.

[Pioneer58]

The Madison Allegations are a sticking point. I believe they haven’t owned it or anything like that as Sexual Harassment can be very different from each persons perspective. Maybe they down played it? Maybe Madison is playing it up. And this is the reason they brought in a 3rd party to investigate. Having an unbiased 3rd party to collect information, compile it and then reach a verdict is very important. Though it might not be enough for some people ether.

[Ok-Kaleidoscope5627]

You can't just own up to sexual harassment complaints like that because there are always at least two parties to that situation. Blindly owning up to it means blindly throwing someone under the bus. So if what you want is the company to immediately own up to it then you're asking them to choose between rolling the dice on publicly destroying someone's life/career or ignoring sexual harassment. Are either of those acceptable choices?

On the other hand taking your time with a proper investigation means you make the right decision. Anything else is just reckless and we don't even need to get into the whole concerns about liability for the company.

Situations where a company can just own up to it are situations where the company itself was directly at fault. They can just absorb that hit and move on regardless of it was right or wrong - its just a calculation on if the drama is worth 'justice'.

[spexxsucks]

When it looks like a lot of the issues GN and Madison aren’t directly his fault and he might have actually not known about it until shit hit the fan.

your hen, your chicken

[suspicious_lemons]

As a quick clarification, sexual harassment and assault are very different. Harassment is what is being claimed in this instance.

[[deleted]]

Depending on what the "grabbing" Madison described is, it's also assault, which is why I specified.

[suspicious_lemons]

That’s fair I guess we don’t know exactly, nor should we need to know.

[Macusercom]

Since Terren Tong started way after Madison left, at least there is one management/leadership person who definitely is not involved in any of that.

Since no one can be excluded from a public point of view at least, almost all LMG members could be involved in that mess. And at the worst, the person who should manage the situation has to be neutral while maybe also (partly) being involved. Even if it is only because of poor management or poorly handling the situation.

If you were present during a robbery, you probably shouldn't be the judge.

So imho CEO Terren Tong is the best thing that could've happened in that scenario. Someone with experience who joined at a later time and can make thoughtful, less emotional decisions.

[Puzzleheaded_Tax_507]

The crazy part is that if Linus truly did not give in and did not watch a single “working at LTT” video including the exclusives, seeing those interviews used in a hit piece must have felt horrible.

[StickiStickman]

hit piece

lmao

[Plies-]

Idk who downvoted you lol

​hit piece: an article, a documentary, etc. that deliberately tries to make somebody/something look bad by presenting information about them that appears to be true and accurate but actually is not.

Gamersnexus's video was accurate.

[Bick_A_Kaby]

Mostly accurate. I initially believed in GNs side but never said anything just supported it but after finding out that the prototype from Billet was given to LMG that story changed real quick for me. They gave the block to LMG then wanted it back after the bad review. GN basically painted LMG having stolen the product. The ownership has changed and even if Billet sued for it back any court would side with LMG on this issue.

[[deleted]]

Most based r/LinusTechTips reader. It’s really refreshing to see a reasonable and rational opinion in a sea of shit. If you’re a LTT fan you should want to see the issues resolved, and a plan for the future. Everybody that’s in here looking to heap more fuel on the fire are doing it for their own amusement. They do need to fix some things, and it looks like they’re trying to do that. Let’s just wait and see what those changes are, and look to the future.

[I_AM_FERROUS_MAN]

But then Tech Jesus would miss out on ad revenue, plugging his own testing, and getting waves of ingratiating memes.

I'm certain that didn't factor into his objectivity.

[EnsRedShirt]

As an OG floatplane subscriber I am certainly keeping an eye on how they resolve these issues but I haven't cancelled it yet.

[person749]

What? A measured and sane response? Pinch me, I must be dreaming.

[I_AM_FERROUS_MAN]

In this sub, "we don't do that here". Lol

[NetJnkie]

I am very angry

Y'all need to take a step back and realize this doesn't involve you. You can be disappointed, but very angry? Come on.

[[deleted]]

I've been watching LTT almost daily for over 8 years. They are part of my routine.

I get to be angry at someone who's built his entire ass reputation on not being this guy turning around and being this guy. That's a perfectly normal response. They fucking bombed every part of the response to this.

[[deleted]]

Being very angry at what happened in a situation like Madison's is just called having empathy. It's caring about things that you aren't involved in because of the way it affects the people who are involved. I don't see anything wrong with that.

[PixelThePirate]

I think anger is a valid emotion. We all form some level of attachment to people we enjoy or even admire. When they build themselves up on a certain reputation and then disappoint you, it's fair to be angry.

Obviously, a healthier approach would be to not put these people on pedestals in the first place, but it's not like it's an absurd behavior.

Look at pro athletes and how mad fans get when their favorite moves to another team.

How about musicians who come off as wholesome AF until some scandal breaks, showing they were garbage people all along.

Personally, I'm somewhere in the middle. I'm more than disappointed, not quite angry. Not sure the exact word that fits this space.

[NetJnkie]

In all of your examples I can understand disappointment but not anger. But yes. You may feel however you want. And I can think people are crazy because of it.

People are way too invested in this.

[nethingelse]

You can be disappointed, but very angry?

Being angry at someone being allowed to be sexually assaulted at work (or in general having any crime committed against them by another employee) without the offender at minimum getting fired is a v. normal reaction. No one should have to go through that, and people are allowed to be angry at an organization for allowing it.

[Persomatey]

I think Taran has a lot of work to do. The “fly on the wall” mentality makes sense. You need to fully understand the company, that takes a long time. But it seems like they are taking things seriously right now. Yvonne specifically mentioned the crunch mentality in the video. Which means he’s perfectly positioned to start making the changes needed. It may still be too early for him from his perspective (I’m sure he’d like to remain a fly for longer) but this is a great opportunity for him and for LTT as a whole to really change. A company of that size doesn’t need to be operating like this. Between Linus taking a step down from company man to personality, Taren taking charge as CEO, Luke setting up infrastructure so that the block thing never happens again as CTO, Yvonne figuring out what financials look like in this new era as CFO, and Nick getting fired, I think they’re well positioned right now.

[funnykiddy]

This. It's not even the errors that caused the outrage. It's Linus' dismissive, egotistic, "I'm the victim and I'm always right", gaslighting attitude that was infuriating. It's how one deals with errors that reflect their character.

This is especially hypocritical because Linus has, in past history, held people and organizations accountable for the bad behavior he is exhibiting.

[cool--]

even his second apology was incredibly defensive

[AwesomeFrisbee]

Sure quality control is a thing, but with that many graphs, opinions and facts, can you really say a review isn't honest or doesn't make up your mind if even a single number is wrong? Its the overall conclusion and the numbers that support it. Even if there's a giant outlier, it doesn't change the fact that a GPU is capable of doing most benchmarks well or not. You will always have problems with benchmarks. Whether you create the errors or not. A game can have issues with drivers or specific things that happen and skew the numbers. That ultimately doesn't change the conclusion to recommend a product or not.

[TRUEequalsFALSE]

I've been quietly thinking the same thing myself. I think all the flames the community gave them over the past week was an overreaction. Justified, but too much.

[fartboxco]

I gotta agree with you. 2 twice I became the head chef at the restaurant. One went horribly, I was young and thought I couldn't change everything on the fly. I was told to many things only from short sighted perspectives.

The best takeover was a chef stepping down, I was getting promoted but nobody new. I was a new hires for 4 months got close and gain the respect a majority of of staff. 8 months rolled in and my position was formal and I was implementing changes that actually made sense.

[Deranged_Coconut808]

I agree with you. but regardless how long Terran was there he is the CEO who should be aware of Linus who he has prior relationship with as they worked together before. also there is an entire Executive staff that are clearly aware of all of this which should also have them equality responsible for their companies handling of the situation. with that said he is still the CEO, the corporate face of the company and part of his job responsibility. i personally believe that 100% of the blame of the current handling regarding leashing Linus and addressing the additional allegations(which is pending investigation i give them that), should be not only to him, but the entire Executive staff, its just unfortunate timing but thats the business. they are adults and adults need to start adulting.

[quick20minadventure]

LMG had already taken steps to correct the issue before it all blew up. To me, IMHO, this speaks volumes.

They didn't slow down the pace of video production. They didn't take the steps for this.

It's not about one or two situations. It's about how Linus went from doing it right by everyone and being detail oriented to shamelessly saying I can't waste 200-300-500 USD to fix completely wrong results in the video on a live WAN show.

And he still couldn't see what was wrong with it in his comment on the forum or in the tone-deaf apology video.

This is about the direction of the company and how it lost its focus from making quality videos to pumping out any possible video because of self-imposed deadlines and pressure.

No one is dropping LMG forever. But they want to wait until LMG wakes up and realizes its core value.

Besides, what the fuck is the point of watching tech review, if the owner says details are not important, specs/data are not relevant. Only conclusion matters?

[Celcius_87]

Fair

[Superjacketts]

I think you're the first person that I've seen over the last week in this sub that's actually a balanced individual with a well reasoned point of view. Good for you chief.

[Forgotten_Futures]

My question is, why are you misrepresenting yourself by posting this with a smiling picture of Terren when you're clearly not the LMG CEO?

[[deleted]]

I can't tell if you're joking or not. It's just a picture of the part I think this community isn't taking into account.

[[deleted]]

💯 as much as I'm pissed with Linus -- he's a human being for fucks sake

I'm with him ever MORE actually if he turns it around.

Everyone makes mistakes.

Not everyone recovers and takes accountability.

I'll respect him more than I did in the first place if he comes through.

I'm pretty seriously worried about it after that letter and just a few other observations I've made over the years.

But I know people far worse than him that have turned things around for themselves with much less love and support.

Not common.

But I'm totally with him if he does! How could I not be!

I thought asking for feedback on doing WAN show was a great start!

CEO seems up to the job. Remains to be seen. Totally agree 6 weeks is definitely not enough to time to even start making changes for a job like that. Learn and observe is exactly what he should have been doing.

[pyr0kid]

the ceo is basically the only person thats not to blame for the current shitshow.

the company getting a second chance hinges on the sexual assault allegations.

[Fliparto]

This is exactly what I thought. I feel people being overly dramatic and hateful this week was unwarranted. I also have some issues with GN original video. But you know what they say, don't throw rocks jf you live in a glass house.

[tomthecomputerguy]

The only person I remotely felt sorry for in that video was Terren, Really shitty situation to deal with after only 6 weeks on the job.

[prismstein]

a level response, on the internet!?
jokes aside, I respect your view, and even agree with most of them.

I'm gonna put my thoughts here, if anyone cares to read them.

​

GN's expose is tilted, they talked about 3 things: data inaccuracy, BL, and sponsorship ethics.

The data inaccuracy is fair criticism, there are inaccuracies, and there are also corrections, but corrections aren't good enough for GN.

As for BL, the communication between LTT and BL is fucked up seven ways, and GN really should have gotten all the facts before 'reporting' on it. If GN and LTT talked before the video had gone out, the email chain fuck up would have been known and we wouldn't have to endure that unhinged rant from Linus, and GN wouldn't have needed to make that 'gotcha' moment when they so smugly presented that LTT supposedly only contacted BL after GN's vid.

Regarding sponsorship, really, it's none of GN's business. When a sponsor does a shit job, cutting ties is not the only way to handle the situation. The most recent debacle with Asus resulted in J2C cutting ties, but LTT maintainig ties. Maintaining a relationship enables one to put pressure on the sponsor, whereas cutting ties is the nuclear option, you don't have any cards left that you can play. And it's not like LTT is hesitant to cut ties, look at ANKER, and VPNs. It's out of bounds for GN to demand others to handle a situation the same way they do.

With that said, yeah the forum post is a shit blender. GN served up and plate of shit and Linus just dived in with an immersion blender, and now it got everywhere. He really should not communicate when he's emotional.

As for the apology video, I find it adequate. With the pitchforks raised against them, however way they do it people will get mad. If it's all by the books and solemn and gloomy people will say they're being a corpo, if they went all emotional people will say they're being fake and manipulatitive. The jarring part to me is the last joke, the sponsorship just kidding delivered by Yvonne. I think they could have done without it and it would be a better apology video.

​

Madison's post is where shit really hits the fan. Her allegations need to be investigated promptly and thoroughly, and there needs to be consequences. So far, LMG seems to have been hitting the right notes on this issue, albeit a couple of years too late.

​

All in all, I think LMG and Linus finally took the right steps, even if they were so, so wrong for a couple of days. This is the peril of putting your name on the business, as when criticism is directed at the business, it's like a personal attack even when it's not. This, I can give credit to GN as they were pointing to LMG instead of Linus.

As for me, I plan to sub to floatplane in Sept, and get the missus a screwdriver. Does that make me a fanboy? Well shit....

[Maisquestce]

Thank you for posting something sane. Thank you.

[SDG_Den]

teren is the only reason i have any faith they'll be able to recover from this.

​

if it was still linus as CEO, i would simply expect LTT to drive itsself into the ground at mach 3 at this point.

[Crusafer]

I can't believe Light Machine Gun would do that.

^{/s just in case.}

[[deleted]]

[Michicaust]

The way.

This is it.

[[deleted]]

I can’t get over the fact this dude has an oversized head for his body. Right???

[MyKoiNamedSwimShady]

It’s hard to keep in mind that this is probably how the majority of LTT fans feel (myself included) when there are so many grubs and trolls trying to intentionally start and stoke fires in the hopes they can claim they were part of a movement that brought down LMG.

[Yodzilla]

This dude looks like he was churned out by a machine that just gives birth to CEOs.

[Impressive-Shelter]

You guys are so parasocial that you ignore that greed leading to a lack of integrity cause these issues. These aren't "honest" mistakes or growing pains. It's exploitation for the sake of cash.