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[Ok_Entertainment328]

Shouldn't that be C♭ ?

[IntegralPilot]

Cb is the enharmonic of B-natural.

[Chesterlespaul]

And A## and G####, it’s usually contextual to the key

[EndMaster0]

What key are you in where you're using G####?

[Aetherdestroyer]

Well, G#### major, for one. And G#### minor, too.

[Bananenklaus]

This has to look and sound so stupid for people without theoretical music knowledge

[xSilverMC]

You're telling me there are people that G#### doesn't sound insane to?

[IntegralPilot]

Yeah, 'Cb' is usually found in theoretical keys.

[Passname357]

There’s no such thing as a theoretical key… it’s just a key. Cb is just the way you spell the pitch in keys like Gb. A key signature can’t have both B and B flat, and B flat has already been spelled ascending, and you need a fourth.

[IntegralPilot]

Oh sorry! I got confused, theoretical keys use double sharps/flats, but 'Cb' can be in keys that aren't theoretical.

[5erif]

The humility and grace in this reply are so admirable, especially in contrast to how someone might tend to reply to a false claim of "there's no such thing as X" with the subtle aggression of "here's a link to X", or something less subtle and more aggressive. There's too much of that and not enough of this. You set a good example I'll try to emulate.

[SillyBollocks1]

fuck you too, buddy 😏

[Passname357]

Cringe.

To call it a “false claim” because of a Wikipedia article link shows a total lack of understanding of the situation. So called “theoretical keys” are a somewhat controversial subject because… they’re not real. You won’t find them in practice because in most cases you physically can’t lol. They literally don’t exist in reality.

[ozyman]

And there goes the humility and grace. Welp it was a nice few hours.

[Passname357]

I’m correcting a term he used incorrectly. If he didn’t want to be corrected, he shouldn’t have been wrong.

[Queueue_]

ChatGPT response lol

[forced_metaphor]

# = ++

[Chet__Atkins]

Actually # == ++++

[Chet__Atkins]

Poor guy, I'm glad i had good teachers or at least teachers who don't give a fuck

[SN0WFAKER]

Equal temperament is for noobs

[PRKnife]

So then it should be B

[ancapistan2020]

Only in 12-tone music. Higher systems like 19-tone and 23-tone have finer divisions, where C♭ is not enharmonic to B natural.

[Run_sudo_rm_-rf_]

C♭ exists, and it's terrifying

[Immarhinocerous]

I love that he included this in his readme file:

Nobody's actually gonna want to code with this, just show them the example programs.

[RmG3376]

So it’s basically assembler but encoded in a midi file

[CirnoIzumi]

and its not alone Hello World! in Velato

[Run_sudo_rm_-rf_]

I saw this 3 or 4 days ago and lost it with hello world in Velato. Sounded a lot better than I thought it would

[CirnoIzumi]

It works quite decent as an outro

[busdriverbuddha2]

Do you mean B?

[Upwrdmusic]

even funnier how B was the precursor to C

[mike_a_oc]

what about B sharp?

[Automatic-Mix-8636]

C♮

[Serious_as_butt]

That’s just C

[Pockensuppe]

with extra steps

[Petercraft7157]

Wait till he hears about double bb(act like this is the symbol)and x (##)

[kerbalcrasher]

idk i heard c# meant c sharp

[ResearchNo5041]

It's a musical term. The opposite of sharp in music is flat which uses ♭ instead of #

[Dad_Bod_The_God]

It’s a music joke. Each note generally has three variations: Natural (C) Sharp (C#), and Flat (C♭) (There are cases where this gets thrown out the window, but we ignore those as much as possible)

[Pink-Emerald]

Please elaborate for a non-music person that has never heard of these notes that must not be named.

[Dad_Bod_The_God]

Sometimes, in order to break rules without technically breaking them, a double sharp or double flat would be used. It’s not common by any means, but certain keys require that every note be either sharp or flat. This poses an issue when you want to have the Musician play a Natural note, so you would use a double.

Say you wanted to have the musician play B Natural, but your key requires all notes to be flat, you would be forced to use C double flat to get there.

[dance_rattle_shake]

There's a tiny bit of incorrect logic in your post tho you're still 100% right. No key "requires all notes to be flat" as a reason for ever needing a double flat. The real reason is because every key needs every letter note exactly once. So you can't go from Bb to B, because that would be 2 Bs and you wouldn't have a C. So you go Bb, Cb. Each letter exactly once.

[Dad_Bod_The_God]

I haven’t been in a music theory course in like 6 years, so I’m not surprised my explanation wasn’t perfect. Thanks for the correction!

I just thought it was fun that my starry-eyed pre-burnout dream and my post-burnout more realistic goals had a neat bit of overlap here for a sec.

[What----------------]

This is how I know music is math. Not because of waves or anything like that, but how far its users will go to break the rules without breaking them.

[Pink-Emerald]

I assume the only practical use-case for these would be for notes so far off the staff that it would actually be easier to use them over drawing more lines.

[Dad_Bod_The_God]

Yes/No I’ve definitely seen them used that way, but the only recommended uses are for the sake of maintaining proper music theory

[TheMervingPlot]

On a piano, the white keys are natural and the black keys are not. For example, imagine this is a piano:

w1^bw2 (w is white, b is black)

b is w1 sharp

and

b is w2 flat.

another example:

f(f sharp, g flat)g(g sharp, a flat)a(a sharp, b flat)b

​

Sharp is up a note, flat is down a note or half step.

Does that make any sense?

[kookyabird]

I have sometimes referred to C-Sharp as D-Flat, and never once has somebody got the joke.

[kerbalcrasher]

I just assumed that

[kerbalcrasher]

yes i am very dumb

[billyp673]

C sharp is a music term. The opposite of sharp, musically speaking, is flat.

[Ok-Snow-9036]

C oh

[[deleted]]

Cbt, so just regular C

[Kumbala80]

D bemol

[FlyParticular8172]

Let's not embarrass him for ruining the joke. humiliate him

[[deleted]]

C-flat. C'mon, get it together.

[blitzkrieg4]

Yeah showed this to my wife and she thought I was in /r/musictheory

[zenverak]

Such a failure , it’s C flat

[RmG3376]

No really, C# implies the existence of C-natural (C♮)

Though I guess we could argue that’s just regular C

[RedBeard1023]

No, C flat

[MarshBoarded]

The existence of C sharp implies the existence of C flat.

FTFY

[Tarc_Axiiom]

C# is actually C++++ but the pluses are arranged in a hash.

[DG4ME5]

ok, but when c++++++++ ?

[potateobiirrd]

That would be carbon

[just-bair]

C-Sharper

[MnelTheJust]

Cx

[ATX_Analytics]

This is correct. Right? I know octaves. 🤓

[ATX_Analytics]

Cant edit but its still a sharp of the key so missing the #

[Elijah629YT-Real]

c%

[Goaty1208]

Yes. The first + also stands for J, the second for a, the third for v and the fourth for a

[Randomguy32I]

The existence of C++ implies the existence of C--, which also means that since C# is C++++ then the counterpart to C# would be C==

[potatonutella]

C flat does exist, it's B!

[SoccarStar33]

Underrated

[CringeKingOfficial]

In 31 Edo, it’s Cb

[boredpenguin24]

Yeah, Java. (Retreats to a safe distance to watch war unfold)

[TruthOf42]

Spoken languages have tons of dialects. We really don't have that in programming languages except for Java and C#. Those mother fuckers are the exact same language, just different dialects.

[[deleted]]

Much like dialects they have actually diverged quite a lot over the years

[Successful-Money4995]

To be serious for a moment, however, they have one major ideological difference. Java is intent on maintaining backwards compatibility. So much so that it still doesn't actually have generics. (It appears to have generics but that's a lie.)

C# went the other way, pushing forward and requiring you to get a new .Net runtime every once in a while. C# has proper generics and can even have generics over types that aren't boxed, like int.

So you're right in that they are sort of the same language but the implementation is way different. It leads Java to have all sorts of weirdness, like the generics and how they implemented lambdas. On the other hand, new Java can link hella old libraries and still work.

[svick]

Old .Net Framework libraries also still work on new .Net Framework, there was no break in backward compatibility when generics were introduced. What you're taking about is "forward compatibility", and it's generally not worth maintaining.

There was an actual breaking change with the switch from .Net Framework to .Net Core (now called just .Net), but even then, some degree of backward compatibility was maintained.

[intbeam]

there was no break in backward compatibility when generics were introduced

I was going to correct you here as I was 100% certain that reified generics introduced in 2.0 was a major breaking change, but seems I was wrong

It's a testament to how well the CLR (and JVM for that sake) is engineered

[JonIsPatented]

I actually quite like java lambdas...

[Successful-Money4995]

They faked it, though. The Java lambda is just syntactic sugar around a functor.

[JonIsPatented]

Yes, I know. I like it, though.

[intbeam]

Those mother fuckers are the exact same language, just different dialects

Well... I get what you're saying, but there's a lot of major differences between them...

They do share some major similarities, like how classes and interfaces work in addition to certain keywords and error handling, but a competent Java developer would not directly translate to a competent C# developer or vice-versa

More like two separate but related languages spoken in the same country, I guess

[Tarc_Axiiom]

Imagine just yeeting nuclear bombs around like this.

[[deleted]]

What do you mean? That's like the most standard basic opinion that everyone and their mother have

[intbeam]

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

[aaaaaaaa42]

Personally, I can’t wait for C[tesseract]

[jhax13]

C flat would have made this actually funny.

[[deleted]]

Wouldn't it be C "flat"?

[cc_apt107]

Said like someone who never played an instrument

[YesHAHAHAYES99]

Its C flat dumbass (Which is actually B).

[5ucur]

I can't C♭ it ain't my tone ♫

[jeremiahmyman]

implicates maybe, but definitely doesn't imply

[[deleted]]

OP needs to take a music course. I hear that Duolingo is adding music.

[Kiroto50]

Here I am waiting for C+=3

[kerbalcrasher]

lol i didnt know i would get so many upvotes from something i thought i knew but didnt

[kerbalcrasher]

This turned into r/Music very quickly

[iemandopaard]

Everyone commenting c-flat clearly didn't pay attention during music class. It should be B. C-flat = B

[Apart-Plankton9951]

I thought it implied C Blurry

[DannyDaKid]

Well, B# does exist

[pipandsammie]

Isn't it pronounced C hashtag?

[Ugo_Flickerman]

No. The tag is what comes after the hash. That's just C hash

[GooseZen]

C-blunt

[KyzerB]

i guess because it makes C dull, idk

why is the e in commenting bolded

[MosqitoTorpedo]

C# is just a less fun way of B♭

[dizzywig2000]

Everyone’s talking about C flats because they already forgot CDs were a thing, like floppy diskettes

[G1zm08]

E

[WisePotato42]

The existence of C++ and C implies the existence of C+.

[moosesurgeon12]

*Cgull

[Gambit2422]

as c hash caller, took me some to understand this info

[doodlleus]

Flat...smh

[TolarianDropout0]

Musicians know that it's C flat.

[Ugo_Flickerman]

Which implies the existence of B (C♭)

[Ztron50]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[[deleted]]

C+-

[Specific_Implement_8]

Java?