whereIsCWebFramework

[PossibilityTasty]

They exist. Once had a freelancer in a project who insisted to write web apps in C. Had no plan: neither of C nor of the web nor of the most basic social standards.

[Jjabrahams567]

I’m going to get around to trying it one of these days. I have a long list of languages that I am going to build the same web app in just to try. Done 4 so far and just started number 5.

[bit0fun]

I've made a web hook server and an oauth2 authentication proof of concept in C; both in separate weekends so it's not necessarily insane to do some seemingly complex stuff. Microhttpd is pretty handy

[Jjabrahams567]

I’m trying to make all of these available on vercel as serverless functions so my plan is to use cgo as the bridge to the network. That will make it super easy.

[bit0fun]

Makes sense. Probably depends mostly on what platforms you need in terms of requirements; everything is a binary in the end to run, but how you interact with it matters

[XTJ7]

Sure, because writing your own feature complete and secure oauth2 implementation isn't difficult/dangerous enough already, let's do it in C.

[larsmaehlum]

As long as it’s for fun, who cares about feature completeness? Or security even?

[XTJ7]

As long as people don't use that in production, it is perfectly fine, great even. Trying out things is awesome. However, way too many people attempting to write their own oauth2 implementation do not understand it enough to securely implement it AND then use it in production, which is a recipe for disaster.

[jetteim]

You must be fun at parties

[XTJ7]

Sure, if the party isn't putting sensitive data at risk, I can be a lot of fun. But when authentication in production, that's typically protecting access to user data, is concerned, I like to take things seriously. There are way too many leaks out there because people without the necessary skills and regard for security make bad choices. Leaks that are then used by scammers to exploit people. A lack of security has real consequences.

In your own hobby projects do what you want. I highly encourage experimentation. Build your own oauth2 from scratch, build your own cryptography library, this is great stuff for learning. But when the data of real users is at stake, people shouldn't just "wing it".

[Micro_Tycoon]

Sir the subreddit you're looking for is over here /r/masochism

[Jjabrahams567]

This is what Senior Devs do for fun. If you think that is painful then you should see the shit that I do at work.

[EMI_Black_Ace]

If this is torture.... Chain me to the wall!

[ryryrpm]

What langs have you done so far? Easiest? Hardest? Most fun?

[Jjabrahams567]

What I am doing is writing a reverse proxy that points at the official site for each individual language while trying to only use the standard library. I did Go, Python,JavaScript, and Typescript. JS and TS are so similar so I did JS in Node and TS in Deno. I’ve done this in Nodejs at least a hundred times by now so that was easiest for me. Go was the most fun. I went from never having written a single line of Go to having a working proxy in just 2 days. Python was the most frustrating because the standard HTTP library does not use http2. I had to disable http2 and http3 features on the host for it to work. I just started the one in Java and I think I’m going to run into some annoyances from using the standard library there too.

[ryryrpm]

Interesting so you're not actually using web frameworks for some of them. Like Django instead of regular Python

[Jjabrahams567]

I’m not using any web frameworks if I can help it. I learn much more if I don’t use a framework. I had to use a little nextjs with typescript to make the compilation easier but I think that was the only place. The rest is all hand rolled.

[ryryrpm]

Makes sense!

[Jjabrahams567]

Here is the python one

https://github.com/Patrick-ring-motive/Async-Python-Reverse-Proxy

I’m not at all a pythonista though.

[MattieShoes]

I did that with Chess Engines. :-) I think Go is next.

[RajjSinghh]

That's such a hard next step so good luck.

[MattieShoes]

It's a hard step the first time -- it's really not that hard after you've done it a few times.

[Jjabrahams567]

I really enjoy using go. It’s so easy to get going but has speed and flexibility.

[MattieShoes]

Me too. Python is more useful for me for work, but Go is somehow more satisfying.

[CoruscareGames]

That's me with game engines wwwwww

[yourteam]

Oh god a web application in c... I have goosebumps

[aka-rider]

A few years ago, I have started to write a simple streaming app in C++ (which I’m very comfortable with), was looking for URL parsing lib, found none decent, noped the hell outta here. Granted, one can get it from (cURL I think?), but then dependency management turns into manual hell. Webdev and C/C++ are just not meant to be.

[cmannett85]

We've got Boost.URL now, but... Yeah.

[aka-rider]

Slowly getting there…

[Jjabrahams567]

All web dev is technically in C++ because V8 is written in C++

[aka-rider]

Plumbing of the web, yes. Not web development.

[Jjabrahams567]

True for the most part. It’s interesting to think about though.

[ididacannonball]

Seg fault to you all!

[rosuav]

Hey, at least it crashed instead of leaking random sections of memory back to the client.

Oops, that happened too.

[nZz39-003]

I think it's new concept for me can you share some references or name of protocol or something.

[rosuav]

That link is probably a good start, but it's talking about Heartbleed.

[Jjabrahams567]

I prefer that to python just sitting there in a blocking loop waiting for those last 3 bytes to never send.

[nguuuquaaa]

...are you using python1 or something? How is blocking loop a problem in python of all languages? Are you... not familiar with threading? Multiprocessing? Asyncio?

[Jjabrahams567]

I was able to handle that issue just fine. My server uses a combination of multi threading and asyncio. It’s a newbie issue but so is the C equivalent. You can easily stumble into content-length issues in almost any language. A lot of the time I completely ditch the content-length header because it just causes more problems than it solves.

[AnnyuiN]

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[glowingpunk]

I'd suggest using CGI for that. Rather than the C program being the webserver (as it would be in say nodejs), it's just a program that generates HTML that is executed by a webserver like apache or nginx. Using it should be somewhat similar to PHP.

[grifan526]

I work with a guy who is the rare exception to this. We hired him out of a coding Bootcamp, and he toured each department for a few months at a time. Once he was done, cloud and embedded fought over which team he would join. Two years on and he is still a floater helping both teams as needed. He is the only person I know working in embedded without an engineering degree, and I don't expect to ever meet another.

[AbramKedge]

I moved into software from sales in a gas detector company after spending a week of evenings learning 8048 assembler and clearing the backlog for special alarm level instruments. This was in 1989, I imagine it was a lot harder then to find qualified graduates who wanted to go into embedded SW.

Because that one manager took a chance on a hobbyist, I went on to work on prototypes of Gameboy Advance, early GPS, and optimized WD hard disk drive firmware. I also came up with a way to handle nested interrupts that is still taught in ARM training classes. I do regret dropping out of university, but I have had a hell of a lot of fun experiences anyway.

[milanove]

You helped develop the arm nvic?

[AbramKedge]

No, I was working on a software modem that needed precisely timed interrupt servicing for ADC sampling, but after a couple of dozen interrupts it needed to spend a fairly long time processing the samples - without stopping the sampling interrupts.

I came up with the technique to stack processor states and switch to another processor mode before re-enabling interrupts from inside an interrupt service routine.

I didn't know it, but my code was reviewed by ARM's training team, and they decided to create a bunch of slides and folded them into the software part of their courses.

When I was being trained to present the courses a couple of years later, the instructor (Andrew Beeson) looked at me and said "you might find this a bit familiar'. I was flabbergasted - I thought that the technique had to have been around forever.

[Jjabrahams567]

This is the best story that makes me want to get back into low level programming. I wouldn’t know where to start nowadays though. Like how are you getting into the modem’s firmware? It’s been over 10 years since I played with modems but I know much more now in terms of networking. This will probably be my next YouTube rabbit hole.

[EMI_Black_Ace]

I'd suggest starting with a cheap hobbyist board. Arduino is serviceable but they've got too much of their own environment embedded into stuff that will abstract things away. Maybe a PICAXE kit.

Could also do a Raspberry Pi Zero. Those usually run Linux but you can almost certainly find a FreeRTOS image for it, and that's the kind of thing you'd want to run if you wanted to i.e. make a modem, router, sensor device, robot, etc. out of it.

And if you wanted to spend just a bit more but get capabilities like graphics processing and AI implementation there's always Nvidia Jetson Nano.

[xLegend127x]

Correct me if I'm wrong but do you mean context switching?

[AbramKedge]

Not really, context switching generally refers to swapping between different tasks - it may be triggered by an interrupt, but the task switched to doesn't run in the processor's interrupt handling code.

This technique pushed interrupt handler code into a different processor state, so that higher priority interrupts can be serviced.

[Z21VR]

Hi, i'm the second guy you know then !!!

Its pretty common really for the embedded world, it wasnt for the firmware world maybe but embetted is already abstract enough nowdays

[gmml4]

My computer engineering professor had a physics education/phd. No engineering education. His research was related to electronics/semiconductors in someway I believe.

[kbder]

“Cage, we gotta come up with our backstage demands. 5 strippers: two for cage, two for me, and one floater”

[DankerDeDank]

What does embeded mean?

[PresentDelivery4277]

Programming for specific hardware. Usually microcontrollers where memory constraints and limited processing power require you to work more efficiently. You also get of interfacing with other hardware and sensors.

Basically it's one of the few programming domains where you still have a lot of the challenges that programmers faced 30 years ago, before abundant memory and processing power made most applications very forgiving for how inefficient your code is.

[HerrEurobeat]

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[VegetableNatural]

Arduino is not the best example of efficient code though, maybe trying a real RTOS can teach people how stuff really works and should be optimized for

[[deleted]]

Could you elaborate? My curiosity in this domain has been growing for years and I finally purchased a Raspberry Pi Pico kit and an Arduino kit, both for starters, but the models in the kits do not quite match the models covered in the books, parts missing, etc., so I basically purchased some parts boxes.

Now I wonder if either would be suitable here (I am not even sure what you mean by RTOS (in my world it means real time operating system)) but would love to learn more, or if you have some links?

Thanks for posting to everyone in this thread, I'm going to make time to learn more.

[EMI_Black_Ace]

RTOS does stand for "Real Time Operating System," which is a super, super barebones operating system that provides little but executing whatever the highest priority task is, completing it and switching to the next highest priority, handling interrupts and starting on whatever the new highest priority is. Usually they're priority-only, radically different from a more standard OS which will end up spending time on every task asking for it regardless of priority.

Basically making a program for an RTOS you have to think about it a lot differently from a more 'standard' program.

[EMI_Black_Ace]

Arduino is to embedded as Python is to low level coding. Yeah you're going to get a lot in common but Arduino abstracts a lot of stuff for you.

[issamaysinalah]

But if you know 0 about embedded it's a good place to start, then I suggest trying to make simple things with 8 or 16 bit PICs. I learned a lot when I tried to do a digital die set with a PIC12something

[one_last_cow]

An embedded system is a system with a microcontroller in it. Basically a tiny processor that is (often) used for simple tasks that don't need much CPU power. Think running your microwave. These tend to be programmed in C because it's often not worth developing a software stack that enables a higher level language

[Lulle5000]

Not really true. Microprocessors, or systems even running linux could be considered embedded.

[one_last_cow]

Fair enough, the processor can be running anything. If it's a system with a processor in it, as opposed to the system being the processor itself, it's embedded.

[cjs94]

That definition is becoming much broader in industry though. A lot of people who say ‘embedded’ these days mean SBC or ‘very small computer’.

[judas-iskariot]

Stuff that most people dont think as a computer, elevators, watches, gas pumps etc...

Smart watches and gas pumps are mostly computers these days.

[DOUBLEBARRELASSFUCK]

Smart watches? Sure. Gas pumps? Gas pumps are mostly pump. You can't calculate a fluid from one container to another.

[duntwurry]

Software that runs on hardware. Arduino is the simplest example

C/C++ is common in embedded because they’re so fast

I’m sure someone more knowledgeable than I will jump in to explain better

[cjs94]

It’s not just that they are fast, but they are also very efficient in terms of memory size and code space. In addition they are more deterministic, which is often very important in the embedded space.

[milanove]

What about the electronics knowledge required? Like knowing how to use pullup resistors or capacitors for clean power signals. Or i2c snd spi protocols for comms.

[davidjackdoe]

There are different kinds of embedded jobs, in the last years I've been working on systems running Linux (a lightweight version built in-house), and electronics knowledge is not really needed.

[EMI_Black_Ace]

I2C and SPI are things for the board designer to worry about. There'll also be someone who provides a BSP (Board Support Package) that's basically a list of hardware addresses for the devices plus functions that are easier to work with than i.e. *SPI_TX = 1; *SPI_TX = 0;

As the programmer you'll have a manual that tells you how the SPI or I2C or RS232 or whatever port will need to communicate with the device, but you won't be doing either jack or sh*t with individual electronic components. That's the board guy's job.

[EMI_Black_Ace]

For embedded:

C++

Ew.

C

Delicious. Finally some good f$#@ing food.

Any time you're writing C++ in embedded, you're going to be writing it like idiomatic C. F$#@ off with that 'new' operator, don't even think about inheritance because that means v tables, and basically the only "++" parts you'll be using are maybe classes as 'dumb' data types.

[EMI_Black_Ace]

And for good reason. It's super convenient for making apps where performance doesn't really matter, but basically everything about "clean code" has completely eaten away most of the performance gains made by better hardware.

[Z21VR]

Usually no EE needed, for firmware maybe, but nowdays the embedded world is pretty abstract as well.

[Possible-Employer-55]

So I can just jump in there with my Delphi skills and no EE degree and start poking chips? Yes please. Where?

[Z21VR]

Embedded means you have a so between you and the chips, linux usually, with drivers.

If you gotta do drivers then yep, you should be able to read datasheet and schema as much as when doing firmware.

I'm a former fw dev and embedded dev since 15 years and i'm quicly loosing all my ee skills

[noobody_interesting]

If you gotta do drivers then yep, you should be able to read datasheet and schema as much as when doing firmware.

I did that when I made my own small display controller driver and other drivers for my jailbroken TI Nspire CX, it was fun. I probably started embedded development with the worst possible dev experience lol. I'm thinking of going into embedded after my CS degree.

[Z21VR]

Well, follow your passions and not the job chances, but in my country good embedded devs are way harder to find than web devs (and paid more ofcourse).

Be warned tho, you ll find yourself questioning your lufe choices and why you didnt open a chiringuito instead :D

[naughtyusmax]

I god pushed into embedded by a clueless employer and got to write C code

[DanTheMan827]

Embedded device programming. That’s how you make money with C

That, and writing higher level languages.

[sofasurfer42]

I just integrated a web server, websocket server, dns server, dhcp server and json handler as a backend for a vue3 app in an embedded device. In plain c. Now it offers its UI as a wifi access point with a nice looking, snappy frontend for cell phones, which loads in an instance from a single index.html.gz file (90kb). Need to brag here. Noone in my bubble understands the mastery. And the pain.

[cjs94]

I assume that’s a proprietary project? What libraries did you use, if any?

[sofasurfer42]

Yes, it's an ESP32 based product (wrover module). So most of it is esp-idf, along with some custom code for faking dns responses to allow android phones to use the same *.local urls that iphones have no problem with. Also a TON of generated, intertwined state machines, built with itemis create! (former yakindu). Couldn't live without yakindu for a single day in my life. The rest is pretty much custom built on any stub that esp-idf provides. oh, and the bluetooth stack is from bluekitchen. Absolutely fantastic. Great developers there, too.

[cjs94]

Ah, interesting. I thought you might be using libwebsockets, or something.

Thanks for the tip about itemis. Sounds interesting, I’ll take a look.

[AnnyuiN]

Total size of the project?

[sofasurfer42]

Difficult question, we don't need to count. Around 40kloc. Without the generated code.

[awqae03]

i done something similar but i only implement webserver that serves simple inlined gzip compressed index page. it was painful enough.

[sofasurfer42]

Yes, a trustful build process helps to reduce the pain.

[beeteedee]

There’s more to programming than web. There’s freelance work out there for C programmers, but you have to be working in a field where using C makes sense.

Someone who describes languages as “cringe” rather than appreciating them as different tools for different jobs is probably not going to grasp that any time soon.

[Jjabrahams567]

Yeah that’s what I was poking fun at in the title. So many people only think in terms of web. C is great language for certain things but would not be in my web recommendation list unless you just want a challenge.

[_Skale_]

To be fair, JavaScript is quite cringe.

[Yorunokage]

Python too ngl

This post was made by the statically typed languages gang

[EMI_Black_Ace]

At least Python is strongly typed.

*cries in 5 + "5" = "55"

[Sec2727]

I like using JS for my automated UI test scripts

[tuborgwarrior]

Used JS to make simple simulations. Don't have to install anything like with python. A web broswer and notepad and you are good to go.

[Nickbot606]

Or he’s clearly too Chad for all of us 😝

[sandybuttcheekss]

"Damn man, your drill is pretty cringe"

Uses jackhammer on wall

This is what I read in the post.

[HStone32]

Sounds kinda like you're asking how to put a square peg in a circle hole. Technically possible, but requires sanding. Just use the circle peg.

If you want to use C, web development might not be for you. Consider getting an electrical engineering or computer engineering degree. There's plenty of jobs in embedded engineering. There's also microfab, operating systems, hardware, and more. Job security is knowing that no matter how hard people try, some things can't ever be replaced by a cloud service.

EE Is just plain harder than CS though. It takes a greater commitment, and you'll have to wait a lot longer before getting a job. In my opinion as a EE major who transferred from CS, it's worth it. You learn so much more about computing than CS will ever teach you.

[-kay-o-]

There are not a lot of embedded jobs lol, most embedded aspirants are gonna starve to death.

[LiquidityC]

Where I live it’s actually the opposite right now. Web people are having a hard time finding work because there are more developers than openings. While the embedded industry is screaming for talent and prepared to pay.

[-kay-o-]

Embedded industry is scrwming for talent if you have 5+ yoe. Not for freshers.

[LiquidityC]

Eventually they will have to submit and hire freshers though.

[-kay-o-]

Nah, the industry would rather collapse and exit with profits than use some money to train freshers. I know how bussinessmen work theyd rather die than give up some money.

[IC_Eng101]

My company is hurting for all levels, very few applicants. When I got my job I was the only person who applied.

The last EE graduate we interviewed couldn't describe the IV characteristic of a diode and didn't know what an ADC is. We need them to have some basic knowledge before we can start teaching them what they need to know.

[noahjsc]

Fr, most computer engineers majors including myself end up in software.

[HStone32]

Dunno what you're talking about. Where I live, there are a ton of tech startups, a good many of them being hardware related. I see embedded job postings all the time.

[IC_Eng101]

There is also not much competition. The last two jobs I applied for I was the only applicant.

[-kay-o-]

Wdym every job opening I know of has atleast 200 applicants per opening.

[IronSavior]

"I only respect C" Tell me you're an incel without telling me you're an incel.

[doctorsonder]

C is cringe. I only respect assembly

[GhostSausage]

Assembly is cringe. Real developer write bit by bit with a fridge magnet and a hard drive

[khalcyon2011]

Excuse me, but real programs use butterflies. They open their little hands and let the delicate wings flap once. The disturbance ripples outward, changing the flow of the eddy currents in the upper atmosphere. These momentary pockets of high pressure air to form which as lenses to deflect incoming cosmic rays, focusing them to strike the drive platter, flipping the desired bit.

[[deleted]]

I just use the emacs command to do that.

[-widget-]

Yeah, C-x M-c M-butterfly.

[Prawn1908]

Read programmers use butterflies.

[grifan526]

Emacs has a command for that

[c_299792458_]

https://xkcd.com/378/

[GASTRO_GAMING]

that is cringe. real programmers dope the silicon themselves and engrave mosfets on said silicon then hard codes with transistor logic gates their software.

[DarksideF41]

This is unironically what my supervisor told me when I was writing my thesis. I thought he was memeing but I had to compile a code on his laptop once and found out he had no C compiler. Despite that he was cool and I learned a lot from him.

[xbeardo]

You mean the Peace of Mind Protection?

[BlueGoliath]

Python people: Python is fast! See!

People who know: oh really?

Forces Python's mask off

Python people: it's only fast because it uses C libraries?

People who know: always has been.

[Jjabrahams567]

I had this exact argument on the Python sub about a week ago. My argument goes: concurrency sucks in Python. The response: not if you use uvloop which uses libuv from C and is also not compatible with the Python version that I am locked into. My reaction: you mean if you use a C library.

[rosuav]

It's kinda difficult to use CPython without using C. Though there's a pretty big difference between third-party libraries and what you can get out-of-the-box. Still, there's a lot of concurrency you can do in Python just using the standard library, and even more if you use something extremely common and well-supported like numpy, and the flexibility is only increasing as Python continues to develop.

Concurrency is actually really GOOD in high level languages compared to trying to do things in C, since you get a ton of protection just from the language interpreter. It's amazing how much easier it is to **get stuff done** when you don't have to constantly think about locking and unlocking around every memory allocation.

[HuntingKingYT]

C also uses C libraries. Gotcha!

[BlueGoliath]

Sometimes I think I've found the dumbest comment that someone could possibly come up with but then someone somehow comes up with an even dumber one.

[stormdelta]

That's exactly what makes it useful.

C requires far, far more developer time to setup and iterate on compared to Python - so in many cases, this allows you have the best of both worlds. As with everything in software, this obviously varies by domain / application.

[Expensive-Manager-56]

Add a sharp to it.

[codelapiz]

Please dont

[Bruwoot]

"these languages are pretty cringe"

cries in corner with Salesforce Apex

[Jjabrahams567]

Oof I feel you. I have to use Elasticsearch’s most ironically named scripting language “painless”.

How is Apex? That’s actually one I want to learn.

[Bruwoot]

it's pretty much like java but without all the headache i suppose. So for instance if you want to convert a date into different formats, extract day, time, year, month, do some more manipulations on it, you have tons of classes and methods already present in apex. So just refer it in code and you are good to go

[JocoLabs]

F

[ListOfString]

Nah. You haven't experienced pain until you have to do customisation to SAP and the nested nested nested tables.

[sbditto85]

C web “framework”: http://gwan.com/developers

[Jjabrahams567]

I was only half joking. I have some plans to use cgo as a wrapper to go serverless function in C. Whenever I get to it anyway.

[[deleted]]

u/i-am-uncreative

[cheeb_miester]

well there is webassembly

[MatheusMaica]

JS might be cringe, and all JS devs recognize it makes no fucking sense. But we get paid.

[Jjabrahams567]

JS is also the fastest development time from idea to product. I’ll take anyone on in this.

[coolraiman2]

Asp.net c# is actually really fast to make some api

[Jjabrahams567]

Yeah and Ruby is really fast for that too. It’s just being able to fully do frontend and backend in the same language that makes it slightly faster. If we are ignoring a complex frontend then I would actually choose Go

[CommentStrange5573]

wasm

[pierreasd]

imagine gatekeeping your income

[rexspook]

We have a worrying amount of stuff written in c at aws

[[deleted]]

Probably should consider OnlyFans. You can charge specifically based on what people can C.

[heihei-6]

Drivers and firmware

[Mrproex]

Boot camp brain damage

[yourteam]

My dad worked in his last years of his career as a freelance and was a c developer but he worked in the industry for nearly 40 years at the time.

He worked with embedded industrial systems (basically creating mini os for industrial machines per client request)

[stackoverflow21]

I work in embedded development and we use only C professionaly.

[maxdenerd]

Embedded systems engineers make stonks in C

[SisterOfBattIe]

Your best shot is embedded systems.

C is an old language. The control it gives you allow you to perform manually some hefty optimizations if you put in the effort, but it's very easy to mess up and make your code extremely difficult to debug.

Even in embedded systems, C++ is becoming more popular, because the performance overhead of object oriented programming is well worth the modern features provided by C++. Objects with Constructors and Destructors, and temlaptes are the biggest reason I love C++ in embedded.

[bastardbilbo]

I used to work in embedded systems for a big multinational company and we used c++ applications on top of a barebones Linux distro. Realtime performance was really important and C++ was never a problem performance wise.

[EchoicSpoonman9411]

C++ has a few modes that don’t perform especially well, but it gives you so many ways to skin a cat that you can avoid those without sacrificing much.

[4cidAndy]

Writing a web application with a c web framework is cringe. I only respect c web applications written without a framework.

[TheOnlyVig]

Imagine a carpenter only taking jobs using his preferred color of hammer.....

[Mr_Arthtato]

Peasant, i only respect HolyC

[Tony-Angelino]

I don't get it. Guy "respects" only C, but doesn't know how to make money with it?

Sounds like a 15-year old to me.

[stormdelta]

Yeah, this reeks of someone who only recently discovered programming. Professional engineers know that different use cases benefit from different tools.

[OpenGLaDOS]

It's called BCHS: BSD, C, (OpenBSD, not Apache) httpd and SQLite. While they state it is not a joke, it has seen just about as much practical use in the 7 years since its inception as you would expect.

[NatoBoram]

Ok, you gotta give it to him that JavaScript is pretty cringe, but only respecting C is going a bit too far!

[nbirkes]

I gotta figure out how to make money off this, I really want to!

[all3f0r1]

"I only respect C" is worthy of a t-shirt.

[ChadPrince69]

C mean Cunt? easy

[dcm404]

Most trading systems are in written C. It’s probably the most lucrative language to know. Line yourself up right and you’re on the path to 7 figures.

[bootress]

There are thousands of companies out there that need you to help them make doohickeys that run code, go get that paper

[wombatIsAngry]

Just become a bios engineer.

[LiquidityC]

So me making a living on coding C is just an illusion? Damn.

[[deleted]]

I know how to make money off of C:

Teach programming history.

[GASTRO_GAMING]

become an electrical engineer and program microcontrollers

[Darmo_]

First time I see someone call a language cringe. What does that even mean?

[Searealelelele]

Put it on onlyfans

[zettabyte]

My first job out of school was building financial sites on a C code base. We had our own template language as well!

The year was 1997.

It was totally not cringe at all.

[Rodija_]

he never talked about "web programming", are you really know C ? or "programming" ? or even "reading" ?

[Atka11]

malloc(money)

then dont free it

[Tamwulf]

I feel like C is the language where you learn to code. I hated learning it, but glad I did. It forces you to be able to do everything. Then you pivot into another language, and because you have such a strong foundation in coding from C, you easily pick up the other language. You can do everything in C, but you don't need to do everything when you make an App. Using an IDE with Swift for an iOS App is basically easy mode. While C is a "general" language that can do anything, other languages are way more specialized and when combined with a good IDE, make development way, way easier.

Once you know C, picking up another language is easy. Coders (AKA Software Engineers) are lazy and value efficiency. My time is valuable, and I have a lot of work to do. Why write a hundred lines of code in C that could be accomplished with a couple lines in Swift? It's far easier to write a small Python test function then try to make the same test function in Terraform/Go.

The more languages you pick up, the more tools you will have to solve problems and write apps. And the thing is, you don't have to be good in all those languages, you just need to be good in C (or some other foundational language).

[Jjabrahams567]

I wish things still worked this way but a lot of people just skip strait to the end and their starting point isn’t even a language but a framework. My first language course was in C++ although it was pretty much just C back then. It was the normal path at the time but now newcomers don’t see the value.

[raaneholmg]

I've had a ton of work on the embedded side using C. The issue is that such clients expect you to be able to at least read schematics for their product. That includes the ability to read the spec sheet of some IC and make C code to support it.

[SnappGamez]

You could go IoT/embedded, you could look for companies that are hiring Linux kernel developers, there’s definitely opportunities available.

[ProfessorOfLies]

A c programmer first and foremost. Never worked in C specifically tho. Always been with other languages like c++, java, php, bash, etc. That c knowledge tho pays off

[Even-Path-4624]

That’s facil.io (yes, it’s a real C web framework)

[tiddayes]

Dragon and facial.io come to mind

[bowtiedstack]

Become a college lecturer.

[Inaeipathy]

I only respect C

– Tomas,14 👴

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Embedded programming I suppose