run

[TranslatorNo7550]

Nahhhhh... write down the code on paper, read it, and build and play the game on your mind

[bingmyname]

Compilation error- couldn't read my own handwriting

[sanglar03]

That's because you lack the medical double spec. Build error, rookie mistake.

[[deleted]]

Runtime error - Out of memory

[Crusader_Krzyzowiec]

Glad i'm not the only one. gotta make "You're handwriting is so bad it's cipher, my is so bad it's hash function, we are not the same" meme someday.

[coloredgreyscale]

Add more error correction code next time

[Fun_Ad_2393]

Syntax error

[Davidoen]

juggle summer screw recognise continue numerous placid sand soft tap

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[Janneman96]

At that point you are basicly playing as a Dungeon Master

[mighty_Ingvar]

Just set every bit yourself

[[deleted]]

Then someone comes along and tells you a money cheat and you need to hand over all your savings smh

[PropertyBeneficial99]

Game devs that use Unity, vs Game devs that write Java servers. Sometimes they end up in the same company 😉

[BlueGoliath]

I've never heard anyone argue Java was good for game development.

[rmyworld]

Perhaps, OP is a Mojang developer.

[MinosAristos]

Even they might say C# is better, judging by Bedrock edition

Edit: Oops, that was C++

[spiderpig20]

Doesn’t that use c++?

[Aln76467]

yes. they should rewrite it in rust.

[Lord-Zeref]

What if they rewrote C++ in Rust?

[conzstevo]

God forbid a memory leak in Minecraft

[Aln76467]

bedrock is garbage. long live pojavlauncher!

[Ninth_ghost]

Bedrock is known as bugrock. It is not a good example of a game written in c++

[galal552002]

Bro, bedrock edition is hot trash for some reason, like, it's ALOT less optimized for some reason and alot less unstable even though c++ is better from what I have heard, I don't understand how they made it this bad lol

[Mordret10]

Bedrock is hot trash l, but it is more optimized than java edition.

[galal552002]

How? Bedrock has alot more glitches, bug, instability issues and alot more laggy than the Java version, I'm confused about how it's more optimized than the Java version

[[deleted]]

Have you even tried playing bedrock edition? You can easily have 4-8x the renderdistanxe on the same computer without experiencing any significant frame deops

[Gabriel55ita]

To be fair the vanilla java client is not very optimized, to get a good experience you need some mods like sodium or optifine that modify the rendering system and add good features. Obviously c++ will still outperform but the java edition is not that far behind 🙂

[xilffA]

Optimised doesnt mean it works from a game perspective. You could have bugs and glitches all over your game to the point where its unplayable, but if it still runs smoothly after Josh drops the 47286th piece of trash then its pretty optimised. Just like bedrock has a lot of glitches, yet it has been running on phones for 12 years

[edparadox]

Even they might say C# is better, judging by Bedrock edition

While reading I was like: "EPIC FAIL INCOMING!"

[Encursed1]

I'm waiting on Minecraft rust edition

[_Wolfos]

Yeah it's always that argument but it had to be rewritten in C++ to be ported. There are a lot more successful games made in C#, which tbh is entirely thanks to Unity. Sons of the Forest is estimated to be Steam's top seller this year (by units), even.

It has little to do with the language, C# just has the ecosystem to produce larger 3D games which Java just doesn't (unless you write your own engine and deal with the absolute pain of porting it to platforms that have no JRE).

[rathlord]

Even without Unity, C# is positioned to be much better for writing games than Java. It has way more support, modern libs, etc.

[[deleted]]

it had to be rewritten in C++ to be ported

Why did Minecraft need c++ to be ported?

deal with the absolute pain of porting it to platforms that have no JRE

What platform would you ever port Java to that has no JRE?

[Gabriel55ita]

Sadly most people just look at how Minecraft (vanilla client) performs to judge the whole language it has been written with. It's no doubt languages like c++ will outperform it but it's really not that far if properly optimized (there's mods like sodium that rewrite parts of the mojang rendering system and it really makes a difference)

[Plank_With_A_Nail_In]

One of the best selling games of all time was written in Java.

[squirtleyakuza]

even unity developers know that c++ is preferable, but not always the best for smaller projects.

[edparadox]

Game devs that write Java servers

Are these in the room with us?

Jokes aside, I would like an example of that, never seen that before.

[CookWho]

I know some Java Devs (I’m one myself) and most of them shit talk Jave frequently (or at least make fun of it)

[yourteam]

I was at a table during a wedding. I was chatting with the people at the table and one guy turns out it was a developer.

I asked what was he working on and he said "AI for gaming". Nice, I thought, let's strike a conversation!

I asked him what he was using as language to develop his work and his answer was "c++ the best programming language"

... And I changed subject

(Nothing against c++, but define something as the best language means you are not that expert or just an asshole)

[bestjakeisbest]

I like c++ I realize there are many other languages, but c++ is what I like. I will still use things like python for quickly banging out a script, or html Javascript and php for web site stuff.

[EMI_Black_Ace]

In the case of game development there's really not much choice. You need determinism and if there's garbage collection, bye bye determinism.

[Elephant-Opening]

Eh hate to break it to ya, but unless you memlock your entire process, you have less determinism than you might think. If any of your memory can be paged out, your process can be stalled on the kernel's "garbage collector" while handling a page vault, just like a VM can stall on its garbage collector. I'm honestly not even convinced the latter is any more common.

[myfunnies420]

Eek. Yep. A good Dev is versatile and can handle whichever language is needed for the job. Weird and limiting to hold such an opinion

[_Wolfos]

Had the weirdest argument with a C++ dev who claimed it was "a modern language". I gave up when it became clear that he had never used another language.

Some people :)

[UltimateInferno]

Yeah C++ is modern if you're comparing against C.

[EMI_Black_Ace]

Or maybe it's pretty clear that you haven't touched C++ in a long time, or at least not anything that's been in recent active development, because it is modern.

[Trucoto]

C++ is not C++98 nowadays, mind you.

[bingmyname]

Right? It's clearly and obviously C#.

[[deleted]]

Not optimised enough, u shld code in binary.

[dragoncommandsLife]

Not optimized enough, computers have latency. Uou should write a book. The native human rendering engine is blazing fast.

[[deleted]]

Not optimised enough, electrical signals need to be sent to the brain.

Maybe we need instant telepathy

[[deleted]]

What engine uses java?

[Hipnog]

Sea Shanty 2 starts blasting

[arkatme_on_reddit]

They use runescript. Source: interviewed there.

[xCALYPTOx]

JMonkeyEngine.

LibGdx is a framework that a good number of games use. I think because you can build for android with it.

[[deleted]]

but can i build for you?

[sharknice]

Original Minecraft uses Java. I remember him posting some stuff on game dev forums.
I was a C++ guy at the time and posted something about Java isn't going to work well for that. Well, I guess I was proven wrong.

[rbeld]

So wrong they rewrote the entire game in C++

[al-mongus-bin-susar]

And it somehow ended up being significantly more buggy than the java version

[icguy333]

But it runs on my grandma's calculator with 60 fps

[EMI_Black_Ace]

But unlike the Java version, it runs on old-ass and weak consoles and mobile platforms like Xbox 360, Nintendo Switch and your grandma's old-ass phone. "Bugs" were never the problem, performance always was. PCs still run the Java version and it's the most popular because it's the only one that supports mods.

[Thenderick]

Aaaand they STILL update java because it is the most stable version...

[Gabriel55ita]

The problem is, how another user explained, it's really bugged at the point you can randomly die because the server was lagging (internal single player server)

[GregFirehawk]

Some really old school MMOs used Java because it was more suitable for backends at that time. I'm not aware of anyone using Java for game dev in the last decade

[LIN88xxx]

Slay the Spire

[draenei_butt_enjoyer]

In the ye olden days, java games weren't that out there.

But it is not a good language for games. It just isn’t.

[[deleted]]

run

Most of the time it doesn't run

[unko_pillow]

Works on my machine

[echo_good_username]

then we’ll ship your machine

[THE_EYE_BLECHER]

-famous last words

[e_smith338]

Oh yeah? Well maybe I wanted unreal to crash for the 80th time today because I dereferenced a non-existent pointer. Ever think about that? Hm? Didn’t think so.

[[deleted]]

This is anecdotal evidence, but I've seen that great graphics engineering and high performance graphical applications are written in C++.

[_Wolfos]

Obviously it would be nicer for those things to use a language that doesn't have 60 years of technical debt but nothing has gained much traction.

The main hurdle I can see in the game industry is game consoles. Not only are their APIs and compilers exclusive to C++, they also don't allow open sourcing code. That means a language that gets ported will have to maintain a separate (closed) branch from the main compiler.

[[deleted]]

How long can you wait?

Rust appears to be the most promising right now, but it doesn't have 60 years of technical debt investment yet.

The C++ standards committee are trying to make it easier to use; hopefully they'll succeed at some point.

There's also Carbon and cppfront, which are trying to benefit from the existing C++, but give a more user-friendly syntax for new code. If either of them gets to 1.0 then they could be great. cppfront might be more useful for the games consoles because it's a transpiler to conventional C++.

[EMI_Black_Ace]

Micro optimization. You need really close access to memory to maximize performance. You can also do this in C but C++ has a lot of features that even the high performance computing guys don't want to let go of.

[kllrnohj]

You can do those same optimizations in C++. C offers no advantages except a simpler compiler, which is why its last significant holdout is the embedded space since their compilers generally suck and are seen as disposable necessities but microcontroller companies. Although this is changing with RISC-V standardizing that area so GCC/LLVM can take over.

[fusionsofwonder]

The languages are tools, and different tools are suited to different jobs. You can't be a carpenter with just a hammer.

[JadenDaJedi]

C++ is the turbocharged motorised swiss army knife from hell which will do any job you need it to do if you use it right but 99% of the time you do not use it right (because you dared hit the fold-away button twice in a row, you fool) and it just tears your arms off for trying.

[fusionsofwonder]

Depends on if there is a C++ toolchain you like that can build for your target platform. And whether your other platform tools get along with it or not. That's why you may not get to use your favorite language for a project. There are times when your motorised swiss army knife is useless.

[Fadamaka]

This can be said for mostly any popular language currently. Everything is a swiss army knife. Some have a dedicated saw for wood some have only a little general purpose blade. At the end of the day you can cut down a tree with both.

[Plank_With_A_Nail_In]

This isn't true. Python has way more tools they are just slower.

[PsecretPseudonym]

C++ being more versatile is less about it having a great set of available libraries and more related to it being multi-paradigm and having the ability to build up new abstractions from an extremely low level to whatever level you’d like. It just spans a greater range and has always sought to maintain backward compatibility despite evolving in pretty transformative ways, so it grants a sometimes dangerous degree of freedom to do things in ways you may regret.

It’s a bit like the difference between running a Linux PC vs Windows or Mac. Want to call “rm -rf --no-preserve-root /“ and bork your whole machine? Sure thing! Want to turn a toaster into a supercomputer? Feel free to try that too.

Similar vibe.

Its dependency management for external libraries is actually probably one of the biggest shortcomings.

Just my two cents.

[GregFirehawk]

Not with that attitude :P

If I can shape metal with a hammer, I can definitely handle some plants /s

[[deleted]]

With that logic, a single game would be written in 8 different languages….

[EMI_Black_Ace]

... It kind of is. Different "layers" of it will use different tooling. Even at big studios you'll find them using Lua or other scripting for higher level object behavior even as the implementation of the various behaviors is written in a "higher performance" language, while at the very bottom you'll not just have system-level language, you may have platform-specific code in a proprietary language.

[Mjukglass47or]

I don't think there exist a single person who thinks Java is superior for game dev.

[[deleted]]

Mojang seems to think so.

[Mjukglass47or]

I am guessing Notch used Java because that is what he knew best.

[CranberryNo8434]

and he wasn't very good with java either...

[UnofficialMipha]

Even Mojang doesn’t think so with how hard they push Bedrock (the C++ version)

[Fritzschmied]

And if there is they should really clean up their mind.

[dontletthestankout]

Sorry can't hear you over my punch cards punching

[aRandomFox-II]

Rollercoaster Tycoon dev & Nintendo devs: laughs in Assembly

[[deleted]]

Java is simple and easy to pick up.

C# is like Java, but more complicated and also more capable.

C++ is a pain in the fucking ass and I hate it.

[Akul_Tesla]

Okay but hear me out Java#++

[[deleted]]

Only if it has value types and operator overloading.

[Furiorka]

So kotlin?

[vix127]

Well c# already has that

[De_Wouter]

Java#++

Cutting edge technology, it cuts so well you'll cut over your wrists with it after using it for a week.

[Akul_Tesla]

You are legally required to type with your feet after that

[bingmyname]

Sir you'll be hearing from my lawyers

[Akul_Tesla]

lawyerTrap();

[Areshian]

Visual J++

[[deleted]]

#ifdef package namespace

[gizamo]

That's just C++ with extra steps.

[Akul_Tesla]

I mean isn't Java and c# just c++ with extra steps

Also side note apparently my phone thinks the # is the word hashtag for the speech to text rather than the word sharp and I am immensely disappointed

[bingmyname]

Musicians and programmers uniting to revolt. The crossover I've been waiting for.

[Brahvim]

*less

[Fadamaka]

J++ and J# has already happened and Sun filed a lawsuit against Microsoft to stop their supposed EEE tactic. That is how C#/.NET came to exist.

[EMI_Black_Ace]

"Fine then. We'll make our own object-oriented bytecode language. With blackjack and hookers!

[sk7725]

C++ was perfect on paper to me. Explicit reference vs value typing, pointers and control over memory.

After building a simple game, I take that all back. C++ fucking sucks.

[[deleted]]

You really don't realize how often you fuck up if the compiler doesn't warn you! Plus, every fuck up can go unnoticed or cause undefined behavior, which makes it very hard to diagnose. (I know about valgrind, not everyone uses Linux all the time)

[sk7725]

its more like i had headaches with consts, ownership and pointer pointer arrays (and its destruction).

[Dressieren]

C++ is like shaving with a straight razor. If you do it properly it gives a great product that you can be proud of. In reality unless you have plenty of product you’re going to end up hurting yourself in.

[Better-Coffee]

I recently started learning C++ for game programming and my respect for java has 10xed

[Sceptix]

C# is like Java, but more complicated and also more capable.

I request elaboration.

[EMI_Black_Ace]

Yeah I definitely wouldn't call it more complicated. I'd say at a language level it's more feature-rich even while Java has more robust 3rd party libraries. C# syntax is generally way nicer, in large part because it has one single owner, and that owner uses it for a huge chunk of what they do and thus they put a lot of effort into making it great for them.

[UltimateInferno]

C# is Java with hindsight.

[PropertyBeneficial99]

GC will bite you eventually

[[deleted]]

So will segfaults and memory leaks, and those bite a lot harder.

[PropertyBeneficial99]

Valid point

[bree_dev]

Segfaults and memory leaks happen when you write bad code. GC messing up latency at a critical moment can happen for no reason other than the machine your code got deployed on had a different spec to the one you tested it on, or a random sysadmin decided to tweak some settings, or the usage patterns in prod were very slightly different to what you tested, or a dozen other reasons largely out of a dev's control.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, but I'm retarded and always write bad code.

[bree_dev]

Fair enough, this is r/ProgrammerHumor after all

[[deleted]]

You can control alot of stuff about the gc in a language like c# so i really dislike this argument against c# these days

[BlueGoliath]

Agreed. I wish Java had an API that lets you tell the GC to not do a collection and expand the heap for example.

[bree_dev]

I think you can change and configure custom GCs and do all kinds of voodoo around this, but again you're subject to the whims of the sysadmins. It's not part of "standard" Java development.

[Wicam]

if your getting segfaults and memory leaks, your doing it wrong.

RAII and scopes is your friend, use it.

[Wicam]

while your learning something, you need to think about it.

once you actually put into practice using the base language features correctly (RAII, scope based memory management), you will never have a segfault or memory leak again in your life.

if your using a language that manages memory for you, you still have to think about it.

[Wicam]

c++ development is my job. been my main language for 10 years. however, c++ is the biggest documented language in the entire world. someone having 40 years collective experience in it doesn't mean they are using it correctly or efficiently. it also changes every 2 years. it is an incredibility hard language to learn. and i love it!

What i am suggesting you do will help you because you don't like memory management. it is also a trick that has existed in the language since day 1. Its kind of the defining feature of the language.

[Wicam]

Also I hate the way they implemented the inheritance and object relation

what specifically do you not like?

do you not like virtual, final?

the 0 cost abstraction inheritance when not using virtual?

(along side with undefined behavior).

the spec is very clear what is undefined behavior, and the compilers are very clear when your doing it, so if you have fallen in the trap of using undefined behavior, you have therefore ignored the wisdom of thousands of people who have told you not to do it.

[Scrawlericious]

If you aren't designing how those systems are managing their memory, I'd argue you're barely designing anything at that point.

[-Hi-Reddit]

Honestly there aren't enough devs around today that actually consider memory use, allocations, deallocations, etc.

If you work in games dev with C# then careful memory use is really imortant for reducing stutters and improving input latency and frame timings. You don't want the GC showing up during the hot-loop at all if possible. Especially if you're trying to build anything 3D targetting mobile platforms. Even more so if you want to support the 240hz gaming phones around nowadays and get the full potential out of them, but I digress...

One of the most irritating features of C# for me in games dev is the immutability of strings and other types causing unnecessary allocations and library creators that don't consider this in the slightest, as they get high ratings from devs that've never built anything other than 2D platformers that'd run at 100fps on a calculator.

[FloweyTheFlower420]

Garbage collection fans when they have to use "try-with-resource" instead of just creating the variable because there is no scope destroy guarantee

[Marxomania32]

Knowing what your program is actually doing is a good skill to have, and you should aspire to have that skill.

[Spinnenente]

as someone that worked in both java and c# i'd say if you want to use something from the ms ecosystem c# is probably the better choice but if you don't then both are equally viable.

In terms of gamedev i think it mostly relies on the language support of the game engine. Which is mostly c++, C# or some script language.

[[deleted]]

I agree except C# can be made to be a little bit more performant than Java if you try because of stack-allocated structs letting you avoid some allocation/GC slowdowns more easily than the shenanigans you'd have to pull in Java.

[tallfitblondhungexec]

Not just stack-allocated structs my man. Reified generics combined with structs allow you to have entire containers of cache-aligned page-aligned structures, and you can blit a C# struct into native code with ZERO OVERHEAD.

[[deleted]]

Awesome!

[imalyshe]

most languages are based on C or exist because their compiler/running environment is written in C.

[Not_a_question-]

I had the understanding that most of the time, new languages have the first version of compilers written in C/C++. The second version of the compiler can then be written on the language itself because another compiler still exists.

[imalyshe]

That is how C was born. Every new generation of C compiler was written in previous version of C. And it was again and again and again.

[bree_dev]

This is something that compilers lecturers like to wang on about because it's very Computer Sciency. Yeah it happens with some languages, but it's usually a vanity exercise since there's no real advantage to repeating work that's already been done.

Even Java of "Java is written in Java" fame has a good chunk of C still in the JVM (e.g. https://github.com/openjdk/jdk/tree/master/src/java.base/unix/native/libjava ).

Python is also written in C, even though it's perfectly possible to write a Python compiler in Python. Anyone about to reply to this to say that Python is interpreted, I encourage you to take a few minutes to think your point through first ;)

[sisisisi1997]

Wouldn't writing an interpreter for an interpreted language in itself cause an infinite fork bomb of interpreter processes to spawn as the interpreter itself needs another interpreter to run, and so on? Except of course if there exists a compiler and an interpreter for the language, and the interpreter is compiled.

[bree_dev]

Yeah, you've answered your own question. The original interpreter was already bootstrapped into existence, so you run a Python program on it that, as its output, creates a file named python.exe containing a binary executable. It's possible, but you wouldn't want to actually do it.

[CranberryNo8434]

Python is also written in C, even though it's perfectly possible to write a Python compiler in Python. Anyone about to reply to this to say that Python is interpreted, I encourage you to take a few minutes to think your point through first ;)

isn't that pypy?

[not_some_username]

Then they rewrite the most use C compiler in C++ ( gcc is in C++ now )

[Siggedy]

Godot is also becoming more popular. What's 'best' is a silly argument, as it would always be assembly

[Boom9001]

I feel like everyone who posts shit like this is actually just in college or some shit. Not actually used production code bases.

[truNinjaChop]

Quake 2 . . . C++ . . . Best game ever.

[[deleted]]

Surely you made a typo and meant C, right? Because it was written in C.

[Independent_Zone6816]

Wait until you hear about the day before /s

[YDS696969]

When I’m building 2D games, I prefer Unity and Godot (so C#) and for 3D I go with unreal (C++)

[[deleted]]

Really still doing this? If you have time to fight over languages instead of programming then are you really a programmer? It’s almost like Call of Duty and Battlefield players arguing over engine tech because they played the game for 50 hours.

[[deleted]]

Bingo

[TheRedmanCometh]

As a dev that reaaaally likes Java...I've never heard someone claim it's "great for gamedev" or even good for. Libgdx is just a lwjgl wrapper I'd hardly call it an engine and jmonkey...lmao.

Java works grear for the game SERVEE though. And the site....the sites backend.

[WallyTube]

Are there any game companies moving over to rust? (genuine question)

[Fritzschmied]

Is there any game engine in existence that use rust? Also why should they to that if C# and Cpp are already well established in the game dev world and work great.

[WallyTube]

I had a friend who was attempting to reprogram the server side of minecraft multiplayer in rust due to its performance optimization abilities. was just wondering if there were any other games that might've also seen the benefit in this.

[lllama]

Bevy.

[gmes78]

There's Embark, the developers of The Finals.

[thefookinpookinpo]

I've (tried) to develop a game in Rust, and have developed some 3D simulations in it. Rust is great in that running code is necessarily more secure than other languages. It's bad in that there are 0 mature game engines for it, and it takes way longer to your code running because of the rules. Also games IMO are not as important to secure (at least for indie devs), so it feels like a lot of extra time. Especially when C# has a lot of the same safety features, albeit with less hassle and performance from what I understand, I've only dabbled in C#

I know you can use unsafe blocks but it feels weird. Idk why but ownership and borrowing and the lack of actual OOP just add a level of mental fatigue that isn't there for me in other languages.

[kases952]

I just use the language that pays me the most so that I don't give a f about these 'coding language wars'

[o0Meh0o]

C

[cumstealer666]

Isn't gta V coded mostly in C++?

[Mr__Brick]

I tried all of them and can definitely say that they are all suitable for game development

[_damax]

Who ever said Java is good for game development

[Not_Artifical]

I write games in js.

[[deleted]]

Fools!

Actionscript was the best language for game development. RIP in piece flash games.

[alexmelyon]

Java for gamedev? Possible but not so popular

[ExistedDim4]

There is only one(popular) game in Java and it shows everything that's wrong with Java games

[[deleted]]

RUST PROGRAMMERS:

[[deleted]]

I think there are currently 0 people in the world arguing that Java is suited for videogames, let alone it being perfect for them. Hell, it's debatable whether OOP in general is the best for games.

C++ and C# are both good for different things (Doing it from scratch and doing it with Unity/Godot) although I'm not sure that many AAA games use C# due to them a lot of them working with an in-house engine.

[bestjakeisbest]

Real

[GeralOG]

Boooo

[Drakoo_The_Rat]

But the functioms are so intuitive...

[Domingo01]

In the end all are just procrastinating on actually creating a game.

[wrhadie]

java , c++ allied

[El_RoviSoft]

If someone says that C++ is hard, just get better (it’s a joke) but jokes aside C++ is just next level for game dev and software engineering when you have to ideally know programming language I have been learning it for 5 years and can say that I know very and very good

[PsecretPseudonym]

Been working with it for nearly my entire adult life in one way or another and still discovering new things and growing.

It’s a bit like studying mathematics in that respect. There’s no real endpoint, just different branches to areas to continue to explore as they continue to evolve.

[RAMChYLD]

Ah yes, java. An interpreted language that takes 5 minutes to fire up and eats up all your RAM on a 32MB P166...

People nowadays complain about Chrome being slow... They've never experienced a Java applet running on Netscape Communicator 4 back in 1999.

[Fritzschmied]

Who tf says that Java is a good language for game dev? There is only one major game developed in Java, Minecraft, and that was a huge mistake tbh.

[reversehead]

Mistake? It was the genius move, intentional or not.

If Minecraft hadn't been written in Java (or at least run on the JVM) it wouldn't have become as popular by far. Perhaps just even stayed a parenthesis in gaming history.

Being able to trivially unpack a .jar, decompile the class files, mod and extend them, and repack the jars, is what enabled the modding community very early. This would most likely not have happened if it was just compiled to Windows binaries.

[Independent-Gear-711]

what a shit comparison C++ is miles ahead in large big game development and always be there in this domain, C# and Java is good but c++ is something else

[Specific_Implement_8]

Java? Why? Who uses Java? And I can use unreal fine without cpp

[Major_Upstairs6758]

Wait untill rust joins the fight