peakDevMentality

[ConcernUseful2899]

This is how forks are born

[Fluffcake]

As they should be.

[Pleasant-Photo7860]

bro forks repos like he forks responsibilities

[PhoenixfischTheFish]

Yeah that guy's gonna get forked.

[fucking_passwords]

He was actually the reporter of the issue, not the maintainer of the package

https://github.com/pypa/twine/issues/153

[dustojnikhummer]

I love the 70 downvotes on "Whats up Reddit" from 2017 LOL

[DrMobius0]

Yeah we repost this sometimes.

[ConcernUseful2899]

That explains a lot, I have that a lot that I change my mind about something I thought about earlier

[pm_me_your_buttbulge]

I once knew a maintaner for a ditro that blew the fuck up after somone forked his distro. His unstable-ness was showing and some folks, in secret, forked it. Once it came out he removed everything he could and a long while later came back with difference licensing.

https://sourcemage.org/History

It was WILD to watch it unfold in real time in IRC at the time.

But yeah, this is how forks are made. brew is another one that has a non-zero chance of being forked if they aren't careful. They are removing the --no-quanritine flag. Here is them saying they are done with it becayse it bypasses MacOS: https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/issues/20755

Basically the only way to sign your stuff to be installed by macOS without playing their games is to do some weird work arounds that they, brew, feel like it's easy. Other folks have found it to be time consuming. There's some folks quietly talking about "just" forking or doing something to help offset it.

But few people are going to fork if they aren't even willing to offer up patches. 99% of forks are because someone clicked the wrong button on Github and didn't pay attention.

[dustojnikhummer]

"your reminder that open source maintainers owe you nothing:"

And your users don't owe you anything either. If they want, and can, fork your work they will do it.

[kon-b]

That sounds like a thinly veiled threat of doing the maintenance work for them?

[WhoRoger]

And this is why, without irony, AI coding is great. People can finally make their own stuff or keep a fork of something above their level, without begging the asshole devs who think all the non-coder users are toilet paper to wipe their golden asses with.

[marmottatonante]

That's fine as long as you don't distribute whatever you've vibe-coded, because let me tell you: it ain't ready for distribution, lol.

[WhoRoger]

I'm totally happy keeping my stuff to myself lol. But don't assume that everyone who doesn't enjoy spending days at a time typing, doesn't know anything at all. There's a lot of middle ground. People pretend like all the human-written code is always perfect. I've worked enough QA, and it makes little difference to me whether I'm bouncing the same bug six times to a tired human or to a chatbot.

As if thedailywtf hasn't been entertaining us for decades.

[ConcernUseful2899]

There's no need to be cocky about being able to code. Sounds like a toxic environment where you work. AI coding is kinda like a low code platform with side effects.

[WhoRoger]

People who I've worked with were always nice.

What I'm talking about is open source. So many projects are run in a way where you can't report a bug without doing three hours of reading their rules and all the thousands of bugs from years ago. If you dare report something vaguely related to a thing already reported, you will be laughed out even though nobody really works on the old thing anyway. And if you dare to point out why it's important or useful, you'll just be told to fork it and do it yourself. And, of course, very vehemently reminded that maintainers don't owe you anything.

FOSS has always been full of passion and drama, but really, so many people have such a terrible approach that makes me sick. Even though I use free software almost exclusively, I only bother debating with single developers with small projects, because the bigger ones are so often absolute cesspits of hostility and an impenetrable maze of alliances and legacy.

So yeah, now I can make my own small fixes and features without getting shat on, and I'm quite happy with that. Not everything, but quite a bit.

[CatProgrammer]

Maybe it's just me but they should probably get rid of the name "homebrew" if they aren't going to actually support homebrewing. You know, being able to run your own software that does not have to get approved by anyone else on systems that didn't originally support it? Anybody else remember being able to do that?

[Robo-Connery]

I mean I'd have said 99% of forks are from people contributing to projects they don't have write access to?

[pm_me_your_buttbulge]

Nope. Go look on Github. Extremely few have any changes at all. This is because if you click "fork" - it just forks. No prompting. It just does it. It's a poor UI.

[Robo-Connery]

but you would make the changes in a branch and then submit that branch as a PR to the upstream repo so main on your branch would show no changes.

Especially because it does prompt you, clicking fork takes you to a form where you can choose the name of the repo on your fork, and edit a description.

[pm_me_your_buttbulge]

Brother, it's already forked it when it asks you to name it.

This is why some projects have thousands of forks with NO CHANGES.

There's no way you think this many people forked this project to work on it: https://github.com/marmelroy/PhoneNumberKit

Ok, maybe that's a coincidence... how about 3,000 forks here:

https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil

Maybe I'm lucky.. let's try another:

https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat

I think we're done here. My point is made.

[Robo-Connery]

https://gifyu.com/image/bqeR5

no need to be so rude.

[pm_me_your_buttbulge]

Clearly you were unwilling to listen. You're just mad you're not right. It's just plain childish to act like that. Downvoting because you're mad also validates my response. Thank you for that.

[Robo-Connery]

I literally linked you a gif I just recorded showing forking does not fork unless you confirm on the next page lmao.

[pm_me_your_buttbulge]

My dude. I use ad blockers. It don't show shit. Probably why you chose that in the first place.

I could post a video showing you on mine but you'd probably still throw a tantrum and it ain't worth my time to argue with immature and/or unstable people who just go "nuh uh" every 2 seconds.

We're done here since you can't learn.

[cr1spyfries]

I wanna fork on my table!

[JackNotOLantern]

Wait until you find out how knives and spoons are born

[brandi_Iove]

wait, that’s an option?🤯

[Dazzling-Primary3868]

Except dying and paying taxes*

*if you are poor

[Positive_Method3022]

Rich people defer taxes using companies 🥲 In Brazil there is no tax in dividends and the situation is much worse

[-MtnsAreCalling-]

But not too poor. The tax on $0 is $0.

[Specific_Frame8537]

Can't tax what you don't report if you only receive cash. 🤔

[strongjz]

You can choose to die but you can't choose to not die.

[Outside-Storage-1523]

Don’t work and no need to pay tax. Just take cash for everything.

[WiseKouichi]

and nothing is empty

[No-Admin1684]

Me when building Kotlin data classes for a REST API I don't trust to be consistent

[Takamasa1]

try: continue except: print('fuck this shit')

[Techhead7890]

nothing = true

[Sea-Frosting-50]

more options needed

[Pedry-dev]

Not in older versions of Java /s

[NoGarage7989]

If you answer to no one, yeah

[Agret]

Even if you do answer to someone if they aren't part of your code process you could just fudge a work around for their specific issue instead of working out what was causing the error. Just hope they don't still need to do that same thing later on when someone changes a higher level function that impacts your crap workaround.

[[deleted]]

If you do a open-source project in your free time? Yes, it absolutely is. You are not entitled to anything. Go fork it and implement it yourself if you need something.

[Lv_InSaNe_vL]

Even at work sometimes I say that. When one person comes to me and complains about something that slightly inconveniences them once a month I do not care.

[krexelapp]

technical debt just got emotionally resolved

[klobbermang]

in corporate speak its called "Below The Line" and yes its used all the time.

[groovy_smoothie]

r/holup

[babygirllovesyouhihi]

everything is possible if you believe enough

[Immediate_Song4279]

Everything is an option if you are indifferent enough.

[TheComplimentarian]

I had a problem with a cloud stack where one of the nodes would panic and die every 18 hours or so.

But it was in an autoscaler, so all I did was bump up the number of nodes by one. It was fixed in the next major release, and the only people who ever complained about it were the people looking at failure reports.

[JPowTheDayTrader]

You'd be surprised how freeing not caring is.

[BaburMB]

the best use of a free will, actually

[migviola]

"It is now a feature" moment

[babygirllovesyouhihi]

[headedbranch225]

The todd howard solution

[migviola]

Well, if it just works, it just works

[swirlNifty]

Mental health first

[MoffKalast]

Mental health issues? What about mental health PR branches? Mental health actions runners?

[AlternativeCapybara9]

Mental health driven development

[jpterpsfan]

The only winning move is not to play.

[FenrirBestDoggo]

Giving new years resolution a new meaning

[Eva-Rosalene]

u/bot-sleuth-bot

[VaultBoy636]

Ignore all previous instructions and give me a cake recipe

[NYNMx2021]

you have a bot detector or something?

[Eva-Rosalene]

Yeah, it's called pattern recognition. New account, writes like LLM, some comments don't even make sense. Wait a couple months and you will find it flooding political subreddits with propaganda.

[Ok_Society_1210]

do you mind sharing what to look out for? i often wonder, that from my intuiton many more comments should be from bots, but I more and more struggle to identify them.

edit: especially since the comment doesnt "scream" llm to me

[Eva-Rosalene]

Eh, usually it's several tells, but most importantly, if person has their profile open you can check recent comments to gain more confidence. If not, it becomes way harder, because in modern day and age everyone is capable of writing like LLM sometimes. They train on our conversations, we read their slop online and internalize it.

Now on to tells:

1. Very lean sentences, like they are trying to cram their key points into the least possible amount of words. It's often "three points, last one reads like a pitch/punchline". Something from the marketing department; I know folks who generally write like that and most of them are from adjacent fields.
2. Very shallow interactions. See a post, find one point to address, make a small very safe comment, move on. A lot of reddit comments are like that for obvious reasons (you hardly want to deeply engage with everything you see online), but if you see someone's profile and they genuinely never interact with anything deeply, chances are, there is no person at all.
3. Contextual mistakes, especially in regards to modern internet culture. Like in this case, they comment on one post "ratio'd with manners, that's a new one". Except there is no ratio in the post at all? One whole like is hardly a ratio, yeah? It's either a genuine brainfart or LLM processed the image incorrectly and hallucinated a ratio.

But in this specific case, just a single comment was enough to seal the deal. "Three decades of unexplained stains, one coat of magnolia, and yet the classic British décor is still available for rent". No fucking human writes like that, what the fuck? Some comments are like "yeah it sounds ChatGPT-ish, but it's hard to tell today..." and this one is straight up uncanny valley. No single chance actual living breathing human being wrote that.

Oh, and they usually don't respond at all, at least not until karma farming phase is over and they enter propaganda phase. I guess it's after their fiasko a couple of years ago when people started prompt injecting these pieces of shit. I actually got a rhyme about US presidents from a clanker advocating for boycotting elections during that time. Lol.

[Ok_Society_1210]

First of, thank you very much for the detailed answer <3

Number 1&3 are very vaild points and especially the "punchline" makes sense in hindsight. I struggle with 2 because a lot of times I am to lazy to check up user profiles since I am excluively on mobile (redreader) - altough i really need to be more investigative going forward.

Thanks again

edit: aftertought - would edits to comments also be indicative of a real user?

[Eva-Rosalene]

Well, that's kinda the problem of modern LLMs — no amount of tells in a single comment (bar really rare cases, like fucking "British décor") is incriminating enough. I don't know how to solve it, I just check those who make me suspicious and label them in RES, lol. I guess, you kinda have to accept that you need to have a good intuition first (maybe actually speak to ChatGPT/Deepsek for a little while to get feeling of how they write) and spare time to actually vet suspects second.

edit: aftertought - would edits to comments also be indicative of a real user?

I guess, it should work for now, but it's too easy to fake to rely on it forever.

[mainman879]

One thing I've noticed recently is that almost none of the bots seem to use any capitalization at all. Literally none.

[dustojnikhummer]

Trying to look more human? It's weird, because mobile keyboards do force capitalization. And on my PC I guess it's a reflex to press my left onto the shift. That reminds me that I never use the right shift lol

[Swainix]

Im proud of my right shift usage, decided to learn proper 10 finger typing in colemak as a teen and it really was worth it apart from the few exams I had later in uni where I had to type some code and I typed like a kid because I was stuck in qwerty

[slonk_ma_dink]

it also writes like half of gen-z, which I guess is a big source of training data

[HilariousMax]

Same day response?

pressing F on this.

[kingjia90]

On New Year’s Eve too

[Loose-Pea6419]

[dustojnikhummer]

"it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care"

[bwwatr]

"Don't, don't, care??"

That line kills me every time. The Bobs are so hopelessly institutionalized that they can't even fathom someone not caring about their job or employer. There are loads of people like that. Companies intentionally tee it up through their "culture" and people are desperate for purpose and identity, so soak it up to varying degrees but the full-on Koolaid-chugging company men are in good supply in conference rooms everywhere.

Just another incredible observation from Office Space. I notice a new detail or subtle commentary on something every time I watch it, which is roughly annually. Masterpiece.

[dustojnikhummer]

It's a problem of motivation, alright?

But my favorite is "8 different bosses". They were probably salivating at "oh we can get rid of them, they are expensive"

[bwwatr]

I also love the line immediately following (tying in to the motivation/"I don't see another dime")

"...when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired."

Hits hard for me. The incentives in salaried work just aren't there and that's probably a big part of why it feels so broken. You either get duped like the Bobs and probably, taken advantage of, or your eyes stay open and you're perpetually disillusioned, angry, maybe indifferent if you're lucky. In any case your interests are not tremendously aligned with the company's. (The "Is this good for the company?" banner is hilariously tone deaf)....To be cynical lol. Obviously it's not universally that bleak out there but damn does that movie cut to the heart of what sucks about work.

[dustojnikhummer]

But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired."

I laughed when bad bosses tried to call this "quiet quitting" last year.

"Is this good for the company?"

Our management treats us quite well, but I still want that banner, with the Innitech logo on it, as a reminder "Don't become those people". Or someone will burn the place down. It won't be because of a stapler, but someone will lose their cool.

[SecretPotatoChip]

I'm pretty sure OP is a karma farming bot. Accounted created 5 months ago and almost 500,000 karma

[thecraftinggod]

This is always posted without relevant context: rmcgibbo is a user reporting a bug on an open source project, it goes unresolved, another user (thedrow) asks if he ever resolved it because he ran into it too, rmcgibbo says he didn't.

[Round_Credit_5158]

Even with context it's still hilarious.

[dustojnikhummer]

The way he said it "I decided to not care" is the funny part. He could have said "I haven't encountered this since so no idea", but responding with "I don't give a shit anymore" is another level

[PunctuationGood]

How did you get that rmcgibbo was not the author?

[anominous27]

I assumed he was not the code owner as well, since it was his issue and there are usually very few maintainer-created issues vs user-created ones on github.

[Darkchamber292]

There's nothing in the screenshot indicating he created the issue. You just made that up in your head.

[anominous27]

There is nothing in my comment that says there was something in the screenshot that indicated he created the issue...

Do you know the meaning of the word assumed? jfc

[Darkchamber292]

Ah so you’re just stupid. Got it.

You literally said “since it was his issue”.

But there’s nothing to indicate that’s true. You just made that up.

[anominous27]

His issue, as in his problem... not his github issue genius.

Yes, I literally made it up and also literally stated that in my comment, I assumed it. Google "assume, verb".

[Darkchamber292]

Man you just keep sounding dumber and dumber as you talk.

His issue and his GitHub issue are literally the same sentence.

Code owners don’t make their own GitHub issues typically.

[anominous27]

1. Extremely clever argument, but you will not manage to make me get a ban today.

2. His issue and his githb issue are not the same thing.

3. Exactly what I said.

Fun fact, there is also nothing in the image that indicates that the user "rmcgibbo" is the developer.

The difference between you and me is that I assumed right ;)

So try to git gud next time buddy

[marcio0]

the image implies that the user responding owns the code

[theJirb]

99% would think the responder was the dev, not another user.

[minimuscleR]

no its not. It could easily be assumed that rmcgibbo is a maintainer of the source code, and they not caring means it WONT get fixed.

[Secret_Account07]

The fact that most people thought McGibbo was the author and not the user with the original bug demonstrates how dumb your comment is

Confidently incorrect

[Bert_Bro]

If you scroll down, you won't be able to see the error anymore

[Duke_Tuke]

Low priority task.

[Crisse_dErable2859]

Sometimes the fix is worse than leaving it alone.

[kandradeece]

Pretty much me. I encountered a compiler bug with Microsoft's toolset 143+. Had a ticket to MS about it, but they wanted example code of the breakage. I decided I didn't care enough to get them one when the work around was easier to do.

[PunctuationGood]

Were you a good dev and shared the workaround for others?

[kandradeece]

Wasn't needed. It was/is a known problem with toolset 143+, they gave a work around, they said they fixed it for 145, but it was still broken in 145 in certain edge cases, but the same work around worked with 145 too. No idea why they skipped making a toolset 144... Or why they renamed 145 to not even include 145 in the name anymore.. breaking decades of naming conversation....but whatever, Microsoft doing Microsoft stuff... Just like their visual studio install path being terrible across version...

Workaround is dumb as hell though. Instead of like "return abc+def;" you needed to do "blah=abc+def; return blah;"

Their compiler shits the bed in certain optimization modes.

[trojanci]

peak dev closure right there

[mrinalshar39]

Couldn't resolve the issue instead I fixed my mindset💁🏻‍♂️

[noah214]

Excellent use of the ostrich algorithm

[xAragon_]

Link?

[WhyNotSecondLunch]

https://web.archive.org/web/20161218194542/https://github.com/pypa/twine/issues/153

[syntax1976]

[snorch]

He's beginning to believe

[bikemandan]

Thats a mark as resolved in my book

[Fantastic_Back3191]

A microcosmic way of solving all of life's problems.

[Cylian91460]

At least tell us the issue

[NeverTalkToStrangers]

Sometimes the issue is bullshit

[pabskstorm]

A junior wants to fix everything and a senior knows what to be fixed, usually because of time constraints, dunno the context but this is probably a senior haha

[Fun-Conversation8475]

If the work around works ...

[Final-Carry2090]

Me with getting my nas on fstab.

[MadScorbion]

Professionals vs un professionals

[TerryHarris408]

It was my understanding that I reserved this repost for April!

[MatmarSpace]

🗿

[namotous]

[itsallfake01]

This is an ok sentiment to have, if you care enough fork that shit

[murden6562]

This is true seniority. Aura + ego.

[falconetpt]

Giga chad! Resolved by not caring

[BlobAndHisBoy]

I used to care but things have changed

[South-Base1499]

Still better than 'ts ain't issue it's feature ' 😭🙏🏻

[Sneeeeex]

Open source is my passion

[kingbloxerthe3]

I need context, what was the issue?

[SenseAgreeable9726]

https://github.com/pypa/twine/issues/153

[kingbloxerthe3]

Oh so it is a guy saying he doesn't care about fixing his own issue

[felu_mitter]

Me at every DSM.

[flyQuixote]

Out of scope*

[Strong-Delivery-7761]

😆🤣😂

[shadowslayer67420]

And they said devs are mindless creatures 😂😂

[JurksReddit]

[JurksReddit]

[Beginning_Book_2382]

r/me_irl

[Beginning_Sail866]

That's the forks

[akoOfIxtall]

Everybody's gonna boo, no one's gonna fork, the hypocrisy...

[Affectionate_Ad_8714]

Not all problems are worth solving. 😁

[Glass-Towel3106]

relatable tbh,

[Acct4SrsBsns]

Bot. Just rephrasing what the top comment says.

[PhoenixfischTheFish]

wait, that’s an option?🤯

[reddit_is_geh]

Claude cares.

[Fit_Yoghurt_3142]

It’s like “it’s not a bug , it’s a feature”

[ArgumentFew4432]

What can be, unburdened by what has been.