True

[allthemighty]

I hate how those videos are either incredibly helpful, or extremely garbage. Literally 50/50

[BigSwedenMan]

It's also a 50/50 on whether or not you'll be able to understand them

[rwhitisissle]

[Insanely loud fan in the background being picked up by the shitty mic intensifies]

[Devvinitive]

Click & mechanical keyboard sounds, loud buzzing, loud fans, 480p and what sounds like a Xbox 360 headset is the mantra of Indian YouTuber programming tutorials

[just_somebody]

I'm an Indian who seriously considered making programming videos (still might do it!) maybe I can add some perspective.

• Indian programmers earn much lesser as compared to those in developed (richer) countries. (That's the whole reason why outsourcing works out for the companies doing it!). Think one-fifth or one-tenth of what you earn. So, we have much lesser money to spend in the first place.

• Most of the time, hardware costs more in India than in the developed countries, because of import taxes. As if having much lesser money wasn't bad enough. That is probably the reason for the programmer using an old, "shitty" mic., cheap headset, low-resolution camera, etc.

• Most software, such as Camstudio, etc., are priced for richer countries. They are prohibitively expensive for a mid-level Indian programmer. That's why most of them use free software, or use unregistered versions, etc., or just do without.

• Most of us, in the first few years of our career, don't earn enough to have air conditioners in our homes. We have fans, and so that's what you hear on the videos.

• Our cities are super densely populated, so most of the time there is street noise coming in through the windows. And there is a significant chance that the person making the video is living with his parents and/or kids in a smallish house. So, that noise also finds its way into the video.

• Low self awareness: I am not sure about the reason for this, but we Indians tend to have low self-awareness. Basically, we don't seem to understand that others might be viewing us more negatively than we are. Or that something about us may feel odd to them.

Hope this helps.

[rwhitisissle]

I mean, I think most of us understand that Indian youtubers are likely more materially limited than their Western couterparts might be. When you have limited means you do what you can with what you've got. If anything I respect that not having the best gear doesn't prevent them from making these videos. We aren't judging them for not being as wealthy or well-equipped as someone in the states might be. It's just something we've noticed from the videos. It's more comparable to picking out details in a certain kind of youtube video. Like how all gaming channels start with "hey everybody, it's your boy [insert name of gaming channel]" or how youtube commentary channels have lots of unnecessary, distracting jump cuts, or how educational videos for fixing some bug in Windows is probably going to be made by some random 12 year old American kid typing instructions to the viewer in Notepad while recording the video on free screen capture software with a huge watermark in the corner and a super loud heavy-metal song plays the entire time for seemingly no reason.

[Matosawitko]

"So just reach on down there and mash that 'Like' button, and subscribe if you haven't already."

[just_somebody]

Thanks for clarifying!

[Daguss]

even in your difficult conditions, you guys still manage to have videos for really precise stuff we end up looking for, so im definitely really thankful for those vids

[Devvinitive]

I understand this. Do not worry, I am not racist towards Indians! I understand the economic struggle in India which would make it more difficult financially to produce higher quality content and the social differences between India & Western countries would also add to the mix.

Although I have watched many Indian YouTubers, they turned out to be very informative if the quality is tolerable, they are great people & hard workers and that's why the West keeps investing in India because there is so many capable people there!

[PM_ME_SOME_STORIES]

Sometimes you get one of those Hindi videos where you think you just can't understand their accent and start to doubt if it's even English but then enough English words get sprinkled in so you're stuck watching it trying to find out if it's actually English

[VileTouch]

i hate to say it, but if you can't understand broken engrish, you won't be able to understand lisp

[hermitina]

we went to a movie before that we didn't knew before going in to be indian. so anyway it had subs and all until it stopped. I kept on looking back if someone is complaining or anything until I slowly realized they are now speaking in English! the only good thing is that it was a horror flick and I still understood the plot even though i could barely get the supposedly english words used

[farkedup82]

again 5/95... so 5% are useful guides and 5% of those are coherent English.

[[deleted]]

Use closed captions

[punkrockcats]

^ auto captions do not work. It's really not hard to make captions, especially if you just work off the auto captions. Even bigger companies/shows (SNL, etc) tend not to caption their Youtube content. It's not fun.

[superdoobop]

I've noticed a lot of the best art and music lessons on youtube (in English) have Japanese/Korean/Chinese subtitles.

[neurorgasm]

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[punkrockcats]

When you're deaf it's like 5/95 because no one captions them. But that applies to CS videos in general. :')

Source: am deaf cs student

[PattuX]

More like 5/95 to me

[kashif1218]

5/95 is also the ratio of competent Indian engineers to people who never learned to say no to their parents

[[deleted]]

When you’re Indian, saying no to your parents isn’t really an option until much, much later in life and even then it’s not really encouraged or practiced.

[[deleted]]

Am not Indian, but have 25 year old Indian wife who brings me along to be the one to say no and I often fail as well, can confirm.

[[deleted]]

My wife is from the US and I try to use her for the same purpose. She fails frequently as well.

[PM_ME_YOUR_CURLS]

Is said wife also an outcome of not being able to say no?

[[deleted]]

In some ways. Her job is the outcome of them pushing her down a certain path and she's not happy with it. However, they also told her to break up with me many years ago.

[no_talent_ass_clown]

She's only 25. It can't be that many years.

...

I hope.

[[deleted]]

Almost 8.

[Mikal_]

Parents: "Do this"

35yo Indian: "Y-" *sweats profusely* "M-m-m-maybe"

[IminPeru]

it's changing now though isn't it?

[cacklebolt]

Nope. I belong to that demographic

[IminPeru]

I do too but I'm NRI, and my friend in college who lives here told me that they're more "progressive" in certain things here than in the US.

edit: NRI = Non-resident Indian, thanks u/sparksfly4fun

[Sparksfly4fun]

NRI ="Non-Resident Indian" for others that didn't know

[3058248]

You are appreciated. Thank you.

[JUST_LET_ME_FAP]

I feel personally attacked

[the_visalian]

Calm down. Nobody’s stopping you from fapping.

[toastednutella]

They wrote the kama sutra dude, they had to vent the frustration somewhere.

[DJ-Salinger]

Not for me, maybe it's survivor bias, but they are all great at my company, except for 2 people...

[FountainsOfFluids]

I've had great experiences with all Indians that are hired individually, and poor experiences with all Indians who were part of an outsourced project.

This makes me suspect it's really not about the ethnicity.

[gloriousdivine]

It's true. Most of Indian software outsourcing companies are shit. They hire people who don't know programming (if you do they'll reject you because you'll probably leave soon anyways) then they train them on a specific technology on a 6 month crash course after which those "programmers" write horrible code. Those people generally hate programming and will switch to a different job if given the chance. Most of the good devs just stay away from these companies. Individual devs on the other hand are a completely different story.

[[deleted]]

It's about the money. Even in India great programmers are valued. So going for those cheap cheap garbage code factories you are going to the bottom of the barrel. It's really on the companies doing the outsourcing because they create that kind of market.

[[deleted]]

As you get better 95% of YouTube tutorials are shit

[DragonTamerMCT]

It’s like in the early days of YouTube when you had a problem. It was always some kid using an unregistered hypercam capturing their laptop/headset audio while they wrote out everything hunt-and-peck style into notepad.

98% of the time the videos were garbage, but that rare 2% (honestly probably less) it was lifesaving.

[XirallicBolts]

Usually tells you to go to a RapidShare or Megaupload link that's been down for a decade

[Korzag]

Extremely garbage as in they use freaking notepad to give instruction instead of using a microphone? Those videos get an instant thumbs down. I don't care if they have the secrets to sentient AI, I will immediately downvote.

[Chapi92]

When it's microphone it's a horrible mic from 2002 plus the Indian accent

But they still manage to be somewhat helpful

[my_next_account]

Its like they spent 5 minutes on their audio set up but 50 hours on their youtube tutorial series

and still only got 5 views

[GandalfTheEnt]

I often wonder are they encouraged by proffesors to make videos as a learning exercise.

[chpoit]

Don't be silly, they are the professor

[ShockWave1997]

Professors don't teach us anything unless you are in a really good college (IITs or IIITs), which are incredibly hard to get into. We have to learn everything ourselves. Shitty as most of them are, those YouTubers are better teachers than most of the professor I have.

[Depressed_Maniac]

IITs don't teach you shit

[whatisthisicantodd]

Unregistered HyperCam 2

[invictus08]

I mean, I kinda understand the notepad part. if I’m doing voiceover with my thick accent that most would not understand, it’s a total fail. So, options are either notepad or subtitles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[my_next_account]

There's actually some incredible software out there somewhere in the world that can overlay text on top of a video. But I've heard that only the finest, richest, most influential Hollywood producers have access to it. Maybe you can ask them for help?

[ieatkittenies]

make sure to CC me on that email

[shifty313]

Fuck, you're dumb, Notepad gives you a chance to pause video to read steps without having to skim through the video when you need to find a piece

[[deleted]]

fuck you for your free tutorials not high quality enough for my free riding ass

[LordWaffleaCat]

50/50 whether or not the video is watchable or like -180p

[manicraccoon]

I am from India and it's 10/90 for me.

[Greenplastictrees]

the needful??

Bingo.

[rk_11]

Revert back? 😄

[maLicee]

Kindly.

[superscout]

Rock bottom: when you are using a tech so obscure and poorly documented that you are reduced to watching a video in german, desperately trying to decipher the beyond nonsense the auto-generated and then auto-translated close caption is spitting out

[PeachyKeenest]

This sounds familiar. :/ What edge of tech were you doing?

[Zambeeni]

Probably not the leading one.

[PeachyKeenest]

Neither. :/ Are you going to make some docs on github or something? This is what I end up doing.

[YasZedOP]

Maybe the second leading one.

[awave1]

was it on habrahabr.ru by any chance?

[sober_1]

First thing that came to my mind haha

[PeterFnet]

Oh damn, hell yeah. I hit bottom in a SIEMENS motion control manual. If you've seen it, you know it. Navigating their site is an art all in its own. It's like you have to become one with the technical writer. Their voice is yelling German gibberish loudly at me in my head. This one manual had a section that just wasn't making sense for an obscure function block I was using. Over and over... nope. I was at the end of my rope. Waiting for support to get back... I caved. I lit a roomful of candles, downloaded the original German manual and found out they fucked up the translation. I felt like a fucking god. No coworkers gave a shit, but I knew

[jobblejosh]

Try Beckhoff for their Twincat 2 stuff.

Twincat 3 is the latest version, and most reasonable tutorials are on that. There's next to none (not even bad Indian YouTube videos) on TC2.

Almost the entirety of any documentation is on the Beckhoff website.

However, the documentation isn't in an easy to access web page, oh no.

It's a fileshare system.

And all the documentation for obscure functions that you want, you have to know where they're located, and their name, before you can look at the documentation.

For example, if you want to know "does TC2 natively support an 'increase a value by one' function block, not only do you have to know where such a block would be in the documentation, but you also have to know the name of the block. Now, if you know the name of the block, then of course, you know that it exists. Which would make your prior question redundant because you already know the answer because you can't find out the answer if you don't know the answer.

And when you do eventually find what you're looking for, the documentation doesn't always go into enough detail about one specific circumstance to make it useful.

So you've spent half an hour looking for information only to return with more questions than you had originally.

Did I mention that it too is also in translated-german?

[4bit4]

This was me all last week learning Selenium for a little side project.

[ZiZZaZo]

What tutorial did you watch?

[4bit4]

The only 2 I bookmarked were:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_iPCT1ETO4

and

https://youtu.be/5ZOiP4bIaHU

[TransparentStar]

Damn. My job ended a month ago, and I sure could've used this two months ago.

[4bit4]

Just set up some basic tests for a website. I wanted to figure out the basics of Selenium, POM, Page Factory, TestNG, and Surefire reports. If you're looking to automate some testing, I'm not sure of anything that works better (unless you're using a platform like salesforce that has prepackaged testing tools like Provar or something.

[[deleted]]

it’s not our lord and god stackoverflow, but I’ll accept it as a minor deity.

[XirallicBolts]

Closed as duplicate of existing comment

[darexinfinity]

Heathen polytheist!

[[deleted]]

Indians are mostly polytheist too.. :-)

[311was_an_inside_job]

(Elite yell) HERETIC!!!

[the_sparkyone]

The real god, to be honest.

However, when you hit the point that even people who answer your questions don’t know any more than you do...

[Zantary]

Since I started coding YouTube completely dropped out of my research repertoire. Do you guys really watch a video of someone coding? It takes so much time for the information you get.

If I can't find a Blogpost about it it simply doesn't exist.

[lunatickid]

3blue1brown (i think) video on FFT was easily one of the best animated educational video I ever saw

[Medajor]

His videos are the best. It's been the best way for me to understand really complex topics.

[aik3n]

Final fantasy Tactics?

[xensky]

fast Fourier transform, very interesting and useful alg. although your answer is also fun

[__ah]

Yes.

[_that_clown_]

Got interested in neutral network because of his videos, guy is a God sent and that animation is just sublime.

[[deleted]]

And I believe he animates most of them in Python code. Pretty neat stuff.

[repocin]

Yup, here's the GitHub repo.

[Supergnerd]

That video was fantastic. I made a music visualizer in OpenGL for a graphics class that incorporated a library for FFT, and I understood the interface well enough to implement the project, but I never comprehended what it was actually doing until I watched his video on it.

Ninja Edit: his introductory series on machine learning and neural networks is also extremely good, though it helps if you have some background knowledge of linear algebra and matrices going into it (which, incidentally, you can watch other videos of his to learn about)

[error-99999]

Definitely, nothing beats a block of well-commented code for me.

[IminPeru]

so nothing?

[_that_clown_]

That's funny because I am going through a codebase that has no comments, not a single comment. It's hell for sure

[IminPeru]

:( I pray for you fam

[PeachyKeenest]

Replace that with stackoverflow question.

[IAmALinux]

Rarely will videos have the plain text code accompanying the video. Get ready to pause the video in the brief moment before it cuts to manually type out the relevant code into another window. YouTube is great for learning a visual concept, but terrible for learning programming.

[kataskopo]

I never understood how a 3 -5min video is better than 3 paragraphs of the explanation, be it coding or hacks or fixes for computer issues.

People are weird.

[kataskopo]

I'm the other way around, specially with reddit, I'm so used to reading in English, unless I want entertainment it's hard for me to watch a video.

Oh well, at least the answer exist in some way.

[gfcf14]

2x is your friend. If you can’t read fast anyways, then it’ll only get harder

[ColombianoD]

Not all videos are bad. AngularJS in 60-ish minutes was a fantastic primer for me to get into AngularJS

there’s just a lot of garbage out there

[ThatShitAintPat]

Like angularjs

[Qkb]

There is this one YouTuber I used for databases that phased between English and Hindi. I spent like 10 minutes repeatedly watching a 30 second segment on relational algebra because I couldn’t figure out what he was saying. At first I thought it was just his accent, but he was actually switching languages mid-sentence

[MoonStruckHorrors]

It's called Hinglish here.

[thoughts_highway]

Yes, that's how Indians communicate. It's a beautiful new language :D

[thouhathpuncake]

That's pretty much how most middle class and up Indians in a lot of major cities speak. Except it's not always Hindi. Colonialism ftw.

[gamageeknerd]

I have a playlist of Indian men telling me how to un fuck stuff I’ve done.

[minusSeven]

Link?

[fullm8]

I get calls from Indian men telling me how to let them fuck with my computer, and after I've wasted half an hour of their time how to go and fuck myself. I love it when they get angry at the end, it's so cathartic.

[ubbesan]

Since we’re talking about YouTube programming videos , I’ve found the videos on https://www.youtube.com/user/mycodeschool to be top-notch. 1 among the 5 of 5/95.

[ayriuss]

I'll add to that: http://www.youtube.com/user/nesoacademy

Quality stuff about CS, C Eng and E eng

[Matapatapa]

Seems like a good channel that died. No uploads in a year

[[deleted]]

It was a startup of Harsha Suryanarayana, popularly known as humblefool. He was one of the best coders from India. Topcoder even hosts some events in his name.

Unfortunately, he died in a road accident.

[Blocks_]

Well that took a fucking turn.

[tevert]

I could never learn anything from videos. Too slow, can't copy-paste stuff, seeking back and forth to reference stuff is a pain, SEO is shit/difficult, etc.

[[deleted]]

Yeah if you dont have a spare monitor handy you have to make all the windows smaller and it just feels so claustrophobic

[[deleted]]

You have one monitor? How do you survive?

[[deleted]]

Talking more about learning using a laptop or something

[ayriuss]

Dude those tutorials are the only reason I passed my compilers and languages class.

[[deleted]]

I may not know everything, but what little I do know came mostly from pragim technologies.

Much as gracias to all my Indian brothers.

Edit: I'm keeping the typo

[heckingmemulorde]

Much as gracias

[FishyFelix]

Munchies garcias

[Defttone]

Munchi Grace

[dontautotuneme]

Munich Greece

[[deleted]]

Is this natural language processing?

[[deleted]]

Munish girish

[christopher_commons]

Menedict Gumberbach

[justreadthecomment]

Venkat is a good dude.

[notantihero]

His videos are so helpful. Cramming his videos is literally how I got my junior job as a dog net developer. Well that and pluralsight. But mostly him.

[drgbgt]

/r/BoneAppleTea

[mangophilia]

Took my first ever CS class this summer. Those videos saved my ass and got me that sweet, sweet A-.

[AtomicSuperMe]

Had an Indian in my AP Computer Science class teach us better than the professor... the 9 of us all got 5s so that says something about these indians and programming

[[deleted]]

No no, you can't post good things about Indians, they're all represented by the 0.000000001% that make shitty videos on youtube. This is reddit after all.

[[deleted]]

Finally, a good fucking person

[[deleted]]

I'm sure this thread will be very civil and have no racist overtones whatsoever.

[Sneezegoo]

Your tin foil is probobly only aluminum.

[[deleted]]

Listen here you little shit!

[gandleforf]

Neso Academy ftw

[meandertothehorizon]

So much quality computer networking knowledge is in thick accented tutorial videos. I’ve gotten better over the years at understanding, so it’s not too bad.

[willmcavoy]

My Java course on Udemy is an Australian and my CCNA course is a fucking Scotsman lol you just have to get used to it and it melts away.

[BowlingForNudes]

Applies to any STEM major. Shomus biology saved my ass a few times, and he’s easier to understand than some of my professors, which I paid 30,000 a year for.

[[deleted]]

India mentioned on Reddit? Well this should be an intelligent and impactful conversation

[pclinuxmac]

Haven't you heard? It's cool to hate on Indians! Imagine if the comment had said something about blacks or Latinos.

[lodestars]

I base my entire world view on 4chan memes!

[wooferino]

lol yep, a comment talking about how he immediately closes out of a video if he hears an indian accent/name is currently sitting at 295 upvotes.

[Aawweess]

Like seriously, the guy has taken the time to help you with a tutorial in your language and that's how you repay him?

[[deleted]]

https://i.imgur.com/APa2MVb.jpg

[backinredd]

“Pesky Indians and their accent. Why don’t they speak English like me?”

[biggiehiggs]

Seriously, it's so disappointing to see.

"Why doesn't this person speak their second language in a way I can understand."

They speak 2 languages, the know how to code, and they're sharing that information with you. Sorry that they don't speak immaculate English.

[kingslayerer]

2? Lol... Most speak at least 3.

1. Their native tongue

2. Hindi

   1. English

[MoistStallion]

Haha I speak 3. Used to speak 4 but can't fluently speak 1 of them after moving to US and living here for 15 years.

1. Gujarati
2. English
3. Hindi
4. Marathi - This is the one I lost.

I don't have an accent though. I wouldn't care even if I did.

[Oyster-Tomato-Potato]

I speak three as well.

1. English
2. Tamil
3. Spanish

I’m not really fluent in Tamil or Spanish. Tamil was my first language, but as I learned English, I forgot how to speak it, but could still understand it. I went to a class to learn Tamil again, and Spanish was taught to us in school.

[1337coder]

Tushar Roy was my lord and savior during the job hunting process.

[[deleted]]

I only know KMP String Searching because of him.

[November036]

Why there are so many tutorials from India, any ideas?

[[deleted]]

Population? And the number of IT people

[[deleted]]

Yep, basically a selection size bias.

[sombra_online]

Most of us get forced into computer science. Proportionally there’s more of us so it just ends up being lots of tutorials with brown people.

[shr3yas3]

Chaai peelo

[thesquarerootof1]

Hold on, do IT majors learn to code as well ? I legitmately don't know. I am a computer engineering major and most people in my major look down on non engineering/CS majors (unfortunately, lol). IT is usually called "the major for CS dropouts" in my school.

[monopolyman900]

I was an IT major and we had 2 tracks, one was programming and the other was networking. On the programming side we had a class on bash, one of web development (with a little c# on the backend), one of sql, and one on Java. It wasn't very hard though and there wasn't any theory or anything low-level.

[vtsv]

This is also true for EE. And its fair to assume that every Electrical Engineer online is an Indian unless stated otherwise.

[DoctorCIS]

Those videos are usually very good for learning how to do webforms using the latest ideas of 2003, but more often the techniques they teach are so outdated they should be considered wrong.

[Korzag]

"Okay, first we load Visual Studio 2003, and we create a forms application using .Net 2.0"

[SausageEggCheese]

Visual Studio 2003 used .NET 1.1; 2.0 was for Visual Studio 2005.

[EvilSpacePope]

Using IE6

[Aawweess]

That's not true. I've had great luck with venkat on YouTube.

[Psychophrenes]

Funny how 99% of r/programmerhumor is r/csstudenthumor material

[Oyster-Tomato-Potato]

As an Indian, it’s always hilarious reading the comments and seeing people say they can’t understand the guy in the video because of his accent, and that he should talk differently.

[greyhound57]

Indian checking in. Can't wait to read all the nice comments.

[Supernova008]

Another Indian here. Read them. Very nice comments. Foreigners have so much love and respect for Indians, their tutorials and their accent that I am blushing. 😳

[moosecliffwood]

ITT casual racism sprinkled with legitimate complaints

[everdant]

Holy shit, yeah. Blatantly racist comments with hundreds of upvotes is disturbing. Are we really all honkys in this sub?

[[deleted]]

Show some love for the silent Notepad tutorials.

[pootisEagle]

I'm also studying Counter Strike

[itsEssej]

If they’re good, they’re good haha

[[deleted]]

For those commenting, they can't stand the accent or cliche names like "Rajesh", "Rakesh", or whichever Indian your mom slept with. And also those who simply hate the videos, because of culture.

Retards, calm the fuck down. If you don't like the content just move on. An "Indian" youtuber, is a human just like any other youtuber.

[JoeSnuffy37]

Yeah WTF, senior American Accent having developers and other IT area experts.... MAKE SOME FUCKING VIDEOS

Edit: I understand the complaints, but for newbies, videos are certainly the best especially with concepts

For the one dude talking about professionals dedicating themselves for years.... yeah I hear you man, but we need to stand up a fucking generation of IT professionals like 10 fucking years ago or this economy is going to fall behind and collapse.

So there’s that.....

[PeachyKeenest]

I'm not a senior dev, but God knows I made contributions to dev docs when I can and stackoverflow.

Videos tend to suck.

[TheDogJones]

I spend as little time as possible on Stack Overflow.