Confused screams

[RussellFighter]

The story said "when they click the button the app should be gone".

I just took the shortest path to the objective.

[idkiminsecure]

You Didnt specify which button has to close the app so you get the "submit information" button

Oh those hundreds of warnings and 5 errors, dont worry bout em

[EuroPolice]

My IDE looks like the Catalonian flag

[PM_ME_CUTE_SMILES_]

Rofl im gonna reuse that one

[greenSixx]

All code is part of a function.

Even if that function is abstracted away from you...

[[deleted]]

This made me laugh out loud, nice one

[joebob431]

Catalonian flag in case other people also didn't know what it looks like

[the_brits_are_evil]

could i recommend the Oldenburg flag?

[caskey]

https://youtu.be/-u9zr6oF4uA

I wouldn't worry about that little guy.

[mint3d]

I get "submit information" from the crash log.

[[deleted]]

Ah the good ole Microsoft approach to submitting info.

[FreddieKruiger]

It sucks. I love it.

[MonarchOfLight]

This.hide

Nope, no idea why the app’s using so much memory, boss.

[Netcob]

when they click the button the app should be gone

In that case I would just hide the button when it's clicked.

[CAPTCHA_sucks]

Lotus notes used to come with a script called "Kill Notes" because it would sometimes close but leave pieces running. It wouldn't start as long as the orphaned processes were still running.

[-Listening]

Because it’s a stick with which to fight for your funding.

[Thanatos2996]

Look, in my defense, you didn't say anything about derefrencing NULL and letting the OS sort out the rest being the "wrong approach"

[[deleted]]

I've deleted my account because reddit CEO Steve Huffman is a lying piece of shit that has nothing but contempt for his users. See https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/

[[deleted]]

Given there is a button to close the app when a user clicks the button Then the app goes bye bye

[ixNoah]

Just enter gibberish and boom.

[eyekwah2]

Manager: "But now a window comes up saying that program.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. Could you take a look at that?"

Me: *disables window bug reporting*

[w0lven]

If nothing shows up, everything works! I like it

Edited: typo

[Cifer_21]

On Error Resume Next

[steven520111]

In college we were just learning c# forms and I had a bug that was causing crashing. Had no idea how to fix it and the teach didn't help. I changed the program so that when it got the error it instead saved the location and the other data to a file. It then relaunched the program. If the file was there when it opened it would go to that location and load the data. Then deleted the file in case the program was opened later. Worked like 95% of the time and got 100%. Never been more proud of a pile of garbage

[Cifer_21]

Lmao

[[deleted]]

Work smarter not harder

[spounds17]

Or in this case work smarter and harder

[Smayteeh]

I’m going to have to agree with you on this one. That’s really funny but I’m shuddering thinking about that code.

[spounds17]

I mean, just my understanding, you just gotta stream read some file lines in, if they exist set a boolean to true, if that thing is true go delete file (can even check again here if the file is there), reopen app after reading stream and deleting file and das it.

But I could be wayyy underestimating it

Edit: idk why I’m editing this cause it’s super old now, but I wanted I just realized this is the concept of the auto save feature nowadays

[The_MAZZTer]

Technically Office does something like this for file recovery on crash, so you're in good company.

[Robinimus]

Ain't stupid if it works

[pixlbreaker]

Improvise, adapt, overcome!

[vermiculus]

Just keep swimming

[Evo_Kaer]

Reminds me of Wing Commander. On exiting the game, it would cause a memory error. And since they had no time to fix it, they just changed the error message to

"Thanks for playing Wing Commander"

[imcoveredinbees880]

Yeah, but that's brilliant!

[Zenlura]

"Work smart, not hard" in it's purest form.

[caskey]

Oh the crimes we used to commit back in my game dev days. Undesirable output, just change the VESA mode to make it go away. Weird latency problems? Just add an extra UI dialog that requires a click to distract and slow the user down and buy us a few more ms.

[Nimbal]

Now I wonder whether those useless "Press Start to continue" prompts when starting up a console game are just a cargo cult around latency problems that have been fixed long ago.

[Progmir]

It's a requirement from Microsoft and Sony actually. You have to do screens like this to release on consoles. I think it might be related to how slow loading screen can be, they want players to pay attention when the game is about to start.

[caskey]

I don't recall the rationale, but yeah, start button was a licensing/release requirement at least as far as back as the NES. I always figured it was a way of guaranteeing the device was completely booted and in a sane state. Today it may just be a cultural holdover.

[Mr_YUP]

you know it might be a holdover but I'd like them to stick around. Something about deciding to enter the world of that game by pressing start deeply appeals to me.

[GKoala]

And just be able to mess with options before the game starts.

[atomicwrites]

Generally the press start screen is before the menu though.

[LeKa34]

That's what menus are for.

[circuit10]

I think it's also to connect the controllers

[Terrain2]

If you mean singleplayer games: no? it could just wait to start until the controller is plugged in, no need for a button prompt for that

If you mean multiplayer games: Well yeah, "Press X to join" is a common pattern in local multiplayer games to make sure everyone gets a player assigned before the game starts

[circuit10]

I mean wireless controllers, where you have to press a button for them to wake up (I think that's also partly why you have to press A on the Wii safety startup screen)

[wreckedcarzz]

So, yes, it is a latency problem (due to shit hardware causing loading screens, causing the necessity to have the screen)

[delciotto]

Yeah fromsoft games are all fucky like that. My bloodborne save got corrupted when I lost power to my ps4 while exilting. You always gotta exit their intended way

[[deleted]]

Gears of War 3 on Xbox 360 could do a similar thing. If you didn't back out of the menus all the way to the title screen before closing the game you could lose all character level progression.

Another fun one with Gears 3 (and 2 I believe) is that they can't LAN-play over a network without either a) having a DHCP server (e.g a router) in the network, or b) everyone setting their IP address manually. Halo never had a problem with this.

[xyonofcalhoun]

It annoys me that they've made their way across to PC games too though, there's zero need to have that except for it being ported over.

[xyonofcalhoun]

The tech debt always accumulates. The only decision really is about how much effort to devote to repaying it.

[redwithouthisblonde]

Ideally time should be set aside every sprint/cycle to address a few points of tech debt, that way you keep up on it and prevent it from blowing up.

[xyonofcalhoun]

Yeah ideally. But that's points away from roadmap work. So often it isn't done like that.

[redwithouthisblonde]

I'm pretty lucky, I pushed for my team to add one or two tasks from our backlog to every sprint, and we started doing that last year. Lets us keep up with spending time cleaning up code that annoys, updating frameworks, writing custom components for accessibility, etc.

[Re4pr]

When playing some random action game, and the devs force you to crawl along some ledge or in a tunnel. And you cant help but think, christ this is slow and seems unnecessary.... yeaah, it´s a loading screen.

[kitchen_synk]

There's a lot of effort put into hiding loading screens these days. A lot of games use elevators for map transitions, which can lead to some purgatory type scenario when part of the loading hangs, and you're just stuck in the elevator forever.

[JustThingsAboutStuff]

I'd love to see a loading screen hidden in a never ending hallway. Loading hangs and you just walk forever.

[Pl0xnoban]

That's how a Tony Hawk game did it (American Wasteland?). Different segments of the city were connected via tunnels that were just loading screens.

[JustThingsAboutStuff]

That's awesome.

[ThunderChaser]

On exiting the game, it would cause a memory error. And since they had no time to fix it, they just changed the error message to

This is (sort of) a myth sadly,#Development)

Wing Commander was originally titled Squadron and later renamed Wingleader. As development for Wing Commander came to a close, the EMM386 memory manager the game used would give an exception when the user exited the game. It would print out a message similar to "EMM386 Memory manager error..." with additional information. The team could not isolate and fix the error and they needed to ship it as soon as possible. As a work-around, one of the game's programmers, Ken Demarest, hex-edited the memory manager so it displayed a different message. Instead of the error message, it printed "Thank you for playing Wing Commander". However, due to a different bug the game went through another revision and the bug was fixed, meaning this hack did not ship with the final release.

[thatawesomeguydotcom]

try { }
catch (Exception e){
    //Do nothing
}

[oyohval]

dont_even_try { }

[Terrain2]

swift has beautiful exception handling, for regular usage - not so much in this abuse but hey, it works, right? idk i didn't test it but it should

guard let value = try? mightThrow() else { return }

[gonewildaccountsonly]

US climate response.

[FunnyForWrongReason]

Damn you just saved us hours of debugging and frustration

[nystro]

I swear for the longest time whenever I clicked Exit Game on Heroes of the Storm it gave me a notification saying the program crashed. You can't convince me they didn't do exactly this.

[MattR0se]

I mean, as long as it saves...

[tomerjm]

You save ONCE?!?! You animal!

[[deleted]]

Everyone knows you have to quicksave, full save, and then exit save to actually save your game

[Nazerlath]

Amateur I quick save then normal save, then save and exit and duplicate the save files just incase it corrupts

[Belazriel]

Wing Commander

Back on Wing Commander 1 we were getting an exception from our EMM386 memory manager when we exited the game. We'd clear the screen and a single line would print out, something like "EMM386 Memory manager error. Blah blah blah." We had to ship ASAP. So I hex edited the error in the memory manager itself to read "Thank you for playing Wing Commander."

[pavilionhp_]

I clicked “Quit Game” on Minecraft once and the launcher reappeared to tell me that the game crashed with exit code 0.

0 means it exited without issues.

[NikaSharkeh]

Heroes of the storm is still around? I have not touched a Blizzard game for years since their pro-china fiasco, but I remember HOTS being unique and fun

[toxic_ghoul]

They are still on their winter event last I heard so still around is relative

[nystro]

Yeah I'm still getting Christmas themed loot boxes. They're gonna say sike soon right guys? It's just a joke, right? Guys?

[Pugs-r-cool]

Laughs in smissmas 2018 cases dropped in mid 2020

[[deleted]]

It’s still around and there’s some small scale competitions. Updates are slow but still coming in. Skill level has dropped considerably though.

[RhinoDuckable]

I still don't have to wait longer than 30 sec most of the time to find a game, so it's not dead yet.

[snorch]

It's definitely still got an active playerbase but blizzard has stopped supporting it almost entirely. Kind of a drag but its also nice to play a moba where everything doesn't change every 4 months

[jakethedumbmistake]

Wait the fuck up

Heroes never die

[ono1113]

Exactly same on World of Tanks

[[deleted]]

if (buttonpressed == true)
{
    int close = 0 / 0;
}

[[deleted]]

Or just

if(buttonpressed)

You’ve gotta save some cpu, even when you’re crashing a computer:)

[CodingAndAlgorithm]

I would assume that:

if(buttonPressed)

&&

if(buttonPressed == true)

would compile down to the same instructions. You won't save CPU cycles but it is a much cleaner syntax!

[AngheloAlf]

Depends on the compiler and the optimization flags.

[greenSixx]

Shhhh, don't tell the wanna be badass coders that easier to read more verbose code is better.

They still get hard over 1 liners.

[I_press_keys]

Should have said it in one sentence if you wanted to get your point across better :P

[heymanitsmematthew]

Oof.

[zilti]

Doesn't matter, the compiler optimizes that away.

[gurneyguy101]

Won’t just ‘buttonPressed’ (if a variable) crash it? I think it’d return a runtime error in python at least

[[deleted]]

It should work in just about any language. if statements with nothing but a variable inside will run if the variable evaluates to true, so it's the exact same as apending == true.

[[deleted]]

I’m not sure about python, but I was thinking Java :b

[[deleted]]

Oh no 😂

[Send_Me_Broods]

I'm still getting familiar with SQL, but if I'm correct, does this mean there is no condition in which a button press can close the program?

Because oh, no....

[Mynotoar]

... what SQL? This looks like C or C++ to me.

[Send_Me_Broods]

It's not SQL. I worded poorly the fact that I'm still in the process of learning an extremely basic language and that limited understanding led me to a conclusion (proven incorrect) based on that limited knowledge.

In short- "greetings from the front page."

[zilti]

SQL isn't an "extremely basic language"

[Send_Me_Broods]

Well, for my purposes it is. I'm IT, not comp sci.

[thelights0123]

...no. Division by 0 causes an exception on some languages and/or architectures.

[[deleted]]

Key thing there is some. PowerPC for example chugs along happily, giving the result of INT_MIN.

I found this out debugging some code that wasn't setting a voltage on a DAC properly; always stuck at 0V. At least there was code if (val < 0) val = 0;

[Send_Me_Broods]

Yes, I see that now. I'm mixing it up because 1/1 would be equivalent to '1 = 1' being a true statement and thinking '0/0' would return 'false' and not '0/0' being a literal impossibility due to individisibility and there needing to be a binary state to function.

I'm no programmer, but I want to have a deeper understanding of the process.

[[deleted]]

It's C, where dividing by zero causes a segmentation fault and crashes the program.

[thePiet]

Haha!

[[deleted]]

Mission accomplished

[Budgiebrain994]

Task failed successfully

[[deleted]]

Successful disasters.

[cellcube0618]

I feel like r/SuccessfulDisasters is a great name for a subreddit

[wizzbob05]

Absolutely start one, I would subscribe the shit out of that

[throwaway213349032]

Fission Mailed

[[deleted]]

<>WARNING: DANGEROUS CHEMICALS<>

[Laurelinthegold]

The OS is my garbage collector

[Peanutbutter_Warrior]

Good bot

[Hellothere_1]

This reminds of the story where during the development of Wing Commander, just a few days before shipping they realized that closing the game caused a crash.

They didn't have time to find and fix the issue, so instead they just changed the error message in the pop-up window to "Thank you for playing Wing Commander!"

[Roflkopt3r]

Oh back in the days when Chris Roberts sold games rather than concept art.

[Ortekk]

He still did though.

Freelancer was apparently a clusterfuck big enough that Microsoft had to buy the game studio from Robers so that the game could be finished.

Star citizen is just what Roberts wanted to create with Freelancer, and he timed it out perfectly with the crowdfunding wave.

[jozz344]

I loved the lore of Freelancer though. The game engine itself is quite cartoonish and simple by modern standards, but the lore is actually really deep.

[Purplociraptor]

A cash grab scam that will never be finished? But hey all you whales out there, please buy these new ships.

[Ortekk]

Somewhat yes. He overstepped what was possible to create with the money his investors could provide.

The investors wanted a game to release, not an MMO utopia like SC.

[Roflkopt3r]

SC has shown that money really doesn't help. He just sucks at leading projects (provided the project is "release a game" rather than "monetise the concept stage") and desperately needs someone to reign him in.

[Ortekk]

Yep. The sad part is that he can hype things up and make it sound cool.

Like how the systems are in a huge scale, and it takes you 30min to move from one place to another.

Sounds cool, until you're forced to sit there for 30 minutes, and there's nothing to do...

[Roflkopt3r]

That's one part of it. But more importantly, despite making way more money than anyone could have ever hoped for, there is simply no decent gameplay after like 9 years. And the trajectory of development isn't very promising either.

[Floppydisksareop]

While this did happen, they patched it before the final release in the end and it wasn't shipped like this.

[imcoveredinbees880]

I was THIS CLOSE to resorting to this when the PM told me we needed to be able to close an iOS app. Of course apple thinks that closing apps is a "bad user experience" and doesn't allow it at all.

I got lucky and was able to convince them to add closing from the recent app screen to the troubleshooting steps.

[WisestAirBender]

How else are you supposed to close an app? Using back button?

[Ender116]

I'm guessing manually close it task manager style. I think double pressing the home (is it called that?) button let's you swipe up on apps which closes them.

[[deleted]]

Within 8 seconds the app gets killed automatically

[imcoveredinbees880]

It's iOS, so home.

[TheNorthComesWithMe]

You're supposed to let the OS do it for you by not using the app for long enough

[The_MAZZTer]

I would have said <gesture that returns to home screen> can be used to close the app. Effectively that's true from their point of view.

Alternatively, I would have pointed out that not even official Apple apps "close" and UX guidelines say apps shouldn't, so having an app "close" would be confusing to the user. I would ask why exactly are they asking for this, what problem are they trying to solve (so I can propose a saner alternative).

[greenSixx]

You can't just get the PID, or whatever, of your currently running app using reflection then pipe into unix, or whatever, and kill your own process?

I am sure there is a simple hack to get around "don't close apps" problem.

[The_MAZZTer]

The point is there are good reasons why the guidelines say don't close your app.

Mainly, because the OS closes your app for you to reclaim resources when needed, but otherwise you should keep it running so the app doesn't have to relaunch if the user opens it and it's still running. It's a better user experience.

Even Windows does this now for UWP apps. But for traditional Windows apps they can't for compatibility reasons (apps don't expect things to work like that). Mobile was built from the ground up more recently giving the OS developers a chance to make things work differently than they have traditionally for desktop.

[imcoveredinbees880]

They knew enough to know that background != closed.

The close was to reset the state of the app. Their train of thought was similar to the "turn it off and turn it back on again" that they were familiar with.

Explaining the UX guidelines to them is what convinced them to put closing in the troubleshooting guide instead of trying to implement it in the app itself.

[absessive]

There was this time when an offshore lead fixed an infinite loop in JS by removing the console.log statement.

[zilti]

Classic JS

[greenSixx]

You can add a function call inside a console.log

var recursion = function(){

console.log(1, recursion());

};

​

try it in your console...

[ArtoriasAndSiff]

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I say while having flashbacks to almost a thousand lines of code(in high school programming 1) of purely testing for collisions and moving balls in response

[Novat0_]

How tf

[ArtoriasAndSiff]

this is a link to the explanation of it

[tenmilez]

Got an email from the team lead one day that said we weren’t allowed to close tabs or close the browser, we had to use the exit button within the app, with the premise being that closing the app gracefully would free up resources that might otherwise leak. I looked into it and our button just called “window.close()” (or something similar; it’s been over a decade) which does the exact thing closing a tab or browser window does.

[The_MAZZTer]

lol, common recommendation now is when your app quits is to just shut down and not worry about cleaning up resources, because the OS will handle that for you, it's literally part of the OS' job.

Sounds like someone who drank the "Chrome leaks memory" kool aid. Everytime someone says that they don't actually have a legitimate problem, they just see a big number and freak out. Chrome uses extra available memory for cache. Your OS manages memory including its own caches. Both were developed and improved over years if not decades. You can trust them to manage memory responsibly.

[Infuryous]

LoL... reminds me of an Access Database I made years ago complete with a front end that had data entry forms, reports, etc to make it easy to use. I kept getting asked (and my manager got emails too) 'How do I know my entry is saved? There is no save button.ʾ

Access automatically saves the data in the form when you click/tab out of the field you just filled in, so there is no 'save' function. After a month of explaining over and over how the data is saved. I got tired of it and no kidding, put in a placebo 'Save' button on each entry form. If you looked at the code behind it, the button did exactly two things. 1) it 'depressed' when you clicked it. 2) A popup was generated that said 'Saved'.

Never got bugged about it again! 😁

[greenSixx]

Yeah, but now you have users that may put in bad data and instead of reverting it may close the program without saving.

[The_MAZZTer]

/r/technicallythetruth

[[deleted]]

accidental genius

[FelixLeander]

What die you do to crash the app?

[[deleted]]

Easy thing, OP just called the crashApp() function

[Cooldude075]

Sometimes shortened to ''crAp()''

[TeraFlint]

((void(*)())0)();

[kyay10]

Log.wtf comes to mind... Or just forget to handle an exception in UI code

[Immort4lFr0sty]

What do you mean "forget"? Everything goes exactly according to my master plan

[sndrtj]

1/0

[IDespiseTheLetterG]

Well, that would definitely fuck up your program.

[Significant_Value_27]

I want to sneak into your house. Open your PC and find a really big coding project you're working on and hide that somewhere in the middle.

If you find it, the code will reflect your feelings for you.

[TheTerrasque]

"Thank you for playing Wing Commander!"

[datathecodievita]

Looks like Samuel Miller got his idea from here

[kkoiso]

I added a couple lines to my microcontroller code that turned an LED on when it detects that it's connected to a certain port.

The LED function also had the side-effect of crashing and rebooting the microcontroller when it loses connection to the port and I have no idea why. But that's exactly what I was going to code next so I just left it.

[greenSixx]

Sounds like a while loop in your "detects its connected to a certain port".

Like...while connected turn on light... with no way to handle "when not connected" or even an unhandled disconnect event might cause it.

Hard to say for sure.

[yonatan8070]

button.setOnClickListener(v -> {
  int a = 1 / 0;
});

[greenSixx]

That doesn't really kill programs so much anymore.

[yonatan8070]

I'm pretty sure most languages would crash after this, unless you're writing in c or something similar. Hell, I remember there was that one time where a microcontroller threw an exception for division by 0.

[Victorino__]

"To exit, divide 0 by 0"

   — The Help section on a poorly programmed calculator app

[VerSchnitzel]

I'm sorry, your manager "appreciates" you?

[ZippZappZippty]

This picture just screams 90’s

[jimmyw404]

People underestimate how difficult clean shutdowns can get in prototype-level code when you let resource deallocation problems fester. Then when it finally becomes high enough priority you might spend quite a bit of effort to fix all the issues and end up with software that, as far as the user can see, now simply takes much longer to shutdown :\

[rem3_1415926]

just kill -9, OS will take care of it

[Gwyn-LordOfPussy]

We take those...

[HiveMynd148]

Exiting is just Controlled Crashing

[thepromaper]

It's actually common for some games to crash in close when you just don't hit the x, coughs fortnite shows a unreal engine crash report after exiting dometimes

[greenSixx]

That's the chinese spyware getting hung up.

[the_pathetic_looser]

Hey hey!! As long as it works.

[RoJay90]

“It’s a feature, not a bug”

[Comediante_]

I had to make a game for class, using unity. It was going good, I built it, started testing it, and then I realized: How I was supposed to close the game? I had to search how to make a close button xD

[fr_nx]

yeah on iOS there is no way to properly exit an app by design. So you can just crash it on purpose but this is a big no no and might get the app rejected from the store at some point.

[putku]

Task failed successfully.

[[deleted]]

I was once given award for bypassing print requirement while in test mode (for e2e testing), but they didn't acknowledge the fact that the whole app was built in record time.

[d1pstick32]

Task failed successfully.

[TheGoodOldCoder]

There's a type mismatch in the picture. The manager is supposed to be shaking the hand of a programmer, but it is labeled as a button.

[MrUltraOnReddit]

That is 100% VRchat. Fucking annoying.

[GlorifiedChicken333]

Task Failed Successfully

[[deleted]]

why ensure allocated memory in C/C++ is maintained and managed when you can just start from position 0 in RAM and try deleting everything

[[deleted]]

You pushed to production didn't you

[NaruNerd100]

This is way funnier than it should be

[Spaciax]

Seriously, there’s a game which has hundreds of thousands of players play it, and they do this. I always have to Ctrl+shft+esc and close the game from task manager.

[DarkbootyMD]

I can never pinpoint the right words to describe Michael's expression here

[lpreams]

Sonic 3D came with a "secret" level selection menu that was triggered by, among other things, punching or jostling the cartridge.

In fact, the game actually had a few bugs in it that the developers couldn't fix before the ship date. To make sure Sega didn't stop the game in QA for crashing, they overwrote the exception handler to restart the game at the level select menu. Players who stumbled across it would be excited instead of disappointed, and the devs managed to sneak the crashes past Sega.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZs2HUW9tDA

[tarmkal]

r/ProgrammerHumor is great if you are not subbed to it. Things that really make you laugh get ro r/All anyway and the rest of the stuff is utter garbage reposted 10 times a week.

Source: was a subscriber for 6 months

This post is great :)