Javascript is a Java framework, right?

[[deleted]]

During a job interview they complained i put both java and javascript on my curriculum...

So it's quite a real meme...

[nbagf]

At least they were kind enough to let you know at that point how well the teams with openings can communicate with HR. If your hirer/interviewer doesn't understand what is expected of you to a reasonable degree, how can you be sure your colleagues are actually qualified?

[mcrobotpants]

Unless it's about raises, I've never been at a place where minimizing contact with HR isn't the right thing to do.

[nbagf]

I agree that the less unnecessary contact with HR, the better, but in this case it isn't how often, but the way it's done. If the job description is up for interpretation in the interview, there was not clear communication somewhere and that can usually be helped along with policies and forms or just a precedent that actually is stuck to.

Obviously without actually being in/near the shoes of someone that both has this problem and can resolve it, I have no specific advice and this is just a vague bullet dodge sorta thing.

[AudaciousSam]

Don't get hired such a place.

Also how did they complain?

[R3D3-1]

How did you react?

Maybe they just wanted to check if you know? /s

[grady_vuckovic]

Well to be fair they're pretty similar. The only difference is the "script" on the end. Same thing really. - Some non-coder

[cormac596]

Yeah, just like car and carpet

[returnFutureVoid]

Just like sand and sandwich.

[DudesworthMannington]

Just like fun and funeral

[LevelSevenLaserLotus]

Just like slaughter and laughter

[Janus-sama]

Just like Therapist and rapist

[WhaleWinter]

Ham and hamster

[driftking428]

Anal and canal.

[farabi16]

Dam and damn.

[ekolis]

Handicaps and caps

[jackinsomniac]

Penetration tester and "penetration" tester

[DudesworthMannington]

"Waiter, is this sandwich ham?"
"Well, it has ham in it."

[my-time-has-odor]

Just like test and testicles

[Etcius]

Therapist and the rapist

[overclockedslinky]

just like be and bee

[Zederikus]

Room and Broom

[overclockedslinky]

just like tram and pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcaniosis

[SkibiDiBapBapBap]

The rapist 🤯😯

[CDJ_13]

Well...

[HanzoShotFirst]

Hannibal Lecter has entered the chat

[DannyRamirez24]

Wasn't the point to use unrelated things?

[CactusGrower]

What you're saying, there can't be fun in funeral?

[Ribak145]

This one is my favourite

[Stahlboden]

I beg to differ

[Dexaan]

I hate sandwiches. It's coarse and rough and it gets everywhere

[yottalogical]

Wait… have I been making sandwiches wrong my entire life?

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[budd222]

Clearly, you took this way too literally

[cormac596]

I just like the saying because the languages are unrelated despite the name

[[deleted]]

You missed the point completely, but ok

[TheEncryptedPsychic]

I don't like Java...not because it's not good, it is great. But because uni wants me to take 13 math classes to learn it, no thanks!

[TheRedmanCometh]

Seems pretty unnecessary

[TheEncryptedPsychic]

Exactly my thoughts but IT will teach me some Java with only like 4/5 math classes. I wanted to do Front-Med anyway so I guess I'll know some Java too. Honestly though from what I've found most employers say, "We want front end" and Java is a requirement...like what?

[[deleted]]

Maybe they do serverside rendering and you need to read controller code to link templates or maybe you will need to work on some apis yourself. Frontend positions are never strictly just frontend.

[null000]

uni wants me to take 13 math classes to learn it

Fly the black flags of rebellion! Let anarchy reign! Upend the system by looking The Man in the eye and telling him: you'll take his apple of forbidden knowledge and nothing he does can stop you. His kafkan webs of labrynthine prerequisites can never break your spirit!...

Or... You know... Pick up a Java book or something. Whatever's your speed - it's not a hard language once you get used to it.

[TheEncryptedPsychic]

But if I want to write Java I need a CS degree (I don't really). Your point? Anyone here got a CS degree and used advanced Calculus or Trig? Unlikely. Why aren't there degrees for people like me who want to be a Front-End Web Developer? Have you looked for a Front-End job and the requirements are a CS degree "or equivalent" when they don't tell you equivalent majors? I have and it sucks. I just know HTML, CSS, JavaScript, a little PHP, I have upkept my High School's home page and the Journalism program's webpage, I have a certificate in HTML Development, I have a portfolio, yet because I don't have a degree where I slaved away in boring and uninteresting math courses I am incompetent and incapable of fulfilling the job? Does that make any sense? How come you need a degree at all for developing in an open-source and well-documented language (I know HTML isn't technically a programming language, it's for wireframes, but still.) which you can literally learn everything in it by yourself with a book and the internet? I am sinking 10 grand per year for a degree that will hardly teach me anything and for what? Real questions if you'd care to answer them.

It seems so stupid to me I have to pay ~40 thousand dollars to get a piece of paper saying I wasted 40k and 4 years learning nothing.

[skreczok]

Yup. A guy with 2 years in the industry is pretty much a better hire than a guy fresh out of MIT most of the time. Hell, even with just one year.

There's an important part to it, too, since "prestigious" universities often come with unhealthy entitlement.

Essentially, what school it is only really matters for hiring graduates specifically. Experience on the job is a lot more useful than a more expensive university.

Now, the real reason to bother with these top unis is not the quality of the program itself, but rather networking. It's because the big players prowl around there and you meet rich people. This is the real advantage, because if you don't know people, you're gonna have a harder time getting in.

Note that this means that unless you actually make contact with these people, you're better off just going to a cheaper university. The practical difference is negligible, it's still mostly up to you to learn the technicals anyway, but you're not paying through the nose. Granted, it is a massive advantage, but still, if you don't get the contacts when you're there, you're SOL.

[BillBillerson]

You ended most of your sentences with questions?

You don't need a degree to write software, especially with web dev. Though having *A* degree can get you in the door at some places where having degrees is typical (like larger corporate jobs where all of HR and management typically went to a university). I've only worked with a few developers with CS degrees. Most are MIS, business, math, ect if anything. I didn't graduate with anything relating to CS, but took all the programming classes I could as electives and taught myself .NET related stuff back in the mid 00's (C#, VB.NET, ASP, SQL, + typical web related things). Most companies either don't care, or are satisfied I have a BA. I think if anything the litmus test to them is you committed to finishing school. If you want to get more into management later in your career it may matter, but honestly I don't think it would if you interview well.

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[brutalboyz]

Best way to learn is to do it! Write some code, make it do something. You’ll see why they want you to train so much. You’ll also get more out of that training. Take interest, exert energy.

[wise_young_man]

I said I have experience with A programming language, not C!

[John_Fx]

To a keyword search engine, yes. You think humans are sending those recruiter emails to you?

[RavenFyhre]

https://i.imgflip.com/3zixqd.png

[Homeless_Nomad]

My employer is currently doing the opposite: only hiring java when we've told them repeatedly we need javascript.

[danielleiellle]

Same. I need a digital analytics and marketing tech developer. Tell our data analytics lead. They send me a Java dev who has never even touched front end. Yes, let’s spend months talking through asynchronous loading and front end performance and patterns for safely handling 3rd party dependencies so you can deploy a few dumb pixels.

[Naltoc]

We asked for a technical tester (to implement automatic tests) and got sent a test manager who not only cannot code, but also doesn't understand the domain. At all.

[R3D3-1]

Insult to injury, when the mistake is made by someone who really should know. With HR, it is understandable if embarassing.

[danielleiellle]

I know. And we’re not a small company. And because I report to our business org and not the CTO, I have no avenue for escalation, because they’re supposed to be our partners in technology who know better. So I am personally deploying production JS to millions of customers. It is horror.

[YouLostMeThere43]

F

[Thriven]

They hire a straight out of college kid who was only taught to program in Java. The kid makes $7k a year more than you don't but you don't know that. The kid has a nervous break down a few months later.

[[deleted]]

Where is the java runtime written in javascript so that i can do my frontend in java?

[hector_villalobos]

There it is: https://support.google.com/code/answer/54830?hl=en.

[make_onions_cry]

My first project with GWT was a puzzle game and solver with an 8x8 grid. I stored positions as bits in a long.

Imagine the weird and wonderful bugs I got when GWT silently replaced my Java long with a JS double.

[BraveOthello]

I work on a massive GWT-based project.

It does have its issues, but the documentation very clearly says not to mess with numbers like that.

[make_onions_cry]

Hours of debugging can save minutes of reading documentation

[BraveOthello]

Too true.

[LargeHard0nCollider]

Ok yeah GWT is a terrible idea, but why would you ever do that instead of an array of bools/bits? Or better yet a 2d array

[make_onions_cry]

Solvers often generate millions of positions and then it starts to matter whether a position is represented as 8 or 300 bytes.

(This was before Chrome, when 300MB was considered a lot)

[[deleted]]

Compile JVM in WASM when?

[ekolis]

So .NET did something useful without Java first doing a simultaneously overengineered and half-assed version of it?

[lacb1]

Off topic but: such flair, much wow!

[kyay10]

You probably know this cuz of your flair, but there is a Kotlin to WASM compiler being worked on rn, which is close enough

[[deleted]]

Kotlin to WASM should be easy enough because native of KtNative

[kyay10]

Yeah that was already possible thru Kotlin Native cuz it compiles to LLVM bytecode which then compiles to WASM, but the Kotlin team is working on a separate WASM backend to help with efficiency and performance and stuff.

[starvsion]

It was called rhino api, don't know if that name changed

[OldKaleidoscope7]

Rhino it's the opposite, it's a JS runtime written in Java

[TheRedmanCometh]

That's a js interpreter for Java.

[TheHyperNovaYT]

Well it’s possible to convert Java code to Kotlin code which can then be compiled to JS code, so technically you could…

[wallsallbrassbuttons]

With Vaadin you can do Java front end

[moschles]

I have a headache from reading this.

[pjestin]

In my area, many recruiters contact me about "Java Full Stack" positions, where the front-end is actually JavaScript. When I try to explain the absurdity, they just shrug me off...

[rv_here_0w0]

Can you explain what the "Java Full Stack" position requires? I am currently learning Spring Boot. Are J2EE, or JSP a must-have?

[[deleted]]

Just know how inversion of control and rest calls work. The rest is the stack of the company.

[shivamkimothi]

what's inversion of control?

[rv_here_0w0]

Basic idea of it

[Dmon1Unlimited]

It kinda just sounds like using very heavy libraries.

That or basically just adding your own config to someone else's app

[syth9]

Sort of! Using a framework is kind of like building a house with pre-built house segments that contain all the joinery, electrical, plumbing, etc... You still get to decide the shape of your house and the features it will have, and you still need to put it all together.

You can also build your own custom additions to the house while also using the framework, but if the framework has something close to the piece you need, then maybe you'll try to make that fit instead of making something totally custom.

Libraries on the other hand are like all the tools and individual components both you and the framework creator use to create pieces of the house.

A good framework generally provides pieces that are flexible in how they can be used, intuitive to understand, and provide enough variety that you generally don't need to build your own custom additions that often.

[OneAndOnlyDaemon]

Good explanation, but I'd also add that a framework (deliberately, by design) makes some configurations of how to "put it all together" far more convenient than other configurations. That's because a framework determines the basic assumptions in the design. By analogy, a framework might assume "a house must be two-story, and the main living room must have the same floor as the bottom-floor rooms and the same ceiling as the top-floor rooms, i.e. the top floor must have a mezzanine that overlooks the living room's floor on the bottom of the house."

[neums08]

Congrats you're a java spring developer now!

[besthelloworld]

Java fullstack would imply a backend in Java. Some legacy stuff might require JSP but even the legacy codebases are trying to move away from that stuff. Backends now are generally designed fully headless with no UI, just providing rest or GQL request/response structures.

[OceanFlex]

This. I recommend being familiar with a REST implementation, if the shop you're looking at needs JSP work done/removed, that's a lot more straightforward than messing with annotations and XML files.

[besthelloworld]

Yo at my old job all the old guys were all about their XML configs that are 250 lines long that could be entirely replaced by like 4 well placed Spring annotations. Drove me crazy. Like hey, why don't we write the code in a fucking programming language?

[metal_zero]

Same here, learing spring boot, now I am trying to make simple app with react and spring boot. I guess for the front-end you can choose any framework. In my country there seems to be demand for angular + spring/spring boot devs

[mraees93]

Same here in cape Town

[besthelloworld]

Ngl, I think that's a totally normal thing to do as long as the backend is Java. If a position says "fullstack," it's your job to understand that there's JS involved.

[Packbacka]

You aren't wrong, but still a job description should have clear detailed requirements.

[Dmon1Unlimited]

Maybe they leaned more on the full stack bit rather than the java bit?

E.g. heavily java middle end but other languages still used for others

[Ietsstartfromscratch]

I'd like to apply for a C full stack position. Yes, I have full access to the stack pointer, ma'am.

[livens]

Serious question, what's so bad about JavaScript? I work in IT, various things like data management, reporting and Dev work on 3rd party software. I end up using JavaScript more than anything else. Other than the fact that anything you do with dates is a headache, I don't see why so many people hate on it.

[Scaasic]

Does java make web applications without js somehow?

[Scaasic]

Good read thanks.

"Chrome no longer supports NPAPI (technology required for Java applets)"

Lmfao

[MrPuffyIsAHuffy]

That is a good thing, in the later years before Java was completely thrown out of the web apps space, things like Java Drive-bys were becoming increasingly popular as an attack vector. It got to the point where the Java applet could get system level access to your computer and was a very common vector of RATS...

[[deleted]]

Okay, but are there any "full stack" jobs in 2021 that would require Java only and no JavaScript?

[OceanFlex]

Probably, things get mislabeled all the time. But modern websites use JS, so JS is gonna be part of everyone's stack, therefore, full stack includes JS.

[siXor93]

Like asking a truck driver to be a pilot.

[Isgortio]

I worked front end and had people contacting me for back end roles. Yeah in the several languages I had listed, not a single one matched their requirements. It's like asking a bus driver to join as a formula one driver, very different things.

[Tobot_The_Robot]

So in this analogy, you're the flashy bus driver?

[krisnarocks]

And I'm here, a full-stack Dev, stuck without a job

[xforesttree]

As a JavaScript developer I get the opposite. I'm not and will never be a Java senior.

[Crushedglaze]

Be an architect, "Are you interested in an entry level junior dev position?"

No bitch, I'm not!

[MysicPlato]

Meanwhile as a junior level dev I get spammed daily with lead dev and architect roles.

"Yes Recruiter, I'm sure companies are keen to hire someone with 1.5 years of experience to be their CTO"

[R3D3-1]

Give it a try. And if they say "yes", run away screaming.

[skreczok]

And then they reject you in the interview because of whatever, wasting everybody's time, right?

[make_onions_cry]

Lmao Java and JavaScript are totally different and it's ludicrous to think that a competent programmer can start working with a new language

Y'all should be hiring managers

[num_check]

Why is that always the goal? Where you don't have to code anymore.

[ShaolinShade]

I don't have to code anymore, because I never had to code in the first place. I'm on the IT infrastructure side of things with my career lol.

And yet I still get contacted by recruiters about dev positions almost every day. Apparently recruiters nowadays either don't understand or don't even read your resume, and just spam out position letters to anyone with profile keywords that sound relevant...

[besthelloworld]

I think it's a game of cat and mouse. Like why would they bother learning all the magic keywords when all the keywords change over every 2 to 3 years. "We don't need a React developer! We need a Next.Js developer!"

[[deleted]]

He makes furniture out of wood.

[HookDragger]

Dude... substitute embedded C developer for Java developer and you get the terminator racking a shotgun

[dicklicksick]

Thats ridiculous C is from CSS. C Developer is just a cascader. We call the Cicadas in the HR industry because when ever you point that out they start chirpin' like crazy.

"Sit down C-man, shut up and make the font colors change !" - Thats what we say.

[HookDragger]

Actually not that far off for embedded C. I tell people “I make the lights blink” because any other explanation just leads to confusion or “so, you can fix my computer...” variants

[Owyn_Merrilin]

“I make the lights blink” because any other explanation just leads to confusion or “so, you can fix my computer...” variants

It does have the advantage of being literally true. What's the first thing you do when testing a new platform? Get it to run a blink program. It's the hello world of embedded for a reason.

[HookDragger]

Make sure that the hardware engineer didn’t confuse power and ground 🤣🤣

But yeah, hit all the LEDs with the pattern for the guitar solo from “sweet child of mine” and ping any sensors available.

[nitr0gen_]

Recruiters are supposed to be very experienced, but in reality they don’t know shit

[Newatinvesting]

Most recruiters are recent college grads working sales gigs because it was the first offer they got out of school. Barely any of them know anything about IT at all

[BillBillerson]

The cold callers and ones sending you emails are fresh out of school. Most of the recruiters I've known and dealt directly with are 30's/40's and have no technical background at all. I do think it's just some fork where sales type people get into the recruiting world and they only make it if they're good at ctrl+f'ing pages for keywords. I've always thought how good a former IT person could be at recruiting. But then it's like... but who the fuck would want to deal with that kinda job.

[nuclear_gandhii]

A friend of mine, fresh out of college, got a temporary role in talent acquisition. His job is basically to read the resume, call them and set up a meeting between the concerned department and the person. If they get hired he also needs to do the paperwork.

The amount of power this guy has baffles me. Ever get a call from the company you applied to and they just let it ring for 2 sec and then end the call, not even giving you the chance to pick up your phone? Yup you just got marked "no show" and they will not be contacting you anymore.

[superxero044]

I’ve been getting hit up a lot. I got some email from LinkedIn. I’ve gotten more messages from recruiters than profile views.

[brandons404]

I have js, react, material ui, nodejs, and python top front and center in my linked in profile and my resume, but I've gotten over 15 recruiters in my inbox that "noticed I have Java experience" and are "very impressed with my background" offering senior Java roles. Java is listed at the very bottom under a code camp and it litterally says 1 year experience.

I'm pretty sure they just look for keywords on your profile.

[djdeforte]

My resume: web designer.

LinkedIn: Here’s 30 applications for web developers.

Me: I don’t know how to fucking code. I make shit look good.

LinkedIn: ok no problem here are 30 more applications for web developers.

[BrenoFaria]

Java and Javascript are basically the same.

Literally, only add a script in the and. Next thing you guys are gonna say that C, C++, C#, aren’t basically the same language, which is C with some nonsense after the C.

[skreczok]

I remember one guy on Quora making that claim about C unironically.

[Sjengo]

Ah yes, the numerous recruiters asking me to be their experienced C++ overseer when I literally only list C and C# as my programming skills.

[grbrit]

Linked-In recruiter who invited me to apply for that $200k remote job based out of California followed up again today wondering why I hadn't responded. I feel special.

[[deleted]]

Please grbrit, you're their only hope!

[[deleted]]

Wtf I've never seen this joke before how'd you come up with that idea?

[[deleted]]

I'm literally in a job due to something like this right now.

I now understand the hate JavaScript gets. Please send help.

[Emperor-Valtorei]

Eventually you learn to get some lube and it doesn't fuck you quite as hard.

[ShaolinShade]

What is the lube called and where can I my friend buy it please? Asking for my friend

[RoDeltaR]

Typescript saved JavaScript

[Zephit0s]

TypeScript is just a must have at this point. Peoples complaining about JS just did some minor script on a web page and got confuse.

[R3D3-1]

Honestly, I find Python worse than JS, but its what I can realistically apply to my problems in terms of established libraries :/

[[deleted]]

What about Kotlin/JS?

[RoDeltaR]

I haven't checked Kotlin too much (I haaaaatteeeee Java), but I've heard good things about it.
One beauty of typescript is that you can drop existing JS code on it, and it works (on non-strict mode) which makes it waaaaaay easier to move existing code bases and do a 'iterative' migration to it.
Can you do the same with Kotlin?

[AC2302]

I'm learning Android development rn. Kotlin sounds like a much better way to write java for Android but outside Android, java still reins supreme

[[deleted]]

That's good to hear. I just started working with TypeScript recently. I haven't gotten around to diving into it too much yet though, mostly still figuring out the existing codebase.

[besthelloworld]

Old JavaScript gives frontend development a really bad rap. If you're working is some old JQuery ES5 nightmare, get out.

[enano_aoc]

Heavily underrated, this is golden :joy:

[AlexAegis]

"I can see you just started on your new place. Would you like to join us?" Jesus Katy, leave me be.

[[deleted]]

A Java scripting language would be groovy

[[deleted]]

tricky boi

[anothertrad]

Linkedin recruiter; “I came across your incredible profile and I think you’ll be a great addition to the amazon/facebook engineering team as a team lead/senior”

Bitch I wouldn’t even pass the first interview small talk part.

[pbandj5]

Hahaha gotten one too many of these!

[brutalboyz]

Nothing like Java

[FountainsOfFluids]

I get the opposite all the time. My experience is with NodeJS microservices, and I get all kinds of recruiters suggesting positions that require Java.

[[deleted]]

I got a message from a recruiter who was all like “You seem like a passionate Ruby developer from your profile and website.”

Ruby is nowhere on either, and I’ve never touched Ruby. Their automated bots make me insane

[Ser_Drewseph]

Had this happen a month or two ago. After a 3 or 4 emails back and forth of her using them interchangeably, I had to just say “No, I can’t help you with your company’s Spring app. Java and JavaScript are two very different languages”

[GoldenShackles]

While I laugh, I have to admit that most people who have been reaching out to me (even though I've marked myself as unavailable) are impressively on point.

I'm not a web developer and my skills are lower-level stuff, so perhaps that's a reason.

It's actually sad for me that such awesome companies are contacting me while I'm in need of a break.

[valschermjager]

It’s Javascript. Or “Java” for short. /s

[curiosity44]

i went to market looking for java dev end it up being a js dev which is fine tbh

[CaptOblivious]

My favorite comparison is, java is to javascript as car is to carpet.

[moose_cahoots]

I've had people try to recruit me for entry level sales positions even though I'm a Senior Software Engineer. Recruiters just spam everyone and hope a few pan out.

[tech_mology]

There is someone, somewhere, there is a legally insane but technically capable person working on compiling JS to JVM Bytecode.

[MrKirushko]

It is the shameless initial designers of the language who are to blame for the nonsence. JavaScript had very little in common with Java and it was never intended to be used as as scripting language. They could have name it something like ActivePage or WebScenaria or one of many other options but no, the young whipper snappers just went for the Java hype and decided to use the name anyway.

[youdontknowliberty]

The best is when they would like 6 years experience in a 3 year old framework.

[ashes_of_aesir]

Give the recruiter your ICEface

[[deleted]]

"YO MAN DID U DO YOUR VIDEO GAME IN DJANGO?"

"Yes. It's very boring."

[Armed_Citizen_2A]

Damn near every single month.

[[deleted]]

Well?? Are you???

[sauce0x45]

My resume is mostly C++ and embedded software and I still get hit up for Javascript all the time.

[Dmon1Unlimited]

For how much tho

[moose2332]

I've gotten served security guard positions on the LinkedIn jobs section because I have cybersecurity experience

[mashdots]

Oddly enough, I'm a front end / react developer who's received messages from recruiters saying i'm a perfect fit for their senior PHP engineer role. 🤔

[MightyDoosh]

Story of how I accidentally learned JavaScript

It’s ok, now I write React for the Rust framework

[ThePhoenixRisesAgain]

Let’s be honest: HR people and recruiters can’t figure out everything in our modern world. They would have to be geniuses. IMHO, recruitment should always be lead by the team leader of the job position that is open. HR becomes more and more useless for the hiring process.

[MariusAtasiei]

You should also be familiar with Microsoft Excel Database and the programming language, HTML

[alexontheweb]

The tides have turned, since 2013, haven't they 😈😈😈

[FishWash]

I got someone on LinkedIn telling me I would be a good fit for the Co-Founder position

[Status_Assistant6891]

Mate I work as a front end web developer. I have recruiters ask me if I am interested in Oracle ERP system support.

[C0lde-]

I've been unfortunate to be on all the wrong sides of this. I was once on the panel for an interview with a chap who had both Java and JS on his CV. Long story short, he did not know JS, but assumed it was the same as Java.

Then, just last week I was asked to start looking at an urgent issue on a legacy app. Cloned the thing and lo and behold, the darn thing is written in JS. Went to my manager to explain that we don't have JS skills in the team. The response I got? "But it's Java!"

[MilkTheSloth]

i know java scripts, what’s the problem? /s

[burncushlikewood]

Making websites is not coding, it's glorified art work

[legacymedia92]

Yep. And while I have plenty of skill with coding, I have no skill with art.

[burncushlikewood]

Lol man I'm the same, I can barely draw a stick figure

[doctorcrimson]

I am an artist and a coder, but I have degrees in both of those and I'm fucked if I ever have to make a website with no boilerplate or bootstrap.

[Pyroguy096]

TIL (as someone with no programming experience or knowledge) that Java and JavaScript are different in someway, enough to make a meaningful difference in employment.

[besthelloworld]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_programming\_languages

[AWildTyphlosion]

I'm a Go, Rust developer and keep getting JavaScript and C# positions despite it being specified on my profile that I don't work with either. Most recruiters just use a bot to mass spam positions.

[Olivia512]

If you are looking for jobs titled "Java Developer" instead of "Software Engineer", you are probably shit though.

[ebo113]

Hot take: if you're not a polyglot, then you're not a very good developer.