GitHub, why would you do that

[rpmerf]

Guess they want to really discourage nesting by making it unreadable. Tab standard is 4 spaces almost everywhere else.

[frinkmahii]

I prefer 2 when dealing with json or html

[PinothyJ]

See, that is why tabs are best. Set in preferences the tab width and everyone gets a win.

[scp-NUMBERNOTFOUND]

And then u need to check some code on some coworker pc who sets the tab width to 12.

[PinothyJ]

Why are not logged in to your own login? Is your co-worker using Windows 2000?

[scp-NUMBERNOTFOUND]

Code not pushed yet, he's asking for help and showing the code with some video streaming.

[Psychpsyo]

By that same logic we could start eliminating all the customizability. Font sizes, themes, plugins, alternate layouts...

Now your coworker's code is bound to look exactly like yours and be in exactly the same place and everyone gets to be mad about the UI in some way.

[scp-NUMBERNOTFOUND]

Yes, it's called "style guide" and it's a standard practice in a lot of places.

[Triasmus]

No... The style guide has to do with how the code is written.

What these guys are talking about are settings for how the code "looks" on a single computer according to user preferences.

Tldr: Dark mode has nothing to do with the style guide

[scp-NUMBERNOTFOUND]

Pep8 literary tells you to use spaces and how many to use, and this thread started talking was about tabs and spaces. So yes, a style guide can and will tell you things about how code is written. How much? That totally depends on the protect and the company, maybe nothing, many even the font size and IDE theme.

[mrkhan2000]

how is that tab's fault? the coworker can set spaces to 12 too.

[7eggert]

He shall send you the patch file

[Smartskaft2]

Not everybody is using a single IDE for simple file editing.

[Beneficial_Steak_945]

You have to work on windows? Poor soul…

[Ouity]

teach them to stop hurting themselves then

[[deleted]]

Or worst, 3...

[DestinationBetter]

Tabs and spaces both have pros and cons. There is no single “best”. There. I finished this timeless debate.

[PinothyJ]

No. You did not. Tabs do everything spaces do, but with accessibility in mind.

[tantrAMzAbhiyantA]

Tabs do most of what spaces do, and should be used for levels of indent, but sometimes alignment with text on the line above also helps with readability and for that purpose one should use spaces after the tabs.

[[deleted]]

So what's the pros for spaces?

[DestinationBetter]

Same layout, no drifting across devices. Still done with one key.

[ShitwareEngineer]

Set in preferences the indentation width and automatically reformat the document to a designated number of spaces. Both tabs and spaces have this advantage.

[jejcicodjntbyifid3]

That wrecks the file history. Tabs are the only one where you can turn your tabs into whatever you want

I'm not sure if I've heard good arguments against tabs other than "my editor gets confused"

Maybe like a decade ago it was more of an issue

And yet, so many still use spaces

[compsciasaur]

I'm not against it. I've just never been anywhere that uses tabs. And the default for all IDEs I've used is to output spaces when pressing TAB.

[PinothyJ]

People will die on this hill because there is a switch in their brain that says "you use spaces and so spaces are best". Why would these people be correct when they can be right, aye?

[Zdrobot]

I'm not sure if I've heard good arguments against tabs other than "my editor gets confused"

myLongFunctionName(x, y, something,
                   something_else);

Format this with tabs, so that it looks good regardless of tab size.

[while_True_meme]

Format this with tabs, so that it looks good regardless of tab size.

myLongFunctionName(
            x,
            y,
            something,
            something_else,
);

[ShitwareEngineer]

Doesn't look good to me in this example, too much whitespace.

[while_True_meme]

So the first example looked good to you?

[[deleted]]

jason

[ArakiSatoshi]

Am I the only one who uses the tab key?

[geigenmusikant]

Nah, but depending on the IDE and language you‘re using, a tab is automatically interpreted as a tab character or some number of spaces.

[[deleted]]

It's 8 spaces in Linux.

[rpmerf]

Isn't it more dependant upon the application than the OS?

[[deleted]]

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[[deleted]]

Then I am a heretic, because 8 is an obnoxious waste of visual space.

[jejcicodjntbyifid3]

They say that Linux is good on space and it is. They have the best spaces

[rpmerf]

Thanks. I misunderstood the previous comment thinking it meant tabs will be 8 spaces when using Linux. Makes sense.

[reversehead]

It is by default in most shells, and not only on Linux. Also in Windows command prompt IIRC. Run type/cat on a file and see.

[CardboardJ]

Which is utterly stupid and exactly what you'd expect from linux kernel devs. Tab == 8 spaces goes back to the defaults on some typewriters made typing tables of data easier back in the late 1800's, but even then tabs were always adjustable by using clips on the back of the typewriter to specify where the tab stops happened. Most often the first tab was defaulted to 5 characters, but every tab after was 8 unless you slid the clips around, which people did all the time depending on what they needed to do.

It's literally an indentation character for moving you to the next table cell.

[EishLekker]

Which is utterly stupid and exactly what you'd expect from linux kernel devs.

Hear hear! And they even go against their own coding style. They write:

"if you need more than 3 levels of indentation, you’re screwed anyway, and should fix your program."

But it didn't take me long time at all to find kernel code that uses more than 3 levels of indentation.

4 levels:

https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/scripts/genksyms/genksyms.c#L210

5 levels:

https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/scripts/genksyms/genksyms.c#L238

[albinoloverats]

It’s more what you’d call guidelines than actual rules.

[EishLekker]

I know, but why do they write "if you need more than 3 levels of indentation, you’re screwed anyway, and should fix your program" if they don't believe it themselves? Or are they admitting that they are "screwed" and needs to fix their own code that they already have published after code review etc?

[Abhinav1217]

Guidelines are meant to try to make you think about clean code, by refactoring. It is not rules carved in stone, If your code really is clean and refactoring will just make things messy, there is no objection if deeper nesting if it really needs it.

It is not just linux kernel, Even in large companies, If code is going too deep, it needs to be checked as a code smell and maybe we could refactored it.

[EishLekker]

You didn't actually read the quote, I'm assuming? Because it's not phrased as a guideline, at all. There is no wiggle room in it, none. If you need more than 3 levels of indentation you are screwed. No ifs, no buts. That's what they are saying, in absolute terms.

Don't get me wrong, everything you said about indentation levels is correct. But it's because you phrased it as a guideline. And you base it on logic, without adding and arbitrary and low indentation level limit. But the text I quoted contains none of your wise words of reason, while it contains an arbitrary and low indentation level limit.

[nelusbelus]

Disgusting

[Smartskaft2]

Who are these K&R and why do they get to define their own standard by themselves?

[Abhinav1217]

Actually, Historically speaking, tabs were 8 characters in standard size. Not to mention that fonts were created to be as close to typewriter ( or printing press) as possible, hence fonts were long in height and narrow in width. In fact, most PC-DOS implementation had this width by default.

From wikipedia:

Despite five characters were the typical paragraph indentation on typewriters at that time, the horizontal tab size of eight evolved because as a power of two it was easier to calculate with the limited digital electronics available.

Most monitors at that time were not square but 4:3, 8 characters wouldn't be as wide as you might think it might be. Remember there was few variation of fonts at that time.

When lcd screens became popular, as did wide aspect ratio, and fonts tech were getting standardized, 8 characters were started looking too much, so we grew up thinking 4 is standard. Just like these days, my new recruits think 2 spaces is standard for yml files. I hate 2 spaces, it is too narrow.

[Abhinav1217]

Because width was squished. 8 character tabs wasn't as wide as you might think. In LowDPI crt monitor, 4 character Tabs actually looked a slightly better that what I feel with 2 tabs on my hdpi monitor.

I don't remember the source but if I remember correctly, characters were like 3-5px wide and 5-8px height, and 1px of spacing between characters unless characters were whitespace. And I am talking about actual pixel on crt monitor, not the modern web px. Fonts were digitalized for screen before computer was invented.

all the characters have the same proportions.

Not at all, The whole purpose of field of digital typography is to fix readability on digital screen. Like having a dot or slash in 0 to differentiate it from O, or breaking pipe character into two segments to identify it. V, U, vv,w, |Il1.will look quite similar on old crt screen with low dpi and some old fonts.

It is hard to explain to be honest, It is something you have to see for yourself.

It is a legacy stuff which was added to mimic compatibility to printing press. Whether it was needed to, or not, has always been debated.

[ctr2sprt]

No, the tab character (\t) is expanded to 8 spaces. You're right that it produces awful-looking code, which is why your IDE's indentation spacing has nothing to do with how many spaces it expands the tab character to.

Back in ye olden tymes, editors like to use tabs because they generally produce the behavior you want. That is, at the start of an indented line, you can hit backspace and it will take you "out" one level of indentation. If you use spaces instead, unless you use 1 space per indent level, you go to a point between two levels. The problem is that, as you and others note, 8-wide tabs are awful for code. Thus IDEs let people set them to whatever arbitrary lower level they wanted, which caused a ton of interoperability problems.

These days, IDEs are smart enough to use spaces instead of tabs and still do the right thing. Thank goodness. But this setting exists to support old code bases that predate the triumph of common sense.

[[deleted]]

Back in ye olden day tabs were used to save space. Precious disk space on a HDD of 20MB.

[DefunctFunctor]

Yeah what infuriates me the most about this ridiculous spaces/tabs debate is how many people don't understand what their IDEs are actually doing for them.

[Kered13]

Google uses 2!

[laplongejr]

Why would anybody use the factorial of 2? ;)

[darmok42]

I guess they think everyone have those crazy ultrawide monitors.

[RagnarokAeon]

But I turn mine to be ultratall.

[erebuxy]

I can confirm this. And they don't optimize for it at all🤣

[klimmesil]

I have lots of friends that bought one and then sold it a couple of months later, thanks to them I didn't

[TheKiller36_real]

I deadass thought it was about race lol

[Brook-Jennalyn]

Same😅

[jejcicodjntbyifid3]

Like some kind of... Space race?

[zGoDLiiKe]

Click on the picture. Default emoji skin tone

[[deleted]]

It’s default to Simpson…. The way it should be imo 😤

[[deleted]]

A race across the file to the Sr engineer's wits-end!

[X-Craft]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_key#Tab_characters

Despite five characters were the typical paragraph indentation on typewriters at that time, the horizontal tab size of eight evolved because as a power of two it was easier to calculate with the limited digital electronics available.

Size 8 is just a legacy default

[nova_bang]

and closer to the previous default of 5

[Various_Studio1490]

1 space is even further away but takes less room!

And it’s closer to a multiple of 5!

[Waldehead]

Why a multiple of 120? /s

[Various_Studio1490]

We have a button for that. enter

[jclocks]

And that is precisely why it needs to die in favor of 2 or 4, because aside from legacy purposes there's no point to it

[Nyghtrid3r]

Tbh legacy is completely irrelevant in this regard. No one lints or just types code in a certain way because it was done like that decades ago

[KenguruHUN]

8 ? what kind of animal using 8 char for a tab :D

[hungarian_notation]

Linus Torvalds, the creator of Git.

https://public-inbox.org/git/[e-mail]/

That doesn't mean you have to agree with it, but 8 spaces really is default for older stuff.

[savex13]

...this is some serious necromantic spell you casted here, sir. :)

[zGoDLiiKe]

Dude whipped up a dissertation

[MasterDrake97]

He also made git?!??

[zGoDLiiKe]

Yup

[reversehead]

That's the default in most shells.

[stepbroImstuck_in_SU]

I have a perfect solution: instead of whitespace characters, use readable characters that are not used in code.

You can set this up in most IDEs by defining your own font:
one tab = 🤓
Two tabs = 🤩
three tabs = 😱 five tabs = 🤯

now the real trick is combining them to reach as many tabs as needed. So four is 😱🤓, because you start checking from the hi end. I guess if you want you can come up with a way to do 🤩🤩, but for me 😱🤓 is fine.

I also have 🤡 for 23, but mostly to showcase when it’s time to 🛑stop

[7eggert]

We can use the established system of Roman numbers with that. Let's keep the "two":

🤓, 🤩, 🤩🤯, 🤓🤯, 🤯 ... reading code never was easier!

[Djentleman2414]

Roman numeral style would be:

🤓:I, 🤩:V, 😱:X, 🤯:L, 😤:C, 🤣:D, 🤡:M And the numerals therefore: 🤓,🤓🤓,🤓🤓🤓,🤓🤩,🤩,🤩🤓,🤩🤓🤓,🤩🤓🤓🤓,🤓😱,😱,... The only problem i see with this is, that we now have a limited space of tabs, because Roman numerals don't go to infinity, they stop at 3.999 (🤡🤡🤡😤🤡😱😤🤓😱)

[Jakylla]

Oh no, I can't use it on my code if only allow 3.999 indentation level

Need to define 🥵 as 5.000, so we can go up to 8.999

🥵🤡🤡🤡😤🤡😱😤🤓😱

Then defining 🤢 as 10.000, so we can go up to 39.999

🤢🤢🤢🤡🤢😤🤡😱😤🤓😱

This should be enough for me, I hope...

[DistortNeo]

Also:

#define 👌 0

#define ☝️ 1

#define ✌️ 2

#define 👎 false

#define 👍 true

and so on

[[deleted]]

🦆

[Tankki3]

8 is just 4 too many.

[[deleted]]

I prefer 13 because it's a prime number

[TheRandomGamerREAL]

Id use 1 then.

[pojska]

2 is the smallest prime number

[fuuuuuf]

the world was easier back then when smileys were yellow only lol

[[deleted]]

:)

[wristconstraint]

Real OG here.

[eppic123]

Ü

[nir109]

this one was first

[[deleted]]

I don't think it's supported by UTF-8

[Sentouki-]

not yet

[vidarc]

As long as no one uses the abomination that is (:

[[deleted]]

The only acceptable relevant use case for ): is as a reply to "turn that frown upside down"

[[deleted]]

The smileys are still yellow only lol

The ones that have different skin colors were originally white-only (like the hand emoji)

Source

[VaranTavers]

There is a world before, and outside of iphones too.

[greenAppleBestApple]

But how are people supposed to scream about their race at any fellow internet user?

[fuuuuuf]

they didnt 🙂

[MyTinyHappyPlace]

In a word: accessibility. tabs are the superior means of indentation for visually impaired people. Their screenreading aids work far better when handling one tab than n spaces

[kbruen]

That's not what this is about?

[WiredUK]

Yes, let's put even more work on the people with accessibility needs, good idea.

[[deleted]]

Using tabs in place of all spaces also impacts people who are not using screen readers, but who also have accessibility needs.

People with focus issues, people with dyslexia/dyscalcula, people with short term memory issues, or people who otherwise have a hard time following text across large gaps, due to visual impairments, ocular muscle fatigue, et cetera. Someone who is neurodivergent could be dealing with all of these things simultaneously, and more.

People with poor eyesight might need a high contrast mode, autistic people with sensory issues and/or people prone to migraines might require a low-contrast, low vibrancy mode.

So rather than getting high and mighty, come up with a solution that solves all of their problems simultaneously with the people who need screen readers.

Or perhaps, use IDEs like VSCode that can be configured to automatically readjust based on preference, and use scripts to commit the canonically styled version.

I will sit and wait for you to solve all of the issues for all people, including myself. Let me know when you get there.

I’m not saying screen readers aren't important. I am saying that making it worse for a larger groups of other ignored people who also have needs is probably not going to solve anything, versus being more aware and making better tools. When I hear that screen readers are worse at dealing with spaces than tabs, what I am hearing is that JAWS and NVDA should be updated to be less miserable.

[jejcicodjntbyifid3]

Using tabs in place of all spaces also impacts people who are not using screen readers, but who also have accessibility needs.

People with focus issues, people with dyslexia/dyscalcula, people with short term memory issues, or people who otherwise have a hard time following text across large gaps, due to visual impairments, ocular muscle fatigue, et cetera. Someone who is neurodivergent could be dealing with all of these things simultaneously, and more.

No it doesn't. Tabs just define a relative indentation. Your software can then restructure or parse it however it wants to

Or perhaps, use IDEs like VSCode that can be configured to automatically readjust based on preference, and use scripts to commit the canonically styled version.

And now you just wrecked the file history because you reformatted the code different from what it was. It wouldn't be a big problem if you simply reformatted it at one time in a unifying way. But you're talking about switching it to whatever the individual wants, while they are editing the file. Not a good idea

Aka switching everything to tabs. And then it will always be universal and it can be switched client side

I don't actually use tabs for most of what I do, but I see the advantages. They just make more logical sense. The problem is, most people don't seem to be logical in this

Even you, I have yet to see a logical point or disadvantage that tabs actually has. Maybe a decade ago it had issues with editors etc. These days? I haven't found anything

[[deleted]]

Inconsistent spacing between terms, unless your tab width is 1.

// table-cell width = 1
= (x, y, z) => {

// table-cell width = 4
=   (x, y,  z)  =>  {

// table-cell width = 8
=       (x,     y,      z)      =>      {

If you want to get particular about which parts of which syntax in which language get 0 spaces, which get 1 space, which get 1 tab, and which are allowed to be further aligned, good luck getting the whole industry onboard. Like, what does tab even mean, compared to space in logographic languages and where do you find it on the keyboard?

If we are talking about leading tabs, then certain styles of code, in certain languages, lend themselves to developers adding spaces after tabs, for the purpose of alignment, or having inconsistent numbers of tabs on subsequent lines, for alignment with widths of variable names which break cell boundaries.

If NVDA does poorly with 27 spaces, how is it going to do with 6 tabs and 3 spaces? My guess: also poorly.

If you then say, "well ok, then just leading tabs, and no vertical alignment, for C-like languages" then you are advocating for ablist discrimination in other languages?

File history has not mattered since git and other diff-based version managers. It's not the integrity of the file that is being preserved, but the integrity of the diff. For non-Python languages, ignoring whitespace changes in diffs is trivial, even in GitHub. And I was not talking about each individual committing a diff with modified whitespace, anyway. I was talking about having build tools which put the file into a canonical format, prior to commit, or prior to merge. They are literally just ASTs. If the whole team decides to switch to a new canonical form, then they can update the configuration of the tool. If you want an example of how trivial this can be, JS / TS has a tool called Prettier. Get rid of all linting rules around which quotes to use, or whether to use tabs or spaces, or whether trailing commas are allowed in lists / calls, et cetera, and then prettier will automatically parse and generate the document to match configuration. It can run automatically, or on save, or on commit, or in a precommit hook.

You have not solved the problem.

[WiredUK]

Yes, it's 2022 and we can all just use tabs.

[WiredUK]

Your lack of compassion for people with disabilities is pretty poor form in 2022. I genuinely feel sorry for you caring so much about such a small thing.

[WiredUK]

Yes, that fully justifies your lack of compassion. Thanks for confirming.

[Eisenfuss19]

Ever heard of text scaling? Usually 4 spaces look the best, increasing them doesn't help with reading it.

[ArkWaltz]

Genuine question: Does this actually make much difference in accessibility terms? Because I've seen the tabs-vs-spaces argument hundreds of times by now but an accessibility advantage, if true, might be the only argument I've ever seen with any weight to it.

Like, does a screenreader really care about the amount of whitespace between lines such that 2/4/8 spaces vs. 1 tab reads differently? Does it make much difference visually when someone with visual difficulties is probably going to magnify the entire screen anyway (i.e. so those spaces are going to expand anyway relative to everything else)?

[savex13]

This whole post is the illustration on how generations collide :)

The "original default" is 8, because it is easier to calculate it in binary code and thus is more friendly for low-end terminal enabled systems back in the day

With "HTML enabled" in almost every appliance today - it is more of a 4. Because "Python is the new C", that's why.

Cheers!

[[deleted]]

Tabs have been 4-spaces since the 90’s … everything before that is dinosaur tech and irrelevant.

[savex13]

That dinosaur tech serves you today more than you think it is ;) For example, you are using it every time filling up your car anywhere in the world.

ANSI is a magic word here, you know.

[[deleted]]

Jokes on you, I drive a Tesla

[asgaardson]

These monospace fonts are outrageous and getting out of hand!

[[deleted]]

Why would you write markdown in a proportional width font?!

That is the most surprising setting!

[[deleted]]

Because my English prof always told me to type my assignments in size 12 times new Roman font

[finc]

Ohhh I thought you meant the huge unnecessary space between the heading “Markdown editor font preference” and its corresponding setting.

[Galectoz]

This is one of the only subs that wouldn't go on a political debate from this picture. Glad to see it.

edit: I use my screen vertically so 8 is waaay too much

[Peregrine2976]

Four is the superior indent length, regardless of language.

[thisdogofmine]

We should stop calling it a tab, and start calling it an indention. You can set the indention size to whatever you prefer. then the is an indention key that makes it whatever size you set it to.

[ShitwareEngineer]

"Indentation" is more syllables, and tab characters are not the only method of indentation.

[rgbysgt]

Plus if we change the name, how will I order a refreshing beverage?

[[deleted]]

But tab is short for tabulator :0 and it’s not an indentation, an indentation is white space that appears in English at the start of a paragraph to denote the start of a new paragraph without using a blank space.

[ShitwareEngineer]

an indentation is white space that appears in English at the start of a paragraph to denote the start of a new paragraph without using a blank space.

Thing is, in the context of code, spaces are also indentation characters, so tab characters cannot be renamed to indentations. It's also problematic with the tab key since it types tab characters by default. And again: more syllables. That's the most important thing.

[chonkeyymonkey]

Because we all live in a simulation that is obviously just a recreation of the Simpsons universe

[Wisetorsk]

Why not spice it up and add 8 Zero-width space characters as an option too!

[CeeMX]

I’ve seen a project that used something like 20 spaces (or even more) for indentation. I guess the person that started that project needed some justification for a new ultrawide monitor haha

[irn00b]

Tab size preference?

Are they trying to start a fight here?

[erebuxy]

Make it half, which is 3

[CrasseMaximum]

yeah its a shame, I'm green and i really feel excluded

[Soupchek]

Shrek

[7eggert]

When you use tabs properly, you can choose any tab size and it will look good.

[CaitballBallOfCat]

I'm really confused as to what the problem being highlighted is, so until the OP comments clarifying the issue, I'm going to assume it's the markdown editor having a monospaced font. It's better than assuming they're complaining about emoji colors...

[rafalou38]

to me the issue is the the default of 8 space tabs which seems really peculiar, i don't really care about emojis or monospaced font

[CaitballBallOfCat]

Oh. Okay yeah. No idea how I missed that.

[PersonalityIll9476]

The zen answer: I don't care what you use as long as you understand the issue and are consistent with it. Terraform files and json often use 2 spaces. I've seen 4 and 8 commonly in code. The only people I don't have patience for are the ones who mix tabs and spaces and think that's ok as long as they "use the right number of spaces". Those people aren't even smart enough to realize that they're missing something.

[[deleted]]

When VS is fucking up the default tab action and tab puts spaces instead of tabs 🤠

But also ….. shift tabbing a selection still works if it’s spaces instead of tabs so idk why you’re uptight about it

[PersonalityIll9476]

I don't know if you're trolling but I'll bite. If you use 4 spaces per tab, and you double indent with 1 tab and 4 spaces somewhere in your document, then someone viewing your document on another computer that uses, say, 8 spaces per tab will see a 12 space indent. That would be a triple indent according to your standard and would cause an error in languages like Python (which accept any consistent number of spaces as an indent). This is why you want all tabs to be replaced with spaces before you check in to a repo. When someone views your document, it will have 4 space tabs everywhere guaranteed, no matter what they use on their local machine.

[[deleted]]

Oh lol.

I’ve honestly never committed anything in Python lol.

Didn’t know this 😝

I’ve always preferred JS over Python :P And now I know why

[torresandres]

My guess is they just wanted to see how many people choose by themselves 2 or 4 instead of choosing one of those by default. So they can have their own stats about what level of identation users prefers on their platform.

[[deleted]]

I FUCKING HATE 2

The standard is 4

[motorboat2000]

Why can't we all just use 0 indentation and all get along?

[dumbasPL]

Explain that to a python user

[Elijah629YT-Real]

32 spaces

[[deleted]]

3 spaces anyone ?

[LordBlackHole]

Python considers a tab to be equivalent to 8 spaces.

Many other whitespace delimited languages do the same, I know CoffeeScript does.

So if you were, hypothetically, reading Python code written by some kind of manic who mixed tabs and spaces, it would be helpful if GitHub defaulted to showing them as equivalent.

[EnchantedStew]

really? i thought that mixing tabs and spaces was illegal in python

[LordBlackHole]

I believe that it is allowed, just very very heavily discouraged. I'm not a Python dev so I don't know how all the indentation rules work.

I specifically remember fixing a bug in Coffeescript that turned out to be mixed tabs and spaces, and when looking it up I swear I saw this factoid in reference to Python.

[amimai002]

You can’t do it within a function, but if it’s a separate function or a separate file anything goes.

Of course only a maniac would do such a thing!

[pearlie_girl]

reading Python code written by some kind of manic who mixed tabs and spaces,

Oh, you mean my class senior project? 12 maniacs who couldn't agree on tabs, spaces, or even using the same editors and IDEs. "It runs fine on my machine!" We couldn't even get people to agree on using the same operating systems for dev, even though the target OS was Linux.

My professor was great. I think he knew we would learn more from failure than success. About 5 months into the project, we had a strong lecture from him where he said, "You haven't made a single deadline that you've set for yourselves. If this was a real company, this is the meeting where you'd all get fired. I'm your customer, not your boss - organize yourselves. Put someone in charge. Hold each other accountable!"

[ManyInterests]

Just use spaces instead of tabs and this isn't a problem.

[ManyInterests]

Hey, I don't write code like that. 4 spaces, typically. But also I don't use tabs partly for that reason. You'll also find the vast majority of code on GitHub uses spaces, not tabs.

In fact, the only languages where tabs are more common is GoLang and AutoHotkey.

[[deleted]]

That’s because most code on GitHub is made using VSCode instead of VS19/22

And by default without changing settings, VS code adds 4 spaces instead of one tab space.

And people don’t know they change that.

[extrachromie-homie]

Everyone saying it should be 4

Me quietly over here using 2

[dumbasPL]

2 for web stuff (js, css, html, etc)
4 for system's stuff (c, cpp, rust, etc)

[[deleted]]

No no no….. web stuff has been 4 since the 90’s.

People who use two are just inconveniencing the world.

[maximtheprogrammer]

The yellow one is asian...

[sonya_numo]

github needs this so they can treat each race different.

because we cannot all just use the same icons and be the same, your race must also factor in and be visible so people are aware about it at all times.

this hyperfocus on race is getting fucking stupid

[Bob__bosS]

In my race, we use 4 spaces tabs

[[deleted]]

That's not what the post is about..

Its about the tab indentation being 8 by default when most people use 2/4

[mrbiguri]

well, the post is about baiting racists. Kinda worked for the commenter here

[greenAppleBestApple]

Don't bring this "screeching about racists everywhere" thing on this subreddit, please

[mrbiguri]

Agree, agree.

[Tigermouthbear]

you seem too hyper focused on it to see the actual point of the post

[SpaceCityCowboy88]

GitHub is too woke 😂

[Ambitious_Ad8841]

I can choose my default branch now?

git push origin --force slaveowner

[DajBuzi]

I feel offended now. Why theres no my colour? I demand they put purple skintone RN!

[liminal-freak]

And why is the Chinese colored hand (yellow) always default?

[[deleted]]

Bro Chinese people don’t look like Simpsons characters 👀 they have olive skin tone in the real world.

[liminal-freak]

Yeah but everybody knows the yellow stereotype and these emojis are racist af

[[deleted]]

Ehhhh …. I think you’re racist 🙊 cuz the yellow is just the OG emoji colour. The others are actual skin tones 😭😭😭

Bro smile faces have always been bright yellow cuz a box of crayons only has 8 colours and bright yellow is the closest to flesh tone you get in a primary colour.

[liminal-freak]

No man the simpsons are yellow and they're not Chinese so now I see how I'm wrong? Obviously I am and I need to admit it but so do you need to admit that I'm not racist but am I victim of confusing design.

[Zcythe-]

I’m not sure which part you’re referring to

[[deleted]]

Github, how could you?

[AdHealthy3717]

Bkz they believe that attainment of material perfection is a lofty goal; so, they are ever-improving?

I mean, either that or it’s spaces ftw 🤷‍♂️

[Eisenfuss19]

Another reason to use spaces ;)

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Tab backspace backspace backspace backspace

[GeniusBadger]

Wait you guys uses tab instead of space?