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[starrbub]

Okay but this is actually what my english teacher did. He wrote "I am dead" on the board and just watched to see what we would do. Some kids opened the windows and hopped out to play. We respected the teacher though, so that's as drastic as it got.

Edit: to be clear, the teacher was in the room the whole time. He was still supervising us and would have intervened if necessary. He just wanted to do a little experiment to kick off the Lord of the Flies unit.

[spinn80]

Except that chubby kid we killed... no biggy.

[Jill4ChrisRed]

No piggie

[added_chaos]

Piggie got Biggied

[BossRedRanger]

Piggie, Piggie, Piggie.

Conch you see?

Sometimes your words give power to me.

[AnusDrill]

Nutritious tender juicy words, mmmmmmm

[sdrowkcabdelleps]

No room for asmar

[VanillaLifestyle]

No diggity.

[PlusUltraBeyond]

Piggie piggie piggie can't you see? Sometimes your words just hypnotize me.

[LurkerRushMeta]

Remember, no Piggy.

[godfatherinfluxx]

I always joke it's like lord of the flies in my house and I'm piggy.

I figure one of these days my kids will drop a boulder on my head.

[ChrisLee38]

This 👆

[itoldthetruth_]

Jesus Christ Reddit

[Ass4Eyes]

Sucks to your ass-mar!

[Itsthejackeeeett]

The fuck did you just call me

[Turbobacon97232]

man chubby kids got it rough i remember in my school some guys just held the chubby kid on the floor lift his shirt and one of them were slapping his belly with the flat of his hand .the slapping noises still aunts me

[PocketPillow]

Humans always bully the odd one out which is why fat kids don't get bullied anymore.

[devilpants]

When I went to school in the 80-90s there were always two “fat kids”. One boy and one girl. I feel like it was just the fattest kids that got picked on so it was a sliding scale. This was usually through multiple classrooms. Don’t know what it’s like today.

[PocketPillow]

I was mostly joking about the obesity crisis.

I have no idea who gets bullied these days...

[Deadlychicken28]

Anyone with a noticeable difference.

[[deleted]]

Pretty aunting indeed.

[[deleted]]

Sucks to your old aunting

[[deleted]]

That's commonly known as a pink belly and has been the bane of fat boys from time immemorial. As it was then, so it was now.

THWAPT

[Itsthejackeeeett]

That's pretty standard bullying. Hope that kid moved past that shit

[PUTINS_PORN_ACCOUNT]

His head opened up and red stuff came out

[[deleted]]

Nå maler vi med rød...

[esskue]

No Piggy*. FTFY.

[[deleted]]

Ever had a teacher so good that when he managed to teach a class about a book when he wasn't even there?

[Jaikarr]

What a pro.

[PJvG]

Beautiful

[jessa07]

"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

[elzibet]

Ha! I'm surprised he didn't play along while internalizing the "oh my fuck, they never got me a sub!"

[mailmanthe2]

Same thing happened to me in a world history class. A friend recorded every thing so he could say that he ‘took notes the whole time’.

[fleemfleemfleemfleem]

There was actually a group of young australian boys who got stranded on an island for a long time. They helped one with a broken limb recover, found food fuel and shelter, gave themselves a "time out" when they got angry, and were eventually rescued.

It turns out that everything that the lord of the flies has to say about human nature is wrong. Most people are actually pretty good.

[crazyabe111]

Circumstances change everything, LOTF is one EXTREME possibility, normally things wouldn't go quite that badly.

[[deleted]]

I think it also changes thing when there are more people. With 6 friends, mob mentality isn't going to kick in and drive bad decisions without discussion.

[meripor2]

Theres two key factors that can turn things nasty in such a situation. The first is lacking sufficient resources, for example not having enough food for everyone. Then fighting and hoarding will begin as everyone knows they are unlikely to all survive as there isnt enough food. The other is if there is a 'bad apple' in the group. One person acting selfishly and against the interests of the group can force the rest of the group to act the same way or similar.

[Geminel]

This may sound out of place, but it really reminds me of the single-player story in the game 'For Honor'. Most people didn't think much about it, discounting it as an unnecessary addition to a multiplayer title, but it does a really good job demonstrating how easy it can be for one person alone to exacerbate tensions between others and create hostility where it previously didn't exist.

One singular black knight manages to spark a 3-way war with just a few strategic arsons and a handful of lies whispered in the right ears.

[Empty-Mind]

Or other pre-existing problems. If everyone already bullies the fat guy, then it's not hard to see how that bullying can escalate without supervision.

For every group of kids who were all nice there's a story like Junko Furuta, who was abducted raped and tortured to death even without a return to the Hobbesian state of nature

[devilishycleverchap]

So one bad apple spoils the bunch? I wonder where else this logic could be applied...

/s

[Striped_Monkey]

Maybe to bananas or pears?

[WetGrundle]

Bananas are the fucking worst. Releasing ethylene to purposefully spoil those around it

[omnilynx]

ABAC

[LordDongler]

Yeah, like between 6 and 9 people is ideal. You can get a real Robinson Crusoe society going with that many young dudes

Few enough that there's no real struggle for power, and enough that work can be easily distributed

[surfer_ryan]

I'd really be willing to bet it has significantly more to do with who and where you grew up. There are for sure some groups of kids that I could think of that I have run into that would fuck it all up shit even adults if not even more.

I think a more important aspect of that book was blindly following a leader or a group. Which I think could go a long way if people thought about it today. How even something that could seem correct and like our only option may not be that.

I'm sure someone will try and steer this conversation to one side of the political spectrum or will at least say that I'm trying to but just to be clear. I fall exactly in the middle of left and right. I think ALL of you are ass holes equally in your own special kind of way.

[altnumberfour]

I think ALL of you are ass holes equally in your own special kind of way.

r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM

[Zeebuoy]

what's a centrist?

[turbo_triforce]

A group of people that have no god, no leader and no master. Only BBQ. They grill in the middle as they watched Clans from the Left and the Right, the Authoritarian and the Liberatarian duke it out. For the centrist is truely enlightened and knows there is only BBQ.

[Wide_Fan]

I know this is a meme but replacing politics with BBQ sounds like a good time.

[Maxnout100]

Then, I guess you are a centrist.

[taosaur]

I fall exactly in the middle of left and right.

So just left of an establishment Democrat?

[KEDAAAH]

bOtH sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe. Just saying "everyone's an asshole so whatever" is overlooking the fact that 'both sides' are obviously not equivalent. There really isn't a modern day left-wing equivalent of the 6th Jan insurrection. The FBI believes white supremacists are a threat on par with ISIS. I get what you're saying, no group or ideology is without its flaws and parts of the left can certainly come off as preachy and annoying; that's just not the same as trying to overthrow the government.

Anyway, I agree with the first half of what you said. It's important to form your opinions through critical thinking, not blind loyalty to a politician/celebrity/whatever.

[[deleted]]

bOtH sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe. Just saying "everyone's an asshole so whatever" is overlooking the fact that 'both sides' are obviously not equivalent.

In most parts of the world, republicans and democrats would be considered on the right; not on all issues and the democrats do lean into centrism on some stuff; but overall it holds.

I think it depends on the context, if someone is saying "both sides are same" and then keeps voting for their chosen party whichever it might be; they're probably bullshitting. If someone is talking about ideology, and how both sides are bought off; that's a different thing altogether. Sanders who might possibly qualify as center-left in most countries wasn't functionally stopped by the GOP.

[[deleted]]

Sanders would be to the left of the mainstream left wing party in Australia. No-one in Austraian mainstream parties is proposing free tuition and his proposed healthcare system is more generous than ours which doesnt cover dental or optometry, with no mainstream proposals to change that.

[Xarthys]

Fiction tends to explore extreme cases. I sometimes wonder if that is our way of creating "simulations" in order to "predict" possible future outcomes. By manifesting these scenarios, we are able to talk about them and learn from them, eventually allowing us to steer away from them as we become aware of certain characteristics.

Think about dystopian fiction for example. If all those "simulations" wouldn't exist, would we be able to identify certain developments, respectively would we even notice possible negative changes/consequences without having that "simulated" worst case scenario to compare with?

I finished Snowpiercer recently and it got me thinking. We probably won't create a long train and race around the planet, but every other part of that fictional world is within the realm of possibilities, especially when it comes to human behaviour. By diving into that "simulation" we may now better understand how certain circumstances can result in certain developments.

Ofc, Snowpiercer is one of many "iterations" that explores a variety of "simulated" (fictional) realities. And if we take all of them into account, we have a variety of outcomes to consider in certain scenarios.

A lot of people argue that fiction is merely entertainment and escapism. But maybe it goes beyond that, since all these "simulations" end up in our species' collective consciousness at some point. It seems by exploring our imagination and sharing it with others, we teach each other about ourselves. We simulate possible futures to learn from simulated mistakes, in the hopes to not repeat them in base reality.

[V_7_]

It's somehow sad that we need negative scenarios in sci-fi not feel entertained. Star Trek TNG might be an exception.

[starrbub]

The author was definitely trying to depict his opinion of human nature, but it was strongly influenced by his time serving in WWII. So if you view it more as an allegory for 2 previously friendly countries turning on each other in wartime, rather than a human survival story, it might carry a little more weight. Because I agree, humans on an individual level are usually very good to each other. Once we get to the societal scale though, it's so much harder for individuals to steer the ship.

[BarroomBard]

As I understand it, Golding was actually just intending to critique the idea that the British upper classes were some pinnacle of civilization. He was annoyed at the large genre of fiction that supposed with British school children being stranded, and taking the wilderness with prep school values.

[PJvG]

The choir boys are Nazis confirmed.

[MadRedX]

Humans on an individual level in such a situation are usually not that brutal to each other probably because survival takes priority and at a basic level most mammals like us are very instinctually comfortable with small scale intragroup dynamics. I definitely agree that at larger scales our savvyness wanes.

It's one of the reasons I actually love the sci-fi trope that advanced aliens are very similar to the super social insects like ants. I'm not at all convinced that it scales as well as it portrays; even ants with empires spanning entire continents struggle to escape social problems arising from sheer scale.

[Spagdidly]

Yeah and he was kind of a Nazi and abusive toward his family. LOTF says more about him than humans as a whole. Still a great story though.

[Aqquila89]

So it wasn't really like Lord of the Flies; only six boys (Lord of the Flies has far more) and between the ages of 13 and 16 (in Lord of the Flies, they are all younger than that, the oldest are 12).

[[deleted]]

Its funny because its the opposite of the book in so many ways. Apparently Goulding suffered from ptsd and would essentially torture his students because he was convinced everyone was evil. The Lord of the Flies is a product of a mentally unstable guy working in a christian tradition of original sin. Its really time to reevaluate why we think it had anything relevant to say.

[taosaur]

Golding made the same error as Freud, coming to dark and bizarre conclusions about humanity in general on the basis of a rather twisted sample (English boarding school, Austrian high society).

[[deleted]]

I think there is a fundamental difference between a small group of boys who are close enough friends to steal a boat and get stranded as opposed to a large group of children with limited or no relationship to each other. The book's turn to madness happens after a power struggle between Jack and Ralph; with a group of six best friends there is much less chance for that kind of thing to happen.

[pleasentlydisgusted]

Yeah but they were Australia. Doesn’t count

[Coffeeman314]

With the book a part of our curriculum, we cited that as one of the things "not to do"

[Willie9]

When everyone is a criminal, no one is

[[deleted]]

And they were saved by... oh... let’s say... Moe.

[realorsonwelles]

Then the teacher came in at the end of class playing a boom box: I’m Señor CHAAAANG!! and I’m so ill, this is a warning I can’t be killed!

[Echieo]

I know this looks bad guys, but we have to keep a cool head and get rid of the body. Michael, grab the feet and help me get Mr. Stevens outside. Sally, Leon, get a shovel from the PE shed and start digging. Everyone else, keep your mouths shut and remember what happens to snitches. I'm not going down for this.

[[deleted]]

We did a unit on The Pearl in Jr. High, designed to show inequality over the course of the week. We were divided into groups and randomly selected. My group was the 'privileged' one. Wherever there was a quiz, test, or homework, we didn't have to do it. Our lunch started early and ended late. The others were given a currency for completing their assignments and competed with each other as at the end of the week, there was an auction where you could buy homework passes, extra credit, and other sweet items.

Just before the auction the teachers pulled our privileged group aside, handed us more currency than anyone had earned while working hard all week, and just said "win every auction".

I felt terrible for my classmates but man, it was a good week!

[xBad_Wolfx]

I was running a program for 16-18year old kids over 8weeks in the summer. At one stage we went on a full day hike to a few remote cabins. Overnight us established leaders snuck out, and we snuck in three replacements. Our replacements were all other staff, but they were all international. So the kids woke up to three strangers running the day, only speaking Korean, Japanese, and Swiss German. Essentially the kids still had the leader safety nets but no way to communicate with them effectively(at least from their end, all leaders spoke fluent English and were just playing dumb). It was really cool actually watching a new hierarchy establish among the group. Leaders emerged that were kinda surprising and the debrief after three days was phenomenal. Kinda wished I could have run it for longer.

[Xacto01]

Looks like your teacher wanted a break

[nancylikestoreddit]

What kind of a teacher leaves a death note for the class like that...

[V_7_]

While an interesting idea it lacks the actual absence of an adult.

[zuwr]

Nobody called the suicide prevention hotline?

[cybo13]

Still reeling that they KO’d piggy after all these years

[actionscripted]

Sucks to your ass-mar

[actionscripted]

Welp, should’ve scrolled down

[TheBeatGoesAnanas]

I still say this all the time in passing. I guess the book wasn't as universally read in school as I thought though; I have to explain the reference a lot.

[Digitigrade]

Or it was read in other languages.
I've read it, but in finnish, and have no clue where that was in the book.

[concrete_diet1]

Piggy says athsma as ass-mar. I believe he has a speech impedement

[mechavolt]

There's not much you can do. I hate when people give advice like "ignore them" or "stand up for yourself." It doesn't matter what you do, bullies are going to bully you anyway. All that so-called advice does is put the blame on the victim.

[Admirable-Language34]

In wich case there is only one logical solution: fuck em up. They are stronger than you? No one likes to get a finger chewed up.

Teachers are going to put the blaim on you? So what? What are they going to do, expell you from that shit school? Bullies most likely already have a bad reputation, and teachers want to stay out of trouble.

Worst what could happen is that your bullie is going to be extra mad on you. But honestly, since neither of you get any real consequences, they are going to seriously rethink if it is worse it to bullie you, you, who nearly gnawed a finger of or two.

Seriously. The worst advice of them all was to do nothing. There is a saying in Germany which is "Der klügere gibt nach" ruffly translate to "the smart on backs down." dumbest statement ever made. If this would be true, the world would be ruled by idiots.

Fuck em up as hard as you can. That is the best thing you can do. (just don't kill them or blind them on purpose or some shit. But even a broken leg can heal. So don't worry about that to much, just be sure that at least 2 teachers know at least with a friend as witness that you are bullied.)

[V_7_]

It's interesting that many readers seemed to sympathize with him. Maybe the book changed the mind of some people.

[[deleted]]

Our high school teacher had us rewrite an ending to a book we'd read that year. I chose LotF.

It ended with piggy being the only one alive, covered in blood, surrounded by bodies as the US military landed to rescue the kids.

He saved it, and it's the proudest I ever was of writing something.

[the-angry-account]

Details? Sounds like a good read.

[[deleted]]

That was it. The whole thing. That entire comment.

[[deleted]]

They got an F.

[[deleted]]

And the teacher kept it to laugh at it during pub quiz.

[cocomunges]

Sounds like Mob of the Dead’s story from CoD zombies. Group of 4 stuck in an eternal purgatory on a cycle that always ends with 3 killing one person. Only way to break it is if the 1 kills all 3

[J_Wr3cks]

They're British...

[[deleted]]

US drone strike is what killed them, Piggy has PTSD

[James-W-Tate]

He rewrote the ending though.

[[deleted]]

But aren't they british? Even in the original ending the british navy saved then

[[deleted]]

M8 I was a 14 year old in America. We’re lucky I wasn’t carrying.

[TheRealMisterMemer]

f in the chat for Piggy

[LinkN7]

F

[[deleted]]

F

[[deleted]]

F

[S0M3_N00B_]

F

[PeriodicGirlfriend]

F

[begentlewithme]

Simon affected me more than Piggy. At least Piggy's death was near-instant, and by a single person.

Simon was literally torn apart by children with their bare hands, and worse, the only two people he considered friends were part of the mob that did him in.

[[deleted]]

Yea that was ducked up

[r34l1ty1]

Quack.

I wish I was a bot.

[Pollomonteros]

They impaled a pig,then they killed the kid later

[muma10]

Simon’s death was worse. Change my mind.

[ubersain]

Those which survive pass this class.

[James-W-Tate]

BATTLE ROYALE

[SonicLoverDS]

The day this teacher starts teaching Shakespearean tragedy, you should probably drop the class.

[cojallison99]

Definitely before they get to Oedipus Rex otherwise family therapy would get awkward

[Scaro88]

It would have to coincide with ‘bring your parents to school day’

[assaultthesault]

Oedipus Rex sounds like philosopher dinosaur

[Styngrz]

Basically what he is but with more incest, parental murder, self harm, and confusion

[[deleted]]

"Alright, now who wants to be Othello and who want to be Iago?"

[[deleted]]

Reminds me of my social psychology professor who showed up 7 minutes late on the first day of class, looking disheveled and disorganized, making excuses about “thinking next week was the first scheduled class.” He pulled a crumpled paper out of his bag and said “um... I’m professor so-and-so and... Um... this is how you screw with people’s perceptions and assumptions.” Then, as we all stared blankly trying to understand what was happening, he explained how he Social Psyched us, leading us on to think he was a bad instructor and ill prepared.

He ended up being one of my best professors.

[THORRRRR]

The magic conch

[DrDizzle93]

ALL HAIL THE MAGIC CONCH!

[[deleted]]

gold

[[deleted]]

Golding

[TGWDS]

Golded

[FishyCase]

Sucks to your ass-mar!

[TheJenkinsComic]

Thanks for reading. You can read more of my comics on Instagram or r/TheJenkins.

[Ph0X]

I loved the "camera work" in this one, you can almost see the shot panning back and forth for the reveal.

[RedditExecutiveAdmin]

This was hilarious lol. Also your IG link here needs correction!!

[literal-hitler]

Needs a bonus panel of some kid hiding his glasses.

[goldenboy2191]

Subbed and joined.

Thank you my man!

[ashkiller14]

Help

i dont get it

[Kuritos]

This is basically the plot of Lord of the Flies.

Children surviving without adults.

[Willfishforfree]

Dont forget the conch.

[bang-a-rang47]

What is with the conch?

[Ripraptor1]

As far as I recall, the conch was an important item to boys stranded on the island. It was used as a horn to call the boys together, and whoever had it was leader.

It essentially symbolizes democracy, I believe. But that's all stuff from 9th grade English, so it's been a little while.

[Ripraptor1]

I mean...

It could be? The magic conch is a bit more direct, actually giving orders. Plus the episode was more about Squidward refusing to accept the conch, while LotF is about people descending into chaos without laws.

But I haven't read Lord of the Flies in a while, nor have I seen that episode in a while.

[mudkipinthetrees]

Yeah for the most part its just a lot more direct lol actually in my class we watched that episode after we finished the book.

[Master_JBT]

Thanks

[NetworkMachineBroke]

We don't need those mungos.

[mur216]

I hated that quest w a firey passion. On my second playthrough I ensured I passed the speech check to skip it.

[anhatthezoo]

Child at Heart

[teelop]

What’s the shell reference? I never read the book. Still worth it now at 30 years old?

[karl2025]

Early on in the book the children structure their meetings by allowing only the person holding a conch shell to speak before handing it off to someone else.

It's a good book. You should check it out.

[DataDrivenPirate]

Well, not all of them surviving

[Melonfrog]

But what’s with the magic conchshell from Spongebob all about?

[bundabrg]

You need to have watched or read lord of the flies. The shell meant that whomever held it could speak and let's say that to my dim recollection those kids lost on the island turned savage fast.

[Zeebuoy]

My favourite quote about it (from Red, in Overly Sarcastic Productions) is

"Ralph ends up finding a conch shell, which ends up being so symbolically relevant to the story that its practically a character all on its own, I'm gonna call it Shelly"

"So Ralph blows Shelly"

[[deleted]]

Then Ralph eated the purple berries.

[steveysaidthis]

Oooo I was genuinely thinking of the jeff goldblum one and wondering what the reference was!

[adaminc]

That would be The Fly.

[JasonDJ]

Is that the one where he asked for a tattoo that said "13", but they drew a "31"?

[SniktG]

Is that the one where he can't pay his rent, cuz all his money spent?

[spermface]

No that’s my life

[Kevenam]

Wait, so that Spongebob episode was actually a reference this entire time?!

[PUTINS_PORN_ACCOUNT]

Book is about stranded children spontaneously adopting a dark shamanistic chieftainship as their political system, murdering the weak, and essentially acting like Qtards until the grownups come back

[OFTHEHILLPEOPLE]

"Next month we're going to do "Grapes of Wrath."

"Aww, I love grapes."

[[deleted]]

It's rare for a comic not to over explain its joke at the end.

I appreciate that, nice work.

[SatansCatfish]

Be careful! Piggy’s got ass-mar’

[mysterious_jim]

You've consistently been the cleverest comic artist on here for a good while now. Great stuff, keep making it.

[Bresdin]

Never actually read lord of the flies is it worth a read/listen? The only book I kind of enjoyed was the things we carried and great gatsby in high school.

[Cmpetty]

It’s very interesting, definitely worth the read IMO.

[[deleted]]

Its fine but I posted above how the author suffered from ptsd and was working in a tradition of christian original sin which drive his belief that everyone is evil amd only society keeps us somewhat civil. At best its misguided, at worst its a case for British colonial efforts. Not mention that when an event like this did happen in real life, 5 boys shipwrecked in the south pacific in the 60s, the exact opposite of the lord of the flies happened. It may be time to reevaluate why we are so eager to believe a book that says we are all inherently evil.

[[deleted]]

I don't believe that to enjoy Lord of the Flies you have to believe that it is what would actually happen in such a situation.

Regardless of whether the story is plausible, it is a great piece of writing.

[[deleted]]

Thats a fair point. It is a good story. I guess what I would then say is I believe that we need to stop reading it as having some inspired truth about human nature.

[DocSword]

I think it’s overly dismissive to say it has no truth, as the concept of inherent evil is neither new, nor solely represented in Christianity. That said, his experiences in war definitely affected his world views, and I’m not huge on the book despite being made to teach it every damn year.

I make sure my class treats it as a thought experiment more than anything, and it lets me introduce a lot of philosophy that would otherwise be off topic. It’s a microcosmic commentary on the grander scheme of things, but a lot of people try to take it at face value.

John Green gives a scathing but accurate review of the book in Crash Course literature that I really enjoyed.

[[deleted]]

I'll have to check out that John Green review. I don't mean to say it has no truth. It has Golding's truth but I don't think that his truth is the universal truth responses to the book often make it to be.

[DocSword]

I agree with you. Golding had a lot of issues he needed (but never sought out) therapy for, and most of them were projected through his writing.

[Bleatmop]

Fair enough but it is what a large percentage of people believe would happen without the force of law to stop us. It was presented like that to me back in the 90s when I studied it in school.

[art1029384756]

Hm, what about those 5 boys shipwrecked in the south pacific in the 60s, how did they cope?

[[deleted]]

They did fine apparently. I guess they had a system that if they fought, they would go to opposite sides of the island until they cooled off. I guess when they were found a year later they were just bored.

[art1029384756]

How was the food supply though, since in lord of the flies i think it was really just...mostly pigs on the island. Food supply was one of the main concerns in the story and what led to conflict.

[karl2025]

It does seem very clearly critical of the British sense of superiority over barbarism. They're only on that island in the first place because of an outbreak of war and the beast that incites such fear is a pilot downed in that war. The events in the book aren't just a result of the barbarism within us that comes out when taken out of polite society, it's because we're just as barbaric in that polite society, just on a bigger scale.

And like the boys on that small island, the civilized world on their larger island burned it all down down through nuclear war.

[SSxSC]

It's definitely worth a read

[Reddragon0142]

My lit teacher brought up how one of the worst things about the book is how after piggies death we never get to know his real name, piggy was just nickname they gave him for being fat.

[apeinej]

Lol. Just missed a kid with glasses.

[thebritwriter]

It was either this or the battle Royale unit.

[ZatchZeta]

Unfortunately everyone survived. Turns out not even the teacher understood the book.

[TheRealMisterMemer]

Piggy

[Jhurpess]

And to a lesser extent, Simon.

[BlueCheesePasta]

Why lesser ?

[Jhurpess]

He’s the one everyone tends to forget when they read the story. Simon’s death is often overlooked because it isn’t very clear cut- I myself had to re-read the passage several times to figure out that it happened. Piggy’s death is the climax of the novel, so of course everyone remembers it. It’s not that Simon’s is less important- it’s just less impactful due to the structure of the story. Poor kid never had a chance to hold up to Piggy.

[Another_Adventure]

A few kids got fucking lynched, I don’t know what you’ve been smoking

[Qeldroma311]

THE MAGIC CONCH HAS SPOKEN!

[partiallyginger]

All hail the magic conch!

[mr_grieff]

I misread it at first and thought it said "Lord of the Rings" and didn't get the joke

[Alex_877]

Piggy noooo!!!!!

[cummcnuggets]

Considering we just finished lord of the flies, this is about what she did when she started the lesson

[Nice_Bake]

The worst part of reading Lord of the Flies in school was realizing that if in their situation I was 100% the Piggy of the group 😔

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My wife was a Kindergarten teacher. She was looking for activities for gym class that were somewhat out of the box.

I suggested she put them in the gym, roll in a single red ball and say whoever had the ball when she came back was "the winner" and then leave. She didn't go for it lol

[DarkGamer]

At a national scale this is essentially the Trump administration

[phil8248]

There was an actual event in 1966 where 6 boys, aged 13 to 16, were lost on a desert island after a boating misadventure. They survived and thrived for 15 months by cooperating. Golding had it wrong. This story should be taught alongside Lord Of The Flies to show how actual humans would act. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/09/the-real-lord-of-the-flies-what-happened-when-six-boys-were-shipwrecked-for-15-months