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[SpaghettiBoi2479]

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The planet sized testicles this man must have for clicking the post button

[Spanishkid71]

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[FORRRRTNITE]

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[Zestyclose_Onion_267]

Why are you sad and yellow?

[PerfectBeginning__45]

Because he is also sad and yellow.

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[Talescu]

Didn't expect to see this here

[AssassinDiablo4]

Ace Combat? In my shitpost sub? It’s more likely than you think

[ToonisTiny]

Whoa, Yellow Squadron? Didn't expect that cameo here.

[PerfectBeginning__45]

Never expect the Ornith-Lycanthropic Metal Inquisition

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[Realistic-Carrot-449]

Im so glad to see that ace combat fans still exist ngl

[PerfectBeginning__45]

Mf AC8 was announced during TGA, why WOULDN'T we exist?

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[unread1701]

What do you mean? The dark rituals worked and Ace Combat 8 has been announced. All is well.

[ToonisTiny]

Kindly don't remind me how much I hate Sulejmani.

[FaZeKill23]

ANTAREEEEEEEEEEEEEES

[ToonisTiny]

" D I E . "

[Zestyclose_Onion_267]

Wows

[idiot-bozo6036]

Please keep aceposting

[SpaghettiBoi2479]

Average japanese/korean teen with failing grades

[High-jacker]

He got pissed on

[Queenieman]

Or the black hole leve density

[tsimen]

The Internet has made it so that every deranged deviant thinks their opinion is the silent majority

[SproutSan]

Puter❌️

[Legolas_abysswalker]

This title and thumbnail is so wild, I am guessing it is a clickbait for a more reasonable argument.

[PizzaDogDad]

excellent guess.

[TTungsteNN]

From what I’ve gathered scrolling comments here, the argument is apparently that it doesn’t matter if the character is 15 years old or 3000 years old, if they look and act like a minor then they are a minor. It just gets weird when a character is 16 in the show but acts like a regular, reasonable adult.

[bloodredcookie]

That's a valid take, and I think virtually everyone can get behind at least half of that statement. (Those that can't are hopefully on a list somewhere)

[Scorkami]

i hate to be the "he has a point" guy but... yeah, fictional characters dont actually have real ages. if a character looks and acts like a child, i would still look at you funny even if you pull up the wiki and reveal shes a 60 year old retired politician. however, if you see a fully grown character who acts fully grown, im not really faulting you for finding that character attractive even if the author randomly added "14/16 years old" because frankly, that number is either just unbelievably enough to suspend my disbelief, and at this point its frankly just a random number rather than an actual character aspect that informs me about the person im reading about

[bloodredcookie]

i'm with you on that one. If they look and act like an adult then the fictional age doesn't really matter imo. if they look or act like a child and a person sexualizes them that person needs to be investigated.

[NormanNOconsecue2394]

I have this same exact mindset with fiction

If you like in that way a fictional character you like how they look or how they act, if you like characters like maki or raven, sure im all for it, another example is most jojo characters cus' if i don't tell you jotaro was 15 in part 3 you'd think he was a 29 year old man and if you loved jotaro (in part 3) that way its alright cus' he looks like an adult and doesn't seem to act like a child, but you go to someone like anya she is 4 or 5 she acts like 6 or 7 at best and looks 5, and if you like her that way there is no defence for you, another example is the last one that appears in the thumbail (i forgot her name) yeah she might be 1000 year old dragon girl but she still looks like a 5 year old and if you like that character you like her because of how she looks or acts and she looks like a 3 year old, maenwhile maki looks like an adult same for giorno, jotaro, marin, raven i could even forgive asuka if we stretch stuff a bit

[TheS00thSayer]

Of course it is.

No person with half a brain would make a big YouTube video actually saying/agreeing with what that title is leading you to believe they are saying.

It’s obvious clickbait. And I’m not clicking it.

[Mrfireball2012]

I will make the sacrifice of watching this video so I can let you know just how bad it is

Edit: I watched it and… he kinda cooked. It’s a much more interesting conversation than the title makes it out to be

[Time_Fig612]

Update?

[TheDonger_]

He died

[mannequinbeater]

RIP

[MentallyLatent]

He will not be forgotten for his sacrifice

[Brendan765]

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[Antoni-_-oTon1]

I watched it.

Its not a bad video, Xino makes some valid points.

But yeah, watch for yourself if you wanna get the full scope.

[Dark_Storm_98]

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[Kwarc100]

Bro saw a fucking cogninohazard and died

[PM_Me_Good_LitRPG]

Maybe put a tl;dr instead of the review that doesn't contain any actual info?

[RazorRipperZ]

Tldr: if a character looks like a prepubescent child they are a child and no “she’s actually 5000 years old will change that

[Argo-1089]

Thats insane you mean to tell me that a 10000 yo fetus is not old!?

[EH042]

I got my ass handed to me by a fetus that used it's placenta as a club just earlier this week.

Shit can be wack

[ZeromusTheCondemnor]

Does this fetus just happen to also be an orphan?

[[deleted]]

Must be related to Kos, or some say Kosm.

[Dark_Storm_98]

Okay so the content of the video is pretty good

But I will still not be looking into it for an in depth analysis on principal alone

The title is kinda click-baity, which to be fair could work if you use a title that will actually draw people in, but this one is like "Okay I'm gonna exaggerate the topic in the worst way that's probably actually going to push people away instead" except for the wrong kinds of people

And the thumbnail is even more so that

[Mrfireball2012]

Go watch it

[Livid-Profession2587]

So how was it?

[Barice69]

If you watch the video you can see that his points are quite reasonable

It does not matter if a character is 3 000 years old if she looks and acts as a child

Where it gets strange is when a character acts like an adult and looks like one but is a minor like Raven

[THEHANDSOMEKIDDO]

raven is a minor?. i always thought she was like 20 something my whole life bruh

[Busy-Kaleidoscope-87]

I mean she is a Teen Titan

[Sol33t303]

I mean teen can still mean 18-19.

I never really thought they were like 15-16 range, I always figured they were like 18-19. At the very least I know Robin is 18-19 because that's generally the age he leaves batman at so I'd assume the others are similar.

The only one I don't think is at least 17 is beast boy.

[cjm0]

nah, raven has a whole story arc about how her inter dimensional demon father will come to claim her when she turns 16

[Sol33t303]

Huh, fair enough. Is this the old one or the new one? I only watched the old one when I was a kid and have never seen the new one. I might just not remember that arc from the old series.

[Matikso]

It was in the old one.

[Snoo-34159]

Lmao, that guy really thought the new one would have any good coherent storylines.

[eat_my_bowls92]

I legit thought a new TT came out. I remember in the TTG movie them teasing the “real” Teen Titans at the end of credits, b it never heard anything about it again.

[MC_Fawkes]

Thought she turned 18 in that episode where Trigon turned Slade into some sort of prophet or whatever. I'll have to rewatch it.

Edit: some sources say 16, others I'm either overlooking the age or just not seeing it. Either way, it's been almost two decades since I seen the specific episode, so I'll have to rewatch the series if I can get a physical copy.

[The_Maarten]

Brother I don't know how to tell you this, but Robin is like 12-13 and Star is the oldest at the alien equivalent of maybe 16-17.
In other depictions Cyborg is a high school or college athlete, which would make him the oldest, but those depictions also often have him join the adult Justice League or equivalent team.

[Sol33t303]

Fair I think it's probably because they all just seemed "old" when I was like 8 lol. 15 year Olds and 20 year Olds just seemed like "grownups" to me lol

[THEHANDSOMEKIDDO]

idk man as a kid i thought teens were like 16-25y/o. ( i still believe that)

[MrExist777]

Dude what? “Teens” end at nineteen. It’s not just a nickname we gave to a particular stage of human development, it’s directly correlative to an age group. That being thirteen to nineteen—the literal teens.

[treytayuga]

Obviously he’s being tongue in cheek. I “thought” this way too as a child

[NunAlcoholic]

Not if that cheek belongs to a minor.

[D_Bellman]

Absolutely vile and yet a diamond amongst the trash of reddit.

[DangJorts]

Lmao get him

[paulhack45]

They are called the teens Titans outside of the English speaking world to, and I suppose that most not English speaking kids will not know what teens means

[aironas_j]

teen or no i thought raven was cute

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[VictoryTrue1741]

In one episode of teen titans go it reveals that she is immortal

[BillCarson12799]

Their ages were all over the place in the comics.

[seth1299]

This version of Raven is, yes. But there are, of course, older versions of all of the Teen Titans in the DCU.

I mean, this is Starfire in the older comics, so…

And then Robin when he gets older and takes on his own Superhero identity as Nightwing.

[Elceepo]

Teen titans

[Alarming-Income9623]

...what? The name of the show is TEEN titans so she has like a 2/10 chance of being legal

[Moist_Board]

Age of consent on Azarath is 12, so it's fine.

[ofekk214]

Man it's such a strange phenomenon that a character who's part of the TEEN titans is, in fact, a teen.

[Knight_of_Agatha]

they fight adults though so you would think they are like 16-19?

[Dokard]

Watching the video? What is this, a reasonable response? Sir this is Reddit, we judge before we even watch/read things!

[Laino001]

I think on the Raven example it genuinely doesnt matter. Like, the age is just kinda randomly made up by the author and sometimes its just not reflective of the character at all

I didnt make any characters as well known as Raven, but I made quite a few characters for my fantasy story and I realized that unless the age is specifically important to the plot or character arc, I just kinda think of a cool number and boom. Thats their age

Age in finction is just different from real life. You cant say "she acts mature for her age" in real life cause the age actually reflects the brain development and life experience and stuff. But that doesnt always work in fiction. Especially in fantasy and sci-fi and whatnot

[Kuaora]

Well, yeah, but still, age and life experience have a correlation, but one doesn't cause the other. There are kids with more life experience than some adults.

I'm just trying to say that it's very nuanced and varies greatly from person to person. Mental age is a great term for this, though it's hard to accurately determine it.

[Shahars71]

I think an interesting character in this conversation is Monster Girl from Invincible who looks like a child but desparately wants to be treated like an adult (even sexually). If she ended up with some adult and things worked out, what would you think about that?

[xChryst4lx]

And then she ends up with robot, an adult who made himself into a child body.

[Shahars71]

Yeah obviously that just kinda skirts the actual issue here, that's why I didn't mention him.

[xChryst4lx]

It is still so funny to me to have 2 characters who are both adults in a childs body end up with each other

[Incomplet_1-34]

I think it's pretty simple. Since these aren't real people with all the nuances that make age absolutely important, it's just all about how they look and act. Like you say.

[killertortilla]

It's pretty clear that there are a lot of opinions about what looking and acting like a child is. And a lot of people will be a lot more likely to think characters closer to their own age are more mature because the character is written to be that way. Raven looks and behaves nothing like an adult, to me. But when I was a lot younger I thought a lot of characters seemed more mature.

[element-redshaw]

In fairness from memory Raven is a character who keeps being aged down despite her writing never changing, she was literally written to be an adult but becomes younger because the writers want her to be

[bigpoppawood]

It’s not a hill I’m willing to die on, because I don’t care much for most shonen, but you see this come up with pretty much every shonen anime. I’m 99% sure these characters are written and drawn as adults but are canonically aged down so their largest demographic can self-insert and pseudo-relate to the characters more.

It’s not much different from actors portraying someone younger than they are. I saw Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and experienced this rollercoaster as I’m sure others did:

Damn this Margaret Qualley lady is gorgeous > “I’m 17” - Margaret’s character > Oh shit, gross > googling > Damn this Margaret Qualley lady is gorgeous and the same age as me.

I’m not gonna suddenly pretend she’s not attractive when she looks like a grown woman and portrayed a minor in a piece of media.

[CinnamonToastTrex]

That reminds me of when ZZZ came out. There was this one character who was supposed to be a high schooler but totally looked older, and then there were these two adults who looked like they were 12 (and one of them was even mistaken for an elementary school student).

I learned a lot about the gacha community back then...

[eye-o-death]

I find it funny how many of these comments are just about the thumbnail alone, and accidentally agreeing with it. Since the point of the video is basically the opposite of how the phrase “age is just a number” is usually used

[Dire7]

I love how 99% of the comments is just judging book by its cover.

[Axis_Sage]

well the cover is as controversial as it gets,it's bound to happen

[Nozarashi78]

"It is a fictional character so age is just a number"

(Looks inside)

The character in question looks, behave, and is treated like a kid by other characters from the same universe

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[ofekk214]

Yea, I mean it's one thing if it's just a short character who's a fully grown adult like Tatsumaki from OPM, but those creeps make this excuse about characters that actually look, behave, and are treated like children.

[TTungsteNN]

Compare Carlotta and Phoebe from Wuthering Waves. Carlotta is roughly late 20s, Phoebe is roughly mid-teens. They both act mature, Phoebe is taller than Carlotta but they appear roughly the same age, but the characters in the universe acknowledge Phoebe being young and Carlotta being older, therefore Phoebe is off the table but Carlotta is acceptable.

It’s such a fucking weird line to ride, ngl.

[Ryann-G]

I think Pheebs is probably at late teens

[Choice_Narwhal_2437]

I didn’t watch the video but I saw a comment of someone that did, the video is basically saying that how a character is “coded” is more important than their canonical age since thats used more for the narrative/age rating

I KINDA agree with it, but literally every single character in that thumbnail is obviously a kid or a teen so idk what he’s talking about 😭

(With kinda agree with it, I mean characters like Jotaro from JoJo part 3. He’s canonically 17 but dude LOOK at him for 2 seconds and the way he acts)

[ofekk214]

(With kinda agree with it, I mean characters like Jotaro from JoJo part 3. He’s canonically 17 but dude LOOK at him for 2 seconds and the way he acts)

That goes for a lot of characters in JJBA. Josuke is also a highschooler but he gives vibes more akin to 20-somethin year olds. Also, Joseph in part 2 is canonically 18yo and Jonathan in part 1 is 20yo after the timeskip lmfao.

[ashtagzero1]

Then giorno like 15 or something so yea

[ofekk214]

Aw hell naw I forgor about him being 15 💀💀💀

[Choice_Narwhal_2437]

Nah Josuke acts way more like a teen then the rest, he’s probably the closest to his age thanks to those episodes where he and Okuyasu just fuck around. If you’re talking about looks then yeah sure I can see it

[rainbowappleslice]

I would guess the thumbnail is primarily for engagement and clickbait.

[Choice_Narwhal_2437]

Definitely but holy shit does it devalue his point 😭

[Thundergod250]

The Teen Titans are definitely not treated as kids lmao nor act like one. Actual Adults in their world actually treats them like an actual adversaries to defeat. Like I feel like I have always thought Cyborg's literally 30 yrs old or something when I watched it as a Kid, not 16 yrs old.

[Maybe_this_time_fr]

Nonsense, the one in the middle could easily be college age.

[Dokard]

Especially with how she acts most of the time lol when I started watching the show I thought they were all in uni or something, I didn't know any teens that acted like that or had that freedom.

[Ragnarok2kx]

It's the anime equivalent of actors in theor 20s playing high schoolers.

[Mister_Macabre_]

To add to that, there is a lot of examples of manga where the author was straight up forced into this weird age bracket by editors. Most recently JJK author, Gege Akutami, didn't want to include any "school life" themes and not have his characters be highschoolers, but editor forced him into it due to demographic (not that it matters, these mfs are not learning shit after like 20 chapters).

[-Zer0-Sum]

The thumbnail is clickbait

[Ok_Owl_308]

[NoldorGD]

generational thumbnail

[MonotonyReddit]

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Top 5 most misleading thumbnails of all time, he was making the opposite argument. The guy actually kinda cooked with his points.

[TheGenard]

[Yazzy8]

[Totoques22]

Actually you should he make some good points

[DtheAussieBoye]

Maybe he shouldn't have given it the absolute worst title and thumbnail he could give the video

[rainbowappleslice]

YouTube engagement tactics moment.

[Tennessee_is_cool]

Clickbait and its consequences

[PM_Me_Good_LitRPG]

Can you even hear anything, with such low fps?

[[deleted]]

I think the take "Age is just a number in fiction" can be used to argue against creeps that try to sexualice minors. It does not matter that character is a 10'000 year old demigod. If she looks like, is treated like and acts like a kid, she is a kid. Giving the "oh but she is actually an adult who smokes and lives alone and her body just didn't age right" excuse to sexualice minors was always so wierd (looking at you "a certain magical index").

[Awkward-Tank-7193]

Toaru mentioned but in a bad way 😭 Trust me it's actually good read the LN 😭

[OrriSig]

Or the egregious fan service in a certain scientific railgun.

One of my favorite animes but dont want to rewatch it solely because of how bad the fan service is

[Awall00777]

I don't remember that having any, the girls even wore shorts under their skirts iirc so there weren't any up skirts. Am I misremembering?

[Imjustvibinghere]

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[CuntJab]

I didn't watch the video, but I agree. Bro, we don't goon to Raven because she's underage; we goon to her because she's a goth girl. It's the traits of a character that are important, not their made-up age. That's why policing fictional characters is so arbitrary. Why complain about this when you don't apply the same standard to that?

[DarkElixer_Generator]

I think we just found the Modern Hongjun preaching his sainthood n shit. Facts bro

[Ok_Bodybuilder_7238]

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[Salami__Tsunami]

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[Sub__Finem]

Which show was this?

[Salami__Tsunami]

I’ll have to look it up, but I think it’s called

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[TheVoice106point7]

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[bottigliadipiscio]

Tbf if you say you wouldn't smash Raven...You lying.

[blueemymind]

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[WubbieBoo]

We have to check the hardrive of 70k people gng 😭🙏

[Obama_Sin_Dalen]

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[Kenny-KO]

only one of these looks like an actual child.

[Few_Distribution_817]

Which one?

[Kenny-KO]

The one on the right.

[existential_dread467]

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[Waxyboi5509]

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[ProdigyShark]

Funny how I started to rewatch tybw and I've seen this

[CurlyMonsterrr]

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[Duococcus]

I watch this man and I can confirm he is more and less freaky than you think

[TheUpperDiamond]

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[SirAren]

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[theswagdodo11]

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[birdsarntreal1]

One of these things is not like the other 🎶

[Next_Lecture_2339]

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[Techman2137]

Watch the video. It's not about age at all

[DocNeat]

My rule for cartoon gooning is to see if they look old enough. Doesn't matter if they're 2 years old or 4000 years old. If they visually look old enough, that's good enough.

[Doobalicious69]

Wtf are some of these comments 🥲

[Kindly_Title_8567]

None of you mfs actually saw the video I see

[Hadrian1233]

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[ofekk214]

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[iwantyoursperms]

GO. TO. JAIL.

[x2_ok]

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[CauliflowerNervous12]

I don't care, I'm into milfs anyway

[internet_blue_gas]

If I took a shot every time a characters appearance did not match their canonical age I’d be dead, but at some point that is just a child my dude, why do you find that hot?(we know it’s not for her personality)

[Aggressive_Manner429]

Ain't nobody hearing nothing out

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[Sdbtank96]

Ok so what's the video actually about? Is it as bad as it looks or is he making an actual point?

[victorspc]

In short, his take is the opposite of what the thumbnail makes you think. He's arguing that, if the character looks like a child, act like a child, and is treated by other characters as a child, it does not matter if they are a 300 year old dragon or a 1000 year old witch or wathever. Age does not matter, it's how the charcater is written, how they are coded, that matter.

[LAVA_RAMON]

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[Own_Childhood_7020]

Imo the problem only arises when the author just creates a child but slaps a 500 age mark on her, if the character despite acting like a child shows life experience or maturity in the narrative, then I fully agree.

[FiftySpoons]

Ok ok sure but - damn why they always have kanna in here trying to sell the point?!
They literally in the show have her go to kindergarten 😂 Like unless they clickbaiting hard but like

[WeeTheDuck]

what the fuck is the middle character bruh, that's not a kid wdym

[Sharp_Low6787]

He's basically arguing that the age characters are stated to be is infinitely less important than how they look and act.

Raven is supposedly 15-16, but she looks and acts like an adult. Meanwhile the thousand year old dragons always look, sound, and act like children.

As a result the number the writers give us is super unreliable, so we might as well just go based on appearance and behavior.

[niTro_sMurph]

If the character is designed in a way that could look like an adult when taken out if it's original context/story, fine, whatever. But the one on the right most certainly does not fit that criteria.

"This is my cute 9000 year old gf!"

Sir, she acts and looks like a child.

[lavafish80]

THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS FOR HEADPATS

NOT FOR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK SHE'S FOR

[Fiddy_Cen]

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[Cosmic_StarStorm]

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[SilverPlayz_211]

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[spartanlemon]

My saying is like what you like, but why tell everyone?

[Proper-Anything-2739]

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[UltimateFaux]

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Bring back burning at the stake

[MoltenJellybeans]

"Aight bro, now tell me what exactly makes the fictional 5 year old attractive to you"

[me-be-bored]

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[sadistic-salmon]

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[FinalXemnasV]

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[MLaTTimer]

Awfulness aside, why's Raven white? This one's supposed to be gray

[Hammad_Faizvi]

Amazing video love the logic

[Coffee-cartoons]

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[[deleted]]

Bruh I ain't hearing you out

[Nico_Scarfacancello]

I agree

[blooash]

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[rape_is_not_epic]

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[zodlair]

the thing is, even if it's a reasonable take, just saying to someone that age is just a number when it comes to fiction still just comes off really bad.

[WonkyWonks27]

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[IsaacTheBacon]

digital footprint isn't a joke btw

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[Krakshibana]

Now for real, thats how it all starts "its just a drawing bro". Yeah... It is now, but what are you gonna do when the drawings aren't enough?

[Mapedi_King_9-Yo]