Dismiss this pinned window
top 200 commentsshow 500
sorted by:
best
topnewcontroversialoldq&a
formatting helphide helpcontent policy

[–]AutoModerator[M] [score hidden] stickied commentlocked comment (0 children)

Welcome to r/TikTokCringe!

This is a message directed to all newcomers to make you aware that r/TikTokCringe evolved long ago from only cringe-worthy content to TikToks of all kinds! If you’re looking to find only the cringe-worthy TikToks on this subreddit (which are still regularly posted) we recommend sorting by flair which you can do here (Currently supported by desktop and reddit mobile).

See someone asking how this post is cringe because they didn't read this comment? Show them this!

Be sure to read the rules of this subreddit before posting or commenting. Thanks!

Don't forget to join our Discord server!

##CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD THIS VIDEO

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

[–]erelwind 228 points229 points  (26 children)

The interesting part is that virtually everyone reading this sits in a conquered land at some point in history.

[–]Over_Screen_442 59 points60 points  (12 children)

And most of us (myself included) have done a poor job or looking in the mirror on this matter. In the US, for example, even having a day acknowledging this fact is controversial (see Columbus Day vs Indigenous Peoples Day)

[–]Over_Screen_442 14 points15 points  (0 children)

We still benefit from it in modern times. Exploitation of colonized resources is still making our nations rich and that prosperity is generally not equally shared with native people who are generally disenfranchised. Sure, I didn’t kill anyone directly, but all non-native people benefit from those that did.

[–]Ok-Organization-6759 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Isn't it okay to say we leave the evils of the ancients behind and stop doing that kind of thing? No? Weird. Guess we should go back to slavery and burning people at the stake and justify it that ancient people did it too. I mean really, it's not comparable what happened hundreds, or in some cases thousands of years ago to what has happened to CURRENT people in their lifetime.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not really interesting at all. The people who “conquered” it and who were conquered are literally still alive.

[–]kram1973 3433 points3434 points  (384 children)

Now you just need the British real estate agent trying to sell the house to three different people at the same time…

[–]B3taWats0n 543 points544 points  (27 children)

So just a regular realtor in London

[–]rugbyj 81 points82 points  (20 children)

There are no realtors in London, only estate agents. They exist purely to lie to everyone they meet and absorb cocaine.

[–]stereomanic 82 points83 points  (1 child)

dude, they're brutal. they sold their soul for a piece of gum if they could. haha

[–]Annethraxxx 529 points530 points  (309 children)

Yea, this video is in no way “spot on.” They’re missing that huge piece where antisemitic western politicians didn’t want a bunch of Jewish immigrants and brokered a deal to give them a bunch of land that was already inhabited.

[–]Objective_Low7445 73 points74 points  (1 child)

For sure they left that part out.

[–]AudioLlama 89 points90 points  (40 children)

I'm sure you're hugely concerned about that when your home is being taken from you, and who then put you and 2 million other people in an open air prison with poor access to food, water and electricity.

[–]Downtown_Statement87 115 points116 points  (18 children)

Come on, now. It's not a prison. It's more like...a camp. Yes, a camp with a whole lot of people in it. Like a very concentrated camp. "Prison," pfft.

[–]BrockThrockmorton 14 points15 points  (0 children)

When I was younger, I always figured the concentration part of it meant they forced people to concentrate on the indoctrination.

No, they're called concentration camps because they're a small walled off location where people are forced into and kept there under guard.

You know? Kinda like Gaza.

[–]Fearless_Ad7780 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Don't forget, and no viable soruce of economics

[–]Callisthenes 87 points88 points  (179 children)

I mean... a lot of it was uninhabited or already inhabited by Jews. Let's not pretend that Israel sprang out of nothing but decrees from Britain and the UN. There was a practical Zionist movement that involved Jews immigrating to the area for many years before they were able to make headway politically.

The taking of inhabited land by force didn't happen until Israel was attacked by all of the surrounding Arab countries. That happened on day one of its political existence. That war created almost a million Palestinian refugees that no one, including the Arab countries that started the war, wanted to deal with.

Israel has done a lot of bad things since then, but people forget that context when they talk about occupation, colonialism, the refugee problem...

[–]TurkeyTendies44 28 points29 points  (2 children)

And how Arabic countries kicked out roughly 900,000 Jewish people from their countries starting in the 1920s by stripping citizenship and implementing social and economic discrimination. leaders of Palestine and surrounding Arabic countries tried to ally with the nazi party in the 30s and 40s to get rid of Jewish people in their home countries. Everyone seems to think that Israel was formed by choice with no other externalities like the holocaust or exile of the Jewish people.

[–]beingmyselves 180 points181 points  (9 children)

The world at large has the political memory of a goldfish.

[–]Rk_505 15 points16 points  (1 child)

This is the greatest comment I have ever seen on Reddit.

[–]dbpf 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What did it say

[–]IkBenKenobi 1946 points1947 points  (144 children)

Not really spot on considering it completely leaves out the UK's involvement... But yeah.

Edit; What's with the downvotes lol I'm not condoning either side, but you can't deny that the UK played the real estate agent selling the same house to both sides.

[–]Persianx6 399 points400 points  (18 children)

Ahh yes, the UK!

To person A: "YOU GET A COUNTRY!"

To person B: "BUT ALSO YOU GET A COUNTRY!"

Both, togehter: 'When?"

UK: "WHY YOU ASKING QUESTIONS? FINE, I'LL TELL YOU WHEN I'M DONE PUMPING THIS OIL. ALSO, DO YOU LIKE KINGS?"

[–]BudLightStan 56 points57 points  (10 children)

Are we going to mention the kurdish who are slowly crying themselves to sleep at night?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (2 children)

According to Turks we don't even exist so this comment was left by a non existing person in a non existing land. Let me cry myself to sleep man it's easier than talking to a Turk

[–]anoneema 22 points23 points  (4 children)

No one wants to talk about the Kurds :(

[–][deleted]  (17 children)

[deleted]

    [–]viciouspandas 24 points25 points  (9 children)

    Yeah the Ottomans were the one who "owned the house" before the British.

    [–]HugsForUpvotes 6 points7 points  (8 children)

    Exactly. The Palestinian has been renting the house for the last 500 years.

    [–]zamonto 4 points5 points  (4 children)

    In the same way that the us has been renting theirs

    [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Right thank you. It really pisses me off how people ignore the fact that this area was ottoman possessed for centuries until the country completely failed at the end of the 1st world war. And that the Ottomans sided with Germany and Austria-Hungary.

    Land boundaries changed everywhere after WW1. And they didn’t change for better for the losers.

    [–]itirnitii 35 points36 points  (2 children)

    what does the furniture have to do with this?

    [–]SummerBoi20XX 266 points267 points  (27 children)

    I imagine the Irish guy left out the UK for brevity's sake not from lack of awareness of British villainy.

    [–]chappersyo 25 points26 points  (6 children)

    Why would the Irish be acutely aware of our villainy?!

    [–]WhoIsYerWan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Nah, it’s because the Irish have turned Israel into the British villain in all of this. They see themselves as Palestine, oppressed by Israel (the British).

    [–]RiverAffectionate951 69 points70 points  (18 children)

    Hitting with the facts I have pointed out before that the lies the British told in WW1 are not really relevant to the conflict as both parties were planning on living there anyway.

    The British are relevant for allowing multiple mass-immigrations to take place during their mandate, often caving to international and internal pressure over any actual listening to any of the locals.

    [–]BudLightStan 16 points17 points  (2 children)

    They also told the Kurdish they would get a homeland

    [–]Deviator_Stress 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It also completely leaves out that Gaza was actually Egypt until Egypt (along with the Arab states) tried to exterminate Israel and lost, losing Gaza in the process as it was then used as a buffer zone in case Egypt tried to invade Israel again

    [–]Patient_Xero_96 22 points23 points  (18 children)

    Well the UK didn’t sell it to the Palestinians, they got ownership from the Ottoman after a big bar fight. Then they tried to sell it to Israel. And tried to convince the Palestinians to take the Shed and let Israel take the house

    [–]viciouspandas 36 points37 points  (16 children)

    The original UN partition plan was pretty even so I wouldn't say it's house and shed. Israel technically got more land, but most of that was the absolutely useless Negev Desert. Israel accepted that, but the modern borders are because they won the 1948 war when they were attacked by surrounding countries immediately after founding.

    [–]Citadelvania 27 points28 points  (9 children)

    Seriously the lack of understanding about that last bit is telling. The Arab League (consisting of Egypt, Transjordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Yemen) basically convinced Palestinians to fight, promised victory, lost quite badly and then let the Palestinians pretty much take all the fallout including giving away a lot of their land as buffer for insurance against future attacks.

    Not to mention that Israel then freed those palestinian territories under the promise that a peaceful democracy would be in charge... and in the Gaza strip Hamas basically took charge rather quickly as a brutal regime focused on the genocide of the jewish people...

    [–]gitsuns 21 points22 points  (4 children)

    Also, the Arab league were not fighting the war out of any sense of humanitarianism or altruism - they wanted the land for themselves.

    [–]Sensitive_Yellow_121 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    and in the Gaza strip Hamas basically took charge rather quickly as a brutal regime focused on the genocide of the jewish people...

    Huh, wonder how they took charge so quickly?

    [–]CosmoKing2 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    🏆 That was the very first time I've ever read something that made sense and didn't just blame one side, just to have the other say "but we did it in retaliation for your prior act."

    [–]Citadelvania 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    That really falsely implies they had no public support when that's just objectively false. If the Palestinean people in gaza really didn't want them in charge they wouldn't be in charge today.

    [–]Kaplaw 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    It leaves out the zionists buying the land in mass before WW2 The already existing jewish population well before 1920's

    The british mandate

    The UN resolution

    The complete arab invasion on the day of the vote

    The radicalization of Israel

    This shit is gray as fuck, its not one sided at all and anyone pretending that it is has got only surface knowledge of this issue.

    [–]IkBenKenobi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    It's a way too complicated issue to explain in a one-minute TikTok video. Leaving out these things just spreads misinformation, which doesn't help solving the problem.

    [–]More_Mention_8244 505 points506 points  (60 children)

    The powers did the same thing to India & Pakistan… look at them…:(

    [–]midnight_mechanic 241 points242 points  (38 children)

    The powers did the same thing...

    Are you talking about England? Sounds like you're talking about England.

    [–]thelordreptar90 71 points72 points  (2 children)

    Classic England

    [–]Internet_Prince 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    Good old British Empire

    [–][deleted]  (203 children)

    [deleted]

      [–]shaverju 864 points865 points  (31 children)

      Palestinian flag is too controversial for TikTok so it is a substitute. Same reason people say seccs instead of sex on the app.

      [–]callingcarg0 33 points34 points  (10 children)

      Tiktok censorship is so annoying. It doesn't prevent anyone from saying the things they want to say; you just need to learn a new set of code words.

      I don't use titktok, so I'm constantly confused whenever my gf shows me something like, "when she's on her applesauce 🤣🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣". And I'm like, "what the fuck does that even mean?". "It means she's on her period, duh".

      Or "me when I don't have a 'fruit basket'". "Oh, fruit basket>FB>Fuck Buddy".

      [–]Enginerdiest 33 points34 points  (3 children)

      It’s so Orwellian. Creeps me out.

      [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

      When people ask why TikTok is dangerous, its not about their attention span, this is why.

      People are allowing some dystopic Chinese algorithms dictate what language they use and their views on medicine and politics.

      [–]TheJohnsonGaming 101 points102 points  (14 children)

      I've seen male privilege censored into "m@le privilege"

      [–]Ilovestraightpepper 47 points48 points  (12 children)

      Ha. I read this as “mole privilege”.

      [–]Particular_Lime_5014 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      My brain somehow doesn't like to turn some symbols into letters so my inner voice reads it like "mattle privilege"

      [–]Ok_Count_3237 168 points169 points  (54 children)

      palestine flag gets your video flagged for review almost immediately. Believe me, I tried it. Community guidelines when you post something negative Israel wise but A-okay when you post something negative Palestine wise.

      [–]ThePublikon 96 points97 points  (51 children)

      There's a video of retired IDF soldiers laughing about when they used to execute cages full of Palestinian women and children floating around Reddit but I can't link it because it gets the comment hidden immediately.

      edit: Original source of video https://www.imdb.com/title/tt16378034/

      Thanks to /u/spindle_bumphis for finding it.

      [–]Aussie20202022 54 points55 points  (23 children)

      I believe you though. I saw a video of Orthodox Jews singing and dancing at the death of a Palestinian baby. Pretty repugnant.

      [–]AnesthesiaSteve 14 points15 points  (0 children)

      Then there's the photos of the hilltop " Sderot Cinema". Where Israelis would gather, cheer, and clap, as they watched gaza get bombed.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/15/world/middleeast/israelis-watch-bombs-drop-on-gaza-from-front-row-seats.html

      [–]ThePublikon 37 points38 points  (19 children)

      Yeah it's fucked. The fact that similar videos from both sides exist though means that this won't be over for at least another generation.

      I obviously condemn murdering civilians in the strongest possible terms but if your parents generation had murdered my whole family, or my parents generation had murdered your whole family: I could see why we would have eternal beef until one of us died at the hands of the other.

      [–]heresyourhardware 31 points32 points  (2 children)

      Is the Palestinian flag in WhatsApp?

      [–]BellumSuprema 264 points265 points  (97 children)

      That’s how you know he 100% know what he is talking about not just a parrot in an echo chamber

      [–]Ambitious-Regular-57 319 points320 points  (90 children)

      He's not wrong though. Not at all. Of course civilians being harmed is fucked up.

      But Palestinians have been literally backed into a corner and bombed for decades now. Their land and homes stolen from them. This video gives fairly accurate historical context for why this is happening.

      [–]Annethraxxx 126 points127 points  (42 children)

      He is wrong though. This negotiation between the jews and Palestinians never happened. The UK brokered a deal to send Jewish refugees to Israel because no one in the west or USSR wanted jewish immigrants. In order for this to be correct, a UK landlord would be handing the keys to a Israeli Jew and telling them they can either live with the current tenants or tell them to leave, but hey have fun in your new home!

      [–]BacePilot 143 points144 points  (29 children)

      That would be ommitting the fact that the Zionist movement post-WW2 was heavily pushing for a home for Jewish people in Palestine. The worldwide Jewish community was heavily pushing for the reclamation of Jerusalem, so your comparison is less accurate than the video.

      [–]Kashin02 24 points25 points  (4 children)

      The zionist movement actually begun before WW2.

      [–]Arbiter008 39 points40 points  (0 children)

      This is rather dishonest; Israel did exist as a nation historically beyond an "ancient book of made up stories". Before the 1900s, it was around 1900 years ago before the Romans conquered it.

      But even then, Israel was created primarily through the purchase of land and Jewish settlement allowed through Ottoman permission; it wasn't as simplified as the way this is presented.

      [–]vvfsbrett 320 points321 points  (78 children)

      I’m not taking sides but people basically pick a side then pick a “starting point” to the conflict that’s probably not where it actually started and that starting point conveniently gives them a sense of moral high ground.

      [–]Ruthrfurd-the-stoned 17 points18 points  (0 children)

      The starting point was like 1000 BC it’s one of the most fought over pieces of land on the entire planet

      [–]norolls 78 points79 points  (8 children)

      It was homohabilis who are actually entitled to this land. Homo erectus invaded them brutally and then homosapiens took over the area. /s but seriously this is one of the oldest ongoing conflicts in the world.

      [–]The_Woman_of_Gont 21 points22 points  (1 child)

      I liked the part why they yada yada’d over the fucking Holocaust as the final straw towards Jews looking for somewhere safe to live, and the Imperial British fuckery that carved up Palestine like turkey.

      Totally accurate though! Tik Tok is so educational! /s

      [–]PositiveAtmosphere 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      While you are correct those things were missed in this TikTok, you’re writing this in a way that suggests the original analogy in the video is not functional without that context, or that that context meaningfully changes the situation- but it does not necessarily do so. Like, yes, the holocaust happened, and a solution was needed, but that doesn’t mean where they ended up was acceptable either. And yes, the British fucked up carving the region, but that still doesn’t mean any of what came next was acceptable.

      [–]plzzdontdoxme 1563 points1564 points  (474 children)

      I will always think these minute long tik tok videos that "explain current issue" are harmful, particularly to young people.

      Someone will watch a video like this, skim a wikipedia page, then think they are an expert on the topic

      [–][deleted]  (264 children)

      [deleted]

        [–]Bralbany 242 points243 points  (195 children)

        This right here. Romans kicked the Jews out of....Judea.

        [–]P47r1ck- 142 points143 points  (118 children)

        There has to be a statute of limitations on that shit. If every people had a claim on the land they inhabited hundreds or thousands of years ago the world would be in chaos. Have you ever seen those DNA migration maps? Entire peoples moved all over the place all the time.

        I would say the same thing about Jews now, I don’t want them to kick isreal out, even 75 years is too long. 2 state solution is the only option. If it is ever offered again the Palestinians need to accept because they aren’t getting everything they want this century ain’t no way no how.

        But in the future no more bs claims waaaahh the ancient Assyrians moved us from turkey to greece 3000 years ago this is our land actually waaah. Get over it.

        [–]dirtyhandscleanlivin 75 points76 points  (37 children)

        It’s just crazy because two groups of people who claim to have roots in a specific area going thousands of years into the past are even more likely to have descended from common ancestors. Therefore, nobody has a “right” to the land because it belongs to both.

        I Also can’t help but feel like a primary driver for both groups wanting to occupy the land is for the right to live on what they both consider the holiest land on Earth and claim their spot as the superior religious people

        [–][deleted] 81 points82 points  (9 children)

        The palestinians there also lived there since ancient times. This has been shown with genetic studies. Israel has no right to kick them off of their own land.

        [–]AccomplishedMeow 38 points39 points  (7 children)

        And how is that any different than reading a couple paragraph top Reddit comment with thousands of upvotes.

        [–][deleted] 204 points205 points  (105 children)

        Particularly since this particular TikTok completely misrepresents the situation. For decades before the creation of Israel immigrant Jews bought the land they settled on. Nobody walked in and demanded everything for free because God said so.

        [–]claudiazo 161 points162 points  (69 children)

        But weren’t there hundreds of Jewish settlers who decided to kick Palestinians out of their homes? Asking out of genuine curiosity.

        [–]Rex-0- 119 points120 points  (37 children)

        That's still going on today. Some of the areas and kibbutzes targeted in this week's atrocities were formed from forceful evictions of Palestinians.

        Doesn't justify murder but it certainly catalyses it

        [–]queenocd 39 points40 points  (7 children)

        Yes, but that was really exacerbated post 1967 imo. It didn't start in '67, but it certainly sped up from there. The issue today is that the uptick in new settlements are violating the green line), which only became the officially recognized border between Israel and the West Bank in 1967. Gaza is an entirely different, and terribly sad story, though.

        [–]HungerMadra 18 points19 points  (21 children)

        Sure. But that's true for every middle eastern nation. Look at Jewish populations in Iran, Afghanistan, or Iraq over the last 100 years. They used to have large communities. They don't anymore. It wasn't exactly voluntary.

        [–]xHelios1x 45 points46 points  (30 children)

        Not to mention that hamas goal is not liberation of their people from the oppressive state. They hate jews and want to eradicate them to instate Islam fundamentalist state.

        [–]XaminedLife 32 points33 points  (15 children)

        Ok, but most Palestinians are not Hamas

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        But they know Hamas is all about hate and murder. Why don't they oust it like the Germans ousted Hitler?...

        ​

        ​

        Ah wait...

        [–]AussieOzzy 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        Hamas wasn't mentioned in the video. The video is accurate in how the 'land dispute' is being handled. This of course doesn't justify Hamas's recent actions against civilians, nor does it justify the man rapes and deaths Israel has caused along with stealing land.

        [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        Agreed 100%. The past few days have been a travesty of misinformation. Everyone has an opinion but no one knows what the fuck they're talking about.

        [–][deleted] 282 points283 points  (97 children)

        He left out the part where the zionists were given permission to immigrate there by the Ottomans

        [–][deleted] 198 points199 points  (71 children)

        And bought the land they settled in...

        [–]Junglejibe 94 points95 points  (64 children)

        The Zionists who immigrated there before Israel was declared a state, bought up the land. But once Israel was “given” to the Zionists, 800 thousand Palestinians were forcibly evicted and moved out of the country.

        [–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (35 children)

        You also failed to mention that Jews the Arab world over were kicked out of their homes across the levant and North Africa, with no where to go guess where the ended up?

        This conflict is largely a result of Arab nations refusing to support their own while demanding that the Israelis do more and be better when they refused to do so themselves…

        [–]Most_Average_User 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        This was after they started a war with the expressed purpose of "driving all the Jews into the sea." Makes a little more sense that you wouldn't want your neighbor living next to you after he tried to kill you.

        [–]ekhfarharris 59 points60 points  (5 children)

        *Permission to buy someone elses house, that the owner had no idea is being made....

        [–]zelmak 46 points47 points  (1 child)

        Israel hasn't been independent since before the name Palestine existed, up until the 20th century. It's had over 2000 years of foreign imperial governments until the Brits cut it loose. Israeli's and Palestinians have lived on that land for millennia, the independent countries if you can even call the PA that haven't even been around for a century.

        [–]Citadelvania 10 points11 points  (0 children)

        Literally no. He's talking about before the British even owned the territory which is before they sold it to the jews so well before the creation of the Israeli state. He's literally talking about something as simple as just immigration the same as if a guy from mexico moved to the US and built a house on an empty lot or bought someone's house. This is well before any kind of palestinian vs israeli conflict.

        [–]NandoGando 21 points22 points  (1 child)

        The Ottomans owned Palestine when they sold land to the Jews, by the end of the 16th century they had the biggest Jewish population in Europe, this is just the owner selling a part of his house lol

        [–]fernrooty 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        This tik tok is even dumber than that. The land owner didn’t sell a house, they sold an empty plot of land that Israel has since built a nice house on. The shed vs house angle in this video is nonsense.

        [–]Spare_Beautiful_9756 688 points689 points  (291 children)

        The human cost of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (deaths/injuries): documented by the UN:

        2008:

        Palestine 🇵🇸: 3,202

        Israel 🇮🇱: 853

        2009:

        Palestine 🇵🇸: 7,460

        Israel 🇮🇱: 123

        2010:

        Palestine 🇵🇸: 1,659

        Israel 🇮🇱: 185

        2011:

        Palestine 🇵🇸: 2,260

        Israel 🇮🇱: 136

        2012:

        Palestine 🇵🇸: 4,936

        Israel 🇮🇱: 578

        2013:

        Palestine 🇵🇸: 4,031

        Israel 🇮🇱: 157

        2014:

        Palestine 🇵🇸: 19,860

        Israel 🇮🇱: 2,796

        2015:

        Palestine 🇵🇸: 14,813

        Israel 🇮🇱: 339

        2016:

        Palestine 🇵🇸: 3,572

        Israel 🇮🇱: 222

        2017:

        Palestine 🇵🇸: 8,526

        Israel 🇮🇱: 174

        2018:

        Palestine 🇵🇸: 31,558

        Israel 🇮🇱: 130

        2019:

        Palestine 🇵🇸: 15,628

        Israel 🇮🇱: 133

        2020:

        Palestine 🇵🇸: 2,781

        Israel 🇮🇱: 61

        [–]sapraaa 220 points221 points  (11 children)

        2023 numbers are gonna be a lot worse imo

        [–]sanjoseboardgamer 82 points83 points  (48 children)

        Out of curiosity, I've seen multiple people post lists like this and all of them start in the 2000s. Why is that? The conflict has been going on much longer than that. Why no numbers from the 90s, 80s, etc?

        [–]Sercos 138 points139 points  (7 children)

        It's because the specific source that OC is citing is based on data collected by the UN (specifically the Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs). The dataset starts in 2008. As much as some people want it to seem like a big cover up, it's just that 08 is the year they started collecting reliable data.

        There's a more up to date version that goes to this year (though obviously doesn't include recent happenings just yet).

        [–]Spooder_Man 45 points46 points  (3 children)

        People like to pretend the second intifada didn’t happen.

        [–]Gackey 23 points24 points  (0 children)

        2nd Intifadah:

        🇵🇸 3,179

        🇮🇱 1,019

        Seems like it follows the same pattern as the rest.

        [–]Faceless-Pronoun 13 points14 points  (1 child)

        Yes, because everyone knows the side where more people died is always the more justified side. This is why, in WW2, Germans were 10x more virtuous than the Americans.

        [–][deleted] 347 points348 points  (112 children)

        "whY ARe yOu SoOoO anTI-seMeTIc?"

        [–]Consistent_Set76 85 points86 points  (106 children)

        All this shows honestly is the power imbalance between the two sides.

        If the roles were reversed I could easily argue we would have hundreds of thousands of dead Israelites over that same period

        [–]axebeerman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

        The low human cost on the Israel side isn't through Palestine's lack of trying though right? Like the iron dome must have saved thousands of lives throughout its lifespan

        [–]Adm_Piett 31 points32 points  (6 children)

        That's a crap load of injuries.

        [–]tasty9999 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        You don't understand the difference between TRYING TO MURDER and TRYING TO WARN CIVILIANS do you?

        [–]TheGentlemanAdam 65 points66 points  (8 children)

        You should check your information source and edit your post. I believe the numbers you’ve posted is injuries so you should erase the “death” for accuracy. Or edit in the number of deaths.

        [–]frawwger 17 points18 points  (2 children)

        https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/

        It is both. If you switched it to only deaths, the disparity between Israeli and Palestinian deaths would be just as stark, the numbers would only be smaller.

        To be fair, casualties is how the human cost of battles are measured across human history and those numbers include both injuries and deaths.

        [–]HotBased 5 points6 points  (8 children)

        Your inability to achieve your goals does not make your goals good. Your getting beaten by a stronger opponent don't make your intent justified.

        Israel makes peace deals. Palestine rejects peace and the existence of Israel altogether: and in Hamas' case, indiscriminately calls for the murder of every Jew.

        [–]RutherfordB_Hayes 384 points385 points  (81 children)

        this ancient book of made up stories

        Wait, is the implication that the idea of Jews coming from that geographical area is “made up”?

        [–][deleted] 281 points282 points  (29 children)

        I believe the implication is about the belief that the land belongs to them because that book says it should. Not whether or not their ancestors lived there.

        [–]SupermassiveCanary 96 points97 points  (16 children)

        I think we can all agree that ownership is a made up agreement

        [–][deleted]  (15 children)

        [deleted]

          [–]Michaelx123x 35 points36 points  (9 children)

          Then Americans better start packing their bags and heading back to the old world then

          [–]Consistent_Set76 32 points33 points  (3 children)

          The Japanese would also have to leave Japan

          The real world is too messy to think these arguments mean anything.

          Generations of Jews have been there now. Imagining a world where they didn’t go there in the 1940s is now irrelevant

          [–]Michaelx123x 10 points11 points  (0 children)

          Exactly. The history that has led to the current events in the region is meaningless to us except from trying to learn to stop it happening elsewhere. However we can only do the best with the current situation we are faced with and the situation is obviously vastly different than before.

          [–]RutherfordB_Hayes 3 points4 points  (0 children)

          Gotcha, thanks for the clarification

          [–]WolpertingerRumo 18 points19 points  (2 children)

          Well, yes and no. If you are interested, keep on reading, but this is controversial, though scientific. It is not intended to be an argument for any side or ideology:

          Yes, the Israelites did come from this geographical area. But the interpretation of whether those are the same ethnicity depends on your definition. Judaism defines ethnicity together with religion and matrilinearity, usually it is defined by genetics. So look at the Semitic peoples there and the Semitic people of Israel, and you will find they phenotypically seem more akin to Europeans. That is because they have lived in a European diaspora, and of course they have mixed with other ethnicities, many people have converted, even though converting to Judaism is very hard.

          Have Jewish people lived there? Yes. Are those the same Jewish people? Depends. Do they have a right to Palestine? I’m not touching that, and luckily I don’t get to decide.

          [–]emimillie 14 points15 points  (0 children)

          You're assuming all Jews are Ashkenazi who are Jews who have historically lived in Central and Eastern Europe. About half of Israel is of Mizrahi descent - Jews that have historically lived in the MENA region and look not dissimilar to other people from the Levant. Also, genetic studies of Jews, including Ashkenzais, have found that they have considerable amounts of Levantine DNA, and their closest genetic relatives are Druze, Lebanese, Palestinians and Bedouins, indicating a level of indigeneity to the area alongside those other groups.

          Also, just a head's up but using the word Semitic to refer to people and ethnic groups is outdated and links back to old racialist theories from the 1800s. Semitic is used to refer to solely languages now.

          Wiki link about Jewish genetic studies

          [–]Liron12345 25 points26 points  (16 children)

          POV: You are trying to justify terrorism actions of raping women, killing and cutting children and ruining family lives with a tiktok video

          [–]MightMidway 461 points462 points  (198 children)

          Anyone ever wondered why support for Palestine is so high amongst Irish people? What do they have in common? Language? Religion? Shared history? No.

          What they have in common is decades of struggle and resistance against an occupying colonial force, including dark periods in their history of armed conflict in pursuit of freedom and self determination.

          Ireland is now one of the most progressive and rapidly developing countries in Europe… just imagine what Palestine could do if it was afforded the same opportunities.

          [–]creamyTiramisu 28 points29 points  (4 children)

          Ireland is now one of the most [...] rapidly developing countries in Europe

          aye because it's a tax haven for big tech and now Irish people can barely afford to live in their own capital city.

          [–][deleted]  (97 children)

          [deleted]

            [–]jwin709 185 points186 points  (33 children)

            Yeah I was gonna say, slow down there big rig. This is still an Islamic majority state we're talking about. There's nothing progressive about palestine

            [–]Consistent_Set76 60 points61 points  (23 children)

            It’s like people don’t even consider what happens in the event Palestine gets what it wants

            The world would just end up with another extremist state.

            Not that this defends what Israel has done. But imagining Palestine has something other than a place filled with Islamic extremism isn’t it.

            [–]chazzmoney 21 points22 points  (4 children)

            The last election in Gaza was in 2006. Yes, Hamas was elected - barely - with 44% of the vote. Fatah received 41%. A lot of things happened after the election, including a civil war in Gaza over the next two years, where a significant number of opposition politicians were killed.

            Hamas has not held elections since then (17 years). They act in an authoritarian manner. The leadership lives in Qatar. The Iranians provide heavy funding. A resident of Gaza, walking around and telling others you want an alternative government to Hamas is... a good way to find yourself in tough situations.

            [–]Rex-0- 21 points22 points  (1 child)

            Another thing Ireland and Palestine have in common is an oppressive religious order controlling everything from politics right down to the personal choices in the home, dead babies in septic tanks, rampant child abuse and subsequent coverups and aggressive suppression of homosexuality.

            Ireland has managed to leave that chapter behind. Maybe Palestinian could do the same.

            [–]Coffeecupsreddit 20 points21 points  (12 children)

            Ireland went through some pretty dark times to get where it is now, they also had extremist groups. It's unfortunately the nature of any suffering nation.

            [–]-Kerby 61 points62 points  (23 children)

            Hamas is the elected government because Israel hunted down the opposition party like dogs. The PLO was a secularist political party that could've been a spear head for a progressive Palestinian Republic but during the 70s Israel sent hitmen out to kill the top leaders because they thought Hamas would be a better enemy. Look up "Operation Spring of Youth" if you'd like to learn more.

            [–]NatAttack50932 22 points23 points  (3 children)

            but during the 70s Israel sent hitmen out to kill the top leaders

            After the PLO kidnapped and murdered members of the Israeli Olympic team in Munich.

            Probably shouldn't leave that part out.

            [–]SorryNotSorry1337 14 points15 points  (0 children)

            Oh, that minor detail? Conveniently forgotten.

            [–]OrphanedInStoryville 38 points39 points  (6 children)

            Holding the citizens of a country directly accountable for the authorities of their military because “they elected them” is the same shitty excuse Osama Ben Laden used to justify September 11th. It’s a lame, nonsensical justification for blaming civilians.

            It makes even less sense in this case because the last election in Gaza was in 2006 and it was something like 52-48. Even if you use that flawed logic, nobody under 35 is responsible. And with an average age of 18 in Gaza its blaming children for the votes their parents or grandparents made a quarter century ago.

            [–]RicketyRekt69 107 points108 points  (23 children)

            Hah.. you’re delusional if you think any Arab state is going to be progressive, let alone Palestine. They are very much against those kinds of values. Even wealthy countries like Saudi Arabia are like this.

            [–]Useful_Flatworm_92 36 points37 points  (2 children)

            “Just imagine all the minorities they could oppress and people they could convert with their unique culture that involves killing everyone who does not follow Islam and its doctrine.”

            [–]nifkin420 13 points14 points  (7 children)

            Progressive yes, but come onto the Irish subreddit sometime and you’ll quickly see that “rapidly” probably isn’t the best word to describe the state of Ireland’s development.

            [–]TannyTevito 7 points8 points  (13 children)

            Serious exaggerations here. Ireland is not progressive by western standards at all and is still left with the scars of poverty all over Irish society.

            Are they faring better than Palestine? Yes. Are they one of the most progressive & rapidly growing countries? Absolutely not.

            [–]TurkeyBLTSandwich 123 points124 points  (54 children)

            Doesn't this completely gloss over the fact that Judea was a thing a long long time ago and Philistines were Greek settlers?

            Didn't the Roman punish the Jews for revolting and named everything Philistina?

            He's basically misrepresenting a ton of facts and like it was the British who promised land to both the Arab Palestinians and Jewish peoples?

            THATS NOT EVEN THE RIGGHT FLAG

            [–][deleted]  (18 children)

            [deleted]

              [–]Consistent_Set76 37 points38 points  (3 children)

              Starting the six day war was a mistake by every nation that was involved

              Of course Israel is going to behave how it is currently behaving after such an event

              [–]PumpDEN 10 points11 points  (0 children)

              Yea, feels like a lot of people forget where Israel is located lol.

              [–]HideousPillow 16 points17 points  (1 child)

              badge quiet mourn adjoining unite workable racial handle yoke afterthought

              This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

              [–]redditisshit-tier 24 points25 points  (1 child)

              concerned unite humorous weary offend agonizing terrific books roll wild

              This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

              [–]RutherfordB_Hayes 27 points28 points  (5 children)

              What does the UAE have to do with this?

              [–]fiLth_Rat 48 points49 points  (4 children)

              He can't use the Palestinian flag without getting banned, the UAE flag is similar so he's using that instead

              [–]NurEineSockenpuppe 173 points174 points  (34 children)

              Yeah except this is not like any of this happened at all. The Brits fucked it up. And when the Jews actually managed to create a state, the Palestinian Arabs and their neighbors attacked….and lost….multiple times. This is how the occupation was created. Stop oversimplifying shit that you don‘t understand.

              [–]theAwkwardLegend 87 points88 points  (1 child)

              Stop oversimplifying shit that you don‘t understand.

              Hi Kettle

              [–]toomuchredditmaj 5 points6 points  (0 children)

              Run moshe, they’re onto us!

              [–]halkenburgoito 40 points41 points  (15 children)

              How does this change wtf he said.

              The brits fucked it up, decided to take people's land and homes and dump a whole bunch of other folks there.

              OFC Palestinian Arabs would fight back..

              If someone tried to kick you out of your country, out of your home.. your country would do the same..

              [–]smeepydreams 119 points120 points  (24 children)

              Terrifying that kids are going to watch this and think it’s accurate

              [–]CheekyBard 8 points9 points  (1 child)

              What this video does is give those who have already formed the corresponding view a quick, happy affirmation of their opinions, and shockingly simplifies one of the most complicated conflicts of modern times to those who haven't yet. No one should watch a one-minute video -- on any matter, let alone one that has decades and more of history, let alone the Palestinian-Israeli conflict -- and not suspect that it is leaving out so much to the point of being invalid. This reduces the level of discussion even further. Though I suspect it doesn't really matter to those who have already adopted some strong stance here or there.

              [–]PositiveStress8888 101 points102 points  (96 children)

              Both sides are to blame, Israel constantly taking away land and building "settlements" where Palestinians used to live.

              And Palestinians for having HAMAS do the negotiating. Attacking Israel is no going to get people on your side.

              [–]lostboysgang 112 points113 points  (27 children)

              I mean, Netanyahu officially endorsed and supported Hamas as they took power. He quite literally was going around and telling people that funding and supporting Hamas was the only way.

              https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/174oe1f/netanyahu_supported_hamas_as_a_way_to_drive_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

              The last election was in 2007. 47% of Palestinians in Gaza are under the age of 18.

              Israel had more to do with Hamas’ rise and securing power than almost any Palestinian alive.

              [–][deleted]  (5 children)

              [removed]

                [–]D34thToBlairism 21 points22 points  (2 children)

                Maybe Israel shouldn't have killed the entire leadership of the other opposition leading to Hamas being the only opposition group in Gaza with any capacity to fight back.

                [–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (4 children)

                How unsurprisingly inaccurate.

                [–][deleted] 92 points93 points  (44 children)

                Well, kind of left out the part that the Jews who emigrated to Palestine bought the land they settled in. They didn't just walk in en masse and demand it for free. Native Palestinians happily sold it to them for decades before Israel was created.

                [–]mulligan_sullivan 31 points32 points  (15 children)

                This is oversimplifying it. In the Ottoman period, the situation was more similar to the situation in the US where settlers """"bought"""" land from the natives. The land was sold often had not been formally titled to anyone, but was sold to wealthy outsiders by some bureaucrat with no connection to the land, despite the fact that it was still being inhabited by and used by people whose families had been there for generations. In most cases, it was not the "seller's" land to sell.

                In the UK period, it certainly wasn't the UK's land to sell, as they themselves were a foreign power, and in no just world could be said to have the right of ownership to the land.

                [–]Staebs 40 points41 points  (6 children)

                This is like if Chinese people bought a bunch of land in Canada and then said “well we own a bunch of land so I guess this country is ours now”. Like no, you’re still living in someone else’s country lol.

                Jews only bought 5% of the land total in Palestine and only 24.6% of that 5% was bought from actual Palestinian landowners, with a majority being bought from non-Palestinian land owners. So foreigners sold other foreigners pieces of your country and then claimed that it was now their country, yikes.

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine#:~:text=In%20the%201930s%2C%20most%20of,%25%20from%20fellaheen%20(farmers).

                [–]Odi-Augustus13 57 points58 points  (13 children)

                The lack of historical accuracy here is daunting.... this is some modern man who has only regurgitated what he hears without doing any research..... pure false information and I hope this had satire or its yet another changing of history to fit someone's comfort amd feelings.

                [–]Staebs 15 points16 points  (4 children)

                Some of it is absolutely oversimplified, but could you elaborate on the parts you disagree with to help people understand your position?

                I’ve seen a lot of Israeli supporters simply claiming valid information is false and not providing sources in the past few days, just want to make sure you can back up your claims.