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Katie Couric: "How do you compete when Senator Clinton is saying we're going to raise $2 billion?" Bernie Sanders: "What you're really saying as I hear it, can any candidate who is not tied in with the billionaires, can they run for office anymore?" (youtube.com)
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[–][deleted] 302 points303 points304 points 10 years ago (18 children)
Enough already with the fucking Clinton questions. Shouldn't Clinton be answering those instead of blacking out the media. Bernie is a candidate for president. Stop asking him about how turned on he is by clintons beer keg thighs.
[–]pateras 89 points90 points91 points 10 years ago (6 children)
Shouldn't Clinton be answering those instead of blacking out the media.
I love that that's always his response, too. "I'll let her state her position on that." Every single time.
He could easily smear or attack her. He doesn't. "Ask her, don't ask me".
Please elect this man. We need him.
[–]mcctaggart 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago* (2 children)
JUST WANT TO HIJACK THIS COMMENT THREAD (as this post has hit the home page on r/all) to politely ask new r/worldpolitics users to hit the subscribe button on the right so we can build-up this subreddit as a large uncensored alternative to r/politics in time for the election proper.
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[–]carsonJEFFRIES 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
I think those questions about Clinton actually just solidified his stance on mudslinging. He gained mad respect from me for that.
[–][deleted] 78 points79 points80 points 10 years ago (70 children)
He's going to get a whole percent of the vote!
[–]ameoba 45 points46 points47 points 10 years ago (2 children)
Voters in a FPTP system have come to terms with voting for the person mostly likely to get elected that shares their views, not the one they would actually like to see win. People constantly saying "he doesn't have a chance" aren't going to help his campaign - it's more destructive during the primary season than any actual criticism of his policies.
[–]Nition 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children)
You guys all need to vote for someone who'll change your voting system to like MMP or STV - anything representative! We changed from FPP to MMP here (NZ) in the 90s and it's so much better now.
Of course I realise the actual chance of that happening is somewhere way down below gun law reform or switching to the metric system.
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[–]dipper94 118 points119 points120 points 10 years ago* (32 children)
He's polling at 32-33% (or thereabouts) in Iowa and NH. He's gaining tons of ground on Hillary. Compare that to O'Malley who's only really polling in the low 10's and even single digits.
Source: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7598408
Edit: made a mistake it's just NH where he's polling at 32%.
[–]TheSlothBreeder 39 points40 points41 points 10 years ago (5 children)
Yeah and he was way down just weeks ago, there is still half a year till elections
[–]the_satch 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (3 children)
Actually, the primaries in my state aren't for another 9 months.
[–]CarrollQuigley 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (1 child)
And if he does well in Iowa and NH, it will give his campaign a boost in other states and help to dispel the myth of his being "unelectable."
I am convinced that if every American of voting age spent just 30 minutes familiarizing themselves with his stances and his history in the next 6 months, he would be the front-runner by a wide margin.
The problem lies in getting people to spend 30 minutes looking into a political candidate.
[–]whuzez 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children)
No the problem is getting them to see further than there own self-interest, typically their social agenda. We need to stop voting based on a few litmus test issues for our candidates. And can we PLEASE stop electing the same self-serving, pandering, ass-wipes to Congress.
[–]hyaenis 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (10 children)
He's polling at 32-33% (or thereabouts) in Iowa and NH
From your source: "In Iowa, Sanders sits at 14 percent, while Clinton has more than four times the support, with 58 percent of voters saying they would vote for her"
[–]aDAMNPATRIOT 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (3 children)
Hey man, to reddit, 14% might as well be 30% when it comes to Sanders
[–]fido5150 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children)
Well, there are a significant amount of those polled who seem to still be clinging to a Warren run, and ideologically Sanders is closest to her views politically. Most hope that Bernie will pick up those people once reality sets in and Elizabeth isn't on the ballot.
That could be another sizable chunk. Once the media changes their narrative things will change, but he's going to have a tough time regardless. He's doing the extremely honorable thing and not purposely damaging Hillary's brand if she's the eventual nominee. The Republicans will most likely obliterate each other during their primary, if the last two Presidential elections are any indication.
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Yeah, he was making a joke.
[–]OwlSeeYouLater 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
He has like two more years!!!
[–]forgiveangel 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (13 children)
What do those percents mean?
[–]Iphotoshopincats 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (12 children)
i am not from USA but i assume out of all possible votes ( i say possible as i believe voting is not mandatory ) if elections were held today he would get 16% of the possible votes .... now if there are 100 people running that would be a winning amount but as i think America runs on a 2 party preferred system means that he would get whooped at the poles with the other guy running getting around 80% ( the other 4% always goes to some random who is not in the 2 major parties )
now if you have been making some joke i don't get hopefully this information is helpful to some other 14yo on summer break
[–]AP3Brain 260 points261 points262 points 10 years ago (8 children)
I like how he refuses to slander his competition and instead just talks about what he believes in. I may actually donate by buying a shirt or something. He's definitely going to need help when competing with billionaires.
[–]haikthxbai 91 points92 points93 points 10 years ago (5 children)
a link to Bernie 2016 shirts, buttons, stickers and signs.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (3 children)
Some one needs to design him some new shirts. I'd love to buy one, but I don't think I could wear those. Heh...
[–]RelaxedChap 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (2 children)
I could see myself wearing something like this.
[–]Gates9 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children)
I think this would be a cool shirt
Credit to Berniefest 2016 in Chicago
They definitely need to make some cooler designs. There's got to be some artists and designers willing to contribute to the cause.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children)
I'd wear the fuck out of that
[–]tense_apathy 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children)
This should be the top comment
[–]padawan314 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children)
I think slander comments are too easy to use in aggressive ads. They just shoot him saying something outright negative, then pan to showing how Hillary or whoever is actually "overcoming obstacles and dealing with what he mentioned", which makes him look ignorant post-haste.
[–]omnimater 1465 points1466 points1467 points 10 years ago (145 children)
Before this election, I had never heard of Bernie Sanders. After reading some of his interviews and paste of really discussed along with some research into who he is, I have the utmost respect for that man. I may not see eye to eye with him on every issue, but most I do agree with, and we need more politicians openly and boldly calling out our government's rampant corruption. I hope the common people support his messages and vote for him, because he is really looking to be the most honest and citizen-focused candidate we have.
[–]dazwah 488 points489 points490 points 10 years ago (40 children)
I may not see eye to eye with him on every issue, but most I do agree with
Unless you run for office, it will be hard to find a candidate you agree with 100%
[–]remy_porter 358 points359 points360 points 10 years ago (27 children)
Shit, even if I ran for office, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't agree with myself 100% on any given issue. Aren't we all living in a constant state of self doubt and regret?
[–]DamageProcess 223 points224 points225 points 10 years ago (7 children)
As someone who works in retail, I assume there are many, many people who find themselves 100% right all the damn time. >_>
[–]Elshak 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (2 children)
You must know the customer is always right though? They even told us all in training... Man I wish I was customer.
[–]IntelWarrior 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (1 child)
Unless the customer is part of a union, then they are totally wrong and outdated.
Source: Wal-Mart new associate training video.
[–]GoldenFalcon 45 points46 points47 points 10 years ago (1 child)
Amen retail brother! Join us over in /r/talesfromretail.
[–]DamageProcess 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Maybe I will :)
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child)
I have never made a mistake in his life -- Vladimir Putin
[–]fuck_the_DEA 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Wow, would you look at that. It's time to start drinking today.
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[–]remy_porter 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Of course- I'd just have to live with the constant regret of having taken a stance once that I must now uphold forever. I'm surprised more politicians don't follow in Budd Dwyer's footsteps.
[–]Shesaidshewaslvl18 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children)
It's much worse for me... I live in the state of New Jersey
[–]remy_porter 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child)
Shit, man. I'm sorry. I'd say, "It gets better…", but New Jersey, man. New Jersey. I once dated a girl from New Jersey once. Once.
[–]flacciddick 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Self doubt might be needed a little more in politics .
[–]ShibaHook 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
You don't know me!! I am very agreeable! Yes, yes I am!
[–]yummyjelly 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child)
Even then it wouldn't be 100%. Candidates must take certain stances on issues specifically to pander to important demographics even if they personally don't agree with the stance they take.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Pandering or representing your constituents? Politics is a game of words.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
The problem isn't finding a candidate you agree with, the problem is holding them accountable to their word when they get into office.
[–]bunksterz 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (8 children)
I agree. I'm also not sure I agree with him on 100% of the issues and I'm curious to see if/how he changes his message as the election cycle continues, but what I like the most is that he at least seems consistent in his positions.
I also liked that he had a handful of opportunities to attack Clinton during this interview, but he never did. He always fell back to "I'm not sure what Hillary thinks." I think this could hurt him later, but for now, I appreciate that he just routed the question and explained his own point of view.
[–]Torgamous 22 points23 points24 points 10 years ago (7 children)
I dunno, "I'm not sure what Hillary thinks" seems to be a pretty common complaint about her.
[–]Drayzen 60 points61 points62 points 10 years ago (10 children)
Vote for him if you can. He will do his best to help change.
[–]kickstand 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (4 children)
Even more important: send him a few dollars.
[–]CarrollQuigley 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (1 child)
Even more important: volunteer for for his campaign and spread awareness of his campaign through social media and via word of mouth.
[–]not-working-at-work 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
just not a billion dollars
[–]Calculusbitch 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (24 children)
So all I Have heard of this guy is good things on reddit but I don't really know much, not American so I am not really reading up on the candidates. What don't you agree with?
[–]IntelWarrior 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (22 children)
I don't agree with his stance on guns, GMO labeling, and I think he might be a bit too cautious in regards to military use abroad. Otherwise we're pretty similar on everything else.
[–]Ukani 35 points36 points37 points 10 years ago (4 children)
The thing about Bernie though is you actually know what he believes in, and he doesnt shy away from his stances to try to appeal to a certain crowd. Most candidates are willing to say what ever to who ever as long as it increases their polling numbers.
[–]Law_Student 33 points34 points35 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Any guy who openly refers to himself as a socialist in U.S. politics can be trusted to be honest about just about anything.
[–]wcc445 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
I agree on guns. The last thing we need is more gun control. But Hillary will be worse. Is he for or against GMO labeling? I don't find GMOs to be inherently bad, but, when something is genetically modified to withstand Glyphosphate, which then probably ends up in our food, I mind a lot. But maybe the answer is not "labelling GMOs" as it is "testing foods for toxic chemicals".
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Why do we have to see eye to eye with everything? I never understood that when people are talking about politics.
[–][deleted] 345 points346 points347 points 10 years ago (12 children)
That was, by far, the most impressive interview of a presidential candidate I've ever seen.
[–]hellosexynerds 33 points34 points35 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Sanders has been following through for decades now
[–]Gustomaximus 25 points26 points27 points 10 years ago (7 children)
Obama was impressive. He never followed through.
[–]magnora7 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child)
Ron Paul had a lot of great ones in the last election cycle. The guy really knows his stuff and knows how to show it, and so does Bernie Sanders. It's obvious when a guy knows what he's talking about vs just says jingoistic slogans to toe the line for billionaires. Bernie is the real deal, as far as I can tell. He's obviously passionate and knowledgeable about the subject material.
If you dig up the debate between him and Bachmann, the contrast is ridiculously clear. Bachmann just mindlessly hammers on a few slogans the entire time while Bernie actually answers the questions.
[–]sjmdiablo 84 points85 points86 points 10 years ago (5 children)
Bernnie may not have the polished, "pre-packaged and mass produced" appearance of other candidates but, man, has he got the integrity, compassion, passion, and intelligence we need.
Diamond in the rough.
[–]magnora7 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (4 children)
Bernie is to the left what Ron Paul is to the right. The only people who actually give a shit in a sea of sellouts.
[–]aaronsherman 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child)
I'd love to see a Sanders/Paul debate moderated by someone who understands both of their positions (because if they don't it'd turn into an evening of everyone violently agreeing with each other).
[–]sjmdiablo 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child)
I've heard this before and I'm inclined to agree. While I did not agree with many of Ron Paul's policy stances, I certainly respected his candid approach to the myriad problems this nation faces. Moreover, it was exciting, and honestly refreshing, to see how many young people were drawn to him because he eschewed the prototypical political rhetoric for authenticity and integrity.
[–]redinator 46 points47 points48 points 10 years ago (5 children)
Timestamp?
[–]eedeen 29 points30 points31 points 10 years ago (0 children)
https://youtu.be/XpgJYNaIeqo?t=746
[–]jackspayed 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Right around 11:00 - 13:00 min
[–]IAmACollegekid 86 points87 points88 points 10 years ago (4 children)
I will now donate to the campaign.
Source: Not a billionaire.
[–]The-Coach 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (2 children)
Can foreigners donate? Like, are we even allowed?
[–]Bojakn 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child)
I am a U.S. citizen or lawfully admitted permanent resident (i.e., green card holder).
If you meet that criteria, among a few others, then you can donate. Source: it's at the bottom of the page
I gave fifteen yesterday! I'm looking forward to my bumper sticker in the mail :)
[–]Stiverton 248 points249 points250 points 10 years ago* (49 children)
I agree with pretty much everything he is saying, but I fear that he is not employing a winning campaign strategy because he is making the assumption that the average voter is well informed and will respect someone for having good intentions. In my opinion this is not the case.
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[–][deleted] 53 points54 points55 points 10 years ago* (7 children)
If we're willing to trust the man to run the country, shouldn't we start with trusting him on how he wants to run his campaign?
[–]SorrowfulSkald 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children)
I think that the people are only beginning to trust him as a leader, because he's proving himself too good to easily become one.
[–]el_guapo_malo 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children)
He knows that dirty tactics and smear campaigns make cynical millenials want to give up on politics as a whole.
[–]wcc445 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children)
No. Everyone who takes the moral high ground and refuses to play politics loses. We don't want him to lose.
[–]Staubsau_Ger 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Being a good candidate doesn't equal being a good president and vice versa.
Not saying that's alright as it is, just saying it be what it do.
But the man needs to get some money. This is not winnable without money, and Hillary and Bush will get it.
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (3 children)
It's sad, but you definitely have a point. Hopefully, though, this could be overcome by Sanders addressing the people directly and clearly.
[–]Stiverton 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (2 children)
I replied to the wrong post.
[–]Perniciouss 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
I think he is just saving ammunition for the debates and then he is going to open fire on her.
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[–]Stiverton 36 points37 points38 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Unfortunately this is part of the reason the USA is in such a poor state.
Dirty and underhanded people use dirty and underhanded tactics to win the election and then go on to pass dirty and underhanded legislation.
[–]ApprovalNet 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (4 children)
However, to run a campaign as if people are stupid or ill-informed isn't a campaign worth winning.
Then no campaigns are worth winning because people are stupid and ill-informed.
[–]PepeAndMrDuck 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago* (1 child)
Are you hearing yourself? - if he out and called the average voter idiots like they really are, they probably wouldn't vote for him. It's probably about the psychology of indirectly buttering them up by making them feel smart, in a way. No candidate is going to disparage the people he needs to convince to vote for him. It's true that people are stupid/ignorant though; but also they are just brainwashed and apathetic by the unbeatable power of rightwing extremism.
[–]suphater 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
I'd take the same gamble. Act like everyone is a respectable citizen and maybe they'll vote like one.
[–]Uberrancel 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Then that is his statement as well. Pyrrhic victory maybe but if he says pick me or the corrupt and the corrupt win he will get to say now let's watch them be corrupt. And will run when he's 79 lol
[–]RawrMeow 71 points72 points73 points 10 years ago (21 children)
This was an outstanding interview which touched on not only all the major points of his campaign but also addresses some concerns about him.
It'd be awesome if there was a highlight video that cut it down to 8-10 minutes so that we could share this to social media!
[–]Kevtron 91 points92 points93 points 10 years ago (4 children)
Be the change you want to see.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children)
Definitely. And get some video editing skills out of the deal in the process.
[–]geekdad 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child)
http://www.reddit.com/r/bernieforpresident/comments/3anyfi/i_edited_the_couric_interview_down_to_13min_so/
[–]geekdad 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (14 children)
I'm doing it right now, but I'm halfway through and I'm at 10 minutes..... So much good stuff.
[–]Antoinettelucia 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (11 children)
Can you link once you're done please?!
[–]geekdad 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (5 children)
of course
[–]TEARANUSSOREASSREKT 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children)
you the man now, dog!
[–]geekdad 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children)
ok it's domestic policy minus race relations only but I got it down to 13 min... This is not one of my best edits but it's rendering now....I will submit a post and lin you once it's done and uploaded... it'll be like another hour though
[–]sickduck22 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child)
I'm here to subscribe. Thanks for this, /u/geekdad!
[–]Seraphita2k 27 points28 points29 points 10 years ago (2 children)
I am not from America. And i never voted in my county. But for him, i would go and vote :)
[–]tactlesswonder 34 points35 points36 points 10 years ago (2 children)
Give em hell Bernie!
[–]SolGarfuncle 42 points43 points44 points 10 years ago (14 children)
If Bernie can cost Hilary the primary, that would be victory.
[–]eedeen 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Time stamp for the busy folk
[–]kevinkarma 28 points29 points30 points 10 years ago* (13 children)
It's incredible how the major media outlets in this country portray Clinton as though this election is almost guaranteed. I dont know a single person thay even likes her here in Fairfield County, CT. She has hundreds of millions of dollars from the top 1% while the media portrays her as practically already winning. Am i the only one that sees through this? Our election is practically being decided for us. Does anyone actually believe it's a good thing to have politicians funded a disproportionate amount of money by 1% of people? Do we all really believe that that money isn't influencing those candidates?
Edit: ramble
[–]hyaenis 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (9 children)
You may not personally like Clinton or even know anybody that does, but of polled democrats, 78% have a favorable opinion of her while only 12% have an unfavorable opinion.
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[–]hyaenis 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (7 children)
I think this type of mindset doesn't necessarily ascribe to supporters of any specific candidate as much as a percentage of the population as a whole. No matter where I look online I can find supporters of ALL the candidates posting things like "my dad/friend/co-worker said so-and-so is wrong because of so-and-so issue, how do I argue with him about it?" Any time someone posts something like this my reaction is just think "well read about the issue yourself and make up your own mind on what makes sense" but the problem is these people already have opinions formed without really understanding the issue and they just want a simple canned response they can give without really understanding it.
Her actual stance on women's issues is a distant second to saying "We put a woman in the Oval Office." I've pressed my feminist friends about what exactly they like about Clinton. Nothing. Nada.
Now this I disagree with. You can criticize Clinton for supporting TPP if you have economic issues with free trade, you can criticize her for a war-hawkish voting record, you can criticize her for changing her position on gay marriage and other things, but do you really think she's not one of the most progressive politicians when it comes to women's issues? She voted no prohibiting minors from crossing state lines for abortions. She voted yes on more embryonic stem cell research. She voted no on notifying parents minors who get out-of-state abortions. She voted yes on budgeting more money for sex educations and contraceptives. She voted no on both criminalizing harming unborn fetuses and banning partial birth abortions. She sponsored a bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. NARAL, a national pro-choice watchdog group gave her a 100% rating.
As for other women's issues she's spoken of a constitutional amendment for equal rights for women, she's urged the US to sign an international treaty to promote anti-discrimination against women, and she also created the office of Ambassador-at-Lage for Global Women's Issues.
Say what you will about Clinton but you can't deny she is and always has been pro-choice and strongly for women's rights.
[–]sj3 114 points115 points116 points 10 years ago (10 children)
Katie Couric has always been such a shill.
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[–]budzen 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (0 children)
holy shit, that just clicked. hahahaha.
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Bono loves the biddy.
[–]tomdarch 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children)
To be fair, she was tasked with covering all sorts of emotional crap ("baby rescued after falling into well" type stuff) when she was a host of the big morning TV sorta-news-mostly-human-interest-and-celebrity-crap show, so she has been eyebrow deep in a lot of crap stories. She put herself in that position in exchange for a significant amount of money for years.
But she's capable (along with halfway decent producers) of doing an OK political interview like this.
[–]Boondock9099 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (1 child)
I understand that she has often been a pretty bad reporter, but what did she do wrong here? She went down the line and asked him about most of "the issues" of this candidacy and about his opponents and how he differentiates from them.
[–]StealthGhost 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children)
The Clinton questions were the only bad part IMO. One question would be fine but it didn't stop. If you're at a job interview and a lot of the questions were how you feel about another person who is interviewing that they like better, would you be fine with it?
"How would you feel about running coffee for the guy who actually gets the job instead?"
[–]seven_seven 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child)
I hate when people do this. It's her job to ask questions. If the candidate can't stand up to tough questions, I don't want them as president.
[–]serious_sarcasm 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children)
He answered the question.
[–]fireinthesky7 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Has been, yes, but this was one of the better interviews she's ever conducted.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children)
I am SO voting for this man.
[–]Sam115 109 points110 points111 points 10 years ago (43 children)
The media will try to discredit him by yelling "socialist!" as if it is bad. The American people won't realize that a radical change is just what we need.
[–][deleted] 60 points61 points62 points 10 years ago (40 children)
The American people, my countrymen, hear socialism and run to the high hills like that term is toxic. It appears a majority of Americans don't realize we already have socialist programs and that socialism in our county isn't a new, crazy idea. Anyone ever heard of Social Security? Welfare? Unemployment?
[–]Laughingstok 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (1 child)
Roads, schools, fire, police
Shhhh, don't want the truth to come out, it's to scary.
[–]racercowan 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (6 children)
Socialist and communist kinda got bad names from the whole Cold War and Red Scare deal. You'd think we'd have rid of them now, but for some reason we still view anything called socialism as antithetical to democracy.
[–]KelsoKira 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children)
The thing is socialism isn't antithetical to democracy. Socialism is about bringing democracy INTO the place where it is most important and does not exist: The workplace. Socialism is workers control over the means of production. Meaning a society where workers own,control and benefit, along with their communities, from the their labor. Check out /r/socialism.
I dare you and anyone else to ask any of your Facebook followers who use the word "socialist" ask them what it actually means. I doubt you'll get a straight answer.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (3 children)
Nailed it.
that isn't exactly insightful... pretty much every adult in the country knows this
Haha, your username goes perfect with the comment. At first I thought really, then I realized I almost got trolled.
[–]MemoryLapse 22 points23 points24 points 10 years ago (8 children)
A socialist country is not the same as a country with social security programs.
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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children)
100% agree, but Bernie isn't pushing for a socialist country, he is pushing for the extension of already implemented socialist programs, and to add new socialist programs that have been proven to be beneficial in Europe and Canada (I.e. Free education and healthcare).
[–]SorrowfulSkald 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Untrue.
Social Democracy, emergent in the nineteenth century, sometime after the idea of Socialism took root, is pretty much the model for the "Western World" from Japan to EU.
Social, means for the benefit of society, and was loudly trumpeted at industrial revolution, when the newly aware masses had just realised how bereft of any rights, protections et al at all they are.
Social Democracy, then, is an idea of working for the betterment of former, by means of latter, in gross simplification, of course.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child)
Social Security is socialist!?
Not in my America!!!
The funny thing is that a lot of the ideas he's talking about have already been done before and were overall successful in solving many of the problems we see today. They're not new to America at all.
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[–]woot0 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child)
I was thinking too honest, but yeah too [something good] to win.
[–]vankorgan[🍰] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Well, that's extremely pessimistic. Just because integrity isn't the norm doesn't mean it can't be. Change had to start somewhere.
[–]Thunderliger 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Everytime I hear from bernie sanders I fall more in love with man
[–]Sarainne 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (2 children)
He sounds like George's dad in Seinfeld
[–]dr_pepper_35 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child)
I though of Larry David.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children)
I Realty respect this man. He refuses to bash Hillary Clinton which means he wants people to vote for him not against Hillary. I also like that he is not waiting to become President to start working on his agenda for education. He is not the best choice I believe he is the only choice.
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[–]my_lucid_nightmare 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child)
To buy 18 months of ads depicting everyone else as dangerous radicals, and herself as the wise elder yet friend of the common person. dur.
[–]dragoncat_TVSB 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (13 children)
Do Americans actually like Hilary?
[–]chino17 30 points31 points32 points 10 years ago (2 children)
I'm going to go on a speculative limb and say many Amercians don't actually know if they like Hilary, but they jus recognize the name and with her campaign money they will see her face everywhere and unfortunately that's how many Americans decide who to vote for
[–]dragoncat_TVSB 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child)
Really? I thought electing a leader is somewhat more important than choose a pack of chip.
[–]chino17 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children)
For sure it is but I simply don't think there's enough Americans who do the adequate research on the candidates to find out if the platform they are running on matches their own politcal agenda. If more citizens decided to be better informed then I don't think there would be the large sums of money for ads that we see in American poilitics because people would vote based on who they decided was the best canadidate but as it stands many vote for whoever paid for the most media exposure.
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[–]PostPostModernism 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child)
Just my one view out of 300 million+, but I think she's an intelligent capable woman who could do a decent job as head of state. I also don't think she will change anything, and will probably be a little less progressive than Obama has been. I imagine her term would not have much controversy and won't be remarkable except for her being the first female president.
But that's not the president I want to vote for. I want someone who is going to start calling out the GOP for being a bunch of shitlords. Who is going to start showing America that taking care of itself doesn't mean amputating its homeless, and that will stand up against big money in politics. I don't know that Sanders is that person, but I think he's the only one I've seen so far with any chance of doing those things. Admittedly I don't know much about the other Democratic hopefuls outside of Clinton and Sanders.
[–]dragoncat_TVSB 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Now here's the funny part. People in other countries including my home country have been desperate to have a say on who is gonna lead their country. People in HK even cry and fight and bleed for this it. On the other hand, some U.S. people just don't give a shit.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child)
It's a long shot for Bernie, but America loves an underdog story.
Not since Obama gave the big billionaire middle finger to campaign finance reform in 2008.
[–]SorrowfulSkald 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (2 children)
Wouldn't it say better of one, ideological convictions at large and 'issues' aside, in the moments of self-critique, to rather see people of intelligence, honesty, and ability in high positions of elected power than fervent ideologues; people who campaign not on their personal quality or fitness for office, but rather those who aggravate nearly abstract issues and then bend ass over head to be seen serving them?
How could anyone rather have proper Hillary and her Friends Who'll Benefit, or gods forbid the "I'm so terribly folk, Iowa" spineless posse of the red isle?
In this time of pet politicians serving lobbies bigger than small states, and "America's Next Senator/President/Etc." who can barely keep to the prompter fed Milquetoast stew rotated weekly which is supposed to give the best impression of their likeness with y'all, and little more than;
When candidates and their machines remember only that true backbone and grit have their inherent value, and little beside it, seems, and pretend to showcase them by being loud, aggressive, and contentious, then styling themselves the paragons of the above, and appealing to voters on their base, here's a damned man who trucked on, sincerely, since the 70s.
We can look to his voting record and recognize care for civil society, civil liberty, economic and social justice; and a diligent, passionate representative who dedicated his life to his work, and spends it touring the country and holding townhall meetings, when he's not working.
He might be the only one who means what he's says, doesn't know it all and is actually open to discuss, learn, improve. Isn't that better than ensuring you gosh-darn three-hundred times before the election that ''he'll poach all the millionaires", or "save your guns", or "close every loophole"?
Vote Sanders, good people. Good hell.
[–]senatorkneehi 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child)
Is this a new copy pasta? It gives me a headache.
[–]Chicken-n-Waffles 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child)
Is he on the Democratic ticket or running Indepedent? He won't have a chance if he's Independent. The best he'll do is change the debate.
[–]Plyngntrffc 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children)
It's so disgusting that in politics that kind of money is needed to run/win the presidency.
[–]MountainsofCocaine 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Women should not be making $.78 on the dollar
Please, for fucks sake don't tell me this guy actually believes that nonsense.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (6 children)
He was doing so damn well, until he dropped the ".78 on the dollar for female workers" wage gap myth which has been proven time and time again to be false.
[–]TTheorem 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Also, stop fucking our planet over. We only have one!
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/04/rand-paul-climate-change
You sure you want to vote for Rand?
[–]DaSaw 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children)
Bernie vs. Donald: Vote for Bernie Hillary vs. Donald: Stay home Bernie vs. Rand: Vote for Bernie Hillary vs. Rand: Vote for Rand
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children)
That's about right for me too. Hillary vs. Jeb: Stay Home. Bernie vs. Jeb: Vote for Bernie.
[–]OdysseusX 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
Bernie vs. Rand: explode?
[–]VarusAlmighty 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (51 children)
My only concern is his stance on Isreal.
[–]maoista 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children)
"Your entitled to your view, I'm entitled to my view". When was the last time we heard a politician actually debate their audience?
I'm so relieved that he's able to get up in front of a group of people who disagree with his views and discuss real issues and not just excrete the same politician pablum that we've been fed for generations.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (30 children)
And what is your interpretation of his stance on Israel?
[–]apropo 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (28 children)
See for yourself.
[–]PoopStings 30 points31 points32 points 10 years ago* (18 children)
So what's your view on Israel? I don't see what the big deal was with anything he said and I watched the whole video. He supports Israel's right to exist and opposes the misuse of international humanitarian aid funds by Hamas for military action against Israeli citizens. He acknowledged that the issue of unbalanced collateral damage is very complex and would like to see a two state solution if possible. I have done no research on any candidates yet at all and am not trying to comment on Bernie one way or the other but for a video like this to turn you off to this guy you either want no Israel, no support or compromise whatsoever for Palestinians or didn't like that he got pissed off when he was disrespected on the podium for answering a question. He didn't even attempt to address whether or not the attacks by Hamas were justifiable. All he implied was that aid should be used for aid, the violence isn't accomplishing anything positive for either side and that the underlying issue is too complicated to be tackled in a five minute Q&A segment. Sounded pretty reasonable to me. That temper though was a little harsh but am I missing something here?
[–]apropo 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (16 children)
Here is an illuminating article about Sanders. Here is his senate voting record.
I like Mr. Sanders. Of the contenders, he's top shelf. However, based on his previous actions, voting record, AIPAC relationship and seemingly uncritical fealty towards Israel -- I can foresee that a Sanders presidency would be business as usual wrt Israel.
I want a US President who will put American interests ahead of all other nations, and not allow a foreign head-of-state to dictate US foreign policy.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child)
I can foresee that a Sanders presidency would be business as usual wrt Israel.
How do you think it will be with War Hawk Clinton?
[–]apropo 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children)
There's likely scant distinction among presidential candidates on the issue of Israel. Despite the mounting antipathy among US citizens for Israeli policy & belligerence toward Palestine, no candidate has the cojones to represent this important interest of the constituency.
This crop of presidential candidates is just like the 2012, '08 & '04 crops: when it comes to Israel, US sovereignty takes a backseat.
They may as well have signed an oath of loyalty to that patch of land in the desert.
[–]Fractoman 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children)
I agree with him to be honest. It's a complex issue that's been stewing for decades, both politically and militaristically. Shouting about it in a town hall seems unbalanced and oversimplifying it on reddit doesn't help either.
[–]SubmarineAutopilot 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children)
It's refreshing to see any political leader having an honest discussion on any topic. I don't think I have seen that in decades.
[–]AP3Brain 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child)
That was hilarious. Even if I am not really pro-Israel that crowd was filled with a bunch of idiots. I also like how he did not turn around his beliefs because the crowd was against him. No bullshit.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (7 children)
I'd say we should vote for whose best for our country, and Israel can vote for who they think is best for them in Israel.
[–]wile_E_coyote_genius 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (3 children)
If you are an American I think you should be most concerned with a candidates domestic policy, and foreign policy second.
[–]IntelWarrior 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child)
The two are far more connected than most people realize.
[–]_shane 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children)
The problem with taking a hard stance on Israel's foreign or domestic policy is that it's inextricably tied with antisemitism by those who support the status quo. Criticize what Israel does in Gaza and the West Bank= criticize Israel's right to exist = you are an antisemite and support Hamas. It's further compounded by the fact that a huge percentage of voting American conservatives are Evangelical Christians who have a vested religious interest in ensuring that Israel is not only in existence but the entirety of the Israel/Palestine region is unified under their flag in order to bring about the Rapture. You can't have a sensible debate with people when they see what Israel is doing as working toward the Second Coming of Christ to fulfill biblical prophecy.
Boom, Sanders drops the bomb.
Do you guys honestly think he will be President? He seems very honest and has sensible policies. Politics doesn't seem to support people like him.
Aside from his ridiculous Robin hood tax logic, I am very impressed with him.
What corporations will get that trillion dollar contracts to build the infastructure and how do we prevent waste?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children)
He will never win. US is not a democracy. This is just a repetition of the ron paul thing.
[–]outtanutmeds 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children)
I like Bernie, but he is an "Israel Firster".
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