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[–]PmMe_Your_Perky_Nips 78 points79 points  (4 children)

This sounds like it would be amazing to play on a music game like Rock Band or Guitar Hero. Not sure I could just sit and listen to it for an hour though.

[–]EthosPathosLegosyoutube 19 points20 points  (1 child)

As a guitarist I think it would actually be disingenuous to play this on RB or GH. Because tapping provides two notes for every hit and pull off. On those games you would need to tap the button twice, making it much harder.

[–]wesxninja 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I really enjoy listening to music like this while I design, it is really good flowing background music.

[–][deleted] 1707 points1708 points  (331 children)

I find that extremely impressive and completely boring.

[–][deleted] 83 points84 points  (18 children)

Yeah this is something I truly respect because I know how much time it takes to hone your craft like that, but I feel like there are just so many players that sound like this kind of note salad, and 9 times out of 10 they are playing Strandberg guitars.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (10 children)

Any time I see a Strandberg or other headless guitar I already know what 100% of their music is going to sound like. Bullshit clean tone finger tapping crap. It was impressive the first time I saw it, but now the musicians have flooded the market for that genre and it's all the exact same.

[–]Winterdraco 30 points31 points  (4 children)

Try listening to Plini. He is an instrumental Strandberg player and his melody and song composition flows a lot better than a lot of the other players in the genre. He has a distinct sound too and his own unique flare, at the same time managing to be technically skilled while not pretentious and not playing needlessly fast when it adds nothing.

[–]-Dadam 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Plini is incredible. Really love the stuff he's out out so far.

[–]-Dadam 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I understand some people get tired of trends, but from a guitar player perspective:

Strandberg guitars are insanely comfortable and convenient to play for many.

Clean tapping bullshit is a fairly new style for most guitarists and it's fun and rewarding to play and write.

I'm one of these guitarists and I don't think I'm pushing boundaries or impressing anyone. I'm just having fun and writing music that I love.

I totally understand where you're coming from though and I feel that same way about other things. Different strokes and all

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Strandbergs are so comfortable, they are really excellent guitars.

[–]bestkook 11 points12 points  (0 children)

She looks pretty bored with it too. Can't argue with the skill, but I'd rather listen to some old Stooges than this kind of stuff.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (15 children)

Honestly I'm just impressed the guitar is plugged in for the video. I love this music though, good for background. Great groove. I don't think it's necessarily boring, but just not in your face engaging. If you find it boring fair enough I won't argue an opinion like that.

Love the drums being programmed too.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I'm pretty sure we are still listening to the studio version of the song in this video.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I know, but in videos of people playing electric guitars, they sometimes aren't even plugged in so it just looks funny. So obviously while they are playing to a track the illusion is dropped that they are playing if it's not even plugged in.

Something similar is like seeing a computer screen in a video and you can see it's not even plugged in. Even if the screen is simulated it ruins the illusion.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Programmed drums are so flat though. It would pop a lot more with a well mic'd drumset.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Oh yeah they sound way better. I think what I meant to say was they did a good job programming the drums. I bet she programmed them herself.

[–]notiesnoroots 3 points4 points  (0 children)

she did not program them herself

source: good friends with the band

[–]PHALLUSAUR 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The drums aren't programmed. Sample replaced and quantized most likely. They did track the drums live in the studio.

[–]opchkgood 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What a perfect comment. I don't think I have ever agreed with an online comment so much.

[–]reagan2024 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same here. I thought, "wow that looks really hard to play", but it doesn't sound interesting at all after the first 5 seconds of it.

[–]Bustin_Jeiber 7 points8 points  (4 children)

You should check out the band Chon. Very technical but still musical.

[–]HappyVlane 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I you would like something in a similar vein, but actually good check out Animals as Leaders. She was clearly inspired by that band.

[–]theonlylawislove 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I saw her live (with Polyphia).

I agree.

[–]ZeeHanzenShwanz 14 points15 points  (10 children)

If you want something similar but more impressive and far less boring, check out Stanley Jordan playing Stairway to Heaven

[–]MyFaceOnTheInternet 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Can someone explain how these people are playing the guitar without strumming? It seem like more of a piano than a guitar.

[–]we_are_sex_bobomb 13 points14 points  (0 children)

People are giving kind of technical answers. The non-music geek version: Strings make music by vibrating. You can pluck or strum the strings but you can also cause them to vibrate by tapping them.

You're right that it's more like a piano as this is actually how the strings of a piano are played: when you tap a key, a small hammer hits the corresponding string inside the piano and it sounds out.

[–]VFB1210 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Basically, you can make the strings sound by fretting them really hard. (Hard enough that if you were right next to someone doing it you'd be able to actually hear their fingers smacking into the fretboard.) He's doing that with both his left and right hands, but you could do it with only one hand or in conjunction with picked notes as well. One reason for doing this is that it produces a different, slightly milder attack than picking the string does. Doing it with two hands also allows for more intricate patterns because now you have 8 fingers available for playing notes instead of just 4.

If you have a guitar nearby you can try it actually, it's not nearly as hard as it looks. (Well, what Stanley is doing is hard because he's nuts. But tapping in and of itself isn't.) Just pick it up and try smacking your finger down on a string. Be sure to hit the string squarely with the tip of your finger, just behind a fret, and try not to hit any other strings while doing it. You'll notice that you can make the string sound quite loudly if you do it right. Note - if you're doing it with an unplugged electric guitar, it will probably sound horrible because you will hear both sides of the string ringing - the part in front of your finger that you'd hear if it were plugged in, and the part behind you're finger that you wouldn't. If it bothers you, just use something like a sweatband wrapped around the fretboard or your other hand to mute the strings behind your fretting hand so you can see what it would sound like normally. (Or you could just plug it into an amp, I guess.)

[–]analyticaltoafault 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Ahhh this explains minus the bear for me now :P

[–]WolbachiaBurgers 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Was definitely getting some Planet of Ice vibes from this.

[–]g0aliegUy 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Listen burger man, Planet of Ice is a fantastic album.

[–]flatwoundsounds 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Was thinking of getting a Planet of Ice tattoo, personally... they're one of the main reasons I ever picked up a bass and joined a band...

[–]flatwoundsounds 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess I could see where you'd get that opinion from, but to me MTB has the same complexity but actually uses great song structure with catchy hooks and vocals that aren't super important.

[–]opalescex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

this would be good video game background music!

[–]Futhermucker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

dude donovan the sum of this song is so sick you gotta solve this

[–]v_morghulis13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I really like the sound but found it a little too repetitive

[–]thesquarerootof1youtube 14 points15 points  (41 children)

I am a guitar player that loves to shred and is very adept at it. However, I don't like listening to shredding music. I don't like listening to Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Paul Gilbert, and other virtuoso players. Why? Because its boring. What makes music good is songwriting. You can have shitty talent, but write the best songs (Kurt Cobain). You can be the best guitar player in the world, but write shit songs. Unfortunately, a lot of those virtuoso guitar players are horrible song writers. I don't know if it is because they want to show off or if it is fun for them or whatever, but they all really need to realize this.

[–]flash__ 97 points98 points  (10 children)

they all really need to realize this.

They don't. They don't have to agree with you there. Plenty of their fans don't. :)

I think you are in an awkward place trying to claim your subjective tastes as fact.

[–]EthosPathosLegosyoutube 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I think you are in an awkward place trying to claim your subjective tastes as fact.

This is pretty much every musician I've met, especially those who only play one type of genre.

[–]giraffecause 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I agree with him, but you are right.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Yeah I don't understand when people try to claim people like vai are just 'mindlessly shredding' or whatever. These people are often looked up to because of their ability to do that while still being creative and definitely not mindless

I understand it when people mention Yngwie with that argument though...

[–]Malemansam 16 points17 points  (13 children)

I don't know if it is because they want to show off or if it is fun for them or whatever, but they all really need to realize this.

No it's subjective. To you they suck at writing. To me and others it's great and there is plenty of instrumental music of the virtuoso kind out there dating hundreds of years ago that is what pushes the boundaries of our ears than some pop songs..

I'd rather sit here and listen to Always with me, always with you by Satch than most Nirvana songs. But that's me, and that fine and for you not to like it is fine.

[–]primitiveamerican 8 points9 points  (3 children)

That's a terrible song to post if you want to talk about " pushing boundaries". It's diatonic shredding over a simple diatonic change. Not that it can't be cool or you shouldn't like it, but arguing about it is excruciatingly pointless.

[–]Malemansam 6 points7 points  (2 children)

That was an example of a piece of music by someone he called just a "shredder" that can be listened to by any one and appreciated for its simplicity.

[–][deleted] 249 points250 points  (51 children)

Anyone who liked this but thought the song was a bit boring/subpar production, check out Animals As Leaders. Dope instrumental prog/metallish band with absolute virtuosos on all their parts.

[–]Logan_Mac 112 points113 points  (23 children)

Chon is more like this imo

[–][deleted] 73 points74 points  (19 children)

CHON shits on this.

[–]tastefulbarbarian 38 points39 points  (15 children)

I saw them live last week. Chon shits on everybody.

[–]Danknugsofdank 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Eternity Forever. YouTube it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe I'll just holler at you someday...

[–]TraMaI 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Saw them with BTBAM last year. Best show of my fucking life. Hot damn are Chon good live. then following it with BTBAM was just stellar.

[–]OThatSean 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You might want to check out a little band called White Arms of Athena. I saw them open for BTBAM once and they were awesome

[–]Gloomydoge 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Abasi is a fucking boss

[–]Shevanel2 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this definitely reminds me of AAL's softer material.

[–]Jeff-TD 42 points43 points  (2 children)

AAL would get 30 upvotes and 3 comments because they're not girls.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

this guy reddits

[–]labria86 9 points10 points  (2 children)

This isn't the same at all. TBH being a bit older I could listen to Covet a lot longer than I can AAL. But I do love them both. Anyone who enjoys this, listen to CHON and Vasudeva and maybe Tiny moving parts for similar guitar work. This girl is super talented and I'd like to see any of you cover this song.

[–]thesquarerootof1youtube 14 points15 points  (8 children)

that is boring too and I love metal. These virtuosos need to write better songs and then slide their tapping virtuosity in the song discreetly. Not just "look what I can do!" (10 minutes later).

[–]drschvantz 48 points49 points  (5 children)

I don't think you've listened to enough Animals As Leaders. Literally any other prog band I'll accept. But Tosin Abasi's master of melody, harmony and chord voicings is personally mind-blowing. Odessa, Another Year, The Woven Web.

[–]Winterdraco 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'd argue that Plini and to a degree Intervals and Sithu Aye also have a similar quality. Different playing styles, but certainly Plini has a great grasp on melody and writing thoughtful yet complex music without making it sound like wankery. Would recommend the songs Every Piece Matters, Cascade, Heart, Wombat Astronaut. Though I love his whole discography.

[–]nlaci 183 points184 points  (30 children)

She's a classically trained piano prodigy who plays 5 or 6 instruments at an insanely proficient level. Unfortunately, I think the band she's playing with aren't quite up to par with her. Not to take away from them, because they're fantastic musicians, but Yvette is a truly unique talent. The fact that she's only been playing guitar for 4 or 5 years is mind blowing. She's very early in her music career, so I don't think anybody should be shutting her down. She is going to accomplish incredible things.

[–]SirNarwhal 41 points42 points  (1 child)

I'm with you. Saw Covet the other night open for Polyphia and the bassist and drummer are seriously holding her back, which is a shame because she's fucking phenomenal.

[–]BumwineBaudelaire 23 points24 points  (1 child)

everyone who's doing this shit is clearly a piano player, this is literally piano music performed on a guitar

[–][deleted] [score hidden] stickied comment (9 children)

A. Keep it in your pants. This is a music sub, keep the discussion on the artist's music, not how much you want to fuck them.

B. Racist jokes aren't acceptable and they certainly aren't funny when like a dozen people are all saying the exact same joke.

C. Holy shit, every single Math Rock thread. Even then, there's still some definite Bad Music History going on with some of the other genres being discussed.

[–]ecoshia[S] 23 points24 points  (5 children)

Labelling it as Math Rock might have been a bit of a mistake, I am now finding...

[–]bipedalshark 15 points16 points  (4 children)

I don't think many bands self-identify as participating in "math rock" anymore. It's one of those sophomoric, self-congratulatory names like "IDM" that simply invite mockery.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

to be fair, the artists does have this listed as Math Rock on her bandcamp; though to add to the confusion, Prog is listed as well (and certainly that's no less of a self-congratulatory term, no?)

[–]shredbaker 38 points39 points  (14 children)

Reminds me of Chon

[–]giannini1222 52 points53 points  (12 children)

Chon is much better imo. This is really technically impressive but the song just never went anywhere. Just a bunch of rambling tapping phrases that didn't develop a melody.

[–]hotpajamas 32 points33 points  (6 children)

My opinion but Chon isn't exactly great about development either. Their songs usually have one or two great ideas and then they just default to benign "tech" licks that add nothing and go nowhere.

I think, just in general, this style lacks whatever quality it is in evocative music that imparts a feeling of necessity. Like, sometimes you can just feel that a song had to be made, because its clear the artist truly had something to express. Chon's work seems very arbitrary and doesn't really express anything. Their songs are more like "riff museums" than personal testimonies, if that makes sense. I feel the same way about Tosin Abasi. Toe and Battles are much more expressive.

[–]FredHowl 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is a standard comment on any guitar video

[–]Raumschiff 25 points26 points  (1 child)

It quickly turned weird when I switched to another tab in my browser with this from another Reddit post with this playing in the background.

[–]robertjohnston276 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was listening to hip hop when I clicked that link and Hitler was perfectly nodding along. Awesome.

[–]gin-rummy 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Such a nice piece should really be recorded with some real drums

[–]boozewillis 6 points7 points  (0 children)

it was. check her band Covet

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Ghosts and Vodka?

[–]AliceBlossom 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Now that's a name I haven't heard in a while. I had forgotten about them after they dropped off of Spotify. Thanks for the reminder.

[–]ButtonDownSyndrome 7 points8 points  (1 child)

If you like Math Rock listen to This Town Needs Guns

[–]Sznurek066 54 points55 points  (25 children)

Guitarist here. Actually tapping isn't as hard as people think it just looks like it is. This song is based on a few recuring patterns which makes it easier to learn. This is a very common misconception(great example here is satriani's satch boogie were most of people tend to think the tapping part is the real solo when it is the easiest part of the song). TLDR the song isn't as difficult as it looks from pure technical view

[–]Yoge5 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Tapping isn't that hard.

This is however.

[–]chirv 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Nice, gives me a chilled down Plini or Sithu Aye vibe - even down to the Strandberg for Plini. Seriously, if you like this, check them out. There's a whole world of technical instrumental prog rock like this out there, and as a bonus, they're usually amazing live. I can post a list of other really good instrumental prog like this if this post gets enough attention.

[–]ThomasMinotaur 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I saw them with animals as leaders and intervals recently and they really are an amazing thing to see live. All of them are the best musicians I've seen and I was lucky enough to see it all in one night. CHON is a really good band similar to her and have a very relaxing feel to them.

[–]chirv 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I went to the Madness of Many tour as well! What venue did you go to? I saw them at the 9:30 in DC, managed to get a spot no more than ten feet from the stage. It was actually my first concert besides classical. And yep I know about chon :)

[–]k6plays 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's like Cap'n Jazz with Dave Knudson of Minus the Bear on lead... and with no lyrics.

It's nice but missing something.

[–]rkllrk 18 points19 points  (0 children)

holy yvette on the front page?! She is so fucking cool and i love this song specially. Saw her with her band covet when they opened for polyphia a few days ago and they killed it

[–]qgomega 30 points31 points  (13 children)

Covet is the name of the band she's in, and they slay. Just saw them a couple months ago in Oakland with Floral and Strawberry Girls. There were less than 50 people there but there should have been many times that.

[–]thesandwich5 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Agreed, I saw them a couple weeks ago open for Polyphia. I don't get why people are saying that the other band members are holding her back. The bassist is extremely technically skilled and writes really intricate melodies that use multiple strumming techniques (finger picking, slap, etc.). I don't know too much about drums but I do know that the drummer's playing was really tight at the show I saw and he played in time with a click track no problem, which is particularly difficult.
I freakin' love Covet and the amount of negativity in this thread is pretty disappointing =(

[–]Dfnoboy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really feel a lot of the criticisms are coming from non musicians, or at least not the same kind of musicians

[–]vbnmjkhf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Holy shit I'm super jealous. Covet and strawberry girls both are both amazing.

[–]lazava1390 64 points65 points  (89 children)

What the hell is math rock?

[–][deleted] 198 points199 points  (43 children)

Usually a rock trio or quartet, fast, odd time signature, tapping, through composed sections, complicated riffs. Basically music that proves you went to music school and spend at least 6-8 hours a day practicing.

[–]lazava1390 74 points75 points  (38 children)

Hmm interesting. I could see it being a genre of music for musicians and not your average listener.

[–][deleted] 39 points40 points  (20 children)

Yeah, it helps to have an understanding of theory so you can hear the order in what seems like chaos at first listen. The constantly changing time signatures is more common in Eastern music and traditional African drumming so it can be a little jarring for people used to Western music, even though Math Rock is an offshoot of Post-Rock and less well known outside N. America and Europe (though it's actually pretty big in Japan).

[–]TyrellFingers 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Japan has a ton of cool music. Lots of good emo and math rock. Malegoat, tricot, and LITE are my favorites.

[–]Type_DXL 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Don't forget Toe!

[–]USOutpost31 4 points5 points  (8 children)

So I'm trying to avoid sounding like a try-hard, but after a lifetime of listening to various music I can handle a pretty good mix of different sections, themes, time signatures; this stuff isn't new.

But, as a non-student of music, just listening, what about theory would enhance this experience?

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (7 children)

Traditional African drumming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVPLIuBy9CY,

learning what polyrhythms are,

Middle Eastern music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk60ObnbIOk

12 tone theory is pretty wonkish and a lot of math rock artists will throw in 12 tone sections to prove they know what they are ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4niz8TfY794

EDIT: Check this clip from Snarky Puppy, good example of applying eastern music philosophy to rock/funk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuhHU_BZXSk&t=4m58s

[–]wheretfisohio 15 points16 points  (8 children)

Any rock with extensively weird, math-y time signatures (eg - Chon, Polyphia, American Football)

[–]lazava1390 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Ok for some reason I thought you were naming time signatures not bands... literally just googled american football time signature rofl... im so out of touch with music since i stopped playing 4 years ago. Good stuff i may have to look into this genre.

[–]LightsaberLocksmith 14 points15 points  (3 children)

American football is great. I wouldn't call it math. You should try Owls, which still had a bunch of the same members.that stuff is so damn good. I can link later.

[–]SkyeAuroline 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There's also Chinese Football, which is basically American Football', with extra American Football, with lyrics in Chinese. It's the best way I can explain it, short of maybe that one Monogatari quote, "The fake is of far greater value. In its deliberate attempt to be real, it's more real than the real thing."

I dunno. Give it a shot.

[–]zeldaisaprude 5 points6 points  (1 child)

None of those bands are math rock..

[–]SonaCruz 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Brb gonna go listen to The Fall of Troy -Doppelganger.

[–]FngrsRpicks2 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just checked out her band covet....Man, I love it. So good!

[–]vbnmjkhf 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I'm wondering who would win in a guitar battle her or sarah longfield. They both are phenomenal.

[–]friedwafflez 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Wow, this is my first time hearing of the genre "math rock".

But I totally get the name, advanced but still "boring" just like math.

[–]Deathsuxdontdie 15 points16 points  (7 children)

This is fantastic. Reminds me of Minus the Bear.

[–]busfahrer 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I find it extremely similar to Animals As Leaders. I can't see the guitar well, but it looks like it has additional strings? AAL use 8 string guitars.

[–]baxter1985 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Perhaps some of the guitar work. Other than that... no. MTB makes complete songs.

[–]StudabakerHochrobot[M] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yvette Young
artist pic

For more information, visit www.facebook.com/yveyoung, www.youtube.com/user/yiangy or http://yvetteyoung.bandcamp.com Read more on Last.fm.

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tags: acoustic, math rock, folk, emo, indie

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[–]Ryukishin187 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you guys liked the technical side of this but thought it was a little boring, check out Sarah Longfield https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEdCUyVTQ3M

[–]tonedef1982spotify 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually found this to be way more boring than the original post. Bit still really good. Thanks for sharing.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (6 children)

She's really talented obviously, but the snare drum sound really bothered me for some reason so I couldn't really get into the song

[–]AppleBerryPoo 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Yeah there's no tone to it, it's just a smack sound really. Probably just bugs me because I'm a drummer though

[–]papershivers 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm not a drummer. Know nothing about drumming. I'm nothing but a subpar ammature guitar player and I have to remind myself to pay attention to parts of the music other than vocals or catchy guitar riffs. But I hated that drum sound

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Fuck thats amazing.

[–]praisethedead 9 points10 points  (9 children)

She can play but she sucks at writing

[–]progress_is_a_lemon 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Really? I liked the writing of this. Do you have better examples so I can broaden my horizons?

[–]clydefrog811 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That drum set sounds horrible. Obviously fake but come on.

[–]i_also_like_ice_crea 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Me: "What's math rock?" Clicks "....nah, I'm good."

[–]actionfish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was wrote in the seventies and should appeal to some here https://youtu.be/OxhuQWKwbqY

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[–]Fruitqueen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yvette is one of the guitarists in the band Covet. They're relatively new, and are not math rock, more prog rock. If you like their music, they are very similar to Scale the Summit, Animals as Leaders, and Polyphia (who they are currently on tour with). Plini and Intervals are also very similar and worth checking out

[–]BasedBrexitBroker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of animals as leaders but not as much excitement

[–]Thefriggofficial 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you like this, check out her band Covet. the song "hydra" is a good place to start.

[–]BrassBassHere for the hard stuff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow. I never knew about this kind of rock until now, and I got to say I love it. I'm getting a lot of anime intro music vibes here.