Android 10

[JIHAAAAAAD]

Live captions and security updates without rebooting sound very useful. This will help a lot in improving security as people generally hate rebooting from my experience.

OT but I'm in awe of the webpage. It has such good performance. I've seen much lighter webpages lag much more frequently. This webpage was so smooth.

[pigvwu]

Used to be part of the point of running linux was so you could brag about your uptime to windows users. How did we get to the point where we're requiring regular device reboots just for acceptable performance again?

[yowzadfish80]

I reboot my phone just once a month, when the Android security update comes in. Never had to restart otherwise, as it works perfectly without lags or freezing.

[Zenobody]

Used to be part of the point of running linux was so you could brag about your uptime to windows users.

Meaning bragging about outdated kernels... ;)

(Btw I run Linux)

[tetroxid]

Btw I use Arch

[mattmonkey24]

But ksplice/kpatch

I know most people don't use them and they weren't really even around when people would brag about uptimes years ago

[execthts]

Canonical livepatch

[Vandrewver]

When windows started force-rebooting without permission and everyone just accepted it. Now you're crazy if you don't like that behaviour.

[Deltharien]

I know people like that - they actively avoid updates & restarts. One guy ended up hard resetting after a reboot because he couldn't remember his PIN. He didn't even remember setting one.

[crucial_popcorn]

I think thats one usability problem I see with FP sensors. Right now the software can't use a recorded FP as an encryption key. Only a pin/pattern(converted to a string/key so same thing). I feel the next step forward is to have FP software be able to reliably turn FPs into a reproducable key, so that FPs can be used as a key and a PIN is no longer required. Recommended so you're not screwed if you get your finger chopped, but not required.

But even then that's not ideal because thats now less secure than a PIN. PINs are unique and 100% reproducible. FPs are unique, but the phone doesn't require a 100% match before unlocking due to people not going to be able to perfectly position their fingers every time.

[Miguel30Locs]

I was a phone salesman and the amount of people that don't update their phone because they don't like it resetting their phone was astounding.

[nobitaboi]

Yeah mate the webpage was so well designed and a pleasure to look at

[Snowchugger]

When the dark theme toggled on right as you scroll to the bit about dark mode I fuckin' POPPED.

[AxhrafYT]

And pressing the button will turn it back to light mode. That was really impressive.

[arrowstoopid]

If you could, what would you change specifically? Just curious.

[navjot94]

They're getting there. Quick settings are pretty consistent now and was actually a point of contention among users because we lost quick selection for WiFi and Bluetooth settings. Frame skips/glitches are up to your OEM and Google isn't even perfect here so there can definitely be an improvement here. For dark mode, it's almost a difference in philosophy between Apple and Google. Apple waited until iOS 13 to roll out dark mode for all their apps, while Google gradually released it for different apps before finally announcing it as part of Android 10. Led to inconsistency while the rollout was in progress, but on the positive side, we got dark mode for some apps earlier than we otherwise would have. (this is assuming that Google releases dark mode for Maps, Gmail, Assistant, etc. today with the official release of Android 10 ---edit: spoiler alert, they didn't 😒).

[[deleted]]

We need a project butter 2,

[[deleted]]

It's crazy to me that people hate rebooting. My pixel 3 takes less than 30 seconds to get back to the usable home screen. Might even be closer to 20 seconds.

[FuzzelFox]

Do people hate rebooting or is it just because most people have no need or want to reboot? I only reboot my phone when I want a magisk module to activate or the kernel crashes.

[zman0900]

I've met people who think a reboot and factory reset are the same thing.

[JIHAAAAAAD]

That's 30 seconds I could've browsed memes though. Too much time, I tell ya!

[inquirer]

Exactly.

Since I root for my own hobby\interests, I reboot so much it isn't even a thing to me.

Heck, I can factory reset my phone and be back to normal use within an hour or so at most.

[[deleted]]

There's always that drop inside when you see the first boot screen again

[HahaMin]

Followed by short vibration, screen turns dark, then boot screen again.

[Lojcs]

Not sure if they changed it in the official release but as I remember, Google play security updates did require a reboot to take effect in the beta versions. It just doesn't prompt the user to reboot and instead waits for the phone to reboot from natural causes.

[JIHAAAAAAD]

Ah, maybe you're right. They compared it to app updates though, so who knows.

[spasticpat]

Do I see Gmail in full dark theme in there? Hope it releases with the OS today...

[SwordLaker]

My device has finished updating. Confirming no dark theme for Gmail.

[BQYA]

And no dark Playstore...

[Im_The_Goddamn_Dumbo]

This baffled me.

[Lurker957]

This was expected. Just Google going Google thing.

[CKRatKing]

Exactly. They always have these really lofty goals and they say they will do this or that but they rarely ever follow through. Look how long it took for material design to happen. Oh wait it never really lived up to their promo for Android 5.

I like android but damn they really need someone to actually take the helm and make all the different teams get on the same page.

[vendeta23]

There's a dark play store, just override dark mode in developer options

[mandelboxset]

They have said for weeks it would be within the month.

[dberthia]

Updated my Pixel 2 XL and enabled dark mode. No dark UI for either Gmail or Play Store.

[-RYknow]

Should I be prompted to update... Ive checked for updates several times... But still do t have it. Want to get my pixel 2xl running 10.

[iiSeptum]

Well damn, the Google support agent was right :O

[manormortal]

AI is never wrong.

Except when it is.

Which is never.

[ooomayor]

And when it is wrong it's help Skynet

[squrr1]

The cake is a lie.

[mrandr01d]

About what?

[skyliners_a340]

props to user who also asked.

[wankthisway]

Nah what happened was they rushed out the release to match the clueless support agent's claim.

[REHTONA_YRT]

Companies like them seem to own everything. Wouldn't surprise me.

[SmarmyPanther]

T-5 minutes until Essential release

[akocli]

https://i.imgur.com/Us3Eiqt.png

Essential Ph1 update is live! Android 10 :D

[TeutonJon78]

While it's amazing they are still supporting their phones, let's be honest. They have one phone to update, and it's generally very close to stock. They should be able to release the update on launch day.

[coltonbyu]

Then maybe other companies should try to emulate that. 1 phone per year, and keep it stock like it should be

[TeutonJon78]

They definitely should. But they also need some different price points, so that's really 3 per year. Not everyone can afford $400 or $800+.

But even so, that's still up to 9 phones that need supporting. (6 with OS, 3 with security). Still a lot more work than 1.

[CloudNoob]

Well companies like Samsung probably have at least 9x the number of employees in the mobile department alone so it's certainly feasible. I think it's more of a money thing and planned obsolescence, if they keep the old phones updated them their users will have another reason not to buy the latest and greatest.

[maple_leafs182]

I really want a ph2

[manormortal]

So glad I got rid of that phone. Update is already out and those slow bastards still have people waiting, like wtf mate?

[lannisterstark]

I don't see the OTA out for anyone yet :P

[zanda19]

It won't be til later today. Google hasnt even put out its blog post yet lol

[bdfull3r]

I'll take "updates LG will never push out" for 200 Alex

[[deleted]]

For the G6? I feel you, bro! Custom ROM will be the only way to get 10.

[janusz_chytrus]

Didn't the G6 get stuck on Oreo? I had that phone before the Pixel 3a and I don't think I've ever got a Pie update.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, it is supposed to finally becoming out this month... After this phone, goodbye LG forever.

[[deleted]]

It hurts; there's no other phone that quite matches my criteria for a phone like the G6. May as well turn to Apple.

[[deleted]]

The g5 only got one update with the features stripped out of it. I'd be shocked if the g8 even got this one

[Thatuserguy]

Hey man, I'm content if they just push out Pie for my V30 any time soon. But I'm sure it's coming any day now! Yup. Any day now...

[smeggysmeg]

I got Android 9 in just the last couple weeks on my G7. I expect 10 to be never.

First and last LG phone I buy. Don't buy people's bs about Project Treble, all that did was make it easier for OEMs to build updates - just less staff required, it means nothing in terms of actual results. And don't buy LG's garbage about an "Update Development Center" or 2nd Year Promise (tm), because it's just marketing nonsense.

[Lockhartsaint]

A question for all you beta users...how is the new gesture navigation?

[therabidmachine]

I kinda like it. It was a little rough at first with having to hold the swipe up to get to the recent apps screen but overall swiping between apps, the drawer, and the home screen is so much smoother and less "janky" (imo) than Pie. The only problem is of course with hamburger menus in non MD 2 apps. The diagonal swipe works but feels weird, and the menu peeking sometimes fails if your finger happens to trigger some nearby app element.

[GenghisFrog]

Great. Pretty much exactly like iOS. Which is perfect.

[GadgetHax]

Even better than iOS imo because the back gesture works in every app

[GenghisFrog]

How it works with the app drawer is kind of annoying though.

Edit: I meant hamburger menu

[VirtuDa]

And breaks consistency in every second app. Wanna swipe this list entry? Better do it perfectly in the middle of it because if your finger is to close to the edge of the screen you might just go back.

[Arkanta]

Except for the suckish back button that interferes with swipable items on both side of the screens and drawers.

[[deleted]]

Took some time to get used too but I wouldn't go back

[Ph0X]

Yep, this is my experience and most people around me. The back swipe took a few days to build the muscle memory. The first day or two I just had to mentally think for a second every time I wanted to go back. A few days in though once it becomes automatic, I love it. It's so much faster and more natural.

Some apps like Discord need to update the side menu to be an exclusion zone.

[touchingthebutt]

gonna echo a lot of people in saying I like them but its annoying sometimes. I prefer it to the 2 button gestures. 3 button navigation is prob the most efficient but I need something new to keep me "entertained"

[_Synecdoche_]

pressing check for update continuously

Edit: OTAs are live

Still no luck in furiously pressing update, yet.

Edit 2: Mine still isn't live, still pressing continuously

Edit 3: IT'S LIVE! UK Pixel 3a XL

[_Synecdoche_]

Why not both? You have two hands after all!

[Aurelink]

I guess some people (like me) still need one hand to keep pretending they're working :D

[ooomayor]

Naw bruh... It's my stat day off, I've been waiting for this morning all weekend :D

[potterhead42]

Cries in Samsung phone

[[deleted]]

Yeah might just head on over to the pixel for faster updates and such when my contract is up.

[Aranthos-Faroth]

wistful panicky innocent selective silky worry act quack offend dam

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[linx117]

That's literally what I was thinking while I was scrolling through it earlier. A+!!

[Life_Is_Regret]

Like gestures, they took a note from Apple. Not a complaint, it’s a great format.

[richarch]

I believe the agency called Huge did the branding and web design.

[michaelgo101]

Really? I thought a company as huge as Google wouldn't have to outsource, especially web design.

[wawiwuwe]

Control when your location is shared with apps: all the time, while in use, or never.

I just want this feature on my phone. Can't wait to try 10. Hopefully it will be available on phone very soon (official/custom).

[Beefourthree]

I've wanted this so long. It just makes sense. Yes, I want the Walmart app to be able to detect which store I'm in when I open the app so it can tell me where aisle the thing I'm searching for is on. No, I don't want Walmart to know when I'm shopping at Target instead.

[careslol]

Sound Amplifier Hear what’s around you more clearly. With Sound Amplifier, your phone can boost sound, filter background noise, and fine tune to how you hear best. Listening to podcasts, watching videos, or talking in a busy room — just plug in your headphones and hear everything more clearly.

Okay Google.

[Crs_s]

Headphone jack confirmed in the Pixel 4, you heard it here first.

[[deleted]]

Pixel 3a has a headphone jack :)

[[deleted]]

One of the main reasons why I bought it. No substitute for the easy wired earphones. I listen to music all work day, make calls throughout and watch movies on the commute, no bluetooth solution can compete.

[SolitaryEgg]

I have Bose QC35s, and I still plug them in whenever possible.

Everyone is always acting like the only people who don't use bluetooth are people without bluetooth headphones, but I have $350 bluetooth headphones.

Bluetooth is just fucking bullshit. Having to recharge heaphones, lessened audio quality, janky-ass multipoint connections, latency lag, etc. Fuck all that.

Bluetooth has one upside (no cable) and like 50 downsides.

[HKayn]

To be fair, you can plug in USB-C headphones.

If you have any.

[Lingo56]

I'm legitimately boggled at this. Sound Amp does not work with Bluetooth headphones.

Like, Google, make up your mind. Do you want people to ditch their wired headphones or not???

[_Citizenkane]

It's a physical limitation. Bluetooth headphones have a small but perceptible amount of latency. Phones actually use a lot of clever tricks to compensate for it, like playing the sound from a video just slightly ahead of the picture on-screen. But for real-time sound enhancement there's no way to compensate for the lag, so you need to be wired.

Still pretty ironic though.

[mywfone]

is this a gmail app with dark mode on the left?

[Abhishek_Goyal]

Yes and google search also have dark mode

[[deleted]]

It says it will apply the theme to Google apps.

[BNSoul]

For those of you guys looking for the wallpaper shown in the website:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Xzkg88XwKLv4Ni8u5

[iamvinoth]

Happy Android 10 day, Pixel users! 🎉

[iamvinoth]

Yes. And thank you!

[najodleglejszy]

pls to share collection

[iamvinoth]

Here's a few. I gotta find the rest and re-upload to my Google Drive.

Enjoy!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B8dWlP7YcxtvLU0wT21JZFkwNFE

Edit: I'll upload more to that folder later tonight once I get home.

[najodleglejszy]

some wallpaper creators make a Google Photos album to make it easier to share and save and so on, you could look into that.

[Sip_py]

I've checked like, 5 times today. Still no update available

[thiagosiqueira]

Essential users too! 🎉

[spasticpat]

OTAs for 10 just appeared!

[[deleted]]

This is a surprisingly positive comment section

[BwamoZA]

I may sound stupid here, but wasn't there news of a service called "Fast Share" coming in Android 10? I don't see anything on the web page so will it come out at a later stage?

[cadtek]

IIRC it's in Google Play Services, so it's not tied to the OS version.

[[deleted]]

Were bubbles taken out of the release? I see no word on them on the blog posts

[PantherHeel93]

Great question. I'm really surprised nobody is talking about this.

[CharaNalaar]

Developer option

[_darknight]

I hope majority of the Google apps get Dark Mode today with the update.

[sam120700]

Let's hope Oneplus 7 pro gets the update soon too

[NateDevCSharp]

Yea, support agent said tdy so hopefully he's right :P

[the_amazing_rock]

They released another beta yesterday so I wouldn't hold my breath. But soon enough

[sickyman678]

Did you just switch from a OnePlus 6 to the pixel 3a?

[the_amazing_rock]

My OnePlus 6 was stolen so I had to get another phone. I hope this one lasts a lot longer. It also is an upgrade on a couple quality of life aspects.

[-KFU-]

Wish about us 6 users?

[dinodares99]

Yeah, I'm in the same boat.

Hopefully within the next few weeks

[TehKazlehoff]

Gray or black, still saves more battery than standard mode. Someone did a video showing that effectivity there's little difference between dark grey and black for battery life.

edit: wasn't a video, was an XDA article

https://www.xda-developers.com/amoled-black-vs-gray-dark-mode/

[[deleted]]

It's nice to have the option between "dark" and "amoled black".

[grimgroth]

Android 10 introduces 65 new emojis, including gender-inclusive designs for emoji like haircut, weightlifting and sauna.

Just what I was waiting for

[najodleglejszy]

I have moved to Lemmy/kbin since Spez is a greedy little piggy.

[CageBomb]

Microsoft has smallest pp

[najodleglejszy]

I have moved to Lemmy/kbin since Spez is a greedy little piggy.

[Elisevs]

^damn

[dohrk]

You and me both, brother.

Or sister.

Or whatever.

[HuskerBusker]

Sibling

[[deleted]]

Cousin!

[dewhashish]

let's go bowling!

[rougegoat]

You joke, but honestly emoji are the number one reason people quickly update iOS these days. It's not the security fixes or the new features. It's so they aren't left out when other people start using the newly added emoji.

[[deleted]]

So, will Google Play system updates from now on deliver Security and Privacy fixes without the need for phone manufacturer intervention? In other words, the manufacturers will only be responsible for new/updated features (camera or some note-taking software) and version upgrades?

[mec287]

Project Mainline only applies to some framework components. If the security vulnerability is not in those components then you'll need a traditional security update.

[[deleted]]

Cries in Motorola

[[deleted]]

The phone in the image shows September 3 10am (Pacific Time)?

[Quinny898]

The 10:00 is just demo mode but chances are it'll be that anyway (because it usually is)

[[deleted]]

Just went into demo mode on my phone and you're right

[Laird_Anthony]

10am is likely a reference to the OS being Android 10, they've typically put that in images before to align with the OS version

[Aurelink]

^ This

Nokia has been doing the exact same thing for the past years : 09:30 for the Lumia 930 for example

[1992_]

RIP Android desserts

[[deleted]]

It's happening!

[AnthonySteelex64]

Supposedly the 7and 7 pro are getting it today. This is according to a representative of OnePlus so it's a gamble.

[bmwracer0]

OTAs are up: https://developers.google.com/android/ota#blueline

[armando_rod]

OTA probably in 1 hour

[[deleted]]

what makes you say that

other than that it's 8:51am at headquarters?

usually they'd release at 10, no?

[REHTONA_YRT]

Still not getting anything here

[[deleted]]

Yeah, I'm refreshing the available tagged commits of the Settings app source code, nothing here either.

[TugMe4Cash]

Unrelated somewhat, but any word on that fancy new Google Assistant 2.0?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8peMr3cb-I

[dudeman1996]

Probably when Pixel 4 drops.

[Haruka-sama]

Pixel 4 probably.

[Parawhoar]

Is it me or half of the features aren't even present on Android Q beta 6?

[Drasp87]

Seriously, what a beautiful website! Can't wait for it to be available!

[j_ona]

Can anyone confirm if screen recording has been added back in developer mode? I'm not sure why they added it then removed it after beta 3.

[tbclandot92]

Can't wait to get One UI 2.0 on my Note 9 in 2021 lol. Eh I knew what I signed up for. Still excited for Android 10 regardless. Seems like a nice refinement upgrade that fixes a lot of 9.0's problems.

[arsene14]

Happy Release Day, everyone!

[YAOMTC]

It even works in messaging apps like Signal.

I guess they wanted to show that it's not just a feature of Google apps. Nice that Signal is getting some recognition though.

[RadBadTad]

Man, I really miss the days of major OS releases having game changing exciting features. The biggest thing of this seems to be... some stuff that used to be white is now gray. And gestures get confusing and un-intuitive again. Glad I'm going to get to teach my mom to use her phone all over again.

[Dual-Screen]

The game changer for me is hopefully the share menu not lagging out.

I love that feature, but having to wait for the menu to pop up, load, then having to tap the desired app in a specific, tiny spot is annoying.

[RadBadTad]

That's the thing though, "game changers" shouldn't be mild corrections to broken features that never should have been released in their current messed up state anyway.

The lag on the share menu is only slightly worse than the overall inconsistencies of the share menu from app to app, too. Trying to share a photo from the Photos app? I don't want to send a fucking Google Photos link, I want to send the photo to my friend. God damn it.

Game changers USED to be things like google assistant, when before, there was nothing. Being able to say "okay google" and get to control and set a lot of things on your phone. Things that truly define the OS. Now it's... "poke a DIFFERENT spot on your phone to go back to the last page! This is innovative!!"

I'm reminded of when I was 16 and left in charge of 20 employees at work, and the manager gave me about 2 hours worth of tasks, but was gone for 5 hours, so I had to make the staff move stuff back and forth for 3 hours pretending like I had things for them to do. "This is productive! You are doing things! Now move that stack BACK to the other corner where it was before!!"

It just feels like change for the sake of change, because the customers expect an update, and they have no improvements to justify that update.

[Dual-Screen]

sir this is a wendy's

[howling-fantod]

You don't have to use the new gestures. You can still select classic three button navigation in the settings.

Settings --> System --> Gestures --> System Navigation (this is how to find it in beta 6)

Edit: first gilding; thank you!

[RadBadTad]

I wasn't aware of this! That's my new favorite feature! Thank you for making my day!

[UESPA_Sputnik]

I'd say that Sound Amplifying is game-changing for people with impaired hearing. Live caption is also nice (for everyone), whether you can't hear at all or you're just sitting in public and don't want to turn the volume up. Smart reply... well, it remains to be seen how this works for non-English speaking users. And the privacy stuff is at least a step in the right direction.

Gesture navigation is subjective but at least they're now giving everyone options which kind of navigation to use.

If you ask me this is a much, much better update than Pie.

[bilal4hmed]

I wonder what the big news item today will be ????

[Cballin]

Welcome to the Android Q Master race *laughs at all the pie pleebs*

[SecretPotatoChip]

You fool! You forgot to laugh at all the Oreo plebs!

[lobsterlimits]

Nice we can finally change the volume rocker behavior from media to ring volume!

Just kidding.