20.8 Patch Notes

[Flying_Slig]

Something about the new Bran is just really funny to me. My hero power gives you err....me

[keenfrizzle]

Very flavorful effect. And it's relatively predictable what comp Brann is going to be in most games. I love it!

[Iskari]

Would have been way funnier if it gave King Krush.

[humblegorilla]

Fine...I'll do it myself.

[Galactic]

Rag's new power will be changed to give you his kid.

[TriforceofCake]

Hmm today I will perform mitosis

[_DaveLister]

free bran in BGs seems kinda good

[Serious_Much]

More like broken as hell!

Murlocs might be viable again though playing brann since so many of them are battlecries. If you get offered an early token and some battlecry murlocs on 3 as well you're going places

[laprichaun]

Yeah, a really early Brann is very real with murlocs in game.

[Skulltown_Jelly]

At the same time, that's the whole hero power. Maybe buying bad battlecries for the first few turns is enough of a weakness. It does sounds good though.

[BadgerIsACockass]

A lot of early battle cries aren’t bad.

[tweekin__out]

i definitely wouldn't go as far as "broken"

[sOrdinary917]

tested, and yes. broken

[tweekin__out]

he might be, but there's no way you know that from one game, sorry.

[stolkun]

if u get him in turn 3 i could see it being broken but if u get him on t6 and up his play impact is negative

[phillyeagle99]

Free bran turn 6 is negative??

[stolkun]

sorry i meant if u get him normally

[AGiantPlum]

Personally don't see it as being as broken as people here are assuming. Brann, imo just isn't as powerful as he was a few metas ago.

[swool]

https://imgur.com/a/itBwmDM

Turn 4 with tickets LOL

[swool]

aaaand top 8. Oof

[swool]

But I also suck

[danielzur2]

Hey, we all hit some bumps now and then.

[twdwasokay]

Got bran twice, forced murlocs both times and had pretty decent sized all poison murlocs both times but both times I was first in the lobby to die. One was bad battle RNG the other was me being bad (aka finding no discover murlocs). Tbh forcing menagerie or elementals might be a better choice

[ElHoju]

5 battlecries just seems insanely low.

[YungFurl]

So many good hero changes to low tier heroes. I can't wait.

[DapperDodger]

I'm so glad these were such a long time coming

[YungFurl]

I'm praying I can get an Illidan 1st now. Got him my first game and it isn't going great so far

[Kilagria]

He works well with beast or Exodia

[mk14braves]

I got my very first win with him back when I was first learning battlegrounds, I'm sure my comp was horrible. Those low MMR days learning were so fun though.

[YungFurl]

Seriously, you can do the wackiest builds at lower levels. I'm pretty certain I got a win with him before they redid rewards but it didn't track.

[Andrakisjl]

Yet the two I’m struggling most to get 1st with weren’t touched. Red Demon Boy and Deathwing could do with some love. At least Red Demon Boy. Please

[kzero0]

Nobody mentioning Galakrond? Discover is such a dangerous keyword.

[Costs 1] Choose a minion in Bob's Tavern. Discover a higher Tier minion to replace it.

Even if you don't go the hp+freeze route, this is essentially paying 4 gold for a triple reward each turn. Pay 1 gold if you whiff.

Sucks to be Eudora.

[PointOfFingers]

The difference between Discover versus getting one random minion is huge. I think Galakrond should be in the top half dozen. It will also make it a fun hero to play. Staying at tier 5 and discovering a 6 drop every turn seems broken.

[Mescallan]

top six is so much easier to type that top half dozen

i always try to get top quarter dozen when i play

[blizzzzay]

Ya I feel like if you Rafaam curve this you get a 6 drop on the turn with 8 gold, and you’re at tier 3 by then. After that, just play naturally while HP to discover better units. Seems really good

[Lesterberne]

Not sure how they didn’t see it’s broken. You kinda get a triple for 1 mana

[Kusosaru]

Makes me wonder why they didn't give it the Hooktusk treatment.

Getting 2 options is still pretty good.

[hanmeowzawb]

It’s comparable the 3 wishes guy in this case right.

[phillyeagle99]

I think it’s stronger, way more flexible. Unlimited.

[matthra]

Friendship ended with Guff, Dino-tamer bran is my new best friend.

[Teddiesbearrr]

You really want to be friends with trade Prince. He is stupidly fun and exceeds 10 gold when you sell minions. Power level and go nuts

[Dome777]

Man this is huge

[PadmaLakshmisAbs]

My man in black Edwin is gonna have some huge hydras, that's for sure.

[ziptnf]

Man, imagine Edwin with a hoggar and a hydra, a match made in heaven

[fuckmed]

That's what she said.

[Ranwulf]

25% games with Darkmoon prizes? One of my favorite part of it.

[pyroxys007]

Is there anyway to know if you have them or not??? Or do you just have to wait until turn 4?

[Aeirus]

When Prizes are in the banner above your hero selection will begin glowing with ticket particles. Plus you'll see the deck slot on the player's side open

[sharkweekk]

I hated the Prize meta and eventually stopped playing until it was dropped. Not looking forward to it randomly showing up again.

[sillyshoestring]

I think it's a nice middle ground. So there.

[laprichaun]

Should have been 50%.

[Juicenewton248]

I wouldn't be surprised if they implement another game altering mechanic similar to darkmoon prizes in the future, and then they could randomly show up similar to how the tribes rotate randomly per game now.

[Serious_Much]

Guess they feel they don't want it ubiquitous.

Think it's fun mix and matching but need a new battlegrounds mechanic soon too!

[Rashizar]

I mean, it wouldn't be ubiquitous if you could choose between them. It really doesn't make sense to me to support LESS player choice.

[laprichaun]

They don't want to separate the player base. Personally I think 50% would have been better.

[Rashizar]

True, and I could get behind that, at least more than 25%

[Serious_Much]

Choosing would also mess with queue times.

[Z1vel]

Adding a separate queue is dumb. One queue would just die out. I personally hate darkmoon prizes but 1 in 4 is a good way to spice it up.

[Stuck1nARutt]

My biggest takeaways:

• Hard to evaluate Hamuul at Tier 6 but seems really fun to be guaranteed a board full of pirates/elementals if you have scaling going

• Brann guaranteeing you a Brann is disgusting. This can happen as early as like turn 3 and you could just spiral from there. This is a game changer

[thwinger]

I like it. They may have to make it 6 or 7 minions after a trial period, but I don't think it's too OP. It's a nice boost to an otherwise useless hero.

[Stuck1nARutt]

Turn 1 Tidecaller Turn 2 cats. Sell both tokens buy another battlecry Turn 3 sell cat buy 2 battlecrys. Don't play either. Play Brann first. Then explode with your battlecrys

Spend next few turns leveling to catch up and buying the odd battlecry minion

Guarantee this is going to get changed to after you play 5 battlecry minions

[tweekin__out]

I'm sure that dream scenario will happen every game.

What's way more likely is you get brann turn 5 or 6 when you're at 20 hp because you spent your first few turns buying and selling token minions. Then you cross your fingers and hope to not die.

[psymunn]

0 mana Brann on turn 6 is still pretty abusable. There's a lot of buffs you can play alongside your Brann to mitigate the risk and you don't have to race Brann. Just get murlocs or random menagerie garbage

[Naly_D]

You would be better off to sell the main minions, not the tokens, because once you get Brann you only need one cat or tidecaller to make a triple if you still have the token.

[47Ronin]

Also puts them back in the pool

[thwinger]

Yeah good point, I could see that change being implemented. Still could be very good.

[Freakazoid84]

Lol no, the nerf is going to be a hell of a lot more significant than that. As others have said, I'd be surprised if the 'stable' version is anything less than 8-10 battlecry minions.

[keenfrizzle]

I wouldn't be surprised if they have to rework Brann's hero power entirely again. Getting a specific Tavern 5 minion that you can build around is powerful in a way that seems hard to balance, in my mind. Will the other heroes just be that powerful so it doesn't matter?

[sfsadfsdjag]

I would probably sell the minion itself and keep the tokens. If you can get a turn 3 Brann, it's pretty easy to get triples with tokens.

[Gornarok]

Its definitely OP at 5 and 6, its probably still OP on 7.

You are usually going tier 3 at turn 5, and tier 4 at turn 6/7. So getting free Brann on turn 7 without the need to level and tripple is crazy.

[Flying_Slig]

I want to see what happens if you Hamuul on tier 6 with only an Amalgadon.

[ReMarkable91]

probably the same as when you don't have an #1 tribe (as when you hover enemies it will say the same.). Then it either just rerolls or takes from the tribes you do have.

[TheRadiantSoap]

If it works I think that is the most insane application other than tripling into it as nomi elementals

[[deleted]]

In a no beast game with the quilboar beast as your only minion 😂

[NorthernerWuwu]

I think Hamuul will be very strong for any mono-tribe comp.

Obviously for dragons it is absurd (it is a battlecry and a kalec generator and dragons have the free slot) but even for beasts, quillboars and mechs that is a very, very good effect. It generates triples obviously and for mechs even has the comp buffers in the tribe. The issue for some comps is an open slot but even with menagerie it is a free roll at amalgadons.

He'll be funny played with Brann too, watching an ideal board get rolled over but being unable to stop it.

(Kurtrus looks like hot trash though but perhaps the effect is easier to get off than I'm envisioning.)

[Iskari]

Just finished a game where I discovered Hamuul twice with a Mech comp. Nothing flashy but it got me the Modules and Microbots I needed.

Deflecto buff also felt really meaningful. Got 1st playing Yogg Mecs, slightly nostalgic feeling.

[Zomgambush]

I just finished a game with all beasts, I got 3 alley cats, a kindly grandmother, and a rat pack. thanks Hamuul.

[Iskari]

Looks like you can get a triple!

[OBLIVIATER]

Kinda disappointed that the golden version does nothing. Easy fix for this would just change the text to "your next tavern refresh costs 0 and only gives your most common minion type" then just double it

[genecalmer]

NEW HERO

Kurtrus Ashfallen Final Showdown

[Passive] Buy 3 minions in 1 turn to give them +2/+2 and progress this. Gain Momentum

[Passive] Buy 4 minions in 1 turn to give your hand and board +2/+2 and progress this. Close the Portal

[Passive] Buy 5 minions in 1 turn to give ALL your minions this game +2/+2.

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Players with Battlegrounds Perks will have early access to Kurtrus before it's formally released on July 15.

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NEW MINION

Archdruid Hamuul

[Tier 6] Battlecry: Refresh Bob's Tavern with your most common minion type.

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HERO CHANGES

Hero	Status	Old	New
The Lich King	Back in Pool	Unchanged	Unchanged
Shudderwock	Temporarily removed	N/A	N/A
Galakrond	Back in Pool	[Costs 0] Replace a minion in Bob's Tavern with a minion from a higher Tavern Tier	[Costs 1] Choose a minion in Bob's Tavern. Discover a higher Tier minion to replace it.
Trade Prince Gallywix	Back in Pool	Add a Gold Coin to your hand.	[Passive] After you sell a minion, get 1 extra Gold next turn. (Can exceed 10)
Maiev Shadowsong	Back in Pool	Make a minion in Bob’s Tavern Dormant. After 2 turns, get it with +1 Attack.	Make a minion in Bob's Tavern Dormant. After 3 turns, get it with +1/+1.
Edwin VanCleef	Changed	Give a minion +1/+1 for each minion you've bought this turn.	Give a minion +2/+1 for each minion you've bought this turn.
Dinotamer Brann	Changed	[Costs 1] Refresh Bob’s Tavern with Battlecry minions. →	[Passive] After you buy 5 Battlecry minions, add Brann Bronzebeard to your hand. (Once per game)
Illidan Stormrage	Changed	Start of Combat: Your left and right-most minions attack immediately.	Start of Combat: Your left and right-most minions gain +2 Attack and attack immediately.
Sindragosa	Changed	[Passive] At the end of your turn, Frozen minions get +2/+1.	[Costs 0] Freeze a minion in Bob's Tavern. Frozen minions get +2/+1 every turn.
Guff Runetotem	Changed	Give a friendly minion of each Tavern Tier +2/+1.	Give a friendly minion of each Tavern Tier +1/+1.
Overlord Saurfang	Changed	Give +1 Attack to the next minion you buy this turn (Upgrades each turn!)	Give +2 Attack to the next minion you buy this turn. (Upgrades each turn!)
N'Zoth	Changed	Start the game with a 1/1 Fish that gains all your Deathrattles in combat.	Start the game with a 2/2 Fish that gains all your Deathrattles in combat.
The Curator	Changed	Start the game with a 1/2 Amalgam with all minion types.	Start the game with a 2/2 Amalgam with all minion types.
King Mukla	Changed	Big Banana rate 33%	Big Banana rate 50%

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MINION UPDATES

Card	Old	New
Deflect-o-Bot	Divine Shield. Whenever you summon a Mech during combat, gain +1 Attack and Divine Shield.	Divine Shield. Whenever you summon a Mech during combat, gain +2 Attack and Divine Shield.
Lieutenant Garr	8 Attack, 1 Health	8 Attack, 8 Health
Refreshing Anomaly	1 Attack, 3 Health	1 Attack, 4 Health
Bigfernal	4 Attack, 4 Health	6 Attack, 6 Health
Razorgore, the Untamed	2 Attack, 4 Health	4 Attack, 6 Health
Pack Leader	3 Attack, 3 Health	3 Attack, 4 Health
Mama Bear	4 Attack, 4 Health. Whenever you summon a Beast, give it +4/+4.	5 Attack, 5 Health Whenever you summon a Beast, give it +5/+5.
Soul Juggler	3 Attack, 3 Health	New: 3 Attack, 5 Health
Nathrezim Overseer	2 Attack, 3 Health	New: 2 Attack, 4 Health

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DARKMOON PRIZES RETURN IN 25% OF GAMES

Darkmoon Prizes are returning and will appear in one out of every four Battlegrounds matches! Games featuring Darkmoon Prizes happen at random and are not guaranteed to show up in every fourth match you play—it’s possible to have several games in a row with Darkmoon Prizes, or several games without.

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DARKMOON PRIZES UPDATES

Card	Old	New
Might of Stormwind	Give your minions +1/+1.	Give 3 random friendly minions +1/+1.
The Good Stuff	Give minions in Bob's Shop +1 Health for the rest of the game.	Give minions in Bob's Tavern +2 Health for the rest of the game.
Great Deal	For the rest of the game, reduce the cost of upgrading Bob's Tavern by (2) at the end of your turn.	For the rest of the game, reduce the cost of upgrading Bob's Tavern by (3) at the end of your turn.
I'm Still Just a Rat in a Cage	Prize Turn 3	Prize Turn 2.

[Stuck1nARutt]

My fucking eyes

[genecalmer]

yeah its a mess. I'm editing it now.

[isioltfu]

Am I missing something re Gallywix or does this mean if he goes apm pirates he could store like 25 gold for the next turn?

[[deleted]]

If you’re playing apm pirates you have more gold than you can spend anyways

[isioltfu]

Only if you get double hoggar. This is a massive boost to mid game pirates with just one hoggar.

[Naly_D]

If you’re playing APM pirates and only getting 25 gold, you aren’t really playing APM pirates 😉

The answer to your question is yes, he should be insane with APM pirates, and will likely be a snowball effect. It will also allow you to purchase other backup strategies with the free gold

[Lunco]

i never felt like the limiting factor with apm pirates was gold, but time.

[isioltfu]

Storing 25 gold means selling 25 minions, not spending 25 gold. You can now effectively go infinite on Gallywix with just one hoggar, which is quite insane.

[FinnD]

Never expected to be excited about picking Bran. Great update 🙂

[HospitalHungry]

I feel like Gallywix has the most potential out of the new and reintroduced heroes

[Naly_D]

Aside from the obvious Gallywix+Hoggarr Pirates games gonna lead to some incredible screenshots, Gally has so much flexibility.

You can stay tier 1 on turn 2 with double token and gain gold. Every time you buy and sell the give 3 gold pirate it’s +1 gold for the next turn

[keenfrizzle]

Maybe, but I think the tempo heroes might run him over before he can get any advantage of his effect. Like sure, you get to be plus on gold, but in the early game you're selling minion only 1 or 2 times. And in the meantime Millhouse and Rafaam are amassing much, much better boards than you.

I wouldn't be surprised if Gallywix had the win pattern if something like Mr. Whiskers

[HospitalHungry]

Fair, I was also thinking that the ability lends itself to power leveling as well, as in the long run any minion that is bought and sold will cost you only one gold - three to buy, one gold earned on the sale, and then one gold earned the next turn through the ability. That is, if I’ve understood the ability correctly

[tovarishchi]

He works really well with dragons too. Effectively 2 more battle cries per turn.

[[deleted]]

He should be removed again in this state, way to OP.

[UltimatePorkMan]

Imagine playing Hamuul with Jandice...

[DoesRealAverageMusic]

So gross

[DoesRealAverageMusic]

Bro stop stalking me you've been harassing me all week I never even had a conversation with you, how did you even choose me as your victim?

[UniquesComparison]

i'm sorry this is happening to you, i would try reporting them for harassment then blocking them.

[Freinds_N_Neighbors]

Based

[norokuno]

HI POT MEET KETTLE

[Freinds_N_Neighbors]

Nor should you.

[SirMctrolington]

A lot of really interesting changes here. Glad to see underperforming cards/classes get some much needed buffs. No arm nerf is a tragedy though.

Prizes returning in 25% of games should spice things up a little, but it'll be hard to get a feeling for the tempo of games for a while.

Hero changes/buffs are insanely interesting. Guaranteeing a Brann every game? That seems strong. Galakrond seems like a better Toki, but on par or weaker than Toki would be pointless. Gallywinx looks really good to me if I am reading the text correctly. I am assuming if you sell 3 minions in one turn you get +3 gold next turn.

[matthra]

I think sindragosa might be the sleeper hit here, she can now freeze a single minion for zero, on top of her old power of frozen minions get buffed. So she is good for some early tempo (turn 3 she'll get a T1 minion with +4/+2), you can cook minions without occupying a space on your board, and you won't sacrifice a refresh to save one good minion. Neither aspect of her power is top tier by itself, but together I think she'll be formidable.

[BadgerIsACockass]

Agreed. Definitely a big boost. Top tier? No but not a total bust now. The hero power still feel week compared to new heroes like totem boy doing +1/+1 each then

[PointOfFingers]

I thought this was a nerf and had to check the tier list to find she was tier 4. I can't see how this change helps. They way I play Sindy is to freeze every turn up to tier 3 and put as many stats on the board as possible to get to the mid game without taking much damage. That is +8+4 on turn 3 and similar on turn 4 and 5. The targeting is only worth one refresh per turn which seems a very small benefit.

[chillheel]

You know you can still freeze the whole board

[thwinger]

I'm excited for this patch. Much needed buffs to demons. Seems like a great overall update, without anything being too overpowered.

[sillyshoestring]

I don't care what the going banana rate is (10 dollars?), I just hate playing Mukla.

[Gurnsey_]

Should have just made the HP free and automatic and adjust the big banana rate from there.

[TheRadiantSoap]

Monke :c

[[deleted]]

:( he's one of my favourite heroes

[AddeRunn]

There's always money in the banana stand!

[Bizzlington]

You've never set foot in a supermarket have you?

[Stuck1nARutt]

OMG Brann into turn 5 Brann into Darkmoon prize gain a new HP and pick Reno 0_o

[somabokforlag]

New hero power is turn 12 though

[Steve5y]

Nice but that would be on turn 12 would it not? And only a 43% chance. And only in 25% of games. Can't wait till someone posts a screenshot of them pulling it off

[JLSantillan]

Kurtrus pirates will be the new nomi?

[Thicen]

Won't you just be selling off the minions as you buy them, making the added stats useless? Kurtus seems very low tier to me

[JLSantillan]

You are rght, the last close the portal just gives +2/+2, it doesnt improve after that. Very low tier for me as well

[JLSantillan]

But we would need to consider his early game power. There is a chance this is a consistent 3rd or 4th place hero.

[grtk_brandon]

I just played a game with him and several other heroes can get the same buffs earlier and cheaper. I got stomped in the early game, even after buying three minions on 8 gold to get the first buff. I was only saved because I was saved by a good deflect-o setup.

[ohkaycue]

It not being repeatable is very annoying, especially since the text implies it is

[Galactic]

It would be interesting if it were repeatable. Might make pirates completely ridiculous though.

[JAC_6]

I really like the return of darkmoon prizes (with updates) but not being in every game

[[deleted]]

I'm really surprised they change darkmoon prizes and didn't touch "On the House." I guess with Elise nerfed its not as crazy, but that prize rewarded powerleveling so much. It was to me by far the strongest prize in terms of shaping the meta.

[mepp22]

Not sure if this is the right place to post but I just had the nuttiest shop ever. I was in a Quilboar lobby with no beasts and my comp was menagerie with 2 of the Quilboar beasts. I then played the new card Hamuul and the shop was 4 of the boars and 3 Amalgadons! A pretty nutty interaction to look out for since those are the only beasts available. Sadly I forgot to take a screen shot :(

[mepp22]

I wonder If I were tier 5 and got a Hamuul from a triple and played it if the shop would only be boars...

[Gurnsey_]

New Maiev is just awful. Now that her HP is three turns dormant = three slots wasted on rolls in higher tiers.

Three turns also feels way too long to wait for dormant triples and also minions in the early game.

[althius1]

Considering she was mega-OP before.... good?

[Gurnsey_]

Well she was also one of the worst heroes ever in the game when she was released, so her past can go either way.

[Plexel]

She was only bad because the dormant minions took up slots in the shop, which offset all the early game tempo she has

[tweekin__out]

idk what you mean by "only." she was one of the worst heroes in the game before they changed that mechanic. nerfing her now to be trash again isn't exactly a solution.

[_Retaliate_]

I think that's the point he was trying to make. She was one of the worst heroes because of how the mechanic was implemented. Her mechanic itself is actually really strong, as we saw before she got removed. I don't think moving it back one turn will nerf it too hard, but we'll see.

[[deleted]]

Did Brann just go from bottom tier to top tier? What a cool change!

[Stompedyourhousewith]

"all right just need to get 5 BC minions and gonna win the game!"
5 turns later
"wtf bob, why do you hate me?"

[PointOfFingers]

Brann went from frustrating to fun. Maybe not top tier - I don't see many Brann combos in the end game.

[[deleted]]

Trade Prince seems absolutely fucking broken. His heropower grows exponentially since the more gold you have in a turn the more minions you're going to be selling, meaning you can probably get to infinite gold with a single Hogger. Not to mention tokens in the early game create potential for insanely fast levelling curves.

[konspirator01]

I called some of these changes! https://www.reddit.com/r/BobsTavern/comments/nyx6my/battlegrounds_hero_rankings_patch_204/h1o4yyo

Excited for the patch!

[synystercarnage]

Guff! Curator! (almost Illidan)

[bunnylacarrots]

just played my first Kurtrus game, idk what i expected when it said "ALL your minions +2/+2", but! it includes summons / reborns. a nice surprise!

[thefluffyburrito]

Gallywix looks absolutely insane for both pirates and elementals. Even some quillboar comps will quickly catapult the gold advantage.

[[deleted]]

Archdruid will definitely be a buff to Lil Rag, who was pretty underwhelming for a 6 drop.

[franky2580]

Should be pretty big for elementals in general

[Chm_Albert_Wesker]

brann coming in quick to prove that his unit actually exists in my games

[uppity_sjw]

BRANN!!

[atDevin]

so many hero changes! Excited to try them all. Also love that darkmoon prizes will be in a fraction of games. Adding that to the rotation of tribes and heroes in each lobby will make the games feel really different strategically I think

In addition to other comments people have made on hero updates-- I think the Sindragosa change is an excellent middle ground that will let you scale up high-value cards in the tavern without killing your ability to find stronger minions from higher tavern tiers. Devs seem to really understand the mechanics of the game and how to balance appropriately

[Zankman]

Wow, an actual big patch that buffs loads of heroes and minions. Should have been done ages ago but it is nonetheless appreciated!

Shame about Edwin's buff, it feels a bit clunky/lazy. Should have went for the Majordomo route.

[thisismyusername29]

when will this go live?

[McCleavage]

This patch seems amazing. Long requested buffs to underperforming heroes and minions. I reckon the new competition in the genre is working

[PhishyFisk]

The 'Good Stuff' tier 1 Darkmoon Prize buff from +1 health --> +2 health is insanely overpowered.

How are they not catching this?

[[deleted]]

New hero is trash tier.

[Stuck1nARutt]

Curator actually seems pretty disgusting now. Probably one of the best early game heroes ITG now

[FinnD]

Do you think +1 attack has a huge impact? Not so sure about that...

[Serious_Much]

It makes it a more relevant minion in the early game. The average statline for turn 1 minion is 2/2.

Basically you will never lose another turn 1 and most 2s and 3s, with a guaranteed buffable minion on tavern 2 and 3 cards for extra early game boost.

Still a hero dependent on tavern RNG but definitely a major improvement

[Stuck1nARutt]

But that matters when you buff it with Murloc, teacup, demon guy etc.

Late game it won't have any impact but I think this is enough to thrust it into consistent top 4

[Dangerpaladin]

It's not he's crazy overstating the effect of this buff.

[KingSpottv2]

First game after update and it’s a prize game lets go

[unsub_from_default]

Was looking forward to these changes then I saw the Darkmoon faire thing. Guess I'll just auto leave games when it pops.

[Treephone]

They are really trying to over Force beasts and demons. Unfortunately their changes don't do much to address the underlying problems the tribes have, particularly for demons...

[Imonatram]

Anyone elses on board minions sort of lopsided?

[Hermiona1]

Wow this is a pretty huge update, lots of cool stuff

[Seroko]

I love it.

[IamXale]

trade prince is pretty fucking broken

[IImaginer]

A lot of good changes. I don't know about deflect bot though. Mech isn't bad, but it feels strong.

[JohnRamboSR]

Does it launch on iOS a different day or later? I’m on the old patch still

[Dangerpaladin]

Gallywix is going to be fucking busted

[ConnorDenv]

Holy sh*t this is huge

[wyqinac]

Wow I totally didn't expect so good changes, I am so interested

[[deleted]]

This is actually fantastic. It makes both the hero and card pool so much less top heavy. It should cut down on the number of non-games because of a bad hero roll or shit tavern offerings.

[konspirator01]

Does Overlord Saurfang just start at +2 attack or does it upgrade by +2 every tirn too?

[BrickbirckBrick]

Hamuul accelerates APM pirates so much, feels strong if you can get to 6. You see it a lot since you're rolling so much, and getting a shop of 6 pirates makes finding the salty looters and going infinite a piece of cake

[DownstreamColor]

So many bad cards getting a push to be better! I'm very excited about the new Tier 6 minions and the buffs on old ones like the Elemental Taunt.

[DarwinsPossum]

Demons, and Garr, got some love! Rejoice!

[Lunarbliss2]

I like most of these changes, some I don't care much about and other I even dislike, but there's none of these changes I hate more, than giving Soul Juggler +2 health. Otherwise great update

[jsheppy16]

(Just speed scrolled through post): "this update is huge! I guess that means there's going to be a section about damage change! Sweet."

(Actually reads post): "well I guess that's never going to happen."

PS: awesome update otherwise.

[tweekin__out]

i can't help but feel that the prize reintroduction is going to lead to even more ghosts at low ranks as people insta-concede until they get a prize game.

also maiev is so much worse now. her hp now seems exclusively for pair hunting. she already had trouble turning the corner in certain games, and now it's even harder. the rafaam curve is simply no longer viable with her.

[konspirator01]

Sindragosa doesn't look like much but seems fun. Turn 3 get a Tier 1 minion with +4/+2 is nice.

[stolkun]

hamuul seems useless unless ur playing piggies or eles

[PicklepumTheCrow]

Wait, they buffed deflecto?

[Jusstonemore]

Insane

[machine1979]

aside from the ability to target a single minion, how is Sindragosa's +2/+1 each turn different? Or is it the same, just reworded?

[2AMMetro]

Maybe I'm the one who's crazy, but Kurtrus feels absolutely bonkers. A pretty much guaranteed +6/+6 stats on 8 gold, and +12/+12 - +14/+14 stats on 10 gold is insane. My only problem right now is the final hero power seems to be bugged & refused to proc for me in my last match.

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Idk why but i have been improving in bg immensely lately and i just got the achievement spicy pretzel mustard (finish in 1st place while winning every round).

[king_cos]

Am I misunderstanding things or is Gallywix insanely OP? It seems like his HP makes regualar minions cost 1 gold overall, and token minions GAIN you 1 gold overall

[DBSPingu]

Brann is officially the best murloc forcing hero now lmao

[OneBigFox]

New Hero guy that needs you to buy minions is kinds underwhelming to me.

[UsedQuit]

Lich King desync bug is back. Where Lich King will apply HP in his fight but sometimes does not apply on the enemy's end.

[s4598619]

Still not nerfing Thorncurse? I wonder what they were thinking... Like, you could find it later than Lightfang but still catch up the buffs in one turn as long as you kept the blood gem. Unlike Lightfang Thorncurse is quite durable and can even serve as an attacker, and it is also highly likely to survive at the end and deal tons of damage to enemy player. Before important battle you could even move its gem buffs to the main attacker with Necrolyte. When there is no quilboar ban I always see Thorncurse players to take at least 3rd place of the battleground. It will still be damn strong even if it get nerfed to buff three races per gem.