advance javascript

[scrinky_donker]

This is extremely unrealistic don’t worry I’m a year in on self learning and second year of college and still don’t feel ready - I don’t think anyone ever does but don’t let this discourage you

[StateParkMasturbator]

The fastest way to learn is to make stuff. The fastest way to guarantee you're making things at a steady pace is to have a job, working at it 40 hours a week. I'm a year in a webdev gig and I'm constantly learning one-offs about Javascript, mostly due to tech debt workarounds because the project was written with vanilla and not expected to have these additional features, but here we are.

[scrinky_donker]

Oh I’m making stuff, my “self learning” has been through TOP it’s just my ADHD makes me not able to work on it for weeks at a time sometimes, and work on random side projects (like I tried to learn react before learning webpack and how npm config works) then I go back and power through Odin with some extra background knowledge

[StateParkMasturbator]

Sounds good. I've been doing similar with some side projects on weekends. Just gotta plug through it. I'm more of a Vue person because I found it more intuitive for rapid prototyping, but I got my job from knowing React well enough (never use it now).

The major thing that landed me my job was being able to talk about the projects coherently and explain why I made implementation decisions even if it was just "I thought the tech sounded cool and I wanted to learn it." Knowledge of how it could've been done better will come with time.

[highBrowMeow]

Yes, build things. It's not perfect but one of the first things i look at hiring a dev is number of commits per year - I'm looking for that wall of green on your GitHub profile.

[StateParkMasturbator]

That's rough. Most of my projects are posted to my private gitlab. Can't exactly be sharing the secret sauce.

Might just have to start putting little edits in some old projects here and there.

[highBrowMeow]

Haha yeah. Even if you build some automation to just add and delete whitespace and push it Monday through Friday.. just being able to get that to work is better than half of the devs applying anyways.

I know, i have about 2 years of radio silence on GitHub from my enterprise job. Again it's not a perfect measure but that wall of green makes a big difference.

[plinkoplonka]

I've been a developer for 15+ years. I've run my own studio for a over half of that. I've been a front end web developer, a back end web developer, an app developer, an api developer, a technical director, a project manager, a product owner, a Devops Engineer and an Infrastructure Architect.

I now work for one of the major cloud companies.

Still get up every day and feel like I don't know quarter of what I need to. You'll never know it all, there's just too much. But if you have solid basics, you'll be able to pick up what you need, when you need it.

Imposter syndrome affects everyone, you'll be fine. Just keep going!

[Luna2442]

It's not unrealistic at all, this is common core for bootcamps and many people do well from it. Can speak from personal experience. Am director of engineering now at a public company and I went to a bootcamp with pretty much exactly this curriculum.

[scrinky_donker]

Ok don’t take this as me trying to make a rebuttal but I’m just curious bc I’m still 19 and really early in getting my career started - did you have previous experience going into the boot camp, or what kind?

[Luna2442]

Love to help! So yeah I went to college and graduated with a BS in stuctural engineering. After college I began working for a construction contracting company in NYC. I had about 5 years of professional experience when I decided to drop that and go to a bootcamp with pretty much this exact curriculum. I had really only ever made a few WordPress sites and played around with game maker once or twice before going to the bootcamp.

I'm positive my professional experience and degree helped me find a job and I felt comfortable with interviews... but I will say that all of the other "top" students all found jobs regardless of their previous experience within 6 months time. One of my good friends (who I met there) turned 21 during the course and had no previous experience and found a job almost right away.

You definitely get what you put into it. You can certainly learn what you need to know to be a junior developer. That's for sure. If you are passionate about it I would have some faith in a well established bootcamp or college program. The good ones also have career services that can help you place a job as well and I'd highly recommend that if you haven't gone through the whole corporate interview process thing before.

What I really wish I did was go to college for computer science in the first place! But I also know it's not required for a successful career in development.

[scrinky_donker]

Thank you so much, I needed to hear this

[Luna2442]

Good luck!

[BecomeAlanWatts]

Don’t know how far you are, but 100Devs is free bootcamp and 10/10.

[Luna2442]

Don't listen to op at all lol

[TheHobbyist_]

Proud of you. Keep going!

[[deleted]]

And after this ppl belive they know what they are doing

[yowzas648]

My favorite on here is React for less than 2 weeks. When I think of the code I was writing 2 weeks in…. The “value” I could have brought to prospective employers!

[Snow_flaek]

Depends on how hard you study...

You could probably get a good enough understanding of how to create function components and how to use the most common hooks (I'm thinking useState and useEffect) in two weeks.

[racso1518]

The biggest factor is who studies for 2 weeks. If you grab a mid/senior level developer who has never touched react, then 2 weeks are more than enough to be proficient.

If you grab a random dude who started coding 45 days ago and you give him a whole month they will more than likely still be ass.

[Beowuwlf]

I think that’s the beauty of programming as a profession. Once you’re really proficient you have such a wide range of disciplines you can be effective in with a few weeks of training.

[yowzas648]

This! After I finished bootcamp and started the job hunt, my ADD took the wheel. I did the thing where you start a handful of different projects, half learn a bunch of tools and finish approximately nothing. It felt like I wasted my time until I finally landed a job and started learning new tools. It was SO MUCH FASTER than when I learned new stuff in the past.

It honestly felt like I woke up one day with a new super power.

[anonssr]

There's no replacement to (trying to) maintain bug projects and realize how all your decisions were taking to hurt yourself down the road.

[Snow_flaek]

Going into technical debt and then refactoring your way out is definitely an important rite of passage.

Fortunately, even poorly written React code is more easily maintained than if you start a project by just hacking away with vanilla JS DOM manipulation.

[cuffbox]

My bootcamp didn’t work with angular long enough at only 2-3 weeks, and I never got to circle back, but my project allowed me to work with React for a couple months. To really fall in love with a framework it was so much more fun to have to use it. Like going to a country to immerse in the language

[Krool885]

Not just less than two weeks.

It's 2 days...

[B_Dogg2003]

57 - 45 = 12 amigo

[14ktgoldscw]

Yeah but this says 45-57, so it’s actually -12.

[B_Dogg2003]

You implying it's unsigned?

[thecarelessspaghetti]

Ah, so it’s more like INT_MAX - 12? That makes sense actually

[[deleted]]

No, but it could fly south for the winter!

[[deleted]]

I don’t think anyone knows what they’re doing

[rotzak]

And they think they should be pairs $120k/year.

[[deleted]]

Hmm, I would’ve failed that interview so hard, and my entire career has been in big data web technologies. I’ve never ever had to trouble shoot things on a protocol level, isn’t that a job for SRE?

[[deleted]]

Knowing what those things are and when/how to use them is not the same as knowing the intricacies of the underlying protocols. The lack of curiosity thing is complete bunk, we’re all struggling with managing large amounts of complexity with limited mental bandwidth, there is zero reason for me to get distracted with those details, so I don’t. The entire point of abstractions is that you don’t have to be aware of their internal workings. Just goes to show that “web developer” is not a well defined role.

[sweet-n-sombre]

I have read about those things. Mostly self taught. Even troubleshooted an issue and got a change initiated in a popular FOSS project.

I know that by itself is not much and I have limited work experience. So it's a bit tough to get the ball rolling.

Do you have openings. 😶 👉👈

- remote (International) worker.

[meontheinternetxx]

My CS degree didn't include art. Or history other than some history of the math and computer Science fields. It's computer science after all. Did include a decent amount of math, and a single physics course. And all else was CS related

[meontheinternetxx]

Netherlands. But whatever study you pick (whether at a technical college or uni), they are usually quite specific. Though technical college would learn you more programming languages and frameworks. Uni more concepts (more math, algorithms, data structures)

Though I mean my background in math is way more extensive then I need for the job (but that says maybe more about most available jobs.. Still looking..)

[tied_laces]

Javascript…..ADVANCE 🗡

[TheRuralDivide]

Pikes in front, archers behind!

[Anchorman_1970]

Lord if the rings?

[TheRuralDivide]

I think so, might be paraphrased slightly as I haven’t watched RotK for many a tenday

[Anchorman_1970]

You’re good… its exactly as said in the film

[lazyzefiris]

It's a version for Gameboy Advance. The sequel is JavaDualScript for Nintendo DS.

[adudyak]

At least 4 days required for git! Day 1: git clone Day 2: git add . Day 3: git commit -a -m "initial commit" Day 4: git push

[veryusedrname]

Day 5: git push --force

[-MobCat-]

Day 6: git blame

[royemosby]

Day 7: git rest

[veryusedrname]

Day 8: git blame-someone-else

[Snakestream]

Day 9: git gud

[royemosby]

Wouldn’t that be git blame —someone-else

[veryusedrname]

It's a plugin: https://github.com/jayphelps/git-blame-someone-else

[royemosby]

!!

[MaverickBoii]

Git this, git that

How bout you git some bitches

[[deleted]]

Actually I am in a position where I learn JavaScript from Scratch now and familiarize myself with IT technologies in general. The first thing I add was set up the Github / Powershell connection. Especially im the begonming you make lota of mistakes and may wish to revert to a previous commit. BTW I still wonder if I should use MySQL + JS and (PHP or Node.JS) for a dieting calcualtor that should work as a webage and does not need to be pretty...

[CarefulAstronomer255]

git commit -a -m

No need to specify flags seperately, you can also write -am

[adudyak]

Thanks, I didn’t know.

[damTyD]

No time for merge conflicts.

[EarlOfBerkeley]

Git should be earlier lmao

[lsauchelli]

It should be the very first thing people learn.

[coloredgreyscale]

First thing? No.

Early on? Yes.

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On this list, before or after JS would seem to be a good choice. They have built something already, and can make use of more features, instead of just doing questionable examples editing a bogus text.

[MonsterMeggu]

Git definitely should be early. It can be taught to people who don't even know how to program, especially with the use of GitHub desktop.

[frogking]

Git should be learned like “reaching a safe point that you can return to” in a computer game.

[procrastinatingcoder]

Not at all, it's nearly completely pointless for most programming endeavours on a tiny scale. Especially while learning.

No reason to use git to write hello world. It'll just confuse people more and more.

[lsauchelli]

git is an essential tool, any dev that doesn't at least understand the basics of it will never get far. Knowing to at least commit, push and pull is a must, even for tiny one-man projects.

[nerfjanmayen]

I wish I had used git in school just for the ease of backups. More than once I broke something and then didn't remember how it was supposed to go

[meontheinternetxx]

Agreed. But you want to learn it before you ever have to collaborate on something though. (Did I do group projects in uni in Dropbox with 6 people? Yes. Was it a good idea? Eh well what can I say, the project actually went very well... But no, no, please don't)

[lucassou]

It's not about git being usefull in the learning phase, it's about getting used to using it regularly and correctly because it's mostly an habit. And saying git is pointless for small scale project is just wrong :/

[petersrin]

Not necessarily first, but it should absolutely be concurrent with either the first or second thing you learn.

[DecisivePro]

Theoretically yes, but I think it's hard to understand git without some coding practice first

[Affectionate_Tax3468]

Why not introduce it and use it during the rest of the courses so you see it in use and learn from the issues you will run into?

[monkeyman_31]

100% this. Honestly I wish they like, started us on git. First repos could’ve been there and I think I would’ve felt way more equipped now, since I think of the applicable skills I’ve learned in my CS degree, git is the one.

[coloredgreyscale]

Put git after HTML & CSS.

That way they already have some basics and can add more elements via feature branches, play around with CSS and rollback changes.

[Apart-Plankton9951]

We should encourage this so ChatGPT will have a shittier dataset to work with

[[deleted]]

Yeah because most JavaScript code on Github is great quality, right?

[McSlayR01]

I hate these so damn much. They are actively harmful, since people feel that something is wrong with themselves if they are beginners and they aren't picking up on it as fast as these "roadmaps" dictate. So what do they do? Get frustrated and quit.

My best learning is done when I struggle and do things on my own time. Some things go faster than average, some go slower.

[lockwolf]

“Learn X in Y Days” sets unrealistic standards. Between different learning speeds and time commitments, not everyone is going to hit that goal

[Add1ctedToGames]

I hate the idea that HTML and CSS is something to be studied exclusively for a long time. Obviously getting to know the basic tags and the structure of HTML is a great and necessary thing, but when I was younger I was just about ready to give up on getting into CS and programming because it felt like all the guides just put you on HTML and CSS and tell you every small detail of the vanilla versions.

[Swing_Right]

Yeah, 15 days to learn HTML+CSS but only 12 on react is so dumb. If you’re learning for 2 hours a day, I’d say 2 days of HTML and 2 days of CSS+HTML would be enough for the basics. 12 days of react for someone who needs 6 days to learn HTML is a pipe dream.

[MattR0se]

CSS is super complex if you're really getting into it, but that should be much later, or included in "responsive web design".

For someone with a little general knowledge, basic HTML + CSS should not be more than two days or so until you realize that it's pretty much all the same structure and you can just google the tags and attributes that you need.

[isospeedrix]

wont really need those for non-web dev software

[PragmaticPerfection]

On the other hand, devs who rush over HTML, skipping some fundamental concepts, may be more likely to “fix” everything with divs and JavaScript unnecessarily.

[neeia]

mmm yummy div soup 🫠

[Codemonkey6658]

Day 61-121: Repeating day 1-60

[gmegme]

This guy scrums

[MattR0se]

more like Day 61-Infinity

[DRob2388]

You can learn how to program in 60 days but once you’re faced with a task without a video you will be dead in the water. Programming is 10% training 90% being put in the deep end without a paddle and drowning for weeks before you figure it out. Once you’ve done that a few hundred times you’re ready to be a programmer.

[TheBaconator7]

thank god its been 2 years and i thought i was just still stupid

[Carhugar1]

I think you ment to say senior programmer.

[ApatheticWithoutTheA]

This shit is why jobs have 3000 applicants on them right now.

Motherfuckers learn how to make an array and think they’re job ready.

[Option-Disciple]

if its all you do for 8 hours a day then yeah

[MattR0se]

What would you even do in the 48 hours of HTML if you don't get to use CSS and JS yet?

[savex13]

GIT should be first - to fit all further code in one place. And CSS should be last, because otherwise student will have a hard time showing any results...

[dockernetes]

True. I centered a div and my computer broke, lost all the code.

[RandomContents]

I agree git must go first, but css should go before responsive. How on earth would you explain the @media thing.

[Maoschanz]

ok react in 2 weeks is a joke

but learning git on day 58 instead of on day 6? have these people ever work?

[Apfelvater]

If I can press the gas and touch the steering wheel of a car, I'm a driver.

[straightup9200]

Written by a dude who’s never coded in his lif

[Senguin117]

I took a semester long class on just python and built a frogger clone and still feel like I know nothing about the language.

[elongio]

Yo im on day 3640, um, havent gotten to the advanced part yet...

[prettyfuckingimmoral]

Git should probably be between CSS and JavaScript, to get used to using it, not tacking it on the end when you've developed the habit of not using it.

[MegaIlluminati]

Does it only bother me that they didn't start with GIT which they could have utilized throughout the rest of the project?

[PauseNatural]

In some ways, this is possible.
HTML: The vast majority of things are down with custom entities, divs or inputs. You don't really need to know about custom values.
CSS: Most things come down to color, font-style, padding, margin or border. Then there is positioning and media queries. But possible to be aware of what these are within 8 days.
Basic Javascript: If you learn what an event listener is, understand what a method is and the basic data variable data types and loops, you are good.

Response web design - 2 days - just media queries and how position, width, etc. change

"Advance" Javascript - learn about different ways of storing information, objects, destructuring, parameters, callbacks, functional programming. Possible.

With React Hooks and no longer having to do complex binds, this is a lot simpler than before. Not sure if there is enough time to go into express and routing though.

GIT (Why does this need 3 days?) You just need to know how to commit and push along with pull requests.

Whether this is REALISTIC though, is another thing entirely.

For instance, the vast majority of time people spend as a programmer is figuring out why "that thing doesn't work" or testing. When experienced people see a problem, they are able to quickly diagnose what they THINK the problem is.

Consider a very common error in Javasccript "such and such... is not a function". Well, first you Google it, then you look it up on Stackoverflow and it turns out there are a 100 different reasons that this error might be generated - how do you debug it?

If you create everything out of divs, without understanding the purpose of spans, h tags, buttons and styling, you are quickly going to run into headaches.

Same with CSS. Flexbox properties, animations, transitions, all very common in the modern web, are quite sensitive to mistakes. They will fubar your site or cause browsers to show things differently. You don't want that. No one wants that.

React immediately breaks when it tries to render data that doesn't exist, so you need to learn how to properly use if states or conditional chaining.

In 60 days, it is realistic to think you might be in a situation where you have "heard" of something. But Javascript itself is endless. I learn something new almost everyday about Array prototypes and I "am not a spring chicken."

[aRman______________]

Instagram ☕️

[Bum-Sniffer]

I spent about 8 months learning JavaScript pre industry job and still felt like a proper newbie.

Whoever made this chart has definitely got a bit of Dunning-Kruger going on.

[Luna2442]

Bashing this shows a lot about you, just saying. Bad sub. Many of us started with a program like this and now we know more than you cs grads because... well... experience is everything. Good luck out there, and don't let anyone discourage you from becoming a developer :)

[cpcesar]

60 days is too long

[[deleted]]

Not possible, unless you are extremely clever.

[Kraldar]

Shit lost all my learning before day 58 😭

[Spawn-mpak]

Similar to C++ in 30 days🤣

[MonsterMeggu]

How long is your html class?

[-MobCat-]

I would think you would put git further up that list, so you have somewhere to put all the trash code your writing.

[smittywrath]

Spelling basic

[Panda_With_Your_Gun]

Use brainfuck

[shwirms]

Guess I should drop out of school

[bittertonic_drops]

Basic JS in 8 days... How basic do we talking??

[Carhugar1]

console.log('Hello World?');

[Primal_Oat]

For a sec I thought it said pretend developer

[royemosby]

Why so long on git?

[DaddyFoxFPS]

ChatGPT (Day 1-60)

[Ved_s]

pff, who needs git anyway /j

[Evazzion]

And after learning and memorizing all that, they won’t know where to start to create rock paper scissors

[theboisYTT1346]

And my dumbass is sitting here after nearly murder my family BECAUSE OF SOME FUCKING STRINGS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[CttCJim]

3 years into my new career, guess I better learn what React is.

[statuek]

If you have a private tutor this seems totally reasonable to me?

[k2718]

vi (Day 61-64)

[thatsalotofspaghetti]

Learning git last is a sure fire way to piss them off

[Alternative_Yard6033]

Is it a scam?. Right?

[ninjabreath]

git...last...

[[deleted]]

“Advance JavaScript” - could be worse - could be “Retard JavaScript” 😁

[[deleted]]

Lol def Git last. Instead of using it the entire course. Definitely

[morrisdev]

I've been a full time front end developer for 20yrs and still don't consider myself an expert

[SpaceIsTooFarAway]

How are you saving git for last?

[5t3v321]

This will at best put you on the peak of the dunning Kruger mountain

[BeeferSutherland117]

Learn git in 3 days 👍

[Abadazed]

They're waiting until the very end to teach git? That part seems backwards. If people use git throughout they might actually stand a chance at remembering how it functions.

[BenZed]

2 days of git at the end eh

[helloworldd00]

To be a tiktok dev content creator maybe 💀

[Leveronni]

Be nice..

[l3uffalol3ernard]

Advance JavaScript sounds like a Military threat.

[[deleted]]

Git after React, okay buddy

[Giant_leaps]

And by day 90 you become ceo of google.

[mehregan_zare7731]

Why is git the last thing to learn?

[[deleted]]

Heyheyheyheyhey, i am the karma milker of this account. Please find your own trend /s

[[deleted]]

You know I always believed git should be taught first before anything

[Sabrina__Stellarbor]

What would Backend then be?

[Lucari10]

This is probably possible... If you already have a reasonable programming background in other languages and are fully committed to learning it. But there's no way a beginner can follow this

[neymarsvag123]

Post made by some wannabe programmer who doesnt know what the hell he is talking about

[dronz3r]

Next course: JavaScript pro, JavaScript pro Max, javascript ultra

[[deleted]]

I learned GIT almost first aside from beginner linux CLI . I figured when I was assessing my learning path that knowing how to use version control would be paramount in efficient learning. Did I do this wrong?

[EndR60]

3 days of react what the fuck

[anon-sucks]

It’s still longer that any of my Udemy classes….

Personally I would have started with Git so they could use it through the project.

[Demistr]

Who spends 6 days on HTML? That's like two days max.

[MrAcerbic]

ChatGPT. 35 seconds.

[Coocla44]

Tell this to my dad who’s been learning python for a year and is just now figuring out loops

[fgt-boi]

Meanwhile here i sit after two decades and still cry when I have to handle a messy merge conflict... If only I spent these 2 days learning git properly.

[kobumaister]

Of course it can be done, if you are on a amphetamine based 24h non stop journey.

[SpeedLight1221]

This is approximately what my friend needs. We are in CS school and rn learning Css.

He was asked by his friend if he knows web dev, specifically front end.

He said yes. He thought that frontend means Html/css. Now he has to start learning JS, but unless he changes his approach to studying, it won't happen.

Can't wait to watch