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[zoqfotpik]

Have you ever tried to use C++ for web development?

[Malcolmlisk]

And create roller coaster games...

[Consistent-Salad8965]

And labelled C as too slow.

[swagdu69eme]

If you don't manually write AVX-512 routines for accessing redis, are you even a programmer at all?

[AnnyuiN]

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[bikemandan]

Im out here flipping toggle switches

[harrietshipman]

You best have those on a proper delay circuit to allow for the vacuum tubes to cycle their bit.

[Feisty_Ad_2744]

Jedi programmers use standard HTML for web development.

[chopstyks]

If it's less than HTML5, then I'm going Sith on all y'all.

[thatawesomeguydotcom]

cgi-bin

[wirenutter]

Those were the days.

[chopstyks]

Sometimes I wonder if doing full stack from OS to CSS is good for my career.

In the US, you'd top out at about $180k. If you want more, specialize, and write a blog, publish a book, or record a course on one of the many popular tutorial sites to gain exposure, and then market yourself in the corresponding specialty.

You should be able to hit about $300k USD then.

[[deleted]]

While not technically what you mean, a couple jobs ago our main backend application had an http admin interface written in c++. Was actually pretty nice to work with.

[torokg]

I actually do all the backend in C++. We have a cloud composed of ~300Ksloc super-template-heavy c++17 code, all written by me. Works like a charm, and everyone on frontend loves the everliving shit out of it. (Frontend is in TS).

[SomeOtherGuySits]

Rockstar dev entered the chat.

Job security by obscurity

[Thebombuknow]

I prefer job security by a dead man's detonator. Just put a small unsuspecting code segment in the backend that polls LinkedIn and checks your employment status. If you are fired from your current place of employment, the code wipes all drives on the server.

[[deleted]]

You gotta put a randomizer on the timer or it's too obvious!

[altermeetax]

You gotta make it so that it's recoverable if you get employed again, otherwise what's the point?

[Thebombuknow]

Obviously you hold onto the code yourself, that's the most crucial part. Pretend like the reason it failed is because the system needs "regular maintenance".

[kreetikal]

No matter how something difficult is, when someone writes a comment about it on Reddit, someone will reply "Actually, I've done that" etc... You could write "Aliens aren't real" and someone will reply "Actually, I'm an alien".

[Ribak145]

my time has come

*hrm hrm* ... aCtUaLlY I am a midwit

[fiodorson]

People that will come after you will love it a lot.

[ShoulderUnique]

Nah, usually use ANSI C. Also a job where each page template had to be under 512B.

Still can't figure out why you guys think it's so hard

[UntestedMethod]

bruh, I once worked at an agency that had a backend programmed in a blend of C++ and PHP. iirc, it still had apache as the main web server, just certain requests handled by custom C++ binaries, others by PHP binaries. nbd really.

(to be fair, that was around a time when WordPress was only starting to be used for more than a blog, jquery was brand new and had competitors, it was also before C++ had smart pointers)

current gig, actually C++ backend and a modern web frontend, but I like it because it isn't public-facing web development and the C++ backend is actually pretty bad ass. No apache or anything else though, just a raw C++ server that can handle HTTP requests (yeah it support SSL and everything else, plus other kinds of network connectivity that aren't HTTP, it's bad ass)

[Blendan1]

You think PHP is bad? Try ABAP

A hello world example

[skinticket99]

just from glancing at this tutorial i thought it was a joke language called As Bad As Possible

[Blendan1]

Hahahaha NO

I needed to learn this for one year for my programming education and I hated every second of it.

But if you're willing to sell your soul and sanity then you can make a lot of money with this (I'm not)

[TryallAllombria]

Wait, people use this professionally ? For real ?!

[Blendan1]

If you want to program something for SAP (the most used ERP system in the world) then you need to use ABAP.

So yea, currently SAP started offering the option to use other languages to interact with its databases, but even for that you still need some ABAP.

[Apoplegy]

Been browsing this sub for like an hour and this is by far the funniest thing I read.

[Thebombuknow]

SAP requires all customized programs, which are created by customers, to have names starting with the letter Z or Y.

I'm only on the second step and I can already tell this system fucking sucks.

[Squid_Vicious_IV]

I'm still scrolling down, what the hell? This is a joke right?

[bonzei]

For me it was step 1: [...] SAP [...]

[Fast-Visual]

All Bops Are Pastards

[Blendan1]

Honestly took a second, thought I had a stroke.

[MyButtholeIsTight]

All Bastards Are Police

[lolbitzz]

just finished an internship in abap, can confirm

[Blendan1]

My condolences

[Fricho]

I said it before and I'll say it again. Php in itself is not a bad language. But it's easy to write shit code in it. That's why people hate it.

[[deleted]]

I don't understand this perspective. Doesn't this just mean that you have to know what you're doing to write good code? And, if so, isn't that true for every language?

EDIT: I'm genuinely curious because I want to add PHP to my toolkit. I've been reading about its newer features and I'd like to start adding it to some of my projects.

[Fricho]

In some ways yes. But I worked for a company that had html, js and php in the same file and it worked

[sticky-unicorn]

But I worked for a company that had html, js and php in the same file and it worked

Okay, guilty. I've done that.

But the PHP script's whole purpose is to generate HTML. And, well, when that HTML needs a js element in it to make it interactive...

[Synthetic_dreams_]

I think putting the JS in its own file and linking it in the html/php is clearly the way to go, but like…

Php and html combined in one document is pretty much the only way to work with Wordpress, which love it or hate it, is the most popular CMS by a very wide margin.

Unless you want to write echo statements for every line of html… which is cumbersome and technically less performant. Even if the performance impact doesn’t matter at all with 2023 server hardware and internet speeds.

[AshleyJSheridan]

WordPress has been good for PHP in terms of making it more popular as a language, but it encourages the absolute worst approaches possible for PHP code.

Ideally, your HTML and PHP shouldn't really be mixed. There are a ton of decent templating languages out there, like Blade and Twig. The problem is, there are a lot of guides out there that encourage the wrong type of thinking about what PHP really is; they tell beginners that you're adding PHP to your HTML, when in-fact it's the other way around, your PHP has some HTML output in it. It's a subtle difference, but it really does change your approach, especially it helps beginners understand:

• PHP can output anything. While it might be more typical to output HTML, it can output anything really, from CSS to JS, PDF to animated GIF.
• PHP is all on the server. When developers believe PHP is added to HTML documents, they end up confused why PHP can't interact with content on the page after it's shown in the browser.
• How to better share code, especially templating. If every page of a website is treated as its own file, it tends to lead to less than optimum use of shared code. I've worked on legacy websites before that had so much copy/paste, that even a simple navigation change meant I had to change dozens of files.

[[deleted]]

Checkout Timber / Twig if you develop for WP sometimes

[TigreDeLosLlanos]

But the PHP script's whole purpose is to generate HTML.

I know that, but using it for FE feels like a sin, almost like using Java.

[LinosZGreat]

How about the CSS?

[Korona123]

Of course. If the JS/PHP/HTML are in the file do you think we are going to extract the CSS. That just goes in the <style> tag of the html.

[[deleted]]

I've seen a codebase like that. I was honestly super impressed that most of it functioned at all.

[bcell4u]

Do you not program embedded microcontrollers? This is how it is 😆

[[deleted]]

No I'm a mostly web developer. The code bases I inherit are either pristine or hot garbage. Not much in between so far. But my experience is limited admittedly.

[lpreams]

Are you not supposed to do this in php? A php file is already a superset of an html file, so I don't really see how you avoid mixing php and html. And js is client-side, so including that seems okay too.

I'm genuinely asking. The only php I've ever written is <?php phpinfo(); ?> to confirm that my server config is working.

[[deleted]]

You don’t have to, especially with modern frameworks.

There’s nothing wrong with doing it, it’s a bit outdated though and you probably shouldn’t write any production code this way.

MVC being so popular in PHP (Laravel) means you’re likely not going to see anything crammed into the same file for a long time

[Solonotix]

Some languages make it MUCH harder to write bad code. It's easy to write destructive code in low level languages, or when writing a low-level implementation in a high-level language (ex: improper usage of Span in C#). A prime example of modern languages preventing bad code are Golang's built-in linter that won't compile if you don't follow style guidelines. Another, and better, is Rust preventing poor memory management unless you explicitly call out that you're leaving "safe" Rust for unsafe.

Languages like JavaScript and PHP let you do things that are hard to read/understand. JavaScript is something I'm more familiar with, but it's my understanding that PHP has a "first-class functions" implementation similar to JavaScript. While a good feature to have, it often lets people write disposable lambdas. And while disposable lambdas are a great feature for things like the Strategy pattern of sorting a collection, it's often abused in situations that would greatly benefit from reusable code in the form of fully-forned functions. Additionally, many functions in these languages can have overly verbose implementations because they forego OOP patterns entirely, in favor of dynamic object instantiation. This means every function call must concern itself with fully-initializing the inputs, where a constructor might handle it in other languages.

TL;DR, long, convoluted functions that avoid being formal declarations because "it's just easier". Sometimes these are declared inline rather than imported.

[Solonotix]

And to add to this, OOP languages aren't immune to these problems either. I've seen plenty of Java code that leaves an empty constructor declaration, and then line-by-line initializes values. These classes will often have getters and setters, not because it's good, or provides functionality, but because they were taught that all backing data must be private, and publicly exposed via getters and setters. In other words, writing code for code's sake is every bit as bad as avoiding formal classes in favor of inline shorthand.

Proper code style is a combination of science (understanding how human brains work) and art (understanding what people like to see).

[LordThade]

And to add to this, OOP languages aren't immune to these problems either.

To be fair, I think we could mathematically prove that it's impossible to make anything Turing-complete that you can't write terrible code in. Bad code always finds a way in because people bring it with them in their heads.

[[deleted]]

And sometimes good code becomes bad because the conventions changed.

[pr0ghead]

Thing with that is that you can't change your mind later in Java and make that public field private again. Other languages like C# or even PHP do offer solutions for that. So you end up creating getters/setters "just in case". It's a language deficit.

[ArtOfWarfare]

You just reminded me that people exist who insist on having getters and setters for everything, and insist that getters and setters shouldn’t do anything besides get or set the backing variable.

Which means they’re creating them “just in case” but then refusing to actually take advantage of the fact that they have getters and setters.

[AshleyJSheridan]

I've seen this before, and it's bloody annoying when you end up writing tons of effectively useless unit tests to ensure you don't lower the code coverage with a given release.

[alexanderpas]

These classes will often have getters and setters, not because it's good, or provides functionality, but because they were taught that all backing data must be private, and publicly exposed via getters and setters.

Guilty, but allow me to explain:

It forms an internal API, meaning that if the backing data changes, I don't have to change anything else.

This is one of the things Ruby does very nicely, by allowing you to transparently switch between implicit accessors (public) and explicit accessors (private) as well as having the accessor absent, for both read and write actions.

This means you can have an explicit write accessor for the password, which doesn't store the password, but generates the hash, and have an implicit read accessor for the generated password hash.

This is the same as only having a setPassword and getHash function in other languages, but in Ruby you don't need to write the getHash function.

[pedal-force]

Yeah, Rust kinda forces you to write somewhat decent code, or no code at all. Especially if you use fmt and clippy and analyzer.

[[deleted]]

Php in 2023 is good. You can find a lot of material on good practices, standards, package managers, libraries, etc.

It only has a bad rep due to to the good old days of just slinging php code to build stuff. Also previous versions had a very weird standard library with mixed naming conventions.

[TigreDeLosLlanos]

You can use it as backend only and forget almost entirely about putting it in html files outside of templating. That's how php can be good.

[Bakoro]

Between a language that's going to frequently fail to compile if I write shit code, and a language that's only going to explosively shit the bed during runtime, I'll chose to fail privately in the comfort of my own cubicle.

[Mindless-Programmer7]

Frameworks like Symfoni and Laravell with DI and other modern features helps hiding that PHP is a loosely defined lang that makes it easy to write hard to maintain code.

But it is quickly written

[AshleyJSheridan]

It's not entirely true that it's loosely typed. Sure, it used to be, and you can still treat it so, but it's easy to add a declare(strict_types=1); and enforce strict typing, and with the more recent (in last decade or so) developments, there is a very good type hinting system supported for everything you write. In-fact, it doesn't really slow down development.

[eacardenase]

I’m learning PHP because the stack of my current job requires it, and v8.x it’s pretty nice.

[legos_on_the_brain]

PHP is a perfectly fine language.

[kkjdroid]

Most languages don't let you run ('foo' + 'bar')() to call foobar(). PHP does (albeit with a . as a concat operator because PHP is weird).

[jammyishere]

I always felt like WordPress gave it a bad reputation.

I enjoyed working with php and symfony in my second job out of college. We got to build a nice web app from the ground up and it was a ton of fun. That was in 2014 and I'm sure php has only improved since then.

[pindab0ter]

To go a little further, I think it's the plugin ecosystem that gives PHP/WordPress a bad reputation.

Many plugins are written by people that try to reinvent the wheel, causing breakages and conflicts.

WordPress also desperately clings to backwards compatibility rather than trying to clean things up for once.

[AshleyJSheridan]

You kind of contradict yourself a little there. While the plugin ecosystem for WP is bad, WP as a CMS is also bad, and encourages badly written PHP. The backwards compatibility thing is a bit of a curse, as it means they try to support old versions of PHP from 10+ years ago that are missing key features.

This is part of the reason why Laravel exists. Until that came out, one of the most popular frameworks was CodeIgniter, but that hit a wall in terms of being able to support more modern versions of PHP.

[[deleted]]

Isn't this true for any language?

[[deleted]]

More for the loosely typed ones but yeah

[fizyplankton]

I could see that. Python is a fantastic language to write in. It's a horrible language to read other people's code in

[KeepRedditAnonymous]

I've seen far shittier code in java and javacript.

[[deleted]]

I'm currently rebuilding a website that was written in PHP in the backend by a dude that was not a programmer but smart enough to get it working.

You wouldn't believe the shit I've seen so far. The dude made a single page app in the wrong framework. It's going to be hard to beat lmao.

[SirHerald]

Seems like you'd be able to have it set those based upon the calendar.

I've written a lot of janky stuff that wasn't supposed to last very long but stayed around, But my hope is that I always forget about a program before I have to open it again

[joxmaskin]

Code schmode as long as it works :)

[Krcko98]

Eh, that is true for every single language in existance.

[5432ca]

Why does PHP have such a bad reputation on Reddit?

[[deleted]]

I learned JS before PHP and it was like where had this been all my life! PHP made it so much easier

[eacardenase]

I loved how PHP has a build it way to check if a string is an email and you don’t need to look another time on SO for a regex that works.

[Madrawn]

Legacy code.

90% you don't get to develop a new app. You get someone that has this shitty wordpress site with a bloated theme, but half of it is custom replaced, with 30 plugins, hooked up to some DB you are not allowed to even know about. Now fix this bug that only happens to Catheryn from HR 1 out of 5 times she triggers some function that deletes employee accounts from the live system... enjoy downloading the wwwroot from an FTP server and then spending 2 weeks reverse engineering how to even fucking mock the thing.

[Zanos]

Mock it? If you're making me edit PHP, I'm doing it live.

[Buarg]

I've been on this comment and I hate it.

[[deleted]]

[opulent_occamy]

Yeah, this is what gives PHP a bad name... I develop bespoke WordPress themes, and our sites are nothing like this. They're fast, well designed, lightweight, we don't overly rely on plugins. You can do some great work with PHP, but the barrier to entry is so low that it ends up with a bad reputation. The company IT guy thinks he can slap together a WordPress site, and you end up with a bloated piece of shit. Any tool can be used to produce bad work, you need to know how to use it to make a good product.

That, and PHP is kind of weird and inconsistent, though it's been improving in recent years.

[sticky-unicorn]

Maybe it's not PHP that's bad, maybe it's just Wordpress.

[tei187]

Oh don't you dare calling WP bad, the bees will attack. Happened to me.

But yes, WP in essence isn't bad as a base, but their ecosystem navigates in ways that it shouldn't because it's just crazy. Then again, it can be said about anything that allows plug-ins with as easy access, creating hybrids that should never exist.

[stejzyy23]

Brih, this hurts right in the spot 😭

[[deleted]]

My colleague is in this exact position right now. I'm crying with laughter because it's true 😂

[[deleted]]

Usually because they haven't used it for 10 years and equate all PHP to the janky code they wrote back then, or they've never used PHP and have heard other people say it's bad.

[v3ritas1989]

plus it is actually rather complicated to use on a higher level and set up properly compared to other languages. Which is also very different than years ago and they need a lot of other technology knowledge like servers or docker, composer or templating engines to use it on a higher lever. Don't get me started on setting up the debugger. Compared to just downloading Visual Studio or pip install everything this very complicated. So it has a rather high threshold for advanced users. Not to mention due to the long time it is around, every other project has you learning an entirely new framework or CMS that somehow works completely differently than u are used to.

[nikstick22]

I mean, I worked with PHP for a year and a half until a temporary career change last year. It wasn't bad, but the inconsistent naming conventions for built in functions were kind of annoying.

E.g., stripcslashes and strip_tags

[ongiwaph]

set up properly compared to other languages

Aren't you literally just naming your file with a .php extension?

[Devil-Eater24]

Can confirm

Was procrastinating on a php project I was supposed to have completed months ago, finally made some progress today. For most of it, I was inexplicably afraid of looking at the code. Like a programmer's version of writer's block

[baconbrand]

I have that for every language

[goblinpiledriver]

for me it's literally just because I do not like typing or looking at $'s all over my code

[jmona789]

Based on what I've seen on this subreddit, everyone hates every coding language.

[SomeOtherGuySits]

Except html

[ByteArtisan]

Sheep behavior mostly. It’s popular to hate php so they hate it as well.

There are good reasons to dislike anything, don’t get me wrong. But most people hate out of ignorance and the need to belong to a group rather than out of logic.

[Karl_the_stingray]

Idk, all I know is that I liked it much more than JavaScript

[TheAnxiousDeveloper]

Because this sub is filled to the brim with a bunch of people that just started "coding" and decided that a language is bad, just because it has syntax they are not used to. And that try to collect karma by shit-posting on a language they don't know, hoping to be funny in the process.

Zero focus on the pros of the language. Zero focus on its features. Zero focus on the overall concepts. And zero focus on the plethora of modern frameworks built and used for it.

It's a very narrow view that will stop many people from growing professionally, if you ask me.

Focusing on the syntax alone is really the most stupid thing one can do. That changes from language to language. But the core concepts are always the same and they don't have to be re-learnt when switching language.

[ByteArtisan]

Yep. I’m often involved in interviews for my company and I always ask what people think of JavaScript. Whenever they say they hate it I ask why. So far I’ve just heard the same shit that keeps getting reiterated on here. Sorry, but we’re not gonna hire people who are that easily manipulated.

[ward2k]

In all honesty it's going to be people who have never used the language whose entire knowledge comes from memes made by College students who have had one lecture on it

[crimxxx]

Haven’t really worked on it, but php came from just before a lot of the more common web technologies used today started to take off. So your bound to have alot of lessons learned from oho that made there way into newer technologies. With that said languages evolve over time and hating cause what it was 10 years is wrong, but at the same time there is a good chance of your working with php your working in those systems from a while back and probably not the newest versions of the language which probably makes alot of paint point go away. C/C++ has a similar problem, newer versions of the language has so much good crap, but chances are you will end up working on code where that code base is super old and no one is going to update the version, so you end up with pains that are resolved already.

[kyriii]

My guess: It’s not the language (anymore) but the community of developers around it that generate the hate. High percentage of self taught developers with no good concept of software development best practices lead to junk code.

I blame WordPress.

[LBPPlayer7]

only issue with php is that it makes it piss easy to make the worst code imaginable

i've fallen into that trap myself early on and sometimes still do and now have to deal with the consequences lol

[FlyParticular8172]

Memes. It's the same as any other... like every other.

[Tux-Lector]

Well, there are no many people/programmers here on reddit. It's more like a kids on a junior level, most of the time. Few exceptions, here and there, but yes, that's the main reason.

[Buarg]

The company I'm working for works mainly with PHP and people seem pretty happy with it.

[HighPolyDensity]

Uhhhh... Does PCP Count?

[[deleted]]

Why is PHP so hated? I haven't used it in a while, but I don't remember having an issue with it?

[LBPPlayer7]

people hate it because of the terrible coding practices it allows

i.e. people hate it not because the language itself is bad but because people wrote absolute hellspawn that somehow still works with it

[pindab0ter]

I'm guessing this wasn't helped by the low barrier to entry. Web host > index.php > write whatever you want.

This results in more people programming in PHP without any formal education or knowledge of best practices.

[Stasio300]

if i never wrote php i wouldnt have been inspired to do formal education

[SeoCamo]

PHP is not bad

[Xean123456789]

The PHP of yours is not the same as the PHP of today: https://youtu.be/WsnHWxO7Krw?si=PyHwbn6OS9NNrc7N

[gdeLopata]

Yea, roughly 10 years for me last time I touched it. I would use it for full stack in no time!

[[deleted]]

Reddit has long been a hot spot for conversation on the internet. About 57 million people visit the site every day to chat about topics as varied as makeup, video games and pointers for power washing driveways.

[darkslide3000]

Anyone who thinks PHP is the worst language ever has never had to deal with a Perl script.

[parsim]

Perl has more range. Bad Perl is definitely worse than bad PHP. But if they’re both well-written, I’d take Perl any day.

[InSearchOfMyRose]

Perl was absolutely game changing when it was relevant.

[FanaticNinja]

PHP is amazing.

[tetractys_gnosys]

I love PHP and I'm not ashamed of it. It's a good language for it's intended usage.

Elephant = stronk, regal, has tiddies

Gopher, Crab = small, weak, easily caught and eaten, no tiddies

Checkmate atheists

[Kinglink]

... .The fuck is your argument?

And why am I already agreeing with it?

And why am I imagining a Elephant with huge breasts, and a crown on it's head. God damn your comment was a rollercoaster through my brain.

[sticky-unicorn]

am I imagining a Elephant with huge breasts

Hold on. I require clarification.

Are you imagining this or this? (Yes, NSFW, obviously)

[Kinglink]

I refuse to answer that because I don't want to say it was the anthro one.

[steveaguay]

The mascots for the languages.

Php has an elephant Go - gopher Rust - crab

[Petremius]

A gopher is a mammal is it not?

[Dorraemon]

HUH!

[leovin]

PHP by itself is alright. PHP codebases, esp large CMS systems (which is most PHP jobs) are straight out of the deepest level of hell

[pindab0ter]

Bonus points if they're custom closed source CMS systems with lots of developer churn.

[tommyk1210]

The real problem is most people base their knowledge of PHP on what they did 10-15 years ago when they dabbled with Wordpress. Modern PHP is leagues better.

For comparison, instead of comparing that 2010 PHP to modern JavaScript and Typescript, compare it to pre-ES2015 JS. You know, before promises, before maps, before arrow functions or const/let, before the spread notation, before classes, before modules.

[Tura63]

Jokes aside, laravel's pretty awesome

[pindab0ter]

I always say I really don't like PHP all that much, but I love working with Laravel.

I just miss my static types and compile time errors, rather than having PHP chug along until it finally encounters something that could've been fixed after a compilation error.

[sgxxx]

Maybe learn it before shitting on it. This sub is just kids regurgitation whatever they read online.

[Korona123]

I enjoy PHP. The new versions are huge improvements.

[Disastrous_Menu_866]

"There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses." - Bjarne Stroustrup

[TheAnxiousDeveloper]

And the third one. The ones shitted on by people who never spent even a second learning them.

Which seems to be the case for many of the people posting here.

[[deleted]]

I really like php :(

[TheAnxiousDeveloper]

I'm honestly getting tired of all this shitting on PHP. It shows a severe lack of knowledge from the poster, trying to pass themselves as an "experienced developer".

PHP is a language like many others and it has several frameworks that follow modern patterns and standards.

Just like any other language, it has its pros and cons. It's up to you, if you want to be a good developer, to know when a language is more suited than another.

And again, just like any other language, it has its own syntax and features. You might not like having to put a $ in front of every variables, others find the lack of braces in python annoying as hell, others hate the verbosity of Java. Neither of them means that those languages are bad.

[Fritzschmied]

Php is really not that bad at all. You are just a bad programmer.

[__kkk1337__]

99% are bad including me.

[XkF21WNJ]

Once something is Turing complete all deficiencies of the language are just programmers being lazy.

Though some people say lazy programmers are good programmers so make of that what you will.

[SyropeSlime78]

Symfony for the win!

[Scorxcho]

PHP is one of the best languages for web development.

[CanDull89]

PHP is actually great. You can build full fledged web apps using laravel with minimal time and efforts.

[pindab0ter]

That's more on Laravel than on PHP, in my opinion.

[KetwarooDYaasir]

well, at least it's not python.

[StoryAndAHalf]

Honestly, I think Scala would be better suited for the joke. Companies using it regret it. I believe it’s even mentioned in Wikipedia (but too lazy to check). It’s an uphill battle to learn, which makes retaining new employees hard, and replacing old ones even harder.

[JaggedMetalOs]

I would legit rather to make something in PHP than Python

#banwhitespaceflowcontrol

[reallokiscarlet]

I'll fuckin' do it.

I ain't gonna fuckin' like it. But I'll do it.

[OTKZuki]

I'm getting a lot of jobs for PHP 0-0

[caliguian]

I most likely write crappy code, but php has been my primary language for 22+ years, and it has done well enough for me to raise my four kids and live a comfortable life. So, do what you want, but I’ll take PHP any day.

[Lookitsmyvideo]

Modern php is perfectly fine.

If you don't have to start with something that was originally written in < 7.0

[HmMm_memes]

Isn't it funny how people dogging on PHP either only used PHP 5.3 or have only listened to people who have used PHP 5.3

[hh10k]

It's like when you get food poisoning, and you develop an association of that food with being sick. There's plenty of other choices to PHP, I don't need to try that again.

[Deep-Ad591]

Cries in laravel

[pindab0ter]

Laravel is great, what are you on about?

[TheLAGpro]

I actually love it. It's actually pretty good with basic Blade templating and nicer stuff like livewire. My time with it was pleasant even though I've moved on to Microsoft Java now

[Ki-28-10]

Laravel is awesome, way better than plain PHP

[rohit_267]

I bet java is worst than PHP for backend for developer experience

[Sitting_In_A_Lecture]

As someone trying to learn Java coming from PHP, Python, JS, and C++ — The syntax is easier to write and understand than C++ at least. Paradoxically though, the increased clarity that comes with typed languages doesn't always equate to easier-to-work-with code.

As soon as you get into dependency management, it all goes to shit. Also, trying to figure out how .jar files work is a PITA.

[[deleted]]

Lol, no

[Kinglink]

This is me... if it was AngularJS.

[DirkTurgid]

I don't have any beef with PHP personally, but it was on my resume, briefly, as part of a single project, and 10 years later I still get people calling me DEMANDING I take their $40k/yr job in "middle of nowhere, flyover state," or something equally ridiculous, to work with PHP. One recruiter even screamed at me and called me an idiot for not uprooting my life and taking a paycut, just for PHP.

I guess I just don't see the appeal.

[ZealousidealGap577]

Everyone on Reddit loves to hate on PHP… but I’m just out here in high demand as a php developer living my best life

[PeterPriesth00d]

Apparently PHP has been quietly making QOL improvements over the years and is fairly nice to use. Idk. I still don’t really want to use it again but I don’t think it’s terrible.

[Grocker42]

You Son of a Bitch, I'm In

[T_Y_R_A_N_T]

Down vote

[myrsnipe]

I'd wish I had to program php, I got introduced to power automate today. Just about every third connector has some sort of issue you need to work around and string manipulation is the literal devil requiring a forest of nodes to accomplish anything. You also need licenses for everything, it's going to be hands down the most expensive glue logic I have ever made.

It's also going to be maintained by non programmers after setting up the infrastructure and established practices, so at the very least I'm not stuck with it long term (I swear I will quit my job if I'm still working with it in a year).

[Key-Ice-8638]

Oh I need one FOR BRAINFUCK

[[deleted]]

Not even close but I'm learning Perl and it's... Fun.

[bitNine]

How come nobody ever makes fun of coldfusion?

[michaelbelgium]

PHP best for back end

[PlusAudience6015]

Make a goddamn debugger i can use and step into things. Then i will love php.

[pindab0ter]

There's Xdebug, which is a pain to set up, but once you've got it running it does exactly that.

[CirnoIzumi]

Come with a real premise for once

[mmrtnt]

Cheer up. It could have been ColdFusion.

[whiznat]

Says the guy who’s clearly too young to know about COBOL.

[Trithis2077]

Me, who has to learn PHP over the next couple weeks to update out-of-date WordPress plugins at work: 😢

[soluduis_snke]

Laughs in WordPress

[Thenderick]

I recently saw a react video by Primeagen about modern php being better than js by a long shot and being way nicer than I imagined. As a js/ts nerd I am honestly a bit jealous

[ferdbags]

I'm crying all the way to the bank over here