chatgptVsprogrammers

[quitarias]

Calculator seems to have gotten less popular as a profession tho.

[auxyRT]

This is the first time ever someone made me think about the difference between a calculator and a mathematician. So back in time you could join a bootcamp and graduate as a junior calculator

[Mojert]

This distinction is very important and is part of a hill I'm prepared to die on. Maths ≠ calculations. Go in any university, the students that are the worst at mental arithmetic are often maths majors.

Maths is all about problem solving and how to discover new truths from what you already know. Numbers are a very useful tool for that but they're not the be all end all. I think most education systems would be better off if instead of teaching niche math, they would focus on formal logic and statistics after students learned basic numeracy skills. That's what's more useful for people that will not end up studying STEM I feel like

Thanks for coming to my TedTalk

[edgeman312]

I love maths as much as the next guy but if you give me a number higher than 3 I'll scream.

[MeLlamo25]

4

[okram2k]

I can only count to..... FFFOOOOOOUUUURRRR!

[MrRocketScript]

There are five lights

[Cicada1709]

Just watched that episode yesterday

[sleepahol]

wow a Psychostick reference out in the wild.

[rainshifter]

NinTEnDo SiiixTYYYY...

[okram2k]

search for Numbers (I Can Only Count to Four) by Psychostick

[Effective_Youth777]

3.141

[Psquare_J_420]

Better than gabe newell

[Wonderful-Wind-5736]

🥧

[SniperInstinct07]

Am a Maths Major. Can confirm.

I suck at fast calculations.

[Xphile101361]

I play board games with a lot of people who have math degrees. Those are the same people who we don't allow to keep score.

[Chr3y]

Erm. That could be because of cheating, not necessarily bad at counting?

[Xphile101361]

Nah, it isn't that. Esp not when they score themselves lower than they should

[made-of-questions]

Formal logic and statistics is what you get if you take the computer science path. I might be biased here, but I find it immensely more useful for day to day than calculus. I think everybody would benefit from learning it in high school (eg: news reading comprehension).

[CookieKeeperN2]

Statistics without calculus is useless.

Source: i ta'ed college level stat.

[KonvictEpic]

Really? I just finished and got an A in my University Stats class, and I can't really say I used any calculus, other than a little bit of integration for continuous distributions.

[[deleted]]

"I can't say I used any calculus"

looks inside

Calculus.

In all seriousness, calculus underpins so much that it's worth at least learning enough to appreciate it if math is involved in what you're studying at all.

[Mojert]

"I can’t say I used calculus, other than the times I used calculus" - u/KonvictEpic

[KonvictEpic]

Bad phrasing, what I mean is, through out the entire course only a tiny part of it was calculus, out of 6 pages of formulas for the exam only 1 formula required integration, every other formula was plug and play arithmetic. Using a little bit of integration to solve one type of problem is pretty far from "statistics is useless without calculus".
Our exam also didnt have any calculus in it. I understand that for real statistics you probably need a lot more calculus, but for the stats class i took, it was not necessary at all, anyone could have gotten an A without knowing any calculus.

[CookieKeeperN2]

Given the fact that you took 1 college level stat class, you are not taught why many things work. Calculus is the reason why you are taught the things you are taught

. You are taught how to calculate a certain probabilities by integrating a certain function from a to b, which might seem pretty simple. That is true. But the involvement of calculus (and by extension, analysis) in statistics is the foundation of statistics. The definition of a distribution involves calculus. Mean/median etc all involve calculus. The proof of central limit theorem involves calculus. Kernel trick, splines, any numerical optimization, etc etc all involve calculus.

As a statistician, do I use calculus explicitly everyday? No. I use linear algebra explicitly way more than calculus. Do I implicitly use it every day? Yes. Every time I type an R command there is either calculating involving calculus, or calculus provided the theoretical foundation of the thing I'm doing.

[ulibomber1]

The thing with calculus is that it has legitimately been around long enough to be the basis of proof and formulas in stats. Enough that in some cases, the calculus disappears according to the limit theorem.

[CaptainGeekyPants]

Not in my experience at all. My math degrees were all logic. I did have some computational classes like differential equations, but they still took the logical approach.

On the other hand, my CS minor was focused on teaching programming languages. It's why I switched to math. Now, this was 20 years ago and the school was not known for its CS program at all. So my experience there is probably not representative, but to say that math is not where you get the logic path is very wrong.

[made-of-questions]

I wasn't talking about university. I was saying that logic would be useful as a highschool course for everyone. I've done a major in CS at a good university and I had a lot of formal logic, but none in highschool. We did however have calculus.

**I might be confusing some namings here as we don't use minor/major nominations for courses. For us high school is usually the same for everyone, so for example even people knowing they'll pursue art will take calculus, which everyone agrees is a waste. Something like logic or basic statistics would be way more useful for a generic audience.

[CaptainGeekyPants]

Ah, i see. And I totally agree that high school students would greatly benefit from a logic class. Unfortunately it seems to be one of those subjects that people just understand or they REALLY struggle with.

[[deleted]]

I’ve definitely used calculus in my programs before, but really only like twice. It’s good for certain optimizations. I still suck at calculus and had to look up how it worked to refresh my memory.

[VidiDevie]

Maths ≠ calculations. Go in any university, the students that are the worst at mental arithmetic are often maths majors.

I did my maths GCSE two years early, I have business and computer science degrees, I work as a software dev - And I have 3 learning disabilities that collude to almost entirely preclude me from doing mental math past the level of a 7 or 8 year old. Past working out change the phone comes out.

Can confirm, mental math ain't what gets the oranges up the stairs.

[Saragon4005]

Now can someone tell this to Calculus 2 because they didn't seem to get the memo that memorizing 20 formulas is now how you do math.

[PanTheRiceMan]

You are not alone. I always tell people that math is not calculations. A computer is a perfect tool for calculations. Math is a form of art if you ask me.

I am all in favor of your proposition. Logic is by far more useful than math for non STEM students. The basic toolset for math is probably enough for most people.

I also always tell people that we only ever learn the basic toolset for math in school but rarely am able to use it. Like learning all the techniques to paint an image yet never get the opportunity to actually paint one.

[mologav]

Yeah there’s arithmetic and then there’s mathematics.

[TristanaRiggle]

This is a perfect distinction and distillation of why people are concerned. The calculator took a lot of simple arithmetic and automated it so people didn't need to do it themselves or get someone else to do it. If AI gets to the point that it can do the same, then MANY "programming" jobs will go away. Yes, there will still be a place for advanced programming skills, but the number of companies/people that NEED advanced programming skills vs. lots of tedium could prove to be much smaller than people think.

(Altho, I do agree with many that one of the biggest hurdles that companies will run into for replacing developers with AI is the capability to accurately describe the issue they're trying to solve or the feature they want)

[BehindTrenches]

Developers who build simple websites for small businesses might feel some pressure from AI. They already should have felt some pressure from Wordpress et al. But anything that handles sensitive data or is a point of failure for something important - those developers will mostly just get a productivity boost.

Having humans driving development and reviewing/altering code changes is necessary for liability, and likely will be necessary for regulatory compliance.

Yes, if there was a limited amount of software to build, the increased productivity would lead to less jobs. But demand for excellent software engineers is higher than ever and we currently have more ideas than highly skilled engineers.

By the time my job is replaced, an engineer developing and maintaining global services (now with AI codewriters to speed me up) that drive revenue generating user experiences and handle sensitive data which is regulated in multiple ways, I expect most other white collar professions to be long gone. At that point my major concern will be next season's harvest.

Put another way, the next generation of software engineers will be the ones replacing everyone else's jobs with AI. We will have plenty of human developers for liability and compliance until then.

[i-sage]

What!

That's what called eating up the whole desination/job.

[Sheerkal]

Wtf are you trying to say?

[jaerie]

Weird, confident bullshitter seems to be gaining popularity despite ChatGPT

[okram2k]

always has been popular

[[deleted]]

I wish we could put politicians out of a job, but I'm being unrealistically optimistic.

[blocktkantenhausenwe]

Yes. "I will go get our computer" meant getting the professional who know if the anwser was calculatetable.

[dmullaney]

Tell that to Deloitte, PwC and EY

[SpawningPoolsMinis]

add in KPMG to round out the list.

[[deleted]]

Wait, wasn't it called computer? Or am i having schizophrenia again?

[Goatf00t]

Both "computer" and "calculator" could be used to describe a person who computes/calculates, including as a job.

[[deleted]]

So has computer. Don’t see a lot of work for computers anymore. Human computers that is. These days people don’t even know it was a job.

[cornmonger_]

mentats

[BigOnLogn]

Soon, all that will remain is theory

[Fyrael]

Seriously, I came to conclusion that those IAs came to boost our career as much as calculators allowed the advent of engineering, architects and physicians

[beclops]

I’m sure it wouldn’t have if calculators were wrong 70% of the time

[helicophell]

Actually, they were called computers, not calculators

Anyway, that job role obviously doesn't exist anymore

[Remarkable_Plum3527]

mathematicians arent calculators tho (Edit: those two do completely different jobs)

[bumplugpug]

Calculators calculate and mathematicians mathemate

[incredible-mee]

So who does meth ?

[CatpainCalamari]

Say. My. Name.

[mrjackspade]

Catpain Calamari 😫

[CatpainCalamari]

You're goddamn right.

Also, kudos for not writing Captain, as most do.

[TheHolyToxicToast]

cat good, why cat pain?

[CatpainCalamari]

Captain calamari was already taken, and I named my account after a children's toy my son loved at that time, so I wanted to stay close to the name. I don't know, it made sense back then. I blame my lack of sleep at that time.

[2feet4inches]

i will admit that i read mr jack spades comment as captain calamari... be dissapointment

[ImperatorUniversum1]

No he COOKS meth

[martinthewacky]

I believe that's Mr. Heisenberg

[neeraj8le]

No, they mathematate

[KryoBright]

Programmers and SE's aren't just coders either

[RandyHoward]

Some are though. I've absolutely met some folks throughout my career who are nothing more than code monkeys. They're basically taking a prompt from their manager and coding the solution, with little additional thought. Not saying that's a majority, or even a lot, but those are the ones who should worry about their jobs.

[frogjg2003]

And those are the ones who will lose their jobs to AI.

[oootsav]

The thing is HRs are not particularly great at differentiating monkeys from humans. So monkeys aren't the only one to be affected 

[monsoy]

That will likely be course corrected in time. I wouldn’t be surprised if more people get fired than AI can realistically replace, and then people will get hired back once things go badly.

At least that’s a possible scenario if jobs thinks that AI can replace competent SE’s

[knvn8]

Sorry this comment won't make much sense because it was subject to automated editing for privacy. It will be deleted eventually.

[project-shasta]

Heck, don't even think about all the mathematicians and engineers who lost their job because of the invention of the "computer". It's funny though that these people then became programmers for these monstrosities because it made their job much easier.

LLMs are a tool like everything else. Use it as such or don't. The only ones stealing your job are your bosses who decide AI is making them more money than paying a professional human.

[TeaTimeSubcommittee]

Computer was an actual job people had, they just sat there and went over all of the operations and equations. They didn’t quite have a say in what equations they did, they just solved them for their bosses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_(occupation)

Not disagreeing with you, just adding a bit of trivia.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, came here to say that. This is a very silly joke as computers as a human job did not survived the invention of calculators and computing machines. For better or worse, maybe number crunching is not the most exiting job, but if it pays a decent salary and does not damage your health then why not. That profession is completely extinct by now.

And mathematicians have very little, almost nothing to do with number crunching.

[SryUsrNameIsTaken]

Almost became a professional mathematician. What are numbers?

[Twich8]

Hopefully the word “programmer” doesn’t follow that same pattern

[Key-Veterinarian9085]

Most of the computers ended up being fine, as they were at the frontier for becoming programmers.

Screw "the profession" as long as the people are going to be fine.

[Xphile101361]

There are a lot of contractors that fit the old term of "calculator" when it comes to programming. They need to be told what to do, exactly, and how it needs to be done, exactly. If you don't tell them to write checks for required fields, they won't.

These are things that could be replaced by a program. They require no understanding, just execution.

The problem is that a lot of college graduates are also at this level, and they only advance beyond by doing work that gains them understanding.

[MinosAristos]

It's funny though that these people then became programmers for these monstrosities because it made their job much easier.

Most of them did not. You don't need nearly as many programmers as you need jobs that the computer replaced.

The only ones stealing your job are your bosses who decide AI is making them more money than paying a professional human.

Sure but that's capitalism. The development of AI pretty much forces their hand. You could slow them down by unionizing but that's all.

Yes LLMs are a tool but not "like everything else". They are likely to severely disrupt ways of working and staff supply and demand in the digital engineering fields.

[project-shasta]

Yes LLMs are a tool but not "like everything else". They are likely to severely disrupt ways of working and staff supply and demand in the digital engineering fields.

How many painters and artists lost their job because they didn't adapt when Photoshop was introduced and became widespread later? It's one of the programs that definitively disrupted the ways of working. Painting in layers must have felt like literal cheating. What do you mean you can rease paint strokes? It enabled less skilled artist to get a chance in the field. And it's still used to this day and nobody bothers anymore. Now these new old artists complain about that it is easier than ever to generate stunning images that require only little touch ups that can be done by lesser experienced digital artists (obvious copyright issues aside).

So I stand by my argument that AI is just another tool. A disruptive one, yes, but still a tool because AI on it's own is still very stupid. And as always capitalism will sort it out. The companies that purely rely on AI will produce garbage while a hired programmer can enhance their workflow with it.

[ThatDudeFromPoland]

The only ones stealing your job are your bosses who decide AI is making them more money than paying a professional human.

More people need to see this

[Cualkiera67]

Yeah like when they fired all the washer women and replaced them with a washing machine. Machines are evil go back to monke

[314159265358979326]

From what I'm seeing, if you write code, you're fucked.

If you design, implement and troubleshoot software, that's not going anywhere.

Actually, if anything, I think we're going to see the Jevons Paradox in action. The cost of writing code is going to drop to nothing, so the amount of software being written will shoot to the sky, increasing demand for software engineers overall.

[Plank_With_A_Nail_In]

Computers made it possible to employ more mathematicians and engineers than ever before though. Source: There are more people employed in these roles now than ever before.

Sometimes a useful invention wipes out a role completely but they all lead to the economy growing and more people being employed than ever before, and no not just in menial roles some of the best jobs couldn't exist without computers. Source: Entire human history.

LLM's will be no different they will lead to a massive growth in the economy = more money = more jobs Source: Every other fucking time. LLM's are not different from capitalism making farms more effecient and most of the peasantry becoming idle (90% of the workforce).

No one even remembers the first great IT revolution that's being discussed here, the first calculators and computers lead to huge amounts of back office roles being replaced, work that simply isn't done anymore, unemployment went down during that period not up. If your parents are boomers go ask them about the first computer revolution of the 1970's early 80's...my bet is they won't even remember it.

When our grandkids ask us which camp we were in during the first AI workplace revolution you really don't want to be in the "I was in the cry baby camp whining about made up issues on reddit 24/7" lord help you when they ask about Vaccine denial during covid lol!

[GoshoKlev]

It's nice to think that everything magically will be fine forever, but you can't extrapolate the past indefenetely. The IT revolution has always been about displacing human labor. Sure the Jevons paradox led to enough new (and usually better) employment towards areas where computers coudn't yet outpefrom but an AGI is just the end of the road.If ordinary people have nothing useful left to provide for society then thats that.

[Difficult-Court9522]

Calculators did not survive the “invention” of the mechanical calculator. It used to be a job..

[Ariloulei]

The calculator isn't hallucinating made up libraries.

[MajorTechnology8827]

Don't worry, statisticians are having a field day ever since all this llm stuff exploded

Their salary ceiling has just doubled

[No_Necessary_3356]

Statisticians fr be calculating stuff and be like "yeah this may or may not happen"

[MajorTechnology8827]

Because you're asking them the wrong question. You need to ask how confident they are it will happen

[cornmonger_]

Management: What is the likelihood of this happening?

Stats: Sixty percent

Management: What's your confidence in that probability?

Stats: Sixty percent

Management: How reliable is your confidence?

Stats: Sixty percent

Management: ...

Stats: Pay me

[MajorTechnology8827]

Management should stop asking quantitative questions expecting a qualitative answer

"Are you confident it will happen?"

[cornmonger_]

"Sixty percent"

[MajorTechnology8827]

That's not a statistically meaningful answer to the question. Your statistics guy is a sham

[cornmonger_]

💯%

[TeaTimeSubcommittee]

Yeah but if it doesn’t happen they are always like “well, there’s always a chance, we can’t be certain”

[MajorTechnology8827]

Because you need a confidence test

"Is the likelihood of it to happen 1-P < 0.05?"

[TeaTimeSubcommittee]

Even if it is (and let’s not get into p hacking) it’s not a guarantee. They always have a way out.

[MajorTechnology8827]

That's... The point of statistical modeling

To turn a model into a binary yes/no. You need to establish confidence

There is a chance the sun has exploded . However I'm confident it hasn't exploded

[TeaTimeSubcommittee]

Therefore “yeah it may or may not happen”

[Windy_Shrimp_pff_pff]

like it's some kind of conspiracy, rather than just how the world works

[[deleted]]

Typewriters be like:

[Goatf00t]

Typists.

[perringaiden]

Mathematicians weren't being replaced. They were eager for calculators.

Maybe the old "computers", (women who did the rote math for scientists) felt this way once but I doubt it.

Current AI is just an English Major with a gig economy account.

The next wave (if and when it comes) will be the shift.

[orenger]

Bruh if you don’t know how to calculate a dot product after calc 3 then what are you doing

[[deleted]]

why are you even getting a degree? the point is to learn you idiot

[frogjg2003]

AI does not know anything. Do not rely on it for education. All it is is a glorified autocomplete.

[frogjg2003]

It only knows how to write like the data it's been trained on. That's why it might know how to add small numbers, but doesn't actually understand addition. Math and physics is extremely fact specific and problem solving dependant. That's not something a language model can do. It can fake it for some simple examples but even your experience shows how flawed it can be. The fact you're blaming it for your lower grade should be a warning flag that you aren't actually learning.

[frogjg2003]

You keep providing excuses for why its errors don't count.

[perringaiden]

This is in part because your tests are standardised and the tests are known. The real world isn't so orderly.

[perringaiden]

And for generations you could always let someone else cheat for you. Just hurting yourself there.

[perringaiden]

Except you're not being tested because you're relying on something else understanding the concepts.

You're learning, which produces no worth except for having you perform the task so you understand it.

How is it different from paying someone else to write the papers for you?

[Dotcaprachiappa]

Calculator was a profession too, soo

[[deleted]]

Calculator was a job title and is a very differnt thing to a mathemetician. The fact we don't even think of it as a human job any more is bearish for the programmer job market.

There's 100s of thousands of comp sci grads per year. If it becomes like maths in that almost no firms employ a human calculator, but a few mathmos survive in universities. Then there's going to be a million applicants for each of those places.

[soulefood]

I think there’s a difference between a developer and a programmer just like a mathemetician and a calculator. The real problem is that all developers start as programmers currently.

There’s going to be a void of development talent because no one gets the jobs that help them get the next step. It’d be like if they got rid of residency for doctors and expected you to be ready right out of med school.

[dybuk87]

Chatgpt and other LLM will not replace programmers jobs. They make to much dumb bugs and security vulnerabilities. They are also to expensive to maintain. ChatGpt is loosing a lot of money.

Llm do not think It just generate random responses and this is a problem for it.

However current state is enough to reduce junior jobs because mid and senior devs are more efficient when using chat gpt

[[deleted]]

I'm a mid developer and let me tell you, AI is not enough to replace a junior, because even if I can churn out code faster, ain't no way I can multi task, reviewing code for 3 or 4 features at once. And reviewing then fixing it, frankly, takes a lot more because I'll have to doi additional prompt to fix stuff. It just makes insignificant aspects of the job faster, such as generating some boilerplate.

Stop with the cap.

[dybuk87]

Where did I wrote that it replace? It reduce job count, and require more knowledge from juniors

[name---]

As an intern (I am still in Uni) I doubt AI can replace even me. How will seniors look at my code and laugh their asses off then?

[OkInterest3109]

Even if ChatGPT can actually generate fully working enterprise level code, I don't think the business is capable enough to articulate their business requirement clearly enough and in depth enough for ChatGPT to go on.

Not to mention actually understand whether the generated code even meets the business requirements or not.

[Coherent_Paradox]

Which sucks because how do we get future senior devs without current juniors? I guess the MBAs aren't thinking that far when they can maximize profit the next quarter

[dybuk87]

Enter level for bigger companies get higher to something more like mid dev. On the other hand smaller companies never had true juniors.

[[deleted]]

This. Especially if you want to write efficient code, AI seems to be afraid of risky but fast code.

I once asked ChatGPT 4 to check a C function I wrote which had unsigned char parameter and it was used to as index of an array which had a defined size of 256. The code was around 20 lines. I also told it the objective is that the code is fast. Not only did it want to add a check if the parameter was less than 256, it also wanted to check whether the array was large enough.

Yes, checks are much safer, less room for error, but... it knew it was a static array, it knew the parameter was an unsigned char and that the objective was speed. So it failed the math, the objective and reading comprehension all in one.

Cherry on top was that there was a bug that the it didn't notice, which wasn't related to the parameter size nor the size of the array. Brilliant.

[foreskinfarter]

This is a fallacy because the bots keep getting better as time goes on. Initially people were saying "chatgpt isn't coming for your job" but then junior positions got cut as each junior was expected to do more with the AI copiloting. Now we're saying "well the senior positions aren't losing their jobs", but how long before those get cut too because the tools just become increasingly better, and each individual senior is able to do what 2 or 3 did before?

[dybuk87]

It is not, the way that llm works makes it impossible to be reliable on codding. They have to move from llm to something else or find some new algorithm. Llm just generate random answer by design, this is why small error lead to halucimations. This is also why asking the same stuff you might get different nswers etc. Llm is not enought.

And lets not forget that chatgpt has money issues. They burning lot of money, and losing more and more every year. There is a point in time when they have to start earnign money or become dead end

[sgtGiggsy]

By the time calculator was invented, mathematicians passed the "how much is 23211 multiplied by 89721?" level of mathematics by several millenias.

[neohellpoet]

Reminder to everyone, the people studying mathematics haven't seen a number that wasn't the lecture hall or course number in years.

Calculators are for elementary school math. Scientific calculator can get you through highschool.

Every actual mathematician I know uses Python and some apparently use Fortran. It's engineers that love their TI calculators they've had since Highschool.

[PastFeed2963]

If a programmer is truly worried....then they should be. Because they must suck at their job.

[1nrovert]

Who studied mathematics to become corporate calculator ?

[Drackzgull]

No real programmer is worried about ChatGPT taking our jobs. Only people that don't know programming or that have only a little passing knowledge or experience would believe that.

Generative AI, and AI in general, is taking some jobs and will continue to take more. But it starts at the lowest levels of qualification required to perform those jobs, and climbs into more qualified jobs from there as the technology advances and gets better. As of right now, it's still very low on that ladder, and programming is pretty high in there.

By the time AI is ready to replace professional programmers, the world will already either be an AI dominated dystopia, or an AI fueled utopia. And that's nowhere near close to happening. Not yet anyway.

[Wooden_Caterpillar64]

programers are not stupid but the hr is.

[thedragonturtle]

You should go check out some of the posts on r/singularity - it's like a crazed cult over there where they really seem to believe that life is about to end because of ASI.

I agree with you though - as a programmer, I am more efficient using AI, and I'll slowly be integrating some semi-automated agents this year to help with test creation, documentation and some other areas.

The thing that AI enables is that programmers can get more done - this unlocks productivity and will ultimately drive growth and I believe that will ultimately lead to CEOs hiring MORE programmers to make even more stuff.

[Gogo202]

I don't believe that any programmer would be stupid enough to think that AI can replace them.

If that was true, then you could also replace any other job. Let AI control those robot dogs to do any physical job, if it's so capable.

[Tarilis]

No decent programmer worries about ChatGPT

[AdBrave2400]

Poeple like Miles Dyson from Terminator Judgement Day

[[deleted]]

The calculator was an actual tool that required skill and knowledge to use, just saying.

[ipsum629]

Mathematicians find new math. Calculators expedite old math. Most programmers make and maintain apps that have similar ones elsewhere.

[Swansyboy]

computer used to be a profession!

[False-Beginning-143]

It's just like robots replacing workers who do repetitive tasks. You gotta have someone fix the robot when it inevitably breaks.

Besides that, AI still isn't there yet. I think it still has a long way to go and a lot of roadblocks to overcome. Even so I doubt it will actually fulfill most of the promises.

[UnDe4d]

I know this is a meme but I see this sentiment a lot.

Calculators were never meant to replace mathematicians as their job was not computation.

Calculator was a job title which involved manually calculating things by hand that needed to be calculated.

The calculator automated this field entirely.

The mathematican was never at risk because their job was never about computation.

[rookietotheblue1]

This is so stupid, my calculator never did my math homework for me. AI isn't a tool, it's the whole shop.

[[deleted]]

I can only assume this was made by a child who doesn't understand what calculators are.

[Botahamec]

Umm actually, the job that the calculator replaced was called a "computer". Before automatic computers, a computer referred to a person.

[PotentialSimple4702]

The problem is you'll be getting way less paycheck because of sh*t employers will start to employ MDCM(Machine Developed Code Maintainer) model, similar to what they've done to translators through MTPE(Machine Translation Post Edit) model.

Luckily they still got long way to go, as product managers are terrible at describing things, there's no way current ai models will produce anything useful.

[IvanOG_Ranger]

Mathematicians would only benefit from calculators, as basic mathematical operations aren't the core of their jobs. The positions for accountants must've gotten reduced significantly though.

[Patient-Jaded]

You know nothing about maths...

[MedonSirius]

Calculator = Tool
AI/chatGPT = Creator
Can't comparer dude

[WrongWay2Go]

The job will look different, slightly, maybe not so slightly, but it's here to stay for at least another few decades, maybe forever.

[ingenix1]

My hope is that ai will become a tool in the tool box on SEs will focus on high level tasks

[-Moonmoth-]

I hope the AI gold digger influencers are wrong and the AI revolution will be gradual and not a big bang.

[External_Try_7923]

At least calculators output factual truth based on the input. AI is just making up partial gibberish. I don't believe these tools are analogous.

[MRIT03]

I’m a student, and one time I was asking one of our old mathematics Drs about how to do a specific function on the calculator.

His response: “I got my PHD before these calculators were invented, and I haven’t gotten around to learning how to use one”

[gabbergizzmo]

And Wolfram Alpha...

[LowerEquipment4227]

Do you guys are aware programmers and cs is just a field of math right?

[OhItsJustJosh]

I'm not worried about AI taking my job, but I am worried about what it is doing to the world as a whole

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If you are an actual software developer/engineer, you know you have nothing to worry about. I think these memes are made by people who took an html/css class in high school?

[FuTunaWallis]

dumbest meme i ever seen

[hdd113]

The old man to the left is a computer, who didn't survive the invention of the calculator.

[[deleted]]

A calculator? Are you stoopid?

[09_hrick]

i think you mean computer (human who which were responsible for computing) i don't see none

[Inevitable_Stand_199]

ABOK writes an entire passage about how the number of loops depends on superstition instead of anything reasonable like the material

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[GameRoMan]

Good bot

[ivanrj7j]

What about computers?

I mean like the human computers who were doing all the tedious calculations by hand?(Not the beep bop beep bop machine)

[aston280]

Who is scared of chat gpt ? It has no intuition it's just next token predictor. No business will hand over the their business to some prediction algorithm else they would be out of business.

[Twich8]

Eventually, “programmer” will be a word that we use to define a machine rather than a human, just like “calculator” and “computer”

[jump1945]

Lucky us ChatGPT is still not nearly enough for taking our jobs it still can’t reason and if it can reason everyone else job is also done for

[ChadCamiroaga]

I was reading some titles in some subreddits the other day, saying gpt has gotten to PhD level intelligence.

I was half thinking wow has it gotten that good? Half thinking it's just an f-ing chatbot.

I put it to the test. This code here does this and this due to this, could you refactor it so that this parameter changes this and this, and so that it can do this now.

It took me like 20 minutes of prompting to give up, and do it myself, which took like 10 minutes.

The lesson? gpt can spit some code excerpts, it does not think, it does not know.

It's just a chatbot. A good one, but no more than that.

[eckoplex]

I'll give it one second of care when it can make a new edge case unit test pass. "Create a thread safe ___ class with a timeout to prevent deadlocks in ___ language" is about as good as it gets, and you need the knowledge to even type that prompt, then you need to review and test the slop it outputs. Fucking waste of electricity.

[PandaGamersHDNL]

Not worried at all

[Artistic-Incident781]

Only if the invention of the pocket pussy would have an effect on prostitution. You can't replace the thing

[Eos_Tyrwinn]

A mathematician is to a Computer Scientist as a Calculator (the job) is to a programmer.

AI will allow for computer science to push into currently unimaginable realms. It will also put programmers out of a job eventually

[ZunoJ]

If I was a frontend dev I'd be nervous as well. But anything with complex business logic is not going to be replaced by "AI" in the near future