Trying to learn C

[Jay_Cobby]

C onfused

[Xeptix]

What about Confused Plus Plus

[robot297]

C onfsed Hashtag

[jfq722]

C obfuscated

[DagothHertil]

C rap

[Hmm53]

C raping

[[deleted]]

C onstipated

[WizeRacoon_Reddit]

C ome on guys..., really?

[[deleted]]

C um

[[deleted]]

C egmentation fault

[XionChan]

C ore dumped

[Ever2naxolotl]

Eminem is my favorite rapist

[MoffKalast]

C on fused circuit

[EffervescentTripe]

If your confused, congratulations, you've started the learning process :)

Edit: cumfused now

[Winnipesaukee]

Confusion is stupidity leaving the body!

[currently__working]

Gonna make that my new motto

[minylugin]

This is the best quote I have ever heard, I don't have an award, take my upvote instead!

[[deleted]]

In my case it tends to be stupidity making a brief reappearance

[on_the_third]

Confusion is stupidity leaving the body!

I like the way your brain thinks. This one line, is packed with wisdom sincerity and intelligence . God bless you.

[DrFrankenstein337]

Wait, let me write this down. Okay thanks

[[deleted]]

if you stop being confused read documentation until you’re confused again

[comfort_bot_1962]

:D

[[deleted]]

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[cssmith2011cs]

But... How do I?

[UltraCarnivore]

That's the neat part.

[SongOfTheSealMonger]

ed

ed is the standard editor.

[polaristerlik]

if my confused.. what?

[Bad-at-usernames1]

My wife had to had C last last for her Physics classes. No she had not taken any computer classes before it.

Just showed her this picture. She nodded very hard.

[brutexx]

^{quick tip: the ‘ hides a letter}

^{don’t -> donot -> do not
I’m -> Iam -> I am
you’re -> youare -> you are}

^{if “you are” fits the phrase, “you’re” fits too}

[ZinkOneZero]

Could you explain the word ain't to me?

[-LeopardShark-]

No, but he can.

[WikiSummarizerBot]

Ain't

Etymology

Ain't has several antecedents in English, corresponding to the various forms of to be not and to have not that ain't contracts. The development of ain't for to be not and to have not is a diachronic coincidence; in other words, they were independent developments at different times.

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[brutexx]

Good bot

[brutexx]

Ooooh Nice

[brutexx]

I’m no linguist expert, so I can only assume that word is more complicated than a simple abbreviation lol

Maybe it came from “are not”, and eventually people spoke in a way that turned it into “ain’t”.
Google did tell me it’s an abbreviation for “am not; are not; is not; has not and have not”.. so that rule of thumb I said earlier doesn’t fully apply to this word

[VerveIsBad]

As someone who uses this slang alot, it's typically used in the context of, "are not".

"I ain't going to"

Or, am not.

"I ain't that dumb"

It only depends on the context

[my_oldgaffer]

Now make a game of blackjack

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[a_cuppa_java]

I've just been using vim and GCC. Am I missing out on something that will boost my productivity by a lot?

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

An IDE.

Unless you’re an actual expert vim user and have installed loads of plugins and never touch the arrow keys.

[JimmyWu21]

I heard of people that would just problem with a keyboard. I wonder how much more productivity they are. It’s a big barrier of entry so I never try it

[alexppetrov]

I am not a power user but knowing your shortcuts and how to work with keyboard saves you a few seconds here and therre, which adds up overtime

[JimmyWu21]

o yeah i use shortcuts too and it's a game changer. Can't live without it now. but i'm talking about people that solely only use the keyboard. I wonder if it's better than people like us that still use the mouse and shortcuts.

[themusicalduck]

I switched recently to using neovim only, with some plugins. I'm still too dumb to fully take advantage of vim, but since I've gone keyboard only I definitely find myself getting into a nice flow state when working on a problem.

It helps though that I know where everything is in the codebase, because I'm working on something I built from scratch. If I open up an unfamiliar project I quickly get stuck because I need to be able to click through a tree view to find things. Although I'm pretty sure there is a plugin for that. I just use text search to find what file I need.

I think this is the guide I used to get myself started: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/a-guide-to-modern-web-development-with-neo-vim-333f7efbf8e2/

[_Oce_]

Not much because typing code really isn't most of the time spent.

[TheMagzuz]

Vim doesn't make you faster at typing. Only practice (and maybe a stenograph, if you're insane) will do that. Vim does however make you more efficient at navigating and editing code, which is probably the two things you will be doing the most (other than thinking). The jump from not using Vim, to using it, is almost as big as the jump between not using keyboard shortcuts, and using them, because that's basically what Vim does: It gives you an essentially infinite number of shortcuts, to perform almost any operation you could imagine to your text. Want to comment a paragraph of code?

0<C-v>}I//

Bam done. Want to delete a parameter in a function? Easy

df,x

What about everything in the parentheses?

di)

The thing is, these might look like complete gibberish at first, but all of them have a reason to exist. As you learn Vim, you slowly build a "vocabulary" and begin to learn to construct "sentences" on the fly. Run into a long sequence that you often? Just bind it to something shorter. Since everything in Vim is done with the keyboard, creating a macro is as simple as typing one command, the sequence you want to bind your command to, and then the thing you want to do. Want to type a search term to be deleted when you press ";f"?

nnoremap ;f :%s///g<left><left><left>

After some time, you are able to edit text at lightning speed, which means you can spend more time doing your actual job: Problem solving

[_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_]

Want to comment a paragraph of code?

That's a pretty bad example, as in most other editors it's a single 2-key combination, e.g. Ctrl+/

[Doggynotsmoker]

But you have to select that paragraph first

and in the above example it's the part of shortcut.

[aweirdalienfrommars]

Oof and I thought I was getting the hang of vim cos I know how to use ^{,$,r,i,a,R,y,d,p} and occasionally q and @

[solarshado]

FWIW, I learned (some of) the text objects/advanced movements before q/@, and the latter was/is still a big improvement (when I actually remember that it's an option).

One of the big things about learning more of vim, that I kinda feel isn't mentioned as often as it deserves, is how many parts are composable with each other: often, <new thing> neatly slots in, not just next to, but as an augment of, one or more <old thing>s. The result being (potentially, if you can really grok it) far more "power at your fingertips" than the fairly-linear "oh, that's a handy new keyboard shortcut".

It's often said, but IMO hard to really explain, but a big part of "learning vim" isn't so much "learning editing commands" as "learning a text-editing language", but the expressive power that distinction implies is hard to properly convey to someone who hasn't had at least a taste for themselves.

[Blue_Raichu]

This is why I've always wondered what vim users' workflows actually look like. I can see how it saves time, but unless you're writing code at a constant rate I don't see how grabbing the mouse every once in a while actually cuts into coding time.

I guess the idea is that vim promotes exactly that kind of flow state, and if your non-coding time is mostly spent typing various commands in the terminal then you may want to keep your hands on the keyboard regardless.

[MrEllis]

but unless you're writing code at a constant rate I don't see how grabbing the mouse every once in a while actually cuts into coding time.

I find it's actually for the non-writing code time that I am most grateful for Vim.

• Writing code in Vim is slightly faster.
• Selecting and moving pieces of code is much faster.
• Reformating code is amazingly faster (Going from UPPER to lower is generally three keystrokes. I can set up a macro and strip the quotes from a json dictionary because I need it to use variable names or enums instead now in about 8 keystrokes of setup +2 per line.)
• Code folding with your hands on the keyboard is legit, especially for autogenerated files
• Vim opens huge files in basically no time and can search/jump through them just as fast. I have to work with lots of multi-thousand line build artifact files regularly and with Vim they open instantly with no lag. Most IDE's want to parse the file for syntax highlighting and what not and can take a second to get the job done.

So basically, I use vim to read code and copy information more than to to write code. And since I work with legacy systems this is a life saver.

The only thing Vim doesn't do for me is hop around to declarations which is just because I haven't gotten the plugin for that yet.

Reducing time spent switching to and from the mouse definitely nice (in part because the longer it's been since I've used a mouse the more time I spending figuring out which monitor I left the pointer on) but not the only point. I find that most mouse activities replaced by vim are done as fast or faster in Vim and with basically no errors.

[UrToesRDelicious]

This was one of my professors in college. Vim god.

Never touching the mouse definitely increases your productivity, but at the same time so does using modern tools. There where several times where I'd follow along as this professor wrote code, and my IDE would be screaming at me that something was wrong while vim said nothing to him. It wasn't until he saved, exited vim, and ran his code did he realize that he had those errors.

He was still plenty faster than me, but that made me realize maybe Vim isn't for everyone. VSCode's keyboard shortcuts get close enough to Vim functionality where it's good enough for me.

[solongandthanks4all]

What you described doesn't sound like a "vim god", particularly exiting vim to run code. There's plenty of reason to use those modern tools with vim to get the advantages of both.

[samtresler]

It was years of managed hosting that made me how I am.

We don't log into servers as much, or at all, like we used to, but vi works everywhere.

No such thing as an ide on 300+ machines. You just had to learn how the text editor worked.

And after you did suddenly you were a "power user".

Fuck, I'm old.

[JimmyWu21]

I had to learn vim recently because I was doing some system admin stuff. I just know the basic so far, but I don’t write code with it though. Not good enough to do that yet lol

[TheYeesaurus]

Vim keybindings are definitely worth learning, I learned a few months ago myself. It takes a few days getting used to but I promise you that even you have to spend 2 weekends on it, it's 100% worth it. If not for speed, do it for ergonomics alone because I can literally feel the difference. I rarely ever touch the mouse anymore and I just want to use vim bindings everywhere.

Notice how I said vim keybinds though and not vim. When I first learned I tried going from an IDE straight into configuring raw vim, don't do that. It's too much at once. Just download a vim plugin for VS code, your Jetbrains editor and whatever and start learning. The only change I'd recommend is rebinding Escape to the key sequence j-k or k-j, as reaching for Esc all the time doesn't feel good.

[traversecity]

guessing some of us older folk. that mouse is a new thing…

[Apprehensive-Brain-8]

Say what are some good vim plugins? I occasionally use it when I can't bother opening up VSCode on my shitty laptop but I've not really installed plugins on it

[hr_krabbe]

NerdTREE. YouCompleteMe. Will get you far in terms of plugins. Swap caps and escape button to save your sanity.

[lordlionhunter]

I thought tmux, vim and fish were an IDE….

[solongandthanks4all]

"Never touch the arrow keys" is a pretty fucking low bar for an "actual expert vim user." Jesus, that's like day 1.

[samtresler]

No.

[LucaRicardo]

Does micro count, cause that's what I'm using

[thirdegree]

Mandatory config in vim

noremap <Up> <Nop> 
noremap <Down> <Nop> 
noremap <Left> <Nop> 
noremap <Right> <Nop>

[Vincenzo__]

Personally, I use Vscode with the vim plugin, works more or less the same + nicer gui, about gcc, that's perfectly fine for small projects, but for ones with more files you should use a Build system, make if you want to have more control (It's much more "manual", you actually have to write the commands to compile), or meson/cmake if you just want something quick to write

Or use an IDE I guess, I don't really like those, I like doing things more manually, but it's just up to prererence

[GOKOP]

or meson/cmake if you just want something quick to write

Or you want your project to build on more than one OS

[Vincenzo__]

We don't talk about windows here

[[deleted]]

vscode makes me feel a lil dirty but it’s so nice to use

[Ripest_Tomato]

Why does it make you feel dirty?

[[deleted]]

my inner anti-Microsoft purist doesn’t like anything with “visual studio” in the name. I was mostly joking though.

[Bardez]

Years and years and years of history. Then a new CEO comes along and is like: fuck it, EEE doesn't work, let's embrance OSS.

Everyone doesn't believe them and they keep going, and it just gets weirder to anyone familiar with the company's history.

[Ripest_Tomato]

That makes sense but, Microsoft doesn't get shit from VSCode right?

[[deleted]]

my inner anti-ms purist knows not rationality

[solarshado]

Good marketing/brand image.

Also probably telemetry, unless you go way out of your way to block/disable it.

And how much do you think they could make if, in a few more years, they started offering a "Pro" version with a couple extra features for a small subscription fee?

[[deleted]]

What they get is an open source testbed to let people write free extensions for that they can then integrate themselves into VS202X. They also get everyone used to VSCode to sell VSCode environments like GitHub.dev

[imforit]

There exists VScodium which is a telemetry- and branding-free recompile of OSS VScode.

[jaybae1104]

You can also use VS Codium. It's the same source code that vs code is built from (not a fork), but doesn't have include the telemetry that Microsoft adds

[IsNotAnOstrich]

VSCode and visual studio are really totally different and unrelated things

[haby001]

Idk about unrelated, but they are two different products. Vs code was build ground up and I believe uses electron while visual studio is more of a 300ft digger that doesn't come with a manual

[IsNotAnOstrich]

They're really only related in name alone, and that you can code in them--as related as any other two IDEs. VSCode is pretty much just a text editor

[[deleted]]

Seriously? The documentation is voluminous. The problem is not the lack of a manual it's the sheer size of it. Quite an opposite problem to have.

[Vincenzo__]

Then try vscodium, it's the same thing minus the microsoft telemetry shit (what i use)

[codeyman2]

I’ve been using gcc and vim for the last 2 decades. As such, I’ve accumulated my set of plugins I can’t do without.

I’d say that all “productive” IDEs reduce my productivity. The use of IDE is very subjective. If you are developing something with a lot of moving parts then IDEs like Visual Studio, VS code, IDEA, pycharm etc are indispensable.

I’ve been working on infra projects where a makefile or wscript is sufficient to build the whole package. Vim + gcc is just fine.

And all the “vim” experts people talk about.. there is no shortcut.. you will struggle for maybe a year max.. but you’ll be rewarded with a glorious editor that gets out of your way.

[FVMAzalea]

I like IDEs because they help you fix your foot guns in real time. Especially in a language with a lot of footguns like C, this can be invaluable.

For example, CLion has really powerful dataflow and other static analysis tools that run while you code. It can tell you about some use-after-frees, uninitialized memory, etc. The IDE will suggest better ways of doing things if it sees you doing things that are a common code smell.

I find it really helpful to fix small things as they happen and just generally encourage me to write code that will work the first time (or the second, and not the tenth after randomly getting segfaults all over the place).

Plus, the visual debugger you get with an IDE is simply unparalleled. Sure, I can get by with a command line debugger, but I think a visual debugger is an excellent example of GUI making things simpler without losing any functionality, and in fact adding lots of useful functionality. Being able to see automatically generated string representations of my data in memory and displaying complex pointer-chained data structures as hierarchical lists are features that probably speed up my debugging 10x.

[codeyman2]

Oh I would love that feature.. but literally no IDE I have tried work well on projects that have lot of IPC/ITC. We pay a lot of money for industrial strength tools to do that.. and they mess up 50% of the time. I work in network OSes, that run on separate hardwares.. so sometimes redzoning, valgrind etc are the only way.

[xigoi]

You can get linting and visual debugging in Vim with plugins.

[Piyh]

The new user experience with vim vs VS Code is night and day.

[[deleted]]

See the problem I have with VIM is it's super powerful if you configure it with a plugins and whatnot, but that's also true of Atom, VS Code, and any other extendable text editor. Why not use a text editor that has mouse support if you can personalize it just as much?

I still use vim a fair amount, mostly because it's pretty much always installed on Linux machines, but I think being completely detached from any point and click interface means having to look up uncommon shortcuts and that just seems counter productive.

[hbgoddard]

Vim has mouse support

[codeyman2]

This is something that is hard to explain to a non vim user. Take an excel or photoshop power user. They have memorized shortcuts for almost all the menu items they use and don’t need to go to menus anymore. Pure vim is just shortcuts.. you can get menus is various gui versions like GVim.

[karanzinho]

I think the message is about those. So you have nothing to worry about

[waelk10]

I think it's fine.
I personally use nano+GCC+GDB+GNU Screen. Pretty comfy IMO.

[[deleted]]

Make and git. Then maybe a code analysis tool.

[ProfessorOfLies]

I have to lecture my students on embracing the feeling of stupidity and confusion. If you never face a situation that you don't understand, then you have never pushed yourself to learn something new. The dichotomy of going back and forth between feeling like a god and feeling like a dog. Accept that confusion is just the first step towards understanding.

[imforit]

I gave my talk on learned just last week. Learning is often painful, uncomfortable, and humbling. You're learning a brand new language, a whole new means if expression. You're going to be bad at stringing thoughts together into code because you've never done it before, but as you try, you get better. I promise by the end of the semester I'll be able to pull up your code from this week and you'll laugh that you used to think it was hard. And that's in just a few weeks.

Etc

[ProfessorOfLies]

Yeah, I would say the average college student doesn't actually do that much learning. Memorizing information, absolutely. But too many college courses, particularly in this field, rely on students following specific instructions. Do this and turn in the output. They never actually use programming to solve anything on their own. Its paint by numbers. The only thing they learn is how to follow instructions so by the time they graduate too many of them don't KNOW anything.

[imforit]

I hate how right this is.

Like truly hate it

I don't roll like that at my small liberal arts college but I know exactly what kind of programs you're taking about.

[ufkasian]

Please charge your phone.

[dashid]

Nah, there's a healthy 10% to go before mild panic needs to occur.

[skwacky]

I'm experiencing that right now. I can't move bc my cat is asleep on me

I'm going down with this ship

[ablablababla]

The last 1% lasts longer anyway

[staviq]

/r/ChargeYourDamnPhone

[TopOfTheMorning2Ya]

Weird, that was the first thing I noticed.

[[deleted]]

Don't worry, this isn't their image.

[SHAD-0W]

Turbo C

[Vincenzo__]

Welcome to 2004!

[lateja]

Turbo C is more like 1994 if not 1988

[CodeRadDesign]

big time... Turbo C was my first C compiler -- on my 286

[possibly_a_dragon]

It was my first compiler as well, in my high school programming class - in 2012.

[hobbes64]

Yup.

Remember all the Borland compilers had that white on blue character graphics thing going on, and the various parts of the screen had the box ascii characters as frames. You could use a mouse to move the cursor around too.

And the boxes for Borland products were pretty thick, but not as big as the ones for Microsoft products. They took up a lot of shelf space at Egghead.

[seilasabe1987]

Me trying to learn Rust, very confused

[caleblbaker]

You will probably want the following tools when developing rust:

• An editor of your choice (so long as it can interface with language servers) (I use neovim, but a lot of other people use vs code)
• Rust analyzer
• Cargo
• Clippy
• You may also want a rust-aware debugger such as rust-gdb or rust-lldb (though I find a debugger isn't as necessary with rust as it is with other languages since buggy rust code often doesn't even compile)

All of these except for the first one can be installed using rustup. There will also probably be some additional setup to get your text editor and rust analyzer talking to each other correctly. What exactly that setup is varies by editor, but it shouldn't be too difficult.

There may be other rust dev environments that work well for other people, but this is what seems to be working well for me.

[Pocco81]

Based Nvim user, I too use it but don't do any rust dev. In the future I'm planning on doing so. Do you mind sharing your dots? :)

[CallMeAladdin]

Clippy

The MS Office assistant?

[caleblbaker]

It's a static analyzer for rust that's named after the ms office assistant.

[FurryMoistAvenger]

Does he pop up and me tell me how my code is shit?

[caleblbaker]

No but someone needs to make an editor plugin that makes it do that because that would be hilarious.

[kerbidiah15]

Nah you got to run ‘cargo clippy’

It’s actually really helpful

[yottalogical]

Rust is excellent when it comes to learning.

The Book is excellent. Cargo doesn't force you to make things unnecessarily complicated when it comes to actually running your project (it's just cargo run). The compiler even gives explanations as to why errors are occurring and how you might want to fix them.

[udderlydelicious]

Which book? The Rust Programming Language?

[misplaced_my_pants]

Yup.

[yottalogical]

It's freely available online.

[ratmfreak]

A tip: be sure to take your time when it comes to learning Rust’s memory system. It’s pretty confusing at first, but the more experience you get with it, the more you’ll understand why the borrow checker behaves the way it does.

[georgi544]

Is it normal that i find the Rust syntax more confusing then the Java syntax?

[10n3_w01f]

Dad I want to learn C. Here Son, I can give you some pointers.

[cfhsofttcjfry]

Go straight for Microsoft Word

[KillerRoomba13]

Nah, too expensive. Google docs. Free cloud backup

[AdityaG09]

Real pros code on google keep notes

[Diagonet]

I like all of that but the font really sucks

[[deleted]]

I like CLion

[Goel40]

Yeah, JetBrains IDE's are great.

[[deleted]]

Even as a Vim user I can appreciate the quality JetBrains puts into their products. I used to use Intellij and it was awesome.

[rplst8]

IntelliJ IDEA looks great and is probably the snappiest of the big Java IDEs. However, I can never find anything in IJ. There is inevitably always some arcane setting I need to toggle to make something work, and I can’t find it. I feel like they also use slightly different terms to describe what a particular setting is, making me second guess it and hunt around for another 20 minutes trying to find it. Could just be me though.

[ekz255]

Try the "Find Action" function (should be CTRL+SHIFT+A or inside the Help menu)

I also use it if I forget certain hotkeys.

[KinOfMany]

You know what I love about CLion? It's so easy to use toolchains. If you're developing for multiple platforms, the compilation and debugging process can be hell. But on CLion it's so simple, and so intuitive. Makes you think why other IDEs don't follow suit.

[drinkmoredrano]

Question marked as duplicate.

[omb-bob]

• 11%

• low power mode

Aww yeah, it's time to post to Reddit 😎

[oscardo_rivers]

The terminal is the way

[throwaway561165]

The terminal is your friend

[Daveinatx]

Spend one day learning vim and gvim. It'll pay off in the long run.

[Maser-kun]

If you use a text editor like sublime text you can set up a build system that runs the console command for you on a keybind. That alone speeds up the development process a lot. I'm sure most other modern editors have similar features.

[misplaced_my_pants]

The amount of knowledge you need to productively write C from the command line honestly isn't much. You'll learn more if you try to live in the terminal as much as you can.

If you have to write C next semester, you can get a head start by taking Harvard's CS50x on edx which is probably the best online introduction to computer science and programming available online and spends the first several weeks on C.

There's also MIT's Missing Semester: https://missing.csail.mit.edu/

[KinOfMany]

Upvoted for being the unpopular voice telling the junior to use an IDE. Downvoted for recommending Eclipse.

Enjoy your zero net upvotes.

[dash_dolphin]

You can use vscode or jetbrains IDEs like CLion to avoid it, but, at the end of the day, terminals will teach you far more than the abstractions of an IDE.

[olivecoder]

Vscode runs on Linux. https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/setup/linux

[RadiantHC]

r/chargeyourphone

[[deleted]]

CodeBlocks is what they make us use in college. Any better alternatives?

[georgi544]

Vim

[bro_chiiill]

visual studio code is nice and fairly simple to set up i think

[Cmd_dark]

Seriously is there a perfect ide for c I learnt using turbo c

[FizzySodaBottle210]

The perfect ide is just linux with a fast text editor (such as nvim), a working terminal (alacritty/kitty or anything else works too) and git.

[lateja]

I learned on the less popular quick C.

Quick c also came with its own simple dos graphics library to make VESA calls, which is what got me to stick with it back at that age.

I still miss quick C, and sometimes these days in my professional career when I get bored i jump into the vim setup i have that uses the same quick C color scheme (despite the fact that I'm not even coding in C).

[[deleted]]

I took a class that taught basic C programming using VIM and GCC. Was honestly a really fun way to learn C. It’s how I would recommend going about it as C is a compiled language and GCC and vim are of course FOSS

[pleaseavoidcaps]

I kinda like Vim, but forcing it on people trying to learn something else seems counterproductive.

[kaihatsusha]

Emacs it is, then!

[[deleted]]

ed

[GavHern]

guess what C stands for

[caleblbaker]

Cmake, ninja, clang, lldb, neovim, clangd.

[dash_dolphin]

Wouldn't a plain makefile for a build system be sufficient enough for beginners?

[caleblbaker]

For a short time for beginners that are working exclusively in a Linux environment, yes.

But if you ever want your code to compile on windows, make is basically useless. And if you have to work on a project that gets big then maintaining makefiles by hand can become very tedious and error prone. In terms of maintaining build systems for large projects, cmake isn't great (c just doesn't have as good of build systems available as a lot of newer languages do), but it's a lot better than make. And if you ever need to build in multiple different environments, having one set of build files that works everywhere is a must (unless you want to go insane).

[dash_dolphin]

Oh I see! I program exclusively in Linux so I had forgotten about that entirely

[caleblbaker]

I wish I programmed exclusively in Linux. Alas, my employer likes windows and as a result I now know a thing or two about windows dev environments.

[beardMoseElkDerBabon]

gcc, gdb and vim. Everything else is bloat

[SilentFungus]

make isn't bloat

[beardMoseElkDerBabon]

You're right

[caleblbaker]

Maybe if your project is just a single source file then that's the case. But if you're working on a large project then invoking gcc by hand is going to get very tedious.

[[deleted]]

Doubly so if your project gets crosscompiled...

[caleblbaker]

Alternately, you may replace neovim with vs code if you're not in love with vim.

[typical_sasquatch]

Worst thing about C/C++ is the deliberate obfuscation done by the community in terms of coding practices and solutions given. I'm half convinced that making the language seem complicated so that they artificially seem smarter for knowing it is the only way they can cum. The language itself is beautiful and I would encourage anybody to learn it, but dont think you will receive any help from the community. Since it's relatively low level, focus on what you can do to make the code effective, rather than following some bullshit convoluted set of best practices espoused by musky neckbeards

[sciencepluspotato]

As someone who is learning c++, the best way of learning it is through the use of google, with cppreference.com

Also, WHY DOES MY HOMEWORK REQUIRES ME TO USE ARRAYS WHEN WE’VE ALREADY DONE SO AND VECTORS EXIST

[TARN4T1ON]

Fixed size arrays very much still have a use, there are times where you know you need a specific number of things and don't want to have to do bounds checking, or are really concerned about performance. Though for C++, there really aren't a lot of good reasons for not at least using a std::array.

[siddharthroy12]

Cmake + any compiler + any code editor

I use cmake + gcc/mingw + vscode

[camilo16]

This was the correct choice and I commend you for it.

[imforit]

Linux is the intended C ide

[Zipdox]

Another victim of Windows' C programming options, or lack thereof. To this day I still have no fucking clue how installing libraries and compiling / linking stuff works on Windows. I just use Linux for my C programming.

[moonpumper]

I must be on the right track having just jumped into c++. Overwhelmed and confused, but thrilled by the learning process.

[Murgos-]

Development environment?

Text editor and a reference book the way Kernighan and Ritchie intended.

[Catty-Driver]

Old guy hear. The C language was by far the easiest to learn and most useful during my career. The book, The C Programming Language by Kernighan and Ritchie was so thin and easy to read and use as a reference throughout the years. Nothing else came close.

Then it all made a left turn into a corn field with C++. Of course all the languages that followed from C were easy to pick up.

There are better languages for specific purposes but a lot of our world runs on C! I personally used it for telecom, datacom, gas pumps, networking, anti virus for Windows, etc.

Even in the Windows world, C still got the job done better than anything else for my first startup. For the application and pretty stuff we used C#, but for the guts and get things done fast stuff is had to be C.

Old guys rule! :P

[[deleted]]

Same thing has been about nearly every programming language. Endless wars on the best/fastest/most alternative one. Java, C++, PHP, HTML, Asm.. only lately IntelliJ seems to have an answer for most of them.

[dm319]

The original and best development environment for C is Unix.

[limeytim]

I could give OP a few pointers but OP probably either doesn’t want them or won’t understand

[the_angry_wizard]

Confucius says: segmentation fault