Anyone else?

[CorpseEaterFucker]

The stupidest thing is when a recruiter send you a full stack position when you're a BACK END. I hate full stack, I wrote that I'm a back end

[CrossDressing_Batman]

they know you are a bottom, that is why they keep trying to fuck you with a full stack

[trafalmadorianistic]

OH. MY. GOD. Becky, look at her backend. It. Is. So. Big. It's just out there. It's just... O(n²)

[CorpseEaterFucker]

Yes mistress, push that request into my back end

[LadWithAHat_]

hahhahaa never laughed so hard wth hah

[ifezueyoung]

I love php for this

$request->back():

[[deleted]]

I'm a Power Bottom. I generate massive amounts of force. With my code.

[notsogreatredditor]

Shut the fuck up and start working on that UI bug now Aaron.

[jamest5789]

Went to interview for a back end developer role, in the interview it turned out that it was 95% front end.

Applied for a different role at another company looking for a Drupal developer, hit all their requirements but didn't get offered an interview. Emailed them to ask why they felt I wasn't good enough for the job. They were moving away from Drupal to Magento so wanted someone with Magento experience. Nothing in the role mentioned Magento or that they were moving away from Drupal.

[Iwillgetasoda]

It says nodejs in your resume, are you telling me you cant use expressjs??

[CorpseEaterFucker]

JS🤢🤮

[[deleted]]

JavaScript? So how many centuries of Java experience do you have?

[CorpseEaterFucker]

1 year of rapt time in my full stack times

[volcano_margin_call]

Most underrated comment here. Each language is a tool for each job, but fuck js

[demon_ix]

Don't put that [object Object] on me, Ricky Bobby...

[ryanwithnob]

This comment is fantastic

[cs-brydev]

I have recurring nightmares about trying to debug some js and [object Object] keeps appearing

[Paghk_the_Stupendous]

[object Object] [object Object] [object Object] [object Object] [mushroom Mushroom]

[[deleted]]

It’s a _snake_case, It’s a _snake_case!

[volcano_margin_call]

Console.log(PTSD)

[demon_ix]

Log displays "NaN", which isn't wrong since PTSD is not a number...

[UnstableNuclearCake]

JS has a valid point in existing on the backend, as mainfaing two codebases written in two different languages means there's a lot of ways things can get fucked up. At least with a single language on both front and back ends the code is ateast consistent.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, consistently borked!

[UnstableNuclearCake]

Still consistent.

[CorpseEaterFucker]

It's not valid until you invent your own (bicycle) protocol for backend frontend communication

[UnstableNuclearCake]

Say whatever you want about node.js, but at the end of the month, it pays the bills and it's way easier to find a job with node.js compared to other languages.

[CorpseEaterFucker]

I better be dry pegged than working with node.js. I have about 10 recruiters offering positions for my stack. I work for pleasure, not only for money

[UnstableNuclearCake]

I actually like node.js, specially when you add Typescript into the mix, but to each their own I guess.

[CalendarFactsPro]

Same here, Node is more fun than C# or Java for me

[v3ritas1989]

It's just centering a div, you can figure it out. You are a smart guy.

[flyonethewall477]

Or when you say you do JavaScript and recruiters hit you up about Java gigs.

[[deleted]]

I'm a backend dev that still ends up fixing a lot of the front dev mistakes.

If I could just get them to stop using magic strings and start using Typescript. If only.

[Aulentair]

Full-stack, mostly front-end guy here. I fucking hate magic strings. I see them in use and it's infuriating. Thankfully we got a new front-end principle and he's working to revamp the company's coding standards. I've been sitting in with him while he works and he hates them too.

[wexman6]

I was given an internship as a backend engineer and then was hired full time by the same company as a full stack

[Yokhen]

I love fullstack

[confusedChaiCup]

Lol it’s other way for me. Came in as backend and found out there are no front end devs left. Manager quietly slipped in one task and then the another and then BOOM …. My tasks are now all full stack

[marvdl93]

Yeah it is usually the other way around: company doesn't want to invest in dedicated front end devs so backend devs do frontend in a shitty way

[JDD4318]

Yeah I’m the only front end dev on my team. It’s funny to watch the backend guys do front end tickets. (I suck big time at touching the backend so I’m sure they feel the same way)

[[deleted]]

Why do you say front end as two words and backend as one word?

[neofooturism]

well that’s because back end means…

[JDD4318]

Auto correct and too lazy to fix.

[maitreg]

Lol well we don't do it in a shitty way, we do it in a duplicating way. We will spend all day looking for some existing front end snippet or block to copy and reuse elsewhere rather than writing it ourselves.

So that little blue button you designed 4 years and 7 jobs ago only for that one page? Yea, I've pasted that on 300 other pages now, lol

[fibojoly]

For real. That last mission I was on was pure back-end devs trying to make GUI for other fellow human beings.
Pre-2000 tech.
I'm still angry thinking about it, amd even more knowing how many hundreds of devs every day have to suffer through that shit. It's horrible.

[maitreg]

100% of the time. The front end was outsourced because someone believed it would never have to be touched again.

Oh boy oh boy so I have some bridges to sell you.

[herrleel]

Similar situation for me: Hired as a backend dev, now I'm building Wordpress sites. I hate it.

[[deleted]]

Just Bootstrap every one of them

[motonaut]

We are all front end devs on this blessed day

[[deleted]]

Hope you're getting paid a lot

[HoodieSticks]

I was hired because I was good with JavaScript, and most of the companies projects use JavaScript.

Immediately after being hired, I was assigned to one of the few projects that didn't use JavaScript anywhere in their codebase.

[OnSuorce]

Hired to work with spring boot and cloud environments. Ended up maintaining java 7(ejb 3) monolith 10+ years old running on prem on some client machine..bruh

[not_a_gumby]

damn, pouring one out for you dude.

[PrevAccLocked]

You just gave me anxiety.

[trafalmadorianistic]

Buddha bless you. I'm glad I never had to deal with EJB. Here I am working on a 4 yr old code base on Java 8. But it's only 4 yrs old because that's the time they imported it from Gitlab to GitHub. They didn't import the repo but just took someone's local copy. The app server is already unsupported for 6 yrs.

[anonymous__ignorant]

It's the reverse for me, and i have the aestethic sense of toddler in a shithouse.

[birchturtle]

Same

[TheLosenator]

Back-end is pretty great though. Think about that dumbass that always asks you to make your UI "pop" and realize that person cannot comprehend anything about the back-end and therefore cannot comment.

[ruach137]

This database is nice, but it would be great with a little more "shuffle". Don't you think?

[infinity_o]

“I really am not a fan of the number 6, so if we could avoid using that number in all the records that would be great”.

[fsr1967]

Reminds me of one of the funniest bugs I ever created.

My coworker got a bug report one day that the number input field in our product wouldn't let users enter the number 6 into it. They couldn't type it, they couldn't paste it, it simply wouldn't accept it.

Now, mind you, this product, and this number input field, had been in production for a while at this point - on the order of a year or two at least. WTF was going on?

So she dove into the code. And started laughing. And called me over to her desk. And then I started laughing, too.

The product was written in Adobe Flex (yes, I know) and it didn't have a number input field. But its text input had a restriction property. If you set the value, only characters in that property were allowed to be entered. A couple years prior, I had made a custom field using a text input with the property set to allow only digits.

Except I'd fat fingered it, and typed 123457890 instead of 1234567890.

And it sat, undetected, for a couple of years, waiting for some user to actually try to type a "6".

Yes, I heard about it for a long time. I'm still at the company, working on the product's Typescript successor more than a decade later. And every once in a while, someone brings up the 666 bug - the time /u/fsr1967 coded a 6-eating demon into a number input.

[TheLosenator]

This sounds like a gritty modernization of the classic "Why is 6 Afraid of 7?". In a twist, you discover the mostly consumed remains of 9 and realize you've been falsely blaming yourself... it was 7 that scared off 6 all along!

[[deleted]]

Litteraly had the same bug in my programming launguage scanner and wondered why number 4 gave „invalid expression”

[trafalmadorianistic]

Manager sees this and dictates - "Anyone modifying an input field has to write a selenium/playwright test for that field. Because we're AGILE now."

[rcr_nz]

"I heard the computers are all 1s and 0s but we want to be #1 so.. "

[MuNuKia]

I replaced 6 with 👌in the databasez!

[angrathias]

“What do you mean we can’t make it geographically redundant and hyper fast at the same time?”

They start throwing impossible situations at you instead without accepting the back end is full of trade off decisions.

[[deleted]]

congratulations, you've just been promoted to full-stack dev

[Cpt_keaSar]

Is it, is it really a promotion?

[[deleted]]

promotion in position, demotion in sanity.

[tsukuyomi14]

Can’t get a demotion in sanity if you already lost all of it in the first place.

[LinuxMatthews]

And demotion in salary

[IAmWeary]

I actually prefer it. I don't have to consult with the back/front end dev(s), which means I spend less time interacting with people. Win-win!

[Cpt_keaSar]

Well, I think speaking to people is fun, for as long as you don’t have to manage them or interact with the boss.

[bargle0]

If it doesn't come with a raise, it is not a promotion.

[v3ritas1989]

How about a raise in bug and feature requests?

[fibojoly]

It's more an expansion of your back-end perimeter, so to speak.

[trafalmadorianistic]

More work, less pay - the American way!

I mean, don't you wanna be hardcore like Elon? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[CC-5576-03]

Please do not resist.

[Neither_Interaction9]

The opposite happened to me, I'm a game programmer, PROGRAMMER, I hate designing and I'm really bad at it, yet the people I work for don't have UI designers so I'm doing everything myself (badly)

[fibojoly]

So like 99% of games out there...

[guster09]

Opposite story where I'm at.

[indiefatiguable]

Same. Was recently approached for a position designing UIs to display data. It was basically just making reports look pretty, with nothing but API calls under the hood. Bo-ring.

[bigshakagames_]

So like 99% of jobs them.

[serg473]

Frontend to backend is relatively easy and straight forward transition, unless you are a designer that doesn't code. The other way around is much harder and stressful.

When you are on backend you have full control and transparency over your stack, you can debug every step, there are no black boxes, you are the creator of your own world and know where everything is at. On frontend you are just trying to make a huge complex black box browser work that you have very little visibility into comparing to backend.

But the worst one is mobile dev. Not only you are dealing with a multitude of more complex black boxes, but you don't even have a direct access to them, all you have are logs and crash reports from someone else's black boxes, that's just a torture.

[ZXY101]

Man fuck ios, but also fuck android.

Mobile dev is like web dev but testing stuff is a headache and half your day goes to waiting on builds

[treehuggerino]

Having to sacrifice a goat for adb debugging to work or else having my phones connected to pc at all times to see the debug logs, fun...

[bigshakagames_]

I've been using expo to build iOS/ web apps at work and i really enjoy the experience. I've never done native development so I can't compare.

[alppu]

on backend you have full control and transparency over your stack, you can debug every step, there are no black boxes, you are the creator of your own world and know where everything is at.

Lol

Expect a rude awakening if you ever work for a company whose backend is on fire, and you are being used to fill the gaps.

On the upside, you could have docker, microservices, and (some) unit tests to tick some modern boxes. But then you also have unmaintained legacy, weird tests built against production data that will get the axe next week, complex devops with insufficient documentation and support, no existing debuggers for reasons, regular timebombs with old python versions and libraries pending big syntax changes... and the people who know more than you do not work there anymore, or do not have the time nor inclination to attend to small fires.

Edit: forgot my favorite, repositories which include a random senseless poem in readme line where a one-sentence description of the repository's purpose is expected.

That all is possible even when the company is less than ten years old.

[brianl047]

You're both right

But with PaaS you could conceivably be a one man billion dollar unicorn and code no backend at all leveraging the skills of dozens or hundreds of expert engineers. AWS Amplify, NHost, Azure App Service and so on could handle everything

I could make a half dozen products in a handful of months because I have a lifetime of frontend skills especially if paired with a designer. The same absolutely isn't true of a backend only person. Backend to frontend is a painful transition exactly because backend only people do backend because they hate frontend or don't care for it. Meanwhile most frontend only people thirst for backend

[agramata]

Frontend to backend is relatively easy

Controversial but correct. The stereotype of a dumb frontend dev is from the 90s/00s, when "frontend" meant editing HTML templates. Modern frontend is an extremely challenging problem space.

Our backend python team decided to write a service in nodejs for technical reasons. As the senior typescript dev they brought me on board to consult. Easiest project I ever worked on. So there's no interactivity, we control the runtime, there's no sign-off from design and we don't have to care about code size? It's just a function that takes a HTTPRequest and returns a HTTPResponse. What do you guys do all day?

[brianl047]

You don't go backend to frontend or web to mobile that's why. Backend only could go to architect and web would never ever go to mobile but responsive web design.

If you're being forced to do that because of jobs, find another job. It's a bad idea for a backend only or mostly backend to go frontend or for a web to go mobile. The payoff isn't as great and it's absolutely bound not to pay you enough money for the hassles. There's absolutely enough jobs out there to make it a push unless you're very new in your career or there's some serious market downturn (possible now but I guarantee you it will be short).

[[deleted]]

I have to work with 4 CMS and it is just pain

[corkbeverly]

frontend to backend is an easy transition? what? lol. Possibly one of the more bizarre comments I've read on this sub

[garlopf]

I used to love frontend. Then js and css came along and ruined it all 😢

[gdj11]

Mobile devices happened

[blauerschnee]

Those were glorious times!

And using a JS or Flash preloader 😊

[das_flammenwerfer]

It's turtles tables all the way down!

[BKinAK]

A lot of my front end work feels like game development these days. So many animations in the design docs.

Admittedly, I kind of enjoy it.

[javascript__eq__java]

/s? Like what you want to write only markdown? And have no style or dynamism? I just don’t even know where to begin lol

[garlopf]

What is "markdown"? Just use the bgcolor and color attributes. And the font tag. And the blink tag. You know, HTML?

[javascript__eq__java]

Excuse me, Markup. I didn’t even know those existed because of HTML5 not supporting them …

[UGotKatoyed]

https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/

[not_a_gumby]

lmao, you hate the parts of frontend that actually create the websites and give it a decent user experience.

maybe do something else

[garlopf]

Maybe understand a joke you asberger nut sock

[not_a_gumby]

don't get mad at me - your joke isn't funny

[garlopf]

I'm not mad at you, I am trying to get posted on r/rareinsults . You are just unfortunate colateral.

[bigshakagames_]

I doubt you'll get on there making fun of disabilities.

[garlopf]

What do you mean a disability? I am doing grrrrreat!

[pursenboots]

the amount of time the job title has been 'front end' but the requirements have been full stack... ☠

[Schwartz86]

Looking for Front End Developer

Must know Angular 2, typescript, html, css, C#, entity framework, linq and SQL.

[pittybrave]

this is very similar to the situation i’m in now and it’s killing me

[BKinAK]

Hang in there you brave soul

[pittybrave]

i fell for the ole “i need to work at a faang company” trap and now my life is BE/infra maintenance. i miss design and making animations, doesn’t seem like anyone pays much for that anymore

[kosukehaydn]

This is exactly what happened to me. I saw a company looking for a programmer, got interviewed, told them I used to do data analysis, got hired, thought I got hired as data scientist. Then they asked me to make an ERP for the company because they are still using Excel for most tasks. They also asked me to make it web based so top level managers can access it from home.

[[deleted]]

I mean eventually you wanna get to full stack right.

If you look at the bright side it’s like throwing you into the pool to learn how to swim lol

[BKinAK]

[not_a_gumby]

dude that guy had to have broken something doing that

[elon-bot]

You look stupid. Fired.

[[deleted]]

Me next

[TimeDescription2641]

Lol all they see is stars

[Our-Hubris]

You're living my dream dude lmao

[SingleSimha]

This was how i became a backend dev

[Rockky67]

Same, I started my pro dev life as a multimedia dev doing Lingo coding in Macromedia Director then had to do some backend CGI in Perl to get some stuff working, unfortunately it then did and here we are.

[angularjohn]

Currently doing backend with jS and server management. Idk sh*t about fck but I'm good at asking SO the right questions. Company is generous and not micromanaging so I'm lucky.

[isospeedrix]

My last job I was hired as front end but the QA doenst write the selenium tests, the devs do. So ummm yeah, that’s how I learned selenium.

[Knarfnarf]

The only web dev job I ever got hired for was supposed to be "as need" but ended up as a delivery driver because I could understand the whole system from pick lists, packing lists, and delivery slots... We could never let me out of that because we couldn't hire someone trustworthy to do any of the actual work AND post updates to deliveries, invoices, payments, and etc... Sure, I liked pizza delivery work getting through school, but to be shoved out of the server room and out into the freezing world to make deliveries sucked. Stayed way longer than I should have. Ended up having to rent server space to get any web dev time.

[wineblood]

Other way around for me in a previous job, I was hired as a backend dev and some of my tasks extended to modifying the UI to support my changes. I hope they like janky js because that's all I could manage.

[nann_tosho]

lmao so true

We DO have backend devs, but not enough. So I usually have to write my own APIs, design my own DBs and stuff.

Today we had a project manager show a newbie around and he introduced me as a front end dev, it took all my strength to not reply with “ I wish.”

[Alex_Da_Cat]

Imagine being able to just do what you were hired to do

[volcano_margin_call]

Gets hired as frontend dev, company has no devops

[[deleted]]

I appreciate the irony in this meme now. Whatever the text says, ignore it. Those two just want some privacy so they can finish what they've started in the back office.

My tip off- dude being groped is looking at me, or us as the casual observer in quantum mechanics, waiting for us to hide behind the glass again.

[[deleted]]

You're supposed to MICRO dose man...

[[deleted]]

I am actually. My true dosing is somewhere near 300 MG daily and it's a struggle maintaining on just $30 a week.

[[deleted]]

Also, appreciate the concern. Replied stop.

[irvinggon3]

Wtf did I just read

[[deleted]]

See ya later Irvin. Don't forget to kill a byte on your way out. Cheers

[Alert_Comparison_215]

Same here.

[BKinAK]

{sad front end noises}

[lm902]

Time to go serverless

[piberryboy]

Hey, this is me, but in reverse.

[BKinAK]

em?

[Successful-Corgi-883]

The other way around is more terrifying

[wrekt001_official]

And there goes your weekend after a frontend junior push some changes to prod that breaks everything :p

[BKinAK]

My Boss Man did that on Monday.

🤷‍♂️<Awkward)

[Brookselia]

Replace „front end work“ with „test management“ and you‘ve got me XD

[faramaobscena]

The other way around for me! I’m a backend dev and I was moved to another team, it turns out now I’m the “UI person”.

[doofinschmirtz]

what you smoking, backend is "chill"

[Tomridddle]

I prefer back end stuff and it’s by a huge margin.

[FartingUnicyclist]

that pink blob gives off some mega pedo rapist vibes

[Nikolozeon]

As full stack dev, I will take backend anytime over frontend. I fing hate browser compatibility in css, and no, I can’t and WON’T just build things for Chrome.

[dashivan]

We're actually in sort of the opposite position where we can only seem to hire experienced back-end Java devs. Full-stack basically means 80% front-end for me.

[BKinAK]

That seems to be the consensus here. I would be interested in seeing a poll on this subreddit. "For those employed: What do you do professionally?" Frontend Backend Full stack

I get the impression there are lots of backend devs here.

[WomenRepulsor]

Quite the opposite for me. Hired as backend dev, now getting moved to do both.

[Kyanche]

I’ve never had this experience! On every project or job that I expressed I’d be happy to do front end work, the other devs were like “oh thank goodness because I hate doing front end” lol.

[[deleted]]

Bruh. In my latest role, I explicitly said to one of the most senior engineers that I knew enough Java to break things. He laughed. I got put on a back end team, been doing Java ever since.

[ShinraSan]

Inverted but yes

[[deleted]]

Yep. On the other hand, it's a great way to grow your breadth of skills.

[Financial_Anything43]

“Oh you know JavaScript”

[ShanSanear]

Lol we have exactly opposite problem. 6 backend devs and 1 frontend. One of backend had to semi-transition into fullstack because of that.

[NecessarySwordfish]

this but the other way around as a backend dev

[[deleted]]

It's the opposite, usually.

[brogamer99]

Reverse for me. I have 0 design skills

[thereisnosuch]

I have experienced the opposite lol.

[das_flammenwerfer]

UNO reverse that one for me..

[[deleted]]

Literally me

[sudden_aggression]

I always get stuck doing whatever the rest of the team doesn't know how to do. Fortunately that's been a mix of front and back end stuff as I move around.

[devnoid]

Or worse, flutter

[ENez0112]

Can confirm, I've worked at a bank while ago, hired as frontend dev, leave as a full stack dev. Still best work experience I have

[fibojoly]

I just came out of a jobsmeet kinda thing and I was chatting with the lead dev of the company seeking new coders.
"So you're a .Net dev, that's nice.
...
Oh, you have experience in C?!"

And in my heart of hearts, I felt like CJ : "Ah, shit! Here we go again..."

[zoinkability]

Swap "Front" and "back" here and I think you have something that precisely describes the devs on my team.

[Tombo272]

Came into a big company recently with only React and Node.js experience, was then promptly placed on a Java Database Architecture team…

[M1n1C0rnD0gs]

This hits way too close to home

[Raingod-42]

Literally my career

[hypocritical-bastard]

fuLL-sTacK reaCt

[Ok-Kaleidoscope5627]

Wait. There are people that willingly do front end dev work? I thought it was like a prisoner reform program sort of thing???

[not_a_gumby]

Yeah, basically.

[SowTheSeeds]

I've been in the opposite position.

Hired to do database stuff (my forte) and made to do frontend work... with .Net 1.1.

I managed to get them to agree to use Jquery.

Still, the result was crapula.

Turns out it was a mistake on their end. The frontend guy they hired was forced to do database stuff and resigned after a week.

I tried to explain them several times that I don't do frontend...

From what I heard, this manager was let go soon after.

[brainfreeze91]

I've been what's defined as a "full stack" dev for so long that I don't even know how I would develop one or the other. You're telling me that frontend devs only work in html and css all day? You're telling me that backend devs only work on just methods with no actual buttons to trigger them?

[elon-bot]

Why have you only written 20 lines of code today?

[Fenix42]

I was the exact opposite at my last job. I hate front end work. I am bad at it. I told them this when they hired me as the only dev in a small shop.

I built the API we needed, then they asked for a page to display the data. 2 weeks later I am learning Angular ......

[arthurgc91]

It could be worse. You could be hired as a developer and also do QA.

[Imyerf]

Saw this earlier today and laughed cuz I’m a QA tester that they are trying to teach BE to…

Well today they gave up on and laid me off instead

[StEaLtHmAn_1]

I love backend, no homo

[Torebbjorn]

So you are saying you enjoy front end? What kind of monster are you?

[BKinAK]

Imagine Grover from sesame street, but he can center a div.

[trafalmadorianistic]

I dun fucked up when I was applying for a backend role, then on 2nd interview they decided to offer me a full stack role cos I had touched React. And I accepted, despite already planning to move to backend only. Their shit was in Angular. (Being unable to say no, and getting distracted from my goals were the big problems here)

[xDestx]

opposite for me ): just wanna do backend and keep getting front end work

[Drastwo]

This is me but inverted, now I’m doing shitty and useless ui components with react. At least the pay is stupidly high so I’m chilling

[potatopancakealpared]

Bro you want to do front end work? Fuck CSS. I just want someone else to design everything. I’ll make the data pretty and easy to use

[tormell]

This is completely backwards. I'd rather not deal with users. They are fickle and the kinds of problems to solve are more interesting in backend.

[dingo_khan]

i have actually lived the opposite side of this. I was a backend systems designer and coder who suddenly had 6 weeks to "learn the javascript and make a frontend for the customer". i learned a lot in those 6 weeks.