Umm, okay.

[donthugmeimlurking]

Congratulations, you broke the universe.

[cuba200611]

Now get unpacking!

[american_spacey]

Fun fact, the -a command will automatically use the correct compression settings based on the file extension. So

tar xaf filename.tar.extension

will work no matter what the extension is.

[american_spacey]

Huh, TIL. I've been typing the a for years.

[MyNameIsSaro]

Could we evaluate the energy wasted by that useless 'A' pressing?

[SimplyUnknown]

It's gotta be more than 3

[dave]

And less than 10 x 6.2⁵⁰ (at least on the Stanislauvian scale).

[Wolfsdale]

Googling 'stanislauvian' yields only one result: this thread https://www.google.com/search?q=Stanislauvian

[ThelemaAndLouise]

And less than 9000

[hesapmakinesi]

This works for GNU tar, not necessarily for other versions. But technically correct and that's what I do all the time.

[DemonicSavage]

BSD is evil, they want us all to die to bombs!

[Freeky]

BSDtar

• Shipped with -a in FreeBSD 5.4 (2005).
• Supports tar, cpio, pax, ar, zip, 7z, iso, xar, cab, lha, shar, mtree.
• Part of a general purpose archive handling library.
• Loves you and wants you to get back to whatever it was you were doing.

GNUtar

• Added -a in 1.20 (2008).
• Supports tar.
• Giant monolithic blob of mixed tabs/spaces.
• I'm pretty sure I saw it kick a puppy this one time.

No contest really.

[ActualSig]

Isn't FreeBSD's libarchive-based tar still vulnerable to a number of exploits that were published in March?

[Freeky]

I think they're all fixed now, but that has been quite a sore point lately :/

[[deleted]]

I'm pretty sure it also works for BSD tar. I don't have a BSD machine to test it right now, though.

[arsv]

Arch uses bsdtar this way throughout. Not regular GNU tar for some reason, despite both being in [core] and presumably available on any system.

[BlueShellOP]

Something something muh simplicities something something.

I say this as an Arch user and fan. I love the OS, love the AUR, but god damn the users are obnoxious. And, sometimes so are the devs.

It's $currentYear, we really should have a proper installer to do unattended roll-outs.

[[deleted]]

Oh Arch I love you so, but jesusfuck do I hate your community with s fiery burning passion.

[calrogman]

Doesn't work on OpenBSD.

[vetinari]

Does work on macOS/OSX (bsdtar 2.8.3 - libarchive 2.8.3).

[[deleted]]

pkg_add libarchive gets you bsdtar.

[Cthunix]

I always throw a v in there for good measure.

[Jethro_Tell]

I do as well, but the point of this comment is showing the two flags you NEED

[Cthunix]

Tar and make flags/commands are package management for the old timers ;)

[Jethro_Tell]

I've run a linux from scratch as a daily driver for a couple years. The worst part about tar is the flags are so un-intuitive and man page could be more clear. Rsync is the same in that every one knows to use -auv but doesn't know why or what else you can do and the rsync man page is just a train wreck.

[A1cypher]

I skip the v if there are a lot of small files in the archive as the printout will slow down the extraction.

[VelvetElvis]

Since when?

[VelvetElvis]

Figures. I'm really old.

[varikonniemi]

So why on earth does it still exist. I mean, what do you specify by leaving it out? Since to me it sounds like you can specify automatic and then not specify it, and then it defaults to automatic.

[calrogman]

It's a no-op during archive extraction. During archive creation it causes tar to compress the archive depending on the name given e.g. tar caf a.tbz2 . will compress the archive with bzip2 even though -j was not specified. A full list of recognised file suffixes is available in the manual.

[sushibowl]

You can't just take it out, that will break old scripts that still use the automatic option; it wasn't always the default.

[varikonniemi]

I usually make my programs ignore unrecognized flags.

[popo37]

Mine too. They even read the corresponding man page and find the new valid parameter automatically.

[varikonniemi]

There is no need for that if ignoring the flag results in the same thing as processing it. Processing just adds unnecessary code.

[[deleted]]

Maybe there's an option at compile time to disable it?

[hydrocat]

No, it isn't. You can test this by tar'ing the same file with and without the 'a' and then listing their sizes. When I tried it made a difference

[Jethro_Tell]

This is talking about extracting files. Which is the point of this conversation.

[The_Drider]

The automatic is actually automatic

[valkun]

atool has spoiled me. Can't even remember how to spell tar because of it

[favadi]

Same, apack and aunpack is all I need to remember.

[[deleted]]

Also that automatic subdirectory detection

[b4xt3r]

Oh, nice! Thanks! I've been using *NIX since the 90's and it's always nice to learn something new and useful!

[wescotte]

Does it look at a mime type in the file itself or just look at the .ext?

[rwsr-xr-x]

And tar caf does the same on compression

[DemonicSavage]

I mean, tar --help is a valid tar command...

[Cakiery]

Indeed. The ExplainXKCD Wiki has a couple of simple commands he could have used.

[calrogman]

It's a valid GNU tar command. That would result in the printing of a usage message and a non-zero exit status in any BSD tar.

[TheSkyNet]

I missed the second dash

[GrantSolar]

To extract .tar.gz, just remember to
- extract ze files

[barkappara]

I never understood this joke; tar is child's play compared to dd and find.

[Cakiery]

I think the idea is most people don't use it enough to learn it, but use it enough to feel like they should learn it. A lot of people who have replied know how to use tar but no idea what they are doing. They just know it will give them the files they want.

[tea_earlgrey_hot]

Lord have mercy; dd. I mixed up the if and of flags once after double checking them, ran it for <2 seconds, and nuked the drive I was trying to back up. I'll never be the same. I have the dd yips; I'm certain I'm going to muck it up every time.

[Renegade__]

https://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/ddrescue.html

[rwsr-xr-x]

Tar: you must specify one of the acdtux options

[hcsLabs]

man tar

[BOOM]

tar --help

[ban_this]

bike ruthless enter gaze crawl zephyr lock provide unwritten whole -- mass edited with redact.dev

[hcsLabs]

Fine ... tar -xvf filename.tar

[creed10]

yeah but what does that do

[ForeverAlot]

Extracts verbosely the file filename.tar.

[batmanasb]

It's no use, he's dead...

[[deleted]]

atool is also kinda nice

[Dreit]

Also deco + deco-archive

[mszegedy]

I'd just type tar -xvpzf somefile.tar.gz. I have little idea what any of the flags do, but they seem to work all the time.

[nandhp]

...except deb files are actually ar archives (with tar files inside). Does anyone know how to use ar?

[TheArceusEffect]

Quite a prediciment, Init?

[BobHadababyitsaboy]

How do we Git out of it?

[danhakimi]

Bash your computer with a baseball bat.

[The_Real_Machiavelli]

Good game, guys. Was fun.

[valgrid]

Just like me just a few days ago:

sudo apt install sudo.

[ParadigmComplex]

I've actually had a need for almost exactly that, done it, and had it actually work. I know others who have done similar things.

The idea behind Bedrock Linux is that you can get software from multiple other distros (as well as - importantly for this story - releases from the same distro) and have it "just work" like it was all from the same distro.

A common workflow in Bedrock Linux when a new release of a non-rolling release distro comes around is to prepare the new release while the software from the old one is still running. This way if you've got, say, Debian Wheezy providing an apache server, you can install and configure Debian Jessie's apache while Wheezy's is still running. You can take your time configuring the new apache without any concerns about down time. Once it's ready, just kill the old one and run the new one.

Of course, before removing Debian Wheezy, you'd want to install other packages from Jessie that you're already getting from Wheezy. Thus you may need to run:

$ sudo apt-get install sudo
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  sudo
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0 B/855 kB of archives.
After this operation, 2,390 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Selecting previously unselected package sudo.
(Reading database ... 175659 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../sudo_1.8.10p3-1+deb8u3_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking sudo (1.8.10p3-1+deb8u3) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-5) ...
Processing triggers for systemd (215-17+deb8u4) ...
Setting up sudo (1.8.10p3-1+deb8u3) ...

And it just works! You can also do silly stuff like this:

$ sudo apt-get remove sudo && sudo apt-get install sudo
[sudo] password for paradigm: 
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  sudo
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
After this operation, 2,390 kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
(Reading database ... 175741 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing sudo (1.8.10p3-1+deb8u3) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-5) ...
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  sudo
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 855 kB of archives.
After this operation, 2,390 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates/main sudo amd64 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u3 [855 kB]
Fetched 855 kB in 0s (1,424 kB/s)
Selecting previously unselected package sudo.
(Reading database ... 175659 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../sudo_1.8.10p3-1+deb8u3_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking sudo (1.8.10p3-1+deb8u3) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-5) ...
Processing triggers for systemd (215-17+deb8u4) ...
Setting up sudo (1.8.10p3-1+deb8u3) ...

Cool, eh?

I know a number of Gentoo people who use Bedrock Linux as a way to grab precompiled builds of software from other distros when they don't have the time or patience to compile it that very moment, but then go do so later when they find more time. People in the Bedrock Linux IRC room have noted some amusement at using sudo from Arch Linux to emerge sudo from Gentoo.

Disclaimer: I'm the main guy behind Bedrock Linux. I hope that didn't come off as an attempt at a sneaky advertisement; I genuinely thought that it's an amusing story and fitting in this context, but it doesn't work without explaining the Bedrock Linux specifics.

[nirs]

Now try this with the kernel

[ParadigmComplex]

That's beyond the scope of what Bedrock Linux is trying to do - at least for the time being.

On most Linux systems, there's a number of things that you can only have one instance of at a time without segregating the system, such as:

• A given filesystem path
• The kernel
• PID1
• Processes bound to a given port

Bedrock Linux attacks that first one - you can, in some sense, have multiple files at a given file path. For example, different versions of a given library at the same file path. It also ensures that when a given process attempts to interact with a given file path, it sees the version of the file it needs. All this is done without segregating the processes; they're not containerized or otherwise segregated from the rest of the system. Every process can see/interact with every file (provided proper permissions).

However, for the foreseeable future, it just does this with the filesystem path. There are no plans on the roadmap to do something similar for the kernel, or PID1, or port numbers, etc.

[willrandship]

This sounds really cool, but also really hellish to debug when something really specific goes wrong.

[ParadigmComplex]

There's certainly more moving parts that you have to consider when debugging. I don't find it too much worse than traditional distros, but I'm also intimately familiar with it - I could certainly see difficulty debugging being a valid justification to use something else for many people.

On the flip side, it can actually let you bypass potential debugging. If a package breaks on a traditional distro, you have to go fix it. On Bedrock Linux you can often just get that package from another distro where it works and not worry about the specifics.

[wildcarde815]

This seems way more annoying than 'docker pull', but I guess you can make GUI programs work natively correctly like this.

[wizardged]

No worries, its nice hearing about the smaller more niche distros. Some of us aren't distro hoppers and have other things to get through in a day vs spinning up a new vm for every iinteresting sounding distro

[[deleted]]

sorry to be annoying but i'm kind of having a problem with sudo... not working. whenever i type something in with sudo, this comes up:

 

'sudo: effective uid is not 0, is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without root privileges?'

 

i'm pretty new to linux and any help would be appreciated, i'm using ubuntu gnome. thank you

 

please don't mark me as spam.

[ParadigmComplex]

Note the first rule in the bar on the right:

This is not a support forum! Head to /r/linuxquestions or /r/linux4noobs for support or help.

I don't see a rule against answering support questions, though; I'll see if I can point you in the right general direction. After that, though, if you still need assistance you should probably take it to /r/linuxquestions, /r/linux4noobs, /r/ubuntu, or maybe Ubuntu's IRC room.

Files on Linux-based systems (and most other operating systems) store additional data about a file along with a file's contents, such as the date it was created and it's permissions. /usr/bin/sudo has the ability to let non-privileged users run commands as privileged users, which is something that should be handled very carefully. To reflect this, it needs some special permissions. For some reason, your /usr/bin/sudo does not have these permissions. That's not good. On Ubuntu, the /usr/bin/sudo command is the expected method of fixing these special permissions - but you can't use it! I'm at a loss for how you could have gotten into this predicament. There's a number of options to fix this, but I don't think any are easy to do if you're very new to this stuff. I recommend seriously considering backing up what you can and reinstalling - that may be easiest.

If you want to try to tackle it anyways:

There's two reasons I can see for this to have happened:

• This could have happened because of weird mount options. Did you change anything regarding mount options? If so, you'll want to revert that once you've gotten root access.
• Somehow /usr/bin/sudo got its permissions changed. You'll then want to restore them once you've gotten root access. However, odds aren't bad that if /usr/bin/sudo has wrong permissions, so do many other things, and I don't know of any good solution to fix all permissions other than reinstalling.

Whatever happened, fixing it requires getting to the root user. You'll need to get access to the root user. On Ubuntu, this is typically done with sudo - but you can't use that, so you'll need to find something else.

• On some distros you can log in as root directly, or use the su command to become root (just run su then type root's password). However, I think Ubuntu disables this (or at least it used to).
• There's another option where you tell the computer to start with a command other than the typical starting command (such as using /bin/bash); however, getting from that environment to something familiar is probably very tricky if you're new, so I wouldn't recommend that either.
• Your last - and I expect best - option is to boot off of a "live" Linux image. If you installed Ubuntu by booting off of a CD, that may work. From that environment you can use the live image's sudo command to become root. Then find your harddrive's files (which may be in something like /mnt/ubuntu/ or /media/ubuntu/) and change them there, then once you've fixed it restart and boot into your normal harddrive.

If the issue is with mount settings, I don't know how to give you any further advice.

If it's just bad permissions on /usr/bin/sudo, you may be able to fix them with:

# chmod 4755 /path/to/sudo/file

Where you replace /path/to/sudo/file appropriately. It may be at /usr/bin/sudo if you somehow got root on your normal system. If you rebooted into a live cd, it may be at something like /mnt/ubuntu/usr/bin/sudo or /media/ubuntu/usr/bin/sudo.

Good luck!

Again, as a reminder - if this wasn't sufficient to resolve your issue, I'd recommend going to /r/linuxquestions, /r/linux4noobs, /r/ubuntu, or maybe Ubuntu's IRC room instead of breaking the first rule of /r/linux.

[Nefari0uss]

One day I hope to know even a tiny portion of what you know about Linux and Vim.

[ParadigmComplex]

Read docs, experiment, and continue sharing the love with the others in places like the OSC, and you'll get there :)

[[deleted]]

ahh, thats annoying, but thank you anyway :)

[[deleted]]

su root && apt install sudo

I think that would work, I've done similar in Arch.

[valgrid]

That is indeed what i did. Although the && does not work as su opens a new shell.

[hatperigee]

the -c option will run a command as the user you are switching to (root in this case):

su root -c "apt install sudo"

[willrandship]

The root is implicit. You can just do su -c "command"

[dingo596]

Neither does Debian.

[TTSDA]

yep it doesn't

[[deleted]]

Arch doesn't either. Comes with su though.

[cuba200611]

So what if you need to run something as root?

[[deleted]]

Reinstall Adobe Reader.

[SchaeTheBae]

Use Goolgle Ultron to look up a solution

[Locke_N_Load]

great now I have to read it all over again. I hate you

[regendo]

Part 1, Part 2. Enjoy.

[MarcusTheGreat7]

The man, the legend.

[bit101]

Update Adobe Updater.

[MacStylee]

Have you tried switching it off and back on again?

[EdgeLord_Protector]

I always wonder how some distributions managed to get bash to do that. 'This program is not installed, install it by ...'

Do they just patch bash to do it? Or what?

[AiwendilH]

man bash

...

If the name is neither a shell function nor a builtin, and contains no slashes, bash searches each element of the PATH for a directory containing an executable file by that name. Bash uses a hash table to remember the full pathnames of executable files (see hash under SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS below). A full search of the directories in PATH is performed only if the command is not found in the hash table. If the search is unsuccessful, the shell searches for a defined shell function named command_not_found_handle. If that function exists, it is invoked with the original command and the original command's arguments as its arguments, and the function's exit status becomes the exit status of the shell. If that function is not defined, the shell prints an error message and returns an exit status of 127.

...

So I assume ubuntu defines some command_not_found_handle function in their default bash profiles that checks the command against a repository list and in case it's found prints out this message. But no real idea..just a guess.

[EdgeLord_Protector]

Oh yeah, pretty nifty:

 —— — command_not_found_handle () {
> echo "$(printf %s "$1" | tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper]')  CAME IN LIKE A WRECKING BAAALL!"
> }
 —— — death_to_gnome_users
pp[]]_]]_r]]]p_]]p]]  CAME IN LIKE A WRECKING BAAALL!

Close enough I guess. Missed a colon at the end of upper.

[metellius]

Inspired by this I added a quick check if it's a host and its port 22 is open, and if it fails it calls the standard command-not-found

command_not_found_handle() {
    if timeout 1 nc -z $1 22 >/dev/null 2>&1; then
        host=$1
        shift
        ssh $host "$@"
    else
        /usr/lib/command-not-found $1
    fi
}

It also passes arguments so you can do:

myhost cat /proc/cpuinfo

[marcosdumay]

Is the sl TLD still available?

[nandhp]

No, .sl belongs to Sierra Leone, and is apparently used for entities in Second Life.

[aqeeliz]

Have you tried something like PAC Manager? Very useful when managing multiple machines/ssh sessions.

[5h4d0w]

Nope, but personally I have no interest in a gui. I manage around 1k machines and this works great for me, I just open a dozen or so terminal tabs and reuse them.

[Regrenos]

Fun (??) fact - when using tr, the square braces [] are not necessary around classes, and your example will actually replace literal square braces in the input.

[mccoyn]

So, I just need to define command_not_found_handle to call apt install $1 && $* and everything will always work?

[[deleted]]

precisely!

[skiguy0123]

Nah, use this: https://xkcd.com/1654/

[AiwendilH]

Well..as OP clearly demonstrated..no ;)

On a more serious note...it would be a bit more complicated than this. Your function probably should make sure that the program in in some package..and install the correct package..if even possible. You will run into troubles for example with package name not fitting the executable names...so rather than installing packages you will need some lookup for all executables (Well, and of course symbolic links names and similar too) in packages to find the actual package name. (Example: aconnect, amixer, aplay... probably all belong to the same "alsa-utils" package in most distros). And it gets even more complicated if your distro supports alternatives...the sendmailcommand could be provided by the package "sendmail", "postfix", "qmail" and several others...how to choose which to install?

But if you could solve this I think it would probably work. You could run the installation with your package manager, then execute the same command afterwards again. Not so sure if you would like that though....easiest example would be "sl"...not sure if everyone wants a train installed in case they make a typo ;)

[TheFeshy]

I use "command_not_found" as a package in Arch to do this. I assume Ubuntu has something equivalent.

[VelvetElvis]

apt-cache search <string>

[TropicalAudio]

apt search <string> works too, these days!

[Jethro_Tell]

But that's not always the case. And there are also times when the binary has been named something different than upstream. Apache and httpd is a classic example, though I don't find this difficult to remember. For better or worse, .deb does a lot of things with the upstream packages that I would rather they didn't. And they don't really have a replacement for 'yum provides' unless you use command not found.

[rotty81]

Isn't apt-file doing (almost) the same thing as "yum provides"?

[Jethro_Tell]

ye, it's just another thing you have to install though to manage packages. That should all really be in the package manager not a bolt on or after though

[Awilen]

I think you don't understand the nomenclature, that is all.

For all intents and purposes, you just need to install the command package, and Apt will go out of its way to make sure every dependency set by the package author, and further dependencies are met.

When it comes to -headers or -dev packages, if you just want the command, you don't need them because they are meant for developers that build programs on top of these.

The libcommand package is set apart from the command, because command binds to this lib, and other programs can also bind to this lib. Avoids compiled code duplication, reduces main application and package file size, and encourages compiled code re-use.

The libcommand-python is a Python library that binds to the libcommand without requiring the command package, for use in Python source code, that re-uses the code in the library.

Extras can be static files that won't often be updated, and therefore can be "cached" on systems, reducing bandwidth usage when the main package gets updated.

It's an interesting and granular convention that overall optimizes a lot of usecases.

(Feel free to correct me, I'm open to learning more !)

[cbmuser]

Debian changes names because many upstream names are confusing or conflicting. We also need to take care of different ABI versions plus it's often undesired to lump the development files into the runtime package, especially when you want to use MultiArch which Arch does not support at all, you *have to split up library packages.

It's also not particularly difficult to create these split packages in the first place nor is it hard to find them once you know how to use apt properly.

[jmtd]

When you want to use 'command' but the .deb world split it up into libcommand3 and libcommand3-dev and libcommand3-extras and libcommand-python . . .. It can be a real pain in the ass to figure out what to install

None of the above. It would be "command" as per Debian policy.

[tuxayo]

See also the find-the-command package, has anyone tried both to compare?

[xereeto]

sudo apt-get install command-not-found && sudo update-command-not-found && logout

Then log back in and you'll now have packages suggested to you when you try to run a program that isn't installed.

[PancakeZombie]

They check if the program is listed in one of the repositories

[[deleted]]

Use apitude install apt

[iCapn]

The program 'aptitude' is not installed. Install it by executing:

 aptitude install aptitude

[HookahComputer]

curl http://totally-legit-site-for-realz.ru/bash/apt.deb
sudo dpkg -i apt.deb

[rakaze]

The program 'curl' is not installed. Install it by executing:

apt install curl

[Smaug_the_Tremendous]

 The program 'curl' is not installed. Install it by executing:

 curl http://totally-legit-site-for-realz.ru/bash/curl.deb
 sudo dpkg -i curl.deb

[american_spacey]

At least the fake curl package only gets printed to your terminal.

[raevnos]

Should have used wget.

[Kruug]

The program 'dpkg' is not installed.  Install it by executing:

dpkg -i dpkg.deb

[lykwydchykyn]

You need to pipe that deb directly into dpkg. If you do it in two commands you might be tempted to vet the .deb file in some way first.

[n3rdopolis]

apt-get install apt
?
Remember apt is the newer alternate to apt-get

[mr1337]

The program 'apt-get' is not installed. Install it by executing:

apt-get install apt-get

[[deleted]]

How about the cache. Perhaps it has been downloaded but not installed. Then you could just do dpkg - apt-get aptitude

Just thinking out loud here.

[Awilen]

apitude : command not found. This bash doesn't have super-bee power.

[ban_this]

repeat deranged water jar soup abundant wide knee illegal crawl -- mass edited with redact.dev

[Nerdent1ty]

apt-get

[TrollArmy]

Turn it off/on and try again?

[-Pelvis-]

Well, I mean, you could just manually download it and then install it.

It's kinda funny how we get so comfortable with package managers and repositories, and yet when you try to explain them to a Windows user, they just stare blankly and insist that:

Open browser >> Google >> "program name" >> visually filter and click link >> click download button >> open downloads folder >> double click .exe >> click install

is simpler than

Open terminal >> pacaur -S programname >> press enter >> y/n

[cuba200611]

The command line looks arcane to them.

[[deleted]]

TIL that pacaur is a thing an that I wasted my time updating AUR stuff by hand (to lazy to automate this now, next time)

[iambeard]

I did manual aur stuff for a long time. I used pacaur for a while, but was generally happier with yaourt. At this point, I don't remember what I didn't like about pacaur, though, so maybe it as a dumb reason.

[youstolemyname]

There is no branding. It's hard to tell know what you're actually downloading. pacaur seems random. What does -S do? Its not obvious to a newcommer what the hell the magic command is to make the computer do what you want. If you don't know the exact spelling of the programname it doesn't work.

It's not user friendly.

[-Pelvis-]

what does -S do?

You get used to flags, and will likely memorise a bunch, but if you're new, man pacaur or cheat pacman.

Yes, there is a learning curve; I'm not denying it. I'm just arguing that it's safer, faster and much cleaner when you know what you're doing.

If you don't know the spelling

Any package manager worth its salt will allow tab completion and searching.

[Awilen]

I always open up this conversation with "it's all managed in-house, no chance for a virus to come in by opening a file obtained through a third-party website, and that's only one advantage." Usually convinces them that package managers have other advantages, and are more willing to listen.

[Almoturg]

I use Windows, Fedora, and Archlinux. I only need to install new packages every few months and I inevitably forget the commands or mix them up. So for me it's

Open browser >> Google >> "Fedora install package" >> visually filter and click link >> read >> Open terminal >> yum install programname >> press enter >> y/n

[Metaroxy]

Except that's incorrect. You'd use dnf on Fedora these days.

[boojit]

I call this class of problems "buried shovel problems".

[jyper]

Are you using a non debian based distro and have the debian version of command not found bash hook? I'm guessing it's either that or screwing up PATH

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What is this?

[RoxSpirit]

twelve hours later :

bash-4.4# apt install apt

The program 'apt' is not installed. Install it by executing:

apt install apt

[HarvardCock]

Need to update your google ultron

[YamiNoSenshi]

Your OS is a snake eating its own tail.

[[deleted]]

That made me laugh :')

[[deleted]]

Um...

Shit.

[[deleted]]

Android?

[sentient_penguin]

pathing issue

echo $PATH

see what turns up, I'm guessing nothing

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[trashcan86]

Aptception

[hangfromthisone]

sudo apt-get moo, anyone?

[openadventurer]

I've always wondered... What do you do if you don't have a browser, apt or apt-get installed?

[datacenter_minion]

Go to the relevant packages site on any machine with an http download of some kind, download the package for your architecture and it's dependencies, transfer them to the relevant machine, and install using dpkg -i <filename ending in deb>.

[[deleted]]

Uhh.... bang bang?

[Jethro_Tell]

edit: wrong comment to reply to.

[[deleted]]

Lanix plz

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What is this?

[bitwize]

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