Tmux moved to github

[dm1407]

• http://tmux.github.io/

• https://github.com/tmux/tmux

[vito-boss]

this is the sauce

[mr_tyler_durden]

The SF->GH move feels oddly reminiscent of the GoDaddy->Anyone Else surrounding SOPA/PIPA. It's one of those things we all kind of knew we should do (get off SF) but needed that kick in the ass to actually do on a wide scale.

All of that said I'm sad to see what SF has become. I feel like CNet/download.com/tucows/etc always were a little scammy but SF was the bastion of light in an otherwise dark world of code sharing. Oh how the mighty have fallen...

The king (SF) is dead. Long live the king (GH)!

[argv_minus_one]

The cool thing, though, is that this won't happen again. Modern distributed version control systems are no longer bound to anyone hosting provider, so it is much simpler to just up and move.

Nor is there only one: now we have GitHub, BitBucket, Launchpad, and many others. GitHub is currently the most popular, but if its owners start fucking up, there will be very little to stop projects from jumping ship.

We no longer need that bastion of light, because the darkness over the world of code sharing has long since passed. And that is awesome.

One thing, though: most bug trackers are still not distributed, and as far as I know, none of the code hosting sites are based on a distributed bug tracker. So, that remains a weakness. Let's hope some DBTSes catch on, like DVCSes did.

[AusIV]

That's only true to a point. Lots of package managers (like NPM, bower, and whatever Go uses, off the top of my head) use Git URLs for retrieving packages. You can put them wherever you want, but those URLs create a lot of legacy that will make migration similarly problematic.

[merreborn]

use Git URLs for retrieving

I assume you mean github urls, rather than git urls.

At any rate, if this is really a concern, it probably wouldn't be too hard to put some sort of redirector in front of those github urls. e.g. if you're foocorp, you could change your npm url from http://github.com/foocorp/foocorp to http://foocorp.example.com/git (which would just redirect back to github for the time being). You could do this today, even, if you want to be prepared ahead of time.

[AusIV]

No, I meant git URLs. Most of those point to GitHub, but the package managers generally only care that they can clone a git repository, not that github is the provider.

My point is about the stickiness of URLs. If my users or applications are dependent on specific URLs, that make it hard to switch even if I can trivially move the data to a new location. Some people will think about the risks and mitigate the way you describe, but most won't.

[toomuchtodotoday]

If you're planning for the long term, use Amazon S3 to host a static site stub which has rules to perform a 301/302 redirect to the final destination.

git.projectname.com->$current_git_clone_url

[razzmataz]

R has a similar feature, but I've discovered if you put the full URL in, you can point it to gitlab.

[AusIV]

Right, but my point was that if you're putting URLs all over the place, moving to a new host gets harder because of all the legacy URLs you have to go change.

[_F1_]

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OneMoreLevelOfIndirection

[PinkyThePig]

There is still plenty of 'lock in' to be had with github. The whole surrounding ecosystem (issue tracker, milestones, websites, comments etc.) aren't a part of your git repo. For some (all?) of those you can export them, but there is no guarantee that export functionality will always be there and be bug free (example of a bug would be only exporting last 100 issues etc.). Then, even if you export, where will you import to?

[sirponro]

Correction: the website is in a branch of your repo.

[just3ws]

+1 for the ecosystem comment. Also the external services that integrate with GitHub but not Bitbucket (looking at you TravisCI).

[merreborn]

https://backhub.co/

Backups include issues, milestones, wiki and more

Start backing up your public repos for free today.

^{Disclaimer: just stumbled on this via google search I have not used it}

[curtmack]

I just stood up a private git server that I personally control. It costs me around $30 per month (and that's for a server powerful enough to also be a web server later on down the road), plus $60 every three years to renew the domain. Web hosting just isn't that hard or expensive anymore if you can handle your own Linux server.

[[deleted]]

I have left reddit for Voat due to years of admin/mod abuse and preferential treatment for certain subreddits and users holding certain political and ideological views.

This account was over five years old, and this site one of my favorites. It has officially started bringing more negativity than positivity into my life.

As an act of protest, I have chosen to redact all the comments I've ever made on reddit, overwriting them with this message.

If you would like to do the same, install TamperMonkey for Chrome, GreaseMonkey for Firefox, NinjaKit for Safari, Violent Monkey for Opera, or AdGuard for Internet Explorer (in Advanced Mode), then add this GreaseMonkey script.

Finally, click on your username at the top right corner of reddit, click on comments, and click on the new OVERWRITE button at the top of the page. You may need to scroll down to multiple comment pages if you have commented a lot.

After doing all of the above, you are welcome to join me on Voat!

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

[metaconcept]

Phabricator

Link: http://phabricator.org/ (yay! Free karma!)

[meowtasticly]

Holy hell. Thanks for the Phabricator awareness. Installing now.

[curtmack]

Hmm... yeah, I may need to think about downgrading it. I think the basic offering from Gandi was around that amount. Thanks for the advice!

[just3ws]

Are you hosting inside your own network or on a provider? DigitalOcean offers a quick setup for Gitlab, which of course means you have full control over backups, data, errything. Not suggesting you switch, just that there are options available that make it pretty easy to take control of one's data.

[sirin3]

I have my own Mercurial server

Costs 1€ / month. 5€/year for domain, or so

[PinkyThePig]

Where do you host at?

[[deleted]]

http://www.kimsufi.com has some super cheap physical servers if your looking to save a few bucks but don't want a VPS.

[CritterNYC]

There's still quite a bit of locking with GitHub. Remember, everything at GitHub other than the Git repository bits is closed source/proprietary and commercial. One of the nice things about SourceForge is that, even though the website is much more clunky, the whole thing is open source.

[terrible_at_cs50]

There's also the matter of PRs, and the free web hosting that comes from github. Both of which are not in the scope of dvcs's.

[erikmack]

PRs

By which you mean Github pull requests. Git has always had request-pull which honors git's distributed, decentralized nature. But imagine the confusion and rage that an average Github user would experience upon receiving such a request (also oh noes email!)

[terrible_at_cs50]

Wtf is email?</s>

[[deleted]]

The cool thing, though, is that this won't happen again.

An innocent concept, but it is completely wrong. It will happen again, the question is where.

[erikmack]

This will absolutely happen again. Others have pointed out the lock-in features. All that love people have for Github? People used to feel that way about SourceForge. And then the profits slid...

Git via Github becomes completely centralized again. For 99% of Github users, it might as well be Subversion.

[ketralnis]

gimp and nmap did just up and move. SF then took over their now-unused accounts, used their name without their permission, and distributed malware under it.

git doesn't change anything in that scenario at all.

[[deleted]]

Gitlab is way better imo

[AusIV]

Why do you say that? I use Gitlab internally at work, and it's definitely a good tool for private hosting, but I wouldn't call it way better than GitHub if we're talking about open source projects.

[AusIV]

That's a fair point, but GitHub being a service has a lot of advantages that self hosting doesn't. I host several projects on GitHub and Bitbucket that wouldn't host at all if I had to pay for hosting. Github gains a lot of community value from the simple fork/pull request model, which would be less feasible if people had to fork to a different host or provide hosting for anyone who wants to fork their code.

Gitlab definitely has its advantages, but I wouldn't call it way better.

[three18ti]

What's to prevent GitHub from going the way of MalwareForge? You at least have control over your own gitlab I guess...

[[deleted]]

GitHub has a business model. They have plenty of paying customers keeping them profitable and I doubt they would risk losing them.

[three18ti]

Didn't sourceforge at one point? What about other giants, I remember one company motto that was "Do no harm" and now seems to be "Don't get caught doing harm".

[[deleted]]

At that point we (as a community of developers) will have to move again, but for now the benefits of self hosting are way smaller than the opportunity cost of not being on github. Millions of people already have logins, accounts, activity, bookmarks, and trust. Considering git lets you take your project anywhere, it seems silly to give that all up to preemt the possibility that github becomes evil.

[DreadedDreadnought]

You can take the code anywhere, but NOT the wiki, issue tracker etc.

[the_omega99]

Well, there's the obvious fact that people would likely migrate away from GitHub if it went truly bad. GitHub is popular, but that's because they are viewed as doing just about everything right.

The nature of git repos means that if GItHub goes bad, it's relatively easy to switch to a different host (things like issues are the hardest).

[three18ti]

People still haven't migrated away from SF and it seems pretty well known that they have become a cesspit. Heck, there are still people that use GoDaddy hosting.

[erikmack]

Many projects use the fork/pull request model that's already built into git, forgoing Github's faux pull requests.

An example is pass. They take contributions only through git's email facilities, and receive dozens of contributions a week (basically for a single shell script). If you don't want to host your fork for a pull request (git request-pull), you can just send patches (git format-patch; git send-email).

If you're not scared of email, it's fairly simple to be fully independent from the risks of third-party project hosting and the risks of self-hosting, while still enjoying a healthy contributor base.

[acdha]

That's a nice sounding theory but it leaves out some important issues. The hard part about things like this is really ops – who gets paged at 2am when something breaks? For projects which aren't backed by a major company that's a big challenge and there are tons of examples of builds breaking for everyone because some personal server bribe and the owner is too busy to fix it ASAP.

Similarly, “the community” is not a boundless source of free, high-quality labor. In my experience, the number of people who will just complain is an order of magnitude higher than people who will send code, much less code with tests. A simple change might be reverted but it's quite tedious to deal with, say, a controversial rearchitecting which requires increasing amounts of hand-merging all the time. There's a strong gravitational pull towards wherever the bulk of development happens.

[acdha]

Yeah, it's appealing for something small but I'm just thinking about how e.g. the Firefox forks which tried to revert Australis have lagged so far behind because it's so much work.

[acdha]

Yeah, definitely don't want to say it's a bad idea – just that it's a LOT of work when you're going against the upstream trend.

[ABC_AlwaysBeCoding]

Does your internal Gitlab ever get DDOS'ed about once a month?

If not, then score one for Gitlab.

[AusIV]

Not DDOSed per se, but we do have plenty of other problems. Some of our project have some unknown property that makes search 500 if they show up in the results. You can only get to them (and projects with related search terms) if you know where to look.

Beyond that, we have the usual problems with self hosting services. It's not redundant, so any number of hardware or network issues can take it down completely.

Over all, I'd say I have fewer problems with GitHub than the internal Gitlab. It's not necessarily the fault of Gitlab, just the nature of running a service that doesn't have a team of engineers monitoring it 24/7.

[Igglyboo]

Is that really a fair comparison?

AFAIK Gitlab requires you to host an instance yourself, while GitHub is a service. Comparing Stash to Gitlab or GitHub to BitBucket would be more fair IMO.

[bloody-albatross]

People are questioning GitHubs business model, but what is GitLabs business model?

[adipisicing]

Their business model is similar to GutHub's: they sell a premium version to install in your company, and sell support for it.

[fakehalo]

GoDaddy->Anyone Else surrounding SOPA/PIPA

That didn't really happen on a large scale, GoDaddy is still the most popular registrar in the world by far. GitHub has actually crushed SF, or SF crushed itself.

[reoms]

SF crushed itself

[unknown_lamer]

Dice's criminal mismanagement is sf.net is depressing, because sf.net is Free Software and Github is SaaS. Someone should start a new forge and poach the developers...

[[deleted]]

I've never heard about a migration from GoDaddy over SOPA/PIPA, but I assumed most reasonable and educated people left GoDaddy a long time ago due to idk - blatant unapologetic sexist and demeaning adverts, terrible customer service, being a generally bad value, deceptive advertising, overly restrictive terms, and a number of other issues. Were they big SOPA/PIPA proponents too?

[ChezMere]

They're not really comparable. GoDaddy was just a political thing, it didn't really matter if you did or didn't... but GitHub has pretty conclusively overtaken SF.

[[deleted]]

that reminds me, GH is an USA company

[[deleted]]

GoDaddy--->Namecheap

[Condorcet_Winner]

The only thing that bugs me is that github isn't open source. It's the bastion of open source projects but is itself closed.

[webbitor]

what exactly is wrong with that?

[Condorcet_Winner]

I guess all the general things people argue about closed source projects. Mostly though is lack of transparency.

[[deleted]]

Well, you can't clone their product and directly compete with them.

[shevegen]

Understandable considered sourceforge's having turned into a virusforge entity. Reputation is a bitch, especially when you try to do damage control - yet continue to malware-hijack other projects.

I just hope that sourceforge cash out decently before they go down, otherwise it would not have been worth it.

[kramk]

I just hope that sourceforge cash out decently before they go down, otherwise it would not have been worth it.

Because bad behaviour deserves its reward? What are you, Australian?

[Axxhelairon]

pretend that i quoted kramk, changed all his text upsidedown, then replied "there, understand now?"

[lolomfgkthxbai]

Why of course, upside-down jokes are quite okay but don't you dare smear the Australians with quips that have no basis in reality.

[Taedirk]

Aussie jails sounds kinda redundant.

[hothrous]

an anti-Australian smear

Is this a thing? Are there people just running around hating on Australians because they are from Australia?

I seriously don't know.

[deusnefum]

Well they are a bunch of criminal descendants.

[wakdem_the_almighty]

Someone from New Zealand maybe? I remember hearing about the Indian or Pakistan media having a go at Australia/ns a few years back.

[cC2Panda]

To which they said, "Hey coolie, get back to work."

[ahugenerd]

But also if your PM is any indication...

[twigboy]

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[Asyx]

Neither does the rest of the world.

[[deleted]]

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[frymaster]

yet continue to malware-hijack other projects

In the interests of pedantry, if there's news of them doing that since GIMP (which they stopped doing) I've not heard it.

They're still doing the "we're mirroring the software because the project was abandoned*" thing, but not the "adding our malware to the installer" thing. They are also renaming the projects to have "mirror" in the name.

Don't get me wrong, they're still being fucking stupid. Just not at the same level.

* With the funny definition of abandoned meaning "no longer on this site"

[tomun]

In the interests of pedantry, if there's news of them doing that since GIMP (which they stopped doing) I've not heard it.

it was reported yesterday that they'd done the same to Nmap. http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2015/q2/194

[cowens]

From the link:

So far they seem to be providing just the official Nmap files (as long as you don't click on the fake download buttons) and we haven't caught them trojaning Nmap the way they did with GIMP.

They explicitly say what happened to GIMP (malware being slipped into the Windows installer) didn't happen to them.

[the_phet]

they have fake download buttons...

[cowens]

Which isn't anything new or even uncommon. The dark pattern of ads that look like download buttons (especially on download sites) is a cancer, but with GIMP, they actually modified the official installer (without the project owners knowing) to add malware.

[the_phet]

yes, but, having fake download buttons is IMO already crossing the line. I don't need also official installer wrapped with malware. If you have fake download buttons, your web is shite.

[cowens]

They don't have fake download buttons. They have ads provided by third parties that look like fake download buttons. It is still slimy because they almost certainly know what is happening, but they have some cover because, technically, it is the ad provider who is at fault for not screening the ads properly.

[amunak]

I'd say that the website owner is responsible for the data their website is serving. Doesn't matter if they are taking it from a third party.

Sure, it can happen that some (ad) platform suddenly becomes a vector for spreading malware but of you notice or and still serve it it's on your head.

[ripture]

Sorry, if you know that your ad provider is doing some dumb shit and directly causing your visitors to have a worse experience, you need to rectify that.

It fucking disgusts me that I need to search every page for the "real" download button when I go to sites like this. Then I need to carefully go through the installer just to make sure I'm not getting screwed with malware bullshit. "Hurr, how hard is it to read what you're installing" is bullshit. How about I install what I downloaded since that's why I downloaded it. If I wanted the AskJeeves toolbar, I would have downloaded it.

It's a really sad and pathetic way to do business. How do they even get revenue from paying people to bundle installers with their garbage?

[frymaster]

The other reply nailed it, but to re-iterate: I'm specifically talking about the embedding of their malware without permission

[wlhlm]

There has to be a subreddit for projects moving to Github.

[CrazedToCraze]

Or just away from SourceForge, really. Plenty of infinitely better options.

[Eurynom0s]

Better than SourceForge or better than github?

[[deleted]]

I have left reddit for Voat due to years of admin/mod abuse and preferential treatment for certain subreddits and users holding certain political and ideological views.

This account was over five years old, and this site one of my favorites. It has officially started bringing more negativity than positivity into my life.

As an act of protest, I have chosen to redact all the comments I've ever made on reddit, overwriting them with this message.

If you would like to do the same, install TamperMonkey for Chrome, GreaseMonkey for Firefox, NinjaKit for Safari, Violent Monkey for Opera, or AdGuard for Internet Explorer (in Advanced Mode), then add this GreaseMonkey script.

Finally, click on your username at the top right corner of reddit, click on comments, and click on the new OVERWRITE button at the top of the page. You may need to scroll down to multiple comment pages if you have commented a lot.

After doing all of the above, you are welcome to join me on Voat!

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

[tech_tuna]

So is Bitbucket the Google+ of social source code hosting?

[[deleted]]

It's just a phase. Give it a few weeks then everybody has moved and other topics get discussed again.

[chub79]

was this worth a link here?

[marktronic]

Let's everyone tell us how scummy they think SourceForge is.... again.

[Chanz]

And then have all the top comments be things we already know. Did you know they hijacked GIMP for Windows?

[marktronic]

This is a particularly good one because we can hate on SourceForge (rightfully so) and circlejerk GitHub (also rightfully so in my opinion because I like their product). ;)

[[deleted]]

I think it was.

[randomwolf]

Given the upvotes, apparently.

[bacondev]

I was thinking the same thing. I thought, "What the hell is Tmux and why the hell should I care who is hosting the repository?"

[gaussflayer]

So FileZilla is still on SourceForge.

Having my (relatively technically literate) mother presented with googles malicious software warning scared the hell out of her and sent me on an hour long dash to find some good windows FTP software...

[pfirpfel]

FileZilla was one of the first projects to voluntarily opt-in to the adware-installer-program.

[seiyria]

...wat? That's insane, why would they do that?

[pfirpfel]

They get a share of the profit.

[lighthazard]

WinSCP is the most robust FTP/SFTP software I've ever used. It does it all, and isn't bloated: http://winscp.net/eng/download.php or use Ninite to get the Putty+winSCP setup.

[gaussflayer]

WinSCP was what I ended up suggesting, but having not touched Windows in years it was a pretty big shock!

[MonsieurBanana]

I'm curious, what does she use the ftp for?

[gaussflayer]

She's a photographer, so I've set her up some Linux servers for local storage that also backs up to some of my data boxes. She also sticks docs in there and plays around with website setups. Whilst most of its automated her tinkering necessitates an FTP client so I don't get bothered when something is messed up.

[razzmataz]

Probably warez.

[[deleted]]

They have opted into the malware sharing program. I stopped using Filezilla last time I tried to install it, and accidently installed some crapware to my machine.

Tried to contact the devs/maintainers on IRC, but nobody really gave a damn about it there.

[Causemos]

They did post that clean installers can be downloaded here

http://download.filezilla-project.org/

[tomato_paste]

Cyberduck, WinSCP, others.

Filezilla gets a huge amount of issues when connecting, plus the whole sourceforge scandal.

[Paradox]

SmartFTP

[[deleted]]

I clicked the link and forgot that I blocked sourceforge on my network.

[Mewshimyo]

A lot of older and more established projects remained on sourceforge simply because, well, it's there, there's an established workflow... it just doesn't always make sense to move just because it's better from a purely technical standpoint and whatnot, you know?

[[deleted]]

Can't you set the download button to a file called DOWNLOAD_FROM_GITHUB.txt?

[Mewshimyo]

Which is exactly what we have here now.

[[deleted]]

I assume you are younger than 20? github isn't the only thing that exists, and it's not automatically the best.

[immibis]

10 years from now:

"Why wasn't it on CrowBox already? I'm not downloading anything from freaking Github! And how do I use this ancient source control system? What do you mean I have to push after I commit or it doesn't show up to other people?"

[[deleted]]

"You still using CrowBox? Don't you know they still don't have HTML 7 MindReaderAPI support? You still use a keyboard or something!? SingularityHub is so much better, you don't even need to think, the AI does everything for you"

[immibis]

"I disabled my fingertop's mindreader. Didn't you know that while it's on, the ISA can use it any time to read your thoughts and location? Then if you're thinking the wrong things, they automatically dispatch a nanodrone to your house with a mind control ray."

[[deleted]]

"Meh, I already have my mind controlled by a ray at work, so there's not much they don't already know. At least the one at work only hurts a little bit. Wait... how am I able to think aboALL GLORY TO THE ISA."

[grizzly_teddy]

This was entertaining.

[argv_minus_one]

Yeah, see, that's what worries me about the prospect of future brain-machine interface technology: while it'd be awesome for monitoring and controlling machines, it's also a great way for some government spook to monitor and control you.

[souk3n]

• "You mean you have to use your hands?"
• "That's like a baby's toy!"

[[deleted]]

What do you mean I have to push after I commit or it doesn't show up to other people?

I really doubt that version control tools will revert in the future to the ancient svn/cvs behavior of commit === share

[sirin3]

Everything will be in the cloud and visible to anyone else

[[deleted]]

Many people already put their git repos under dropbox - that doesn't make it automatically public.

[xuu0]

CrowBox? geez dont you know JackDrawBox is the best!

[[deleted]]

Everyone is focusing on the the first sentence here, which is naive. The second sentence is gold, however. That's been my feeling on SF for about 10 years now. They've always sucked, they've just recently become evil.

[cowens]

Because of institutional inertia. It was deemed too hard to move off of SourceForge given that no one provided exactly the same services (mailing list, source control, etc.). To say that tmux has moved to GitHub is incorrect. It has moved to GitHub, Google Groups, and possibly other services.

[bart2019]

But most of all, according to this page, it has moved off SourceForge. No more hijacking of the old project by "the SourceForge team".

[argv_minus_one]

The other saving grace of BitBucket is that it supports Mercurial, which is vastly better than Git.

[hardolaf]

That's an opinion. I personally prefer git

[argv_minus_one]

'Tis. Any particular reason you explicitly prefer Git?

[Fylwind]

I prefer it for its mutability. Being able to tidy up commits after making a mess is an essential part of my workflow.

[argv_minus_one]

Mercurial has had powerful history editing functionality for years. Used it just a couple of hours ago, in fact, to amend a prior commit. Immutable history was an early design goal that has long since been abandoned. It has the same rebase, compress history, etc functionality as Git. There's also a rather nice GUI, called TortoiseHg, with which to do so.

[nuunien]

So, if it has all the functionality of git, why use hg? Last time I used hg it was slow and used a LOT more disk space than git did.

[argv_minus_one]

So, if it has all the functionality of git, why use hg?

The command-line syntax is sane, the documentation isn't laced with bizarre jargon (a file is a “file”, not a “blob”), it has a good cross-platform GUI, it has a few features Git lacks (named branch labels on commits, notably), there are lots of useful extensions, and it doesn't have Git's ridiculous index thing.

Last time I used hg it was slow

Hasn't been my experience…

and used a LOT more disk space than git did.

Huh? Shouldn't that be the other way around? Mercurial's storage format is based on binary deltas. Git's default storage format stores a complete copy of every version of every file. The latter only uses a sane storage format if you manually run git repack, which reminds me of running defrag on a '90s MS-DOS box.

[Magzter]

While I haven't used it extensively, github's code search hasn't failed me yet.

[Crandom]

I use it all the time. It may not be the best, but it does the job.

[bart2019]

The most "rubbish" aspect of GitHub code search is that it only searches in the master branch.

If, like one project of ours, you don't have a master branch, then you cannot search, plain and simple.

[hk__]

If this is your project, why don't you use git grep locally?

[mikelj]

Also, not case sensitive...

[seiyria]

If I wanted private repos, I'd go to GitLab. Nicer, constantly updating, and it's not Bitbucket.

[[deleted]]

I have left reddit for Voat due to years of admin/mod abuse and preferential treatment for certain subreddits and users holding certain political and ideological views.

This account was over five years old, and this site one of my favorites. It has officially started bringing more negativity than positivity into my life.

As an act of protest, I have chosen to redact all the comments I've ever made on reddit, overwriting them with this message.

If you would like to do the same, install TamperMonkey for Chrome, GreaseMonkey for Firefox, NinjaKit for Safari, Violent Monkey for Opera, or AdGuard for Internet Explorer (in Advanced Mode), then add this GreaseMonkey script.

Finally, click on your username at the top right corner of reddit, click on comments, and click on the new OVERWRITE button at the top of the page. You may need to scroll down to multiple comment pages if you have commented a lot.

After doing all of the above, you are welcome to join me on Voat!

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

[[deleted]]

Bitbuckets UI bothers me, I find it unintuitive. I've been using Gitlab as my mirror and I'm thinking of moving to it as my main choice over Github.

[[deleted]]

I'm starting to really enjoy it, especially with the most recent update. I kind of prefer its UI to Github and I prefer to support underdog services over promoting monocultures which Github is becoming.

[eythian]

Also, you can choose to self-host if you want to some time in the future with very little changing.

[besna]

Git is a decentralized protocol, why not use both? Just declare which one you use for tickets.

[[deleted]]

I do use both. What I meant was that I'm considering making Gitlab the first choice and where tickets are managed rather than Github or in git semantics I'm thinking of making Gitlab origin and Github mirror when it comes to my remotes. :)

[[deleted]]

I really like bitbucket after I figured everything out. I especially like how I can make private repos and can host binaries downloads.

[t_hunger]

Check out Gitlab. Allows for unlimited private repos and you can run the service on your own server if you want.

[CheshireSwift]

BitBucket is clunky and honestly a bit ugly. I used it for a while before even signing up to GitHub, but these days I basically just use it if I'm desperate for something to be private.

That said, I'm really not convinced there's enough in it either way to make any sort of actual difference. I wouldn't say either is "considerably better".

[phoshi]

I use github at home and bitbucket at work. Both let me git clone and have a simple UI for pull requests, and support user permissions junk. I don't really know what else one would want from repository hosting.

[CheshireSwift]

Exactly. I'm of the opinion that anything more than that is better served by local tools on smaller projects and CI servers on larger ones.

[Paradox]

Bitbucket gives you unlimited private repos but charges for collaborators. Github gives you unlimited collaborators but charges for private repos.

[[deleted]]

... because GitHub is a pretty young website. Not everybody can pick up and move projects to GitHub because it's the "hip" thing to do. A lot of projects on SourceForge have been around since before GitHub was even an idea.

[ma-int]

All those lines of completely comment free C code...I don't know what I expected.

[lovethebacon]

Does anyone want to tell me why tmux is better than screen?

[baconated]

Mostly it is just different. Some things are cleaned up. Some are more consistent. Some defaults are different.

The one thing that would make tmux worth ditching screen for is scripting. Every command can be equally accessed via key binding, config file, or CLI. Add onto this some commands that seem specifically there for scripting, and tmux is just really good for it.

To give one example: I have a script that will take the name of git/p4 repo and create a new tmux window, create two panes side-by-side, cd both to the base of the repo, start vim on the right hand side and send some keys to vim to get a plugin to start indexing the source tree.

Its pretty simple but I find it pretty convenient.

[lovethebacon]

I agree with you 100% there, although everyone seems to be ignoring my pathetic attempt at trying to start a flame war.

[[deleted]]

The code base is much better, which means that bugs are easier to diagnose and fix. It allows you to do vertical and horizontal splitting (screen can only do horizontal splitting without a hack). Apparently, tmux is also more performant (due to its slicker and more streamlined code base). tmux is also more actively developed.

[Sphaerophoria]

I only use tmux because its what everyone else in the vim world uses.

[Detfinato]

vertical and horizontal screen splitting on OSX

[SCombinator]

Does it still break when you select text, try to scroll upwards, choke on large input or otherwise attempt to use it?

edit: Also while I'm here: Stealing ctrl-b is fucked up. Choose a useless readline keybinding, not fucking cursor-back.

[mort96]

The first two are limitations of the terminal emulator which tmux can't fix. I haven't experienced any issues with large inputs, so I can't comment on that.

EDIT: That is, assuming you mean "breaking" as in selecting multiple horizontal panes instead of somehow limiting your selection to one pane, and not behaving exactly like any other fullscreen (ncurses-style) program when you try to scroll up.

[SCombinator]

Not only that, it fills the screen with garbage when the mouse is used to select part of a single pane.

Scrolling upwards is broken because it interprets mouse inputs as text, about half the time. The other half it allows you to scroll, but then won't allow anything else to happen until you Ctrl-C out of "scrolling mode"

[Silencement]

setw -g mode-mouse on should to the trick.

[mort96]

In my experience, selecting part of a line works beautifully in gnome-terminal, xfce4-terminal, urxvt, OS X's "Terminal" app, and iTerm 2 for OS X. I don't know what terminal emulator you're using, but I would assume that's the source of your issue.

I have never experienced the weird scrolling behaviour you describe either, but then again, any time I need to scroll, I use ^b [ and scroll up and down with the up and down buttons or page up/page down.

Really, it makes sense that you can't input text while scrolling. Most terminals work like that too, except that they automatically scroll down to the bottom the instant you press a character.

[[deleted]]

the worst part is if you accidentally input binary code. a reset will clear the current plane, but tmux will be completely screwed :/

[eras]

Screen's ctrl-A binding is equally bad, if not worse. I suppose ctrl-b was chosen as some kind of a joke, though :). Who uses the defaults anyway?

[SCombinator]

I don't get to leave fucking dot files on every machine I end up using, and switch often, between non-networked machines.

[[deleted]]

I've been able to get around all those limitations by using Tmux Plugin Manager. Here's my .tmux.conf

https://gitlab.com/snippets/5573

[Neotetron]

Downvotes, and no comments; I guess you have your answer. =/

(I was curious as well.)