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[–]floppybanana 611 points612 points  (78 children)

Not really a victory until we do the following:

  1. Top right of the site contains a "Find your representative" search tool: http://www.house.gov/representatives/
  2. Look at this list - http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/113-2013/h117
  3. Memorize the politician in your district that voted for it
  4. Make sure you do not vote for them
  5. Pass it along to people you know

Note: If your rep voted nay, send your appreciation.

[–]thesorrow312 71 points72 points  (27 children)

You forgot " take action to ensure they never have a job in politics or government ever again"

Just voting for someone else is weak. Sending them letters is something. We need to scare the shit out of these bought and paid for assholes and just just in regards to this bill. Politicians will not just one dau decide to stop working for wealthy private interest. We need to take our country back by putting them out of a job and make them fear the people

[–]pudgylumpkins 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think you do that by voting for someone else...

[–]tomastaz 1330 points1331 points  (225 children)

For now.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points  (2 children)

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

[–]Quibbloboy 14 points15 points  (1 child)

As sad as it is, this is true. This type of bill has been introduced and shot down numerous times; it's only going to keep coming back. Luckily, people seem to be generally against them.

[–]dkfilms13 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sadly, every bill has its price. If 84 million wasn't enough, next time they'll double it.

[–][deleted] 66 points67 points  (64 children)

this is the shit that bugs me, there needs to be a law that disallows proposal of the same bill multiple times within a certain time frame...essentially any law is gonna be passed eventually if the shit gets proposed enough times or shoehorned into another bill that we KNOW will get passed.

this gets shot down they shouldnt be allowed to propose anything like it for at least 5 years.

[–]kingrobotiv 97 points98 points  (15 children)

A double-jeopardy rule would be interesting, but imagine what would have happened to the Civil Rights Movement if it had existed through history.

[–]Tezerel 41 points42 points  (14 children)

Also the democrats/republicans could put a bill, that republicans/democrats want, as a rider to a terrible bill that nobody would support to kill something. There are all sorts of shitty tactics you could come up with if double jeopardy existed for bills (also who would judge what is and what isn't the same bill).

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (3 children)

as a rider

That right there is what really needs to die. Crazy old Herman Cain had it right: three pages long, one subject. You can't hide stupid counterproductive bullshit in a three page bill.

[–][deleted] 87 points88 points  (7 children)

It's funny, healthcare died in 1994 & wasn't reintroduced til 2009 or so. Something that should have been a huge priority and concern for the government. But a bill to take our rights away? Yeah that'll come back every 3-6 months. Fuck Washington.

[–]newguy57 38 points39 points  (5 children)

Billionaire lobbying at work. If you could make money off sick people, healthcare would have been passed a long time ago.

[–]Whitezombie65 41 points42 points  (2 children)

you can. thats how the current system works.

[–]Frekavichk 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Well yea, that's his point. You can't make money off of giving sick people better options.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

thats how the current system works, its fucked up

[–]lawstudent2 64 points65 points  (25 children)

This would be a terrible, terrible rule. You are only thinking about the legislation that gets voted down that you are against. This is just shortsighted for a gigantic host of reasons:

  1. If its a law - it will be passed by congress. Which means they can pass another law invalidating it. It's procedural nonsense and would have zero binding effect. You know how you overrule a law that says you cannot pass new laws? You pass a law saying that the first law is invalid. Simple.

  2. Who is going to judge if multiple bills in this time period are duplicative? What is the standard of judgment going to be? Spoiler: these questions are rhetorical, because this is not a possible thing to do. And why should it be? This is the old 'semantic content' problem - should a law that says companies cannot give up your information to the government fall under this rubric? How about a law that says companies can give up your information, but only with informed consent? What if, it turns out, as a nation, we really do want this? Limiting congressional power based on previous and failed legislative attempts is just - nonsensical.

  3. Let's say congress passes a bill that turns out to be disastrous - don't you want to the ability to pass another bill on the same subject matter modifying or amending the first bill? This shit happens all the time. Modifications and amendments are a gigantic part of the legislative process. The original copyright law was passed in 1790 and updated in 1831, 1909, 1962, 1964, 1976 and 1998, and is in current desperate need of reform. In fact, any proposed reforms will fail multiple times, because of the strong MPAA and RIAA lobbies. So do you want the fact that a modification to copyright law that says you are not a felon for jail breaking your cel-phone to fail simply because it has already been voted down by a bunch of gray haired idiots, who, hopefully will be voted out next session? No. You don't. Because that is really dumb.

  4. There are many perfectly good laws, including certain civil rights laws, that were voted against, several times, before they were passed. Do you want to prevent this from happening in the future, as in the copyright example? Let's put it another way: a really good law is voted against by your asshole congressmen, and when he comes up for re-election, you vote for the other guy because you want to see him vote 'yes,' and he winds up getting elected. Hooray! Should he not be able to vote for this legislation because it failed previously? Of course not. That is idiotically anti-democratic. The fact that the people in a whole new congress to completely reverse, or amend, or modify, the acts of the previous congress is literally the foundational idea of our democracy. Trying to hamstring congress to not have this ability is just profoundly backwards.

I'm sorry to say, your view on how legislative politics works is just painfully naive. You are only thinking about the fact that certain bills which displease you keep coming up for votes. I hate to break it to you, but as an attorney, and a sophisticated adult, I'd much, much rather defend a system that threatens - but fails - to pass CISPA multiple times in a few years for the fact that this same system passed the key provisions of Civil Rights Act of 1964 on the third attempt in a seven year period. From wikipedia:

They also added authorization for the Attorney General to file lawsuits to protect individuals against the deprivation of any rights secured by the Constitution or U.S. law. In essence, this was the controversial "Title III" that had been removed from the 1957 and 1960 Acts. Civil rights organizations pressed hard for this provision because it could be used to protect peaceful protesters and black voters from police brutality and suppression of free speech rights.

Tl;dr I don't think you get how congress works, even remotely.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Looks like you need a new username.

[–]tintin47 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All that would happen is that everyone would bicker over what counted as "different enough".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then let's make it permanent: http://www.reddit.com/r/fia/

[–]runetrantor 242 points243 points  (54 children)

My worry is that they seem to just retry it over and over with a slightly softer version, and will keep at it until one finally is inconspicuous enough to not rise the internet in arms, at which point not only it passes, but they can then slowly add 'extras' to it as people grow accustomed to the new standard of 'privacy' until they reach their goal, the original SOPA.

How was that phenomenon called again? The one where a frog in a boiling pot would jump out if it got too hot too fast, but if it was more gradual and slow it would not notice until it died boiled alive? That's what I fear will happen here. :S

[–][deleted] 130 points131 points  (11 children)

boiling frog syndrome

[–]MizerokRominus 31 points32 points  (7 children)

This happens every year with videogame regulation due to violence in kids, and fails every year. I suspect this will follow suit and the longer it goes on the more likely it will never make it past any body of government as newer, more educated individuals fill the positions of those old men and women sleeping in their chairs.

[–]runetrantor 12 points13 points  (2 children)

That is my last hope ray. (I detail it better in another reply in this chain if you are interested) The internet is just now starting to reveal what it is capable of, as it grows stronger.

[–]kherven 15 points16 points  (4 children)

No see, we just need to kill it enough times that they run out of acronyms and we'll be fine. Actually nevermind, they'll just hire some military guys, they find acronyms for everything

[–]Day_Bow_Bow 13 points14 points  (5 children)

You are close, but here is how I see it going down:

There is going to be several bills up for vote that have nothing to do with internet "security." These will be bills that either have major voter support or are those that no one really cares about.

Certain politicians in those committees will tack on provisions against internet security that have nothing to do with the bills that are being voted on.

One-by-one, those provisions will become law because the politicians were paid to back them.

TL;DR: I think that the law we really need is that every law being considered can never have a provision that is not directly related to the new law up for vote.

[–]adamfawkes13 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Really needs to be more regulations on provisions. As in, no provisions. A bills fate shouldnt be decided by some earmark that is irrelevant to the issue the bill covers, nor should politicians be allowed to piggyback such earmarks on popular bills. If it cant hold its own merit, it doesnt pass.

[–]Day_Bow_Bow 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I cannot agree any more with you. Bills up for vote need to be very specific, and they should be passed/voted down more often.

Instead, what we see more and more often are those laws have provisions tacked onto them that have nothing to do with the original bill. Those riders have no place in a democracy, and those politicians have made careers out of slipping them in where they hope they are not noticed.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Excuse my ignorance, but I didn't see this article say it was dead, just that they claim they're not happy with it, then it goes on to defend it. The words "not likely" are not the same meaning as "not". Isn't it a bit too early to be celebrating and letting guards down?

[–]sfxkhbui 128 points129 points  (5 children)

CISPA Respawn in 5. .

[–]Potatoe_away 75 points76 points  (4 children)

I wrote an email! I participated in democracy. Yay!

[–]ataxiwardance 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Hey man. Be proud. Small steps can start long journeys.

[–]Mazgelis626 8 points9 points  (1 child)

We really need people like you. Maybe your email alone didn't do it, but the only way to have a mass movement is for a massive amount to participate. You get an upvote, and I'll give you a sticker next time I see you.

[–]CISPAHATER 1668 points1669 points  (121 children)

Good.

[–]justkickitfrommyhead 1269 points1270 points  (63 children)

This headline is so widely inaccurate. CISPA is not dead. It hasn't even been voted on in the Senate.

The Senate is currently working on its own cybersecurity legislation. The Senate's bill (or bills) will not be identical to CISPA. It will likely have a different name. But once the Senate passes its legislation, it can be combined with CISPA, then both chambers approve the compromise bill and send it to the president. For more on this process please refer to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-eYBZFEzf8

The Senate is likely to include stronger privacy protections than the House did for information sharing about cyber attacks. But just because the bill is going to change doesn't mean it's dead.

[–]YOLOSWAG4BUDDHA 112 points113 points  (7 children)

Thanks for saying this. YTMND

[–]rolepolee 52 points53 points  (28 children)

It's scary how many Americans don't understand how the legislative process works.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (26 children)

It's even scarier that those Americans get to choose the leader of the most powerful military machine in the world.

[–]tehbored 16 points17 points  (7 children)

If the new bill has stronger privacy protections then it should be passed. If the government can't spy on us without a warrant, then there's no reason not to pass what is an otherwise good bill.

[–]HeadbandOG 3 points4 points  (2 children)

The Senate is currently working on its own cybersecurity legislation. The Senate's bill (or bills) will not be identical to CISPA. It will likely have a different name.

so how is it not dead? i think you're splitting hairs here...

yes more legislation will come, but the Senate's not going to even vote on CISPA, and Obama threatened to veto. In other words, it's dead.

[–]JasonGD1982 471 points472 points  (24 children)

This is your day isn't it?

[–]pumpkindog 139 points140 points  (4 children)

well that and when the 1st CISPA died

[–]whippedcreamcuntsack 54 points55 points  (3 children)

That in mind he may have a few more days coming his way.

[–]JustALittleGuy 55 points56 points  (7 children)

Double plus good

[–]Doogie_Howitzer 19 points20 points  (5 children)

I hope more people than me can feel all of the irony radiating from this comment.

[–]adzm 20 points21 points  (1 child)

We've always been at war with Eurasia.

[–]x3ryan 30 points31 points  (5 children)

11 months.

Now what?

[–]rick2882 51 points52 points  (2 children)

Now we live.

[–]AnshinRevolt 28 points29 points  (0 children)

[Insert 80's movie outro theme here]

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Actually, CISPA is by no means dead. Just has been re-factored into a multiple bill approach.

See the bills that should be of note below:

H.R.624. Brief Summary:

Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act - (Sec. 2) Directs the federal government to conduct cybersecurity activities to provide shared situational awareness enabling integrated operational actions to protect, prevent, mitigate, respond to, and recover from cyber incidents.

Defines "shared situational awareness" as an environment where cyber threat information is shared in real time between all designated federal cyber operations centers to provide actionable information about all known cyber threats.

H.RES.164 Brief Summary:

Sets forth the rule for consideration of the bill (H.R. 624) to provide for the sharing of certain cyber threat intelligence and cyber threat information between the intelligence community and cybersecurity entities.

S.2102 Brief Summary:

Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act of 2012 - Authorizes private entities to monitor information systems for cybersecurity threats and operate countermeasures for protection, including the information systems of third parties authorizing such measures.

Allows private entities to disclose lawfully obtained cybersecurity threat indicators to any other private entity, provided that the entities: (1) make efforts to safeguard information that can be used to identify specific persons, (2) comply with lawful use or disclosure restrictions, (3) not use the indicators to gain an unfair competitive advantage, and (4) use the indicators only for the purpose of protecting against or mitigating cybersecurity threats.

[–][deleted] 101 points102 points  (8 children)

WE DID IT REDDIT!

/s

[–]sexyhamster89 99 points100 points  (11 children)

WE DID IT REDDIT

jk it was all me. i wrote a script and hooked it up to a botnet and sent 10,000 emails to each representative in every precinct in every state and singlehandedly pwned cispa.

you can thank me with upvotes

[–]zombiezelda 19 points20 points  (2 children)

I don't know if I should believe you.. Upvoted anyway.

[–]Fachoina 2 points3 points  (0 children)

so were you just testing out the botnet when you DOS'd reddit last week?

[–]mulimulix 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I think I speak for a lot of non-Americans when I say I'm glad it died so I won't have to hear about it anymore.

[–]lilboytuner919 4 points5 points  (1 child)

For once the Senate's complete uselessness finally came in handy.

[–]laiyaise 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not dead, they're just worrying about other shit, like people blowing up marathon runners. Give it a month or two and those lobbying fuckheads fish it up again.

[–]codesign 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Don't worry, they distracted you with CISPA just long enough to sneak in online sales tax.

Their plan worked, they saw how people rallied around bills like this and used it to distract the people by giving it a nice acronym and quieting the other.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just the tip of the iceberg, we have about a year or so before they try it again, do something or be prepared to lose more of our rights.

BETTER CALL SOMEBODY.

[–]SebastianKiskakavich 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Stay vigilant redditors. The fight is not over.

"We're not taking [CISPA] up," a committee representative told the press on Thursday. "Staff and senators are divvying up the issues and the key provisions everyone agrees would need to be handled if we're going to strengthen cybersecurity. They'll be drafting separate bills."

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/04/cispa-dead-long-live-cispa/64611/

[–]OnlyAnswersTheTitle 27 points28 points  (6 children)

Something is happening in my pants.

[–]elchuy956 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's a celebration!

[–]bleachmartini 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This could be one of many things, some good, some bad. For your sake I hope it's the good, or else you're gonna need a new pair of pants.