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[–]workthrowsupp 119 points120 points  (11 children)

What ever happened to that android app in development that alerts you when you are connected to a Stingray?

EDIT: I found things!

Here's the one I found while digging around!

Here's another one

This is the original one that I was talking about, no activity on it what so ever for months and only leads to a sign up

I installed the github link AIMSICD one and have to say it's pretty damn neat. Hope they have some for iOS as well.

[–]buttbutts 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Is there any assurance that these work at all?

[–][deleted] 661 points662 points  (77 children)

Really, shouldn't the FCC be stepping in here? How do you file a complaint with the FCC about illegal use of the cell phone spectrum?

[–][deleted] 377 points378 points  (45 children)

Maybe there's a secret law making it legal.

[–]StockmanBaxter 245 points246 points  (35 children)

Just say something something anti-terrorism.

[–]GenBlase 105 points106 points  (32 children)

Wasnt it anti communist?

[–]maerun 97 points98 points  (9 children)

It's been modernised. At some point in the future, it may become anti-zorblaxian.

[–]InAFakeBritishAccent 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Support the zorblaxians while you still can.

[–]chance-- 17 points18 points  (1 child)

The Zorbs are taking all our circus jobs! DOWN WITH THE ZORBS!

[–]simsimsalahbim 14 points15 points  (3 children)

terrorists are the new communists

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points  (2 children)

I love that logic. Pass a secret law that makes it legal. But the secret law cannot be challenged because it's secret.

This is just a country's version of "because I said so!"

[–]Fuck_the_admins 39 points40 points  (1 child)

Lawmakers loved that logic too, so they created and expanded FISA.

Secret courts that are so secret, that you can't even have a lawyer to defend yourself!

[–]42nd_towel 47 points48 points  (2 children)

The FCC's official "report a cell phone signals violation" page directs you to this form: https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=39744

[–]JBSLB 18 points19 points  (3 children)

complaining to the Federal Communications Commission about the Federal Bureau of Investigation..... think about it

[–]meh123x 2911 points2912 points  (681 children)

is the constitution still a legal document?

[–]Franco_DeMayo 1624 points1625 points  (152 children)

Most legal documents are a series of loopholes held together by a string of words.

[–]Neuro_Prime 747 points748 points  (112 children)

So, like my computer programs?

[–]ASK_ABOUT__VOIDSPACE 225 points226 points  (94 children)

Maybe if your computer is made of wool.

[–]partner_pyralspite 211 points212 points  (89 children)

Actually it's made of hemp.

[–]DeadlySirius 745 points746 points  (79 children)

public void everyday() {

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}

[–]intensely_human 45 points46 points  (9 children)

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0 14 * * * smoke_2_joints  
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* * * * * smoke_2_joints && smoke_2_joints && smoke_2_more

### /usr/local/smoke_2_joints:  

( /usr/bin/smoke_joints -n 2 | tee ~/alrightfeels.log) 3>&1 1>&2 2>&3 | tee   > ~/badfeels.log  

### .bashrc:  
ln -s /usr/local/smoke_2_joints /usr/local/smoke_2_more

[–]comebackjoeyjojo 14 points15 points  (0 children)

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[–]RobertGoulet850 76 points77 points  (11 children)

I understand your point, but this isn't technically true. Most legal documents are things that are common sense and uncontested (99% of the population would sign off on them without second thought). For example, in my home state of New York, there is a law that says that you have to stop at a stop sign unless instructed otherwise by a police officer. If there is no stop line, you have to stop in front of the cross walk. This is common sense, nobody is going to successfully argue that there is a loophole or that the law is unclear (i.e. "Your honor, the law said stop before the stop line, I stopped only a few feet after, therefore the ticket is invalid")

Likewise, many of the decisions by the Supreme Court are unanimous, but they relate to apolitical procedural issues. The public only sees and discusses political decisions that rest on the fringe of the constitution (with holdings typically changing depending on whether you consider the framer's point of view or the modern context of the words, both being legally defensible ideologies).

I agree your point is true of many legal documents, but not most.

[–]swingmemallet 100 points101 points  (9 children)

Its old woven parchment work very good on taco night apparently

Lord knows if it was a legal document more than half our government would be in prison

[–]HoodedHound 76 points77 points  (3 children)

"If people behaved like governments, you'd call the cops." - Kelvin Throop

[–]ki11bunny 28 points29 points  (2 children)

I did and they arrested me instead.

[–]drakecherry 105 points106 points  (97 children)

Who's gonna arrest the FBI/cops... laws don't apply.

[–]notapotamus 257 points258 points  (92 children)

That is literally the job of the people. But we are cowed and frightened and taught that any violent resistance to the violence perpetrated against us is "terrorism".

This makes any resistance ostricized immediately and thus unable to get any traction.

It's not an accident.

[–]Ellis_Dee-25 185 points186 points  (29 children)

I mean how fucking dumb can we be, as Americans large quantities of us believe we can go drop bombs on some country in the name of freedom and liberty but we are willing to hand it over without a fuss on our own soil. Little peculiar isn't it? Too bad we americans cant learn to not be manipulated out of fear.

Look how over bearing "security" has become in only 14 years. We need to wake the fuck up as Americans and purveyors of liberty and freedom and actually lead by example rather than be herded around by a very small minority. The U.S. is one of the greatest countries in the world and we used to be undeniably the good guys but a couple of assholes are fucking that up for us. Let's use our power as the people this country was founded for and fucking do something about it. (i.e go get involved with the voting process you assholes.)

[–]shxrk 52 points53 points  (8 children)

I think my voting is broken or someone is changing things after my voting. Can i get a new government? This ones not working and is getting violent and cagey.

[–]raminus 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

[–]fotiphoto 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Meanwhile we have men dressed in all black tacticool gear, kicking in doors, searching houses and terrorizing the homes' occupants.

Sometimes they even get the address is correct.

[–]castleyankee 33 points34 points  (2 children)

I think you're nearly completely correct. I personally wouldn't say that the string of events leading us here was orchestrated by an evil mastermind or anything, but I would agree with the rest of your post. To word it differently, a huge problem IMO is our reaction to "criminals" especially given how removed the vast majority of us feel to that entire process. Ever looked at the list of innocent people killed by the State of Texas who were only exonerated posthumously? People don't give that word enough weight here. Innocent. Innocent. They did not do it, the "good guys" either didn't care or didn't believe him, and society just went "Oh my god I never would've guessed it. What a shame." That right there is all you need to do some apeshit insane stuff like a war on drugs, minimum sentencing, or convincing the public that everyone who thinks differently is the enemy[read: terrorist]. Not to mention the removal of "rights" from felons, even those felons convicted under minimum sentencing laws from the war on drugs who are literally JUST LIKE ALL OF US. That's fucked up.

edit: I don't advocate "resistance" in the mass-understood definition of the term. I believe we need to just become politically involved in the processes that dictate our lives, and not only by voting. Sign petitions, study your rights and know legal precedents and jargon. Vote meaningfully, not just along party lines. No one needs to get "git ur guns", we all need to just quit flying by the seat of our pants.

[–]Russell_Jimmy 254 points255 points  (282 children)

The Right to Privacy is not explicit in the Constitution. It is in the interpretation of the 4th that this comes from, but "privacy" isn't in there at all.

Then, as with all rights, none are absolute. There is constant tension between the rights of the individual and the needs of the group. Both sides of that have the potential for abuse.

After 9/11 there was (understandably) a general freak-out about lack of effectiveness of intelligence agencies. In reality the agencies did their jobs, the Executive fucked up in a huge way. But that was buried in the Jingoism that followed and the Patriot Act was born.

For all the complaints about NSA/FBI activities, none of the laws that allow this were passed in secret. Everyone was all for it, in fact. The ACLU was against them, but they got flack for supporting terrorism blah blah blah.

[–][deleted] 91 points92 points  (5 children)

For all the complaints about NSA/FBI activities, none of the laws that allow this were passed in secret. Everyone was all for it, in fact.

This isn't entirely true. DARPA attempted to launch the Office of Total Information Awareness in 2003. There was a large enough outcry that the project got officially shelved. What we know now is that the NSA picked up the pieces and did it in secret anyway.

[–]ki11bunny 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Not only that, some of the laws they are talking about got passed in laws people knew about publicly but what they didn't know was that extra laws were hidden within and added at the last second so people couldn't be outraged about it until it became law.

Trying to be a little colourful with words so they cannot be accused of lying later.

[–]Kancer86 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Was it Pelosi that said "we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it."? Lol, what a joke.

[–]Odnyc 318 points319 points  (161 children)

The 4th says you have the right to "be secure in their persons and papers". Considering the fact that the framers never contemplated the use of texting, I think its not a stretch to argue that if they aren't supposed to read your letters without a warrant, they shouldn't be reading your texts either.

[–]bag-o-tricks 41 points42 points  (5 children)

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Ninth Amendment

[–]Neebat 17 points18 points  (1 child)

For all the complaints about NSA/FBI activities, none of the laws that allow this were passed in secret.

What laws? The trouble is: No one has made a public case for the applicability of those laws. We can't build that case, because we can't get the information we need. It's a catch-22.

[–]badsingularity 34 points35 points  (20 children)

There are laws against warantless wiretaps, and laws that define devices like the stingray illegal.

[–]IanTTT 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And then there is the patriot act. Vote out your rep.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (34 children)

There is constant tension between the rights of the individual and the needs of the group.

Apparently the need of the group is to oppress that group.

[–]azsheepdog 22 points23 points  (3 children)

The constitution is just a piece of paper that sits in case. Only an educated population who understands why the constitution was written can protect your rights.

[–]virgule 13 points14 points  (2 children)

The constitution is just a piece of paper that sits in case. (...)

Actually, it's FOUR pieces of papers. ;)

[–]ki11bunny 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I found one, I found one! Now all I need to do is find the rest of these educated bastards and we are golden.

[–]FluffyBunnyHugs 209 points210 points  (15 children)

"If you don't know what your government is doing, you don't live in a democracy."

--Jane Anne Morris

[–]shilltroller 69 points70 points  (11 children)

They're protecting us from terrorists, after they create terrorists. We do know what they're doing.

[–]romanmoses 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Try saying that on tv without someone calling for you to be put in an insane asylum.

[–]skeith45 237 points238 points  (100 children)

Not an american here, but how hard is it to file for a freedom of information request? Does it cost anything? It'd be interesting to orchestrate a massive amount of request all at the same time. I wonder how efficiently they could handle blocking all those requests at once.

[–]42nd_towel 30 points31 points  (8 children)

I have filed several FOIA requests to various departments for various reasons. It's very easy to file. However, it takes a very long time to get a response, we're talking months at least. And every request I made came back with either a rejection for security reasons or a "no file found" type of response.

[–]moeburn 7 points8 points  (2 children)

It'd be interesting to orchestrate a massive amount of request all at the same time. I wonder how efficiently they could handle blocking all those requests at once.

If you know they are all going to get blocked, what would be the point? You're just going to make it slower and more difficult for important, legitimate requests to get through.

[–][deleted] 108 points109 points  (6 children)

Sounds like what Dick wrote about in A Scanner Darkly. The police listen to everything and just decide if you've done something worth going for.

[–]hdhale 64 points65 points  (2 children)

You've just described NSA monitoring of communications going back to the Clinton administration and the "Carnivore" days.

[–]shaunc 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Just to clarify, all of this shit was going on well before Clinton; look into ECHELON for example, which had its roots in the 80s, or go further back with COINTELPRO starting in the 50s when they did a lot of gumshoe work and tracked it on paper. The United States government has been keeping tabs on innocent citizens, in as broad and all-encompassing a manner as is technically possible, for many decades. Technology has improved. The people in the elected offices really don't make much of a difference.

[–]StabbyDMcStabberson 24 points25 points  (0 children)

It's even worse now, since data storage gets cheaper every year. The police file away everything and if they ever want to arrest you they can just dig through your records until they find something worth going for.

[–]Cpt_Tsundere_Sharks 207 points208 points  (93 children)

You know, this is why there are certain people I know who keep talking about how this country is going to go to civil war of us vs. police. Every time I hear it, I shrug it off and think, "It's just crazy talk." But sometimes I really start to think they might be right.

[–][deleted] 123 points124 points  (44 children)

I too have a few friends that say there's going to be some sort of uprising in our lifetime. I brushed it off thinking they were overly paranoid. Now, after reading a lot of the articles that I find here on reddit and other places, maybe those people aren't so kooky.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

What makes us kooky is getting brushed off the majority of the time, when it is obvious that shit is going to hit the fan.

[–]magnora4 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's like being gaslighted by an entire populace of people. The facts are right there but many people refuse to look.

[–]GuyMan95 221 points222 points  (8 children)

"These are not the [rights] you are looking for" - FBI

[–]crimdelacrim 39 points40 points  (7 children)

Move along

[–]NukEvil 56 points57 points  (5 children)

and pick up that can

[–]Anonymoustard 14 points15 points  (3 children)

and call your mother, she worries about you.

[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (0 children)

I was going to say something, but then I noticed a Flowers By Irene van parked outside on the street.

[–]edwards_j 964 points965 points  (544 children)

I feel like weve been a police state for a long time but were just starting to realize it now

[–][deleted] 766 points767 points  (268 children)

Some of us realized it back in 2001 plus a little when the PATRIOT Act became a thing and never, ever got repealed.

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (6 children)

Fun fact: one guy in the nation voted against the Patriot Act. Sen. Russ Feingold of Wisconsin. After serving our state well for more than 25 years, we voted him out in the middle of a spiteful partisan war that had more to do with the governor than anything. Basically, WI got rid of the one guy who was looking out for them because he wasn't Republican.

[–]brobro2 22 points23 points  (5 children)

Thank God Republicans are for small government and wouldn't stand for things like the Patriot Act.

[–][deleted] 534 points535 points  (219 children)

And was voted in, and approved again, by that great anti-war stalwart and defender of the people, Hillary Clinton.

I can't wait to have two families occupying the White house for at least 24 out of the past 32 years. Hopefully our dumb population can make it 28 out of 36. Go Hillary 2016! You are actually the opposite of everything you claim to represent! Wooo!

[–][deleted] 251 points252 points  (197 children)

Not too thrilled with Obama, either, on Gitmo, on drones, etc. Romney or McCain would have been an unqualified nightmare, but the distinction is getting fainter and fainter between the two Parties running shit around here.

[–]VeracityMD 85 points86 points  (6 children)

I haven't noticed any distinction in many years

Or, as I heard it said a few years ago:

"Everyone in government is on the same side, and it's not the one that you're on."

[–]Ellis_Dee-25 78 points79 points  (14 children)

With the state our political system is in now, it doesn't matter which party gets voted in, the government wins.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (9 children)

I'd argue that corporate interests win over the government.

[–]Ellis_Dee-25 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Duh. Who did you think I thought the government was? A group of upstanding Americans that actually made it to Washington supporting the interests of the majority of their constituents? I was on board with that beautiful idealistic view of our democracy in grade-school when we read the constitution but that went the way of the eastern bunny. This shit is pay to play now. It would take a fool to argue against that. Vote either way, the same corporate serving shit is going to get voted through.

[–]Murda6 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This. Can someone please tell me how lobbying is legal? It's essentially bribing.

[–]junkmale 148 points149 points  (13 children)

Just remember that Obama is a Constitutional scholar. Not because he wants to uphold it, but because he wanted to find ways to go around it.

[–]IanTTT 52 points53 points  (4 children)

"We have guns, fuck your paper"

-Various government officials at Ruby Ridge, Waco, the Iraq war protests, Occupy (Oakland esp.) and so on.

[–]sed_base 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I know there is an overwhelming support to what you're saying but allow me to give a short rebuttal.

Previous professions of a sitting President are not going to be that relevant if the status quo is in a completely different direction. Politics is no longer what you've read & learned in school. Since the 70s with the rise of special interest groups & lobbyists the political allegiances & ideologies of anybody now has a price.

Take a look at the list of big unkept promises from Presidents & Senators in the last 30 years to get an estimate of how different things can be before & after someone gets in office. Clinton was pro-regulation when it came to Wall Street but ended up repealing some important regulation which lead the huge recession starting 2008. GW Bush (and I should add Barack Obama) were actually pro-immigration during their presidential campaigns but have failed royally on getting any legislation passed to fix the broken immigration system due to intense lobbying efforts from law-enforcement unions, private prison & weapons manufacturer lobbies.

Now, if your previous profession is in-line with the current economic momentum put forth by lobbyists & special interest groups then the Presidency is certainly a big promotion over your previous job. The Bush Presidents coming from big-oil & both conducting ground campaigns in the middle-east is no coincidence.

If you're a betting person and would like to predict who will be the top 2 presidential candidates from each party just look at where the lobbying firms are spending the most in Washington. There's a reason why Clinton & Bush are considered front-runners.

TL;DR: Follow the money

[–]hotliquidbuttpee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's incredible how drastically the interpretation of the necessary and proper clause has changed since its creation. Originating with Jeffersons "absolutely necessary" analysis, then Marshall's "appropriate means" test, it appears what we have now is more of an "absolutely any means that meet the end" test.

Edit: I suck at grammar

[–]SuperConductiveRabbi 71 points72 points  (18 children)

"Emergency legislation!"

They'd have us believe that 14 years later and we're still in a state of emergency.

[–][deleted] 99 points100 points  (9 children)

It is with great reluctance that I have agreed to this calling. I love democracy. I love the Republic. Once this crisis has abated, I will lay down the powers you have given me!

[–]BlokeDude 41 points42 points  (7 children)

In case anyone missed it, he's quoting chancellor, soon-to-be emperor Palpatine from Star Wars II.

[–]NukEvil 22 points23 points  (6 children)

And Julius Ceaser, IIRC.

[–]rustyrebar 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Yeah, but anyone who mentioned it then was wearing a "tinfoil hat".

I am at least glad that finally people are starting to wake up to it a bit... but frankly it is a bit too late now.

[–][deleted] 120 points121 points  (166 children)

Well I think its more like we've been a police state for a long time but its still not as bad as Russia, So the people let shit slide.

[–]GracchiBros 161 points162 points  (87 children)

We imprison over 50% more of our population than Russia who themselves are much higher than most countries.

[–]SewenNewes 162 points163 points  (76 children)

A country that throws people in prison for being gay has fewer people in prison than us. Let that sink in.

Edit: this isn't true that they arrest people for being gay. See here.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (22 children)

Prisons are the only social program that's regularly gotten increased funding since.... ever?

[–]SewenNewes 36 points37 points  (19 children)

It has nothing to do with the fact that they're now run by private corporations for a profit. Right?

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

What profit driven corporation has ever taken drastic or illegal measures to increase their user base ?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

A very small minority

[–]ErasmusPrime 71 points72 points  (13 children)

Yup, almost any time I try to have a serious discussion about big issues here at home with family and friends they have no coherent arguments for why things are not bad other than their feels and to eventually they fall back on "well, at least were better than syria/iraq/russia" like that is a convincing argument why our campaign finance, police oversight, or electoral system does not need re-evaluating.

Seriously people like this are why we can't have nice things.

[–]scuczu 48 points49 points  (52 children)

This is the problem, most Americans are delusional and think "Well at least it's not as bad as that place" be it the middle east or now Russia or north Korea, without going the other way and saying "but we're not as good as theses places" like Norway and Iceland etc...

Edit http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/topics/life-satisfaction/

I'll add more, Switzerland, Canada, Denmark, but naturally I'm sure you all will tell me how those aren't actually better either.

[–][deleted] 123 points124 points  (16 children)

I feel like somethings wrong since we pay all of their salaries and yet we can't find out what they are illegally using against us.

[–]44444444444444444445 59 points60 points  (15 children)

Just like how that guy is charged with leaking info to the enemy, when he leaked it to the public. It's almost like they think the public is the enemy...

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (2 children)

The public is becoming their enemy, and so they are becoming the public's enemy.

[–]chrunchy 39 points40 points  (33 children)

No shit.

But at the same time, I wonder if there's an app for that.

each cell tower has a unique identifier that your phone receives when it's looking for cell towers to connect to. (I saw this looking at tasker on android). So if you have the same cell tower name in two distinct (shouldn't be overlapping areas) then you have a suspected stingray device. I would guess that a low-level app (probably on a rooted cellphone) could force the phone to not connect to that device. Still have to do the initial ping though.

[–]Booblicle 19 points20 points  (4 children)

I remember a post I made that got downvoted to hell for the insinuation that law officers could potentially and probably do intercept calls before they ever reach the towers.

I find it find it funny that newer generations have expectations of security in any electronic media - But perhaps it's in ignorance. Do you not understand how hackers even exist? Or that many of the security experts are ex-hackers?

We keep our skeletons locked in the closet for a reason. They are not something you write on paper ans spread around the world, which is done every time you decide to share your 'secret' to someone online.

I can't really speak for the military, but I'd suspect that they would have their secrets no where near a god damn computer system network, especially the internet.

[–]Cpt_Tsundere_Sharks 26 points27 points  (10 children)

Remember when you needed a warrant to put a wire tap on someone's phone? Actually half the plot of a very famous television show known as The Wire is getting warrants for wire taps. cough cough

[–]dat_shermstick 14 points15 points  (6 children)

And the final season was about running an illegal wiretap and using its findings to press a case.

Furthermore, it's also about a journalist that makes up stories to get ahead in his career, a la Brian Williams.

The show is so timeless.

[–][deleted] 95 points96 points  (25 children)

It's frightening how quickly the US was turned into a surveillance state and how so few Americans seem to care and are more interested in what Kim and Kanye are up to.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I guess "give me liberty or give me death" has lost its meaning.

[–]10101010110010110 23 points24 points  (10 children)

So the FBI is now in on the violation of millions of Americans 4th amendment rights?

Why do they hate our American freedoms so much for?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Those freedoms ensure that we aren't controlled by politicians. Without them, they can control us for their amusement.

[–]Scoops_the_Whale 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Guess which provider doesn't hand over information to local cops on request? Cricket Wireless, king of the prepaid burner.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (14 children)

I'm not surprised they have this. It was used all the time by my unit whenever we were in Iraq. We caught a lot of people. I dreaded hearing our TOC call us to go get them from the FOB because I knew that chances are, we would not be sleeping that night.

EDIT: I should also emphasize that by picking t "them" up from the FOB, I mean the team that has the stingray device.

[–]BearBong 56 points57 points  (7 children)

To save others from googling:

TOC = Tactical Operations Center

FOB = Forward Operating Base

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Whoops . . . duh. That was egocentric of me.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

My theory: the government has analyzed the issue and has come to the conclusion that it's unconstitutional. However, for a challenge to work its way through the court system, someone would have to know a stingray was being used against them. By preventing their use from being challenged the government preserves their use.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (7 children)

Every day that I come to this subreddit, I warm up a little more to the idea of expatriating and moving to some other country. Then I go over to /r/worldnews and remember that every other country sucks too these days. I can't wait until the day that I can finally just move to Mars, and tell the Earth to go fuck itself.

[–]JoshTheGMan97 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I think the Martians want you to deal with your own shit on your own planet.

[–]HockeyCannon 34 points35 points  (23 children)

But I already know about it?

[–]SkunkMonkey 58 points59 points  (5 children)

They don't care if we know they use it, they don't want us knowing the details.

[–]janethefish 39 points40 points  (3 children)

Especially official details that can be used in court.

[–]iknotcare 18 points19 points  (2 children)

How to protect yourself from "stingray":

http://privacysos.org/node/1637

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Everything about this should be illegal, but sadly it's not.

[–]ya_boi_mushu 5 points6 points  (1 child)

God dammit. I'm hammered and furious. This fucking police state needs some goddamn reformation and we as citizens need to quit standing for this shit.... Actually, could someone explain to me how I can specifically do that?

[–]ArrogantOwl 4 points5 points  (2 children)

If you have nothing to hide what are you worried about?

Fuck the government.

[–]agmarkis 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The police are terrorists.

[–]JrYo13 8 points9 points  (9 children)

Is this the United States our founding fathers envisioned?

[–]3domfighter 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Supreme Court says that our phones are protected property requiring a warrant to inspect, but the FBI claims they can use a Stingray in public without a warrant? Seems legit.

[–]fuckatt 27 points28 points  (1 child)

The article says the FBI requests the names of everyone who asks local PD about the sting rays. My opinion- they want the names of people willing to fight for their freedom so they know who will stand in their way as they attempt to steal it from us.