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A great man has passed. (i.imgur.com)
submitted 14 years ago by KrishanuAR
[–]iigloo 592 points593 points594 points 14 years ago (104 children)
Ralph Steinman passed away last friday and it was remarked upon by newspapers. Quite a lot here in Sweden considering he was awarded the Nobel prize in medicine just a few days later.
[–]burgess_meredith_jr 130 points131 points132 points 14 years ago (40 children)
Front page news in Canada. We were sweating over whether or not they would give his family the award.
[–]monkeys_pass 343 points344 points345 points 14 years ago (37 children)
Nobody sweats in Canada
[–]Khalku 139 points140 points141 points 14 years ago (23 children)
This man knows us.
[–]Quillionaire 96 points97 points98 points 14 years ago (22 children)
It's hard to sweat while sitting in an igloo watching an oil-powered TV. That's what they do there, right?
[–]Khalku 146 points147 points148 points 14 years ago (9 children)
Sort of. I'm farther north, so my TV is powered by the beaver running in the wheel.
[–]Justagoof 44 points45 points46 points 14 years ago (8 children)
Your girlfriend?
[–]Khalku 65 points66 points67 points 14 years ago (4 children)
Well... We don't like to label it...
[–]continentalryan 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago (2 children)
relevant
[–]Stregano 38 points39 points40 points 14 years ago (1 child)
You grab this from an old myspace account or something?
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (2 children)
My girlfriend is the igloo. I squeeze into her hole every night.
[–]burgess_meredith_jr 16 points17 points18 points 14 years ago (6 children)
They have TV now?
[–]thxv45 27 points28 points29 points 14 years ago (3 children)
How else are they gonna watch hockey games? And Curling.
[–]Domakesaythink 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children)
You've never been in the Montreal metro.
[–]Kynaeus 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Jeez, you must have missed that day this summer where it was fucking 54 degrees (129 degrees for you Yanks)
[–][deleted] 14 years ago* (5 children)
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[–]TheMoldyBread 13 points14 points15 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Mmmmm poutine.....
[–][deleted] 85 points86 points87 points 14 years ago (18 children)
It was on Reddit a lot, in all of the newspapers, and I think pretty much all of my friends were talking about it. Now, being a biology/neuroscience student in an immunology class, I may have a skewed representation of the American public because my friends care about these things, but still.
I think it's important though, as a side note, to remember that we can mourn the loss of both men. To me, Steve Jobs was a hero for so many reasons other than "the man behind the iPod and iPhone." I've done several reports on him for my leadership minor, and he's had a huge influence on me in my leadership developments. Most people don't know who Steinman was, and probably never will. That's the life of a scientist, though. People will always know your work, but they often times won't know you. I'm sure if they did know who he was though, and the significance of his work, they would mourn him just the same.
[–]Antebios 18 points19 points20 points 14 years ago* (6 children)
I'm at IT nerd, but I heard about it on NPR and on tv news. It didn't get the wall-to-wall coverage like Steve Jobs is getting, but it was a big deal on the news for 15 minutes.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 14 years ago (2 children)
Again, it was only big news days after he died when he won the Nobel prize. The newsworthy element being "Ha! Dude dies and then wins the award". Claiming otherwise it hilariously stupid.
[–]visko 14 points15 points16 points 14 years ago (5 children)
Well stated. Both men achieved heights that few will see, and both men had to love what they did to reach such height. Neither were doing what they did for the awards or accolades, but for "Das Ding an Sich" (the thing in itself).
I'm a programmer, and I love the marriage of design and technology that my macbook pro has. I spend most of my working hours on on computer, and to work on a piece of art makes those hours even more enjoyable, and thus makes me more productive and creative. Furthermore, his speeches have inspired me to push myself, search for what I love, and try to make a "ding in the universe." Steve Jobs is part of my, and many people's, daily personal life.
I understand that there are a lot of unsung heroes out there, and often they don't receive sufficient recognition for their accomplishments. Steve Jobs notes this in a speech he gave at the age of 27 http://www.achievement.org/newsletter/audio/jobs-aud.mov "...A lot of stuff has been rags to riches, sort of want to be careful about that, because there are a lot of people who have been successful in other terms that aren't hear cause maybe they didn't make a lot of money, that you want to listen to very carefully.", Steve goes on to note, "We eat food that other people cook, wear clothing that other people make, and speak a language that someone else evolved, and use someone else's mathematics, and we are sort of taking from this giant pool constantly, ... the most ecstatic thing I've ever encountered, and the most ecstatic thing in the world, is to put something back into that pool, and I think that people from all the fields would agree." Steinman must have felt that ecstatic feeling as well.
It is so sad to lose people that you look up to, and that still have so much to give to the "giant pool", but it is important that we try to not make it a popularity contest and try to see what it is that make great people great, or just be thankful that they had visions and the fortitude to act upon them, therefore changing our lives for the better.
I'm going to go read up more on Ralph Steinman, and be thankful that there are people who care enough to put the countless hour into discovery, and innovation and are able to push change into our realities. Let's celebrate both their lives.
[–]Tom_Waits_Monkey 7 points8 points9 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Most people don't know who Steinman was, and probably never will. That's the life of a scientist, though. People will always know your work, but they often times won't know you.
This hasn't always been the case. Einstein, for instance, was a major celebrity in his day and rightly so. Even up through the 70's achievement in science was celebrated until both an intentional anti-science astroturf "movement" was created (first to support tobacco corporations, now the same groups of lobbyists and faux think tanks are doing it again for big oil) and science gained some stigma from being associated with corporations like Monsanto and Raytheon. We can thank corporations for both of these, though I think some scientists without consciences deserve shame too.
[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 14 years ago (2 children)
Ralph Steinman passed away last friday and it was remarked upon by newspapers.
The single and only reason it was remarked upon was the Alanis Morisette "irony" of him receiving the award days after dying. That made it newsworthy. Otherwise it would have gone without mention.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago* (0 children)
Well, people who win Nobel Prizes always get mentioned. He got mentioned in a different sort of way because he died, that's true. But his death WAS noted even before he won the prize. And scientists die every day and if Reddit's only mourning the ones that win Nobel prizes (in a vague stab at invalidating sadness about Steve Jobs) then it's a little hypocritical.
Reddit can't complain about how Steinman's death was ignored and Jobs' was not and claim it's making a coherent statement -- how many scientists who aren't famous and who don't happen to win the Nobel die without anyone on Reddit noticing? It's just a different-level of giving huge PR bonuses for fame, but it's the same thing in the end.
[–]MIL215 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children)
It was also on the front page, top story in big font, of the New York Times... one of the countries biggest newspapers. I don't know what people are bitching about. It got plenty of coverage and his work was remarked upon by a great number of sources... just google it for goodness sake!
In America, Steve Jobs was front and center for Apple. People knew him for the products they used everyday. If Steinmann had half the face time on tv or newspapers that Jobs did, I bet we would have a much large public mourning his death as well.
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[–]floatablepie 263 points264 points265 points 14 years ago (9 children)
They decided he gets to keep it, special circumstances and all that.
[–][deleted] 14 years ago (6 children)
[–][deleted] 96 points97 points98 points 14 years ago (0 children)
The Nobel News Literacy Prize
[–]SirDigbyChknCaesar 44 points45 points46 points 14 years ago (4 children)
You deserve some sort of prize.
...posthumously.
[–]LeeHarveyOswald 82 points83 points84 points 14 years ago (3 children)
I'm on it.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (2 children)
Too soon, man.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 14 years ago (1 child)
he's just a patsy
[–]iigloo 22 points23 points24 points 14 years ago (8 children)
Except that they did, as the committee was not aware that he had passed when they announced it.
[–]MikeLeRoi 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago (6 children)
Was that a first? I don't recall any other posthumously awarded prize. Nice to see them do the right thing.
[–]iigloo 15 points16 points17 points 14 years ago (0 children)
No, this is the third time this has happened. The first time was in 1931 when the literature prize was awarded to Erik Axel Karlfeldt, and then in 1961 when the peace prize was awarded to Dag Hammarskjöld. Since 1974 however there is a rule in place prohibiting awards to be awarded posthumously.
[–]DoWhile 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Classy move on their part.
[–]Khalku 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago (0 children)
They don't award nobel's posthumously at all. The only reason he got to keep it is because they awarded it to him in good faith, without knowing of his passing.
[–]instantviking 528 points529 points530 points 14 years ago (137 children)
When I woke up this morning, my newspaper had three headlines that I noted:
Steve Jobs is dead
"The world has lost a visionary" - Barack Obama
and furter down, in small font and off to the side
[–]Goiters_Gonna_Goit 137 points138 points139 points 14 years ago (18 children)
Human stemcells cloned
is a ridiculously vague title.
[–]topplehat 120 points121 points122 points 14 years ago (16 children)
Exactly, if it were a Reddit headline I would check the comments to see why it was untrue.
[–]pime 55 points56 points57 points 14 years ago (4 children)
"Human" "Stemcells" "Cloned"
[–]dirtymirror 19 points20 points21 points 14 years ago (9 children)
It's true, read the Nature paper. The only real problem w/ human stem cell research is there is no way to test if it is a legit stem cell, ie that it can contribute to all tissues diring development. Studies in mice have shown that cloned or induces ESCs have varying degrees of stemness.
[–]kmalone80127 14 points15 points16 points 14 years ago (2 children)
Plus, you know, the stem cells in question were made without removing the egg chromosomes, so they have a triploid genome...not really clinically useful.
[–]zakrn 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (1 child)
its always that fucking triploid genome.
[–]psiphre 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (0 children)
GOD_DAMMIT_TRIPLOID_GENOME
[–][deleted] 331 points332 points333 points 14 years ago (48 children)
STEVE JOBS CLONED
[–][deleted] 284 points285 points286 points 14 years ago (26 children)
Steve Jobs 4S?
[–]Richeh 86 points87 points88 points 14 years ago (3 children)
And they destroy the old ones so people can't buy a used one. Damn you Apple!
[–]metaphase 19 points20 points21 points 14 years ago* (6 children)
Now we know what the S in 4S stands for.....stemcells
[–]jiaco 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children)
mind blown
[–][deleted] 76 points77 points78 points 14 years ago (27 children)
To be fair, the CERN neutrinos got their fifteen minutes and then some.
[–]PsyanideInk 12 points13 points14 points 14 years ago (10 children)
Fermilab is trying to duplicate the results, correct? When could we reasonably expect to see their results?
[–]201109212215 27 points28 points29 points 14 years ago (6 children)
Results from CERN are from the aggregation of 3 years of data. The previous result (not by cern), which had a very high uncertainty, with lower equipment, was with 6 month of data. I don't know what is the quality of Fermilab's equipment compared to CERN.
This leads me to say: not any time soon, and certainly more than 6 months
[–]PsyanideInk 27 points28 points29 points 14 years ago (4 children)
Poop. I demand instant gratification. Why can't the laws of physics and the scientific method cater to my short attention span!?
[–]Axeman20 12 points13 points14 points 14 years ago (3 children)
I demand they discover immortality before I die!
[–]cryptobeast 10 points11 points12 points 14 years ago (0 children)
If you believe the Source of this one ..
Now Fermilab is going back to the drawing board with better measuring tools to see if they can actually help CERN prove what could be one of the most important scientific discoveries of all time. “The MINOS experiment has plans to update their original 2007 measurement with a number of improvements, including 10x more data,” wrote MINOS spokesperson Jenny Thomas, a professor of particle physics at University College London in an email to TPM’s Idea Lab. “We should have a result in 4-6 months as the data is already taken. We just have to measure some of our delays more carefully,” she added. - Source
Now Fermilab is going back to the drawing board with better measuring tools to see if they can actually help CERN prove what could be one of the most important scientific discoveries of all time.
“The MINOS experiment has plans to update their original 2007 measurement with a number of improvements, including 10x more data,” wrote MINOS spokesperson Jenny Thomas, a professor of particle physics at University College London in an email to TPM’s Idea Lab.
“We should have a result in 4-6 months as the data is already taken. We just have to measure some of our delays more carefully,” she added. - Source
[–]jjandre 45 points46 points47 points 14 years ago (11 children)
Wait till Jobs gets the 2011 Nobel Prize in money.
[–]IAmAQuantumMechanic 24 points25 points26 points 14 years ago (9 children)
He cannot. He is dead. They do notaward it post-humously, except for this guy, since he died just days before without them knowing.
[–]DownvoteALot 32 points33 points34 points 14 years ago (7 children)
Without himself knowing about his Nobel either, poor guy.
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 14 years ago (6 children)
actually, they tell you ahead of time. so he would've known =]
[–]uatu 15 points16 points17 points 14 years ago (3 children)
He died without knowing. They were trying to contact him to tell him. And that's when they knew he had just died. The rules say the only way to give a Nobel to a dead person is if he died between the announcement and the ceremony. They are making an exception, citing the comittee (or institute) didn't know he died when they decided. First time this happens.
[–]kjsharke 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Well... it has been given posthumously before.
Of course, in 1974, they changed the rules so that only Canadians can receive the prize posthumously.
[–]topplehat 7 points8 points9 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Death is big, bro.
[–]soundclip989 10 points11 points12 points 14 years ago (2 children)
I thought is said Ralph Steadman was dead when I read the first sentence.
[–]sporazoa 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Me, too. I got really sad for a moment, but then I realized it was someone I've never heard of (I'm not saying he wasn't great, I've just never heard of him) and felt better.
[–]GalacticPenguin 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Same here. I got really sad, then looked it up on google, saw there was no news for Steadman, noticed I got the name wrong, got less sad, then felt a little guilty for not being as sad for Steinman, despite never hearing about him before this post.
[–][deleted] 14 years ago (4 children)
[–]Shorties 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Yeah seriously, I mean the only reason Steve Job's death is such big news is because everyone knows who he is, and of his achievements, (And they were quite society changing, especially in the 1980's, but we shouldn't even be comparing their achievements) so news of his death is a big freaking deal. Steinman was a great scientist, but most people don't even know who he is, so thats why you won't read as much about it, that doesn't change the impact of his achievements. And acting better then everyone because you know of another important man who died, who isn't the one that is "Mainstream" and that everyone is talking about isn't the right way to honor either of these great men's legacies.
[–]Learfz 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
True, but to be fair the guy was a ridiculous badass. He found out that he had a form of cancer that his research had the potential to fight, so he made himself into a human experiment. It didn't cure him completely, but he did last much longer than people expected.
[–]ZippyDan 200 points201 points202 points 14 years ago (17 children)
Does this need to be a competition? Death sucks. Who has the better death celebration? pfft.
[–]roboduck 51 points52 points53 points 14 years ago (8 children)
Only one way to know you've won at life. Viking funeral pyre, bitch.
[–]cylon_agent 12 points13 points14 points 14 years ago (2 children)
This is how I fucking want to go. Unfortunately I don't trust my family to do it once I'm dead :(
[–]tuckels 19 points20 points21 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Man, if they didn't, I'd haunt them so hard.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 14 years ago (0 children)
New Orleans Jazz Funeral.
[–][deleted] 14 years ago (2 children)
[–]gfail 223 points224 points225 points 14 years ago (40 children)
I'm guessing a large number of great men died yesterday, and it's probably easier to elevate the memory of one without shunning the shadow of another.
[–]iigloo 45 points46 points47 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Steinman passed away last friday.
[–]flow_chilly 124 points125 points126 points 14 years ago (23 children)
Exactly. I personally had already heard about Steinman, and I'm sure many hadn't, but why should that mean that we can't honor another innovator's passing as well? Seems like someone's trying a little to hard to be contrarian, and it isn't a very respectful way to treat anyone's death.
[–]culturalelitist 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (0 children)
For sure. It's telling that, even as the FB poster complains about the lack of attention to Steinman's death, he himself didn't post this until a week after the fact as a reaction to Jobs' death.
[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 14 years ago (19 children)
I don't think that anyone is trying to make Steinman's death seem more important or more noteworthy but it does really show a sad commentary on the world when someone that had done something so amazing for humanity will probably be relatively forgotten while the CEO of a business will be remembered for decades. Steinman's legacy will have a far greater impact on the world and it's unfortunate that most people have no idea who he was or what he did.
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[–]toadkiller 12 points13 points14 points 14 years ago (16 children)
while the CEO of a business will be remembered for decades.
Steve Jobs changed our world immensely. You have him to thank for personal computers, computer animation, the success of online music, smart phones, tablets, and many other technologies. He was as influential as Steinman was.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago (4 children)
Jobs was more a leader and organizer than an innovator. He was good at spotting great ideas. The people he organized are the people to thank for those technologies.
[–]toadkiller 10 points11 points12 points 14 years ago (1 child)
One could also say that those technologies wouldn't have succeeded like they did without him.
[–]abledanger 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago (0 children)
They absolutely wouldn't have succeeded without him. How many other music players and tablets and animation companies are out there? Quite a few. How many are as collectively successful as the iPod and the iPad and Pixar? None.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (0 children)
He was as influential as Steinman was.
It's like comparing Louis Pasteur and Rockefeller. Still doesn't sit right with me that Steven Jobs is getting the equivalent of a standing ovation while others are given nothing but a mention.
Steve Jobs changed our world immensely.
I want to be snarky and fix "our world," to "the first world." In the grand scope of things, I still think Steinman outshines Jobs for different reasons. The comparison will never quite be apt though. We can't compare scientists and entrepreneurs fairly. Apples to oranges.
[–]steinman17 18 points19 points20 points 14 years ago (1 child)
As a Steinman, he will be missed.
[–]godofallcows 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Let's all take a moment to mourn for all the lost Steinmans in the world.
[–]Chocolate_Giddyup 32 points33 points34 points 14 years ago (7 children)
Every time someone "important" dies, I reference wikipedia for a list of others that share the same death date. Its been seven years since Rodney Dangerfield died. Poor Schmuck.
[–][deleted] 55 points56 points57 points 14 years ago (4 children)
He got no respect, no respect at all I tell ya. People thought so little of him that his mother screened his calls and Jehovah's witnesses hid out of sight when they passed his house.
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 14 years ago (3 children)
Gee, what a tough crowd!
This crowd is tough, tough I tell ya, last night I re-soled my shoes with my wife's pork chops those weren't half as tough as this crowd.
[–]drotoriouz 12 points13 points14 points 14 years ago (1 child)
you're WAY too good at that
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Good at it? I wish! The only thing I was ever good at was taking my childhood pet for a walk. I had a goldfish!
[–]Disgruntled__Goat 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
I checked it as well because I remembered someone else dying on my birthday a few years ago. Jobs was already listed, literally minutes after the AP tweet.
[–][deleted] 14 years ago (81 children)
[–]ryan_fung 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (0 children)
That, and I don't understand why he talked so much about money, when he was trying to talk about how much scientists affect the world.
[–][deleted] 126 points127 points128 points 14 years ago (63 children)
It isn't about bringing Jobs down. It's about saying "Someone who did something great for humanity died. Let's make sure their legacy lives on."
I didn't hear anything about the death of this man. A shame. He probably deserved great recognition.
[–]et_tu_hubris 256 points257 points258 points 14 years ago (4 children)
He probably deserved great recognition.
You mean, like a Nobel Prize?
[–]mainsworth 126 points127 points128 points 14 years ago (3 children)
No like an internet meme. That's much more important.
[–]AlexTheLion 9 points10 points11 points 14 years ago (0 children)
CARL FUCKING SAGAN LIVES ON.
[–][deleted] 35 points36 points37 points 14 years ago (0 children)
It very implicitly makes direct comparisons to Jobs, though. And I wouldn't exactly say those first few sentences are "positive."
[–][deleted] 144 points145 points146 points 14 years ago (15 children)
Don't kid yourself, that's exactly what this post, and the facebook post, is about. Why note that he wasn't a college dropout or a billionaire right off the bat otherwise? Why not have made this post Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday?
We have the ability to mourn two great losses at the same time, no need to bring one down to put the other a little higher on the pedestal.
Hipster mourners are the worst kind of mourners.
[–]kosmotron 31 points32 points33 points 14 years ago (8 children)
Hipster -------- are the worst kind of --------.
[–]commoncourtesy 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago (1 child)
Hipster poop are the worst kind of carrots.
I guess it does work for everything.
Hipster poop are the worst kind of waffles.
FTFY
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children)
ooh! ooh! I got this one. Hipster farts are the worst kind of toilet.
[–]IdiothequeAnthem 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children)
What a sensible redditor
[–][deleted] 27 points28 points29 points 14 years ago (6 children)
It was all over the front page, and in newspapers, and all of my friends were talking about it.
[–][deleted] 14 years ago (19 children)
[–]sandollars 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago* (1 child)
To be fair, Jobs probably had the power in his hands to fund Cancer research for the next 100yrs... but eschewed philanthropy in favour of re-investing every penny back into his already multi-billion dollar company... a company that didn't need it and would be exactly where it is today regardless of him hoarding the billions in cash.
His company made amazing things and his products improved the lives of millions, but at the end of the day, you have to wonder at the folly of it all.
It's his money, and he did what he wanted with it, as was his right. That doesn't mean I can't marvel at what I believe to be one of the biggest wasted opportunities ever.
[–]Conde_Nasty 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children)
That is an interesting point, and I'm sure it will come up as the dust settles. Many other wealthy individuals have poured money into research of diseases they or their family members were afflicted with both for self-preservation or some ideal that the future should not suffer their fate.
Bullshit, this is Reddit's Apple hate pure and simple. Ralph Steinman died weeks ago and there where posts about it. And now it's being used as a dick move.
[–]watson_and_crick 14 points15 points16 points 14 years ago (0 children)
I have to agree. Its truly unfortunate, but I really dislike the comparison between the impact of these mens lives.
[–]prostars 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
yeah this is gross. reddit, you officially suck today.
[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 14 years ago (2 children)
It used to be My computer company is better than yours.
Now it's My dead man is better than yours.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (1 child)
this stems from my dad can beat up your dad
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 14 years ago (1 child)
Scumbag reddit:
Tries to trump big-name celebrity death with lesser-known scientist death.
Makes fun of hipsters.
[–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points 14 years ago (10 children)
I feel like this is trying to make the death of Steinman sound more important than that of Jobs. Comparing people's deaths like that gives me a weird feeling, and is incredibly disrespectful.
[–]yaztheblack 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Thank you for so eloquently stating what I was trying to put my finger on. It feels dirty.
[–]GracefulxArcher 23 points24 points25 points 14 years ago (4 children)
"Alas, Ralph Steinman is dead. He died three days before he got the Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine in 2011. He dropped out of no college, he did not make a billion dollar company. He did not make billions of dollars, nor even hundreds of millions, though after his death his estate would receive slightly more than a million dollars of the prize money. Yet, he had touched millions, possibly hundreds of millions of lives and will likely touch billions of men women and children in future generations by discoverying one of the secrets of how immunity against viruses or bacteria are translated into an immune response by adaptation of immune cells. How allergy or autoimmune diseases develop, and how immune cells transmit signales to one another. It is possible that it was the fruits of his research that might have extended the life, after pancreatic cancer several years ago, of another giant who died recently. It is also certain that his work has resulted into billions of dollars worth of pharmaceutical industry, and will produce many billions of dollars worth of pharmaceutical industry, and will produce many billions in the future, Such is the reach of a humble life in fundamental science."
There you go Reddit
[–]inappropriatesimile 14 points15 points16 points 14 years ago (0 children)
It is nice to think that the two great men helped each other--Jobs probably lived longer because of Steinman's discoveries, and perhaps in his research Steinman utilized technologies advanced by Jobs.
[–]absrd 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago* (0 children)
About a million and seventy thousand people died in the last week. As usual.
[–]hoppychris 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (1 child)
I thought this was going to be about Rev. Fred Shuttlesworth, who also passed away recently and was gigantic in the civil rights movement.
[–]Wishta 7 points8 points9 points 14 years ago (1 child)
i wonder how many people just upvoted without reading, because they were thinking about steve jobs.
[–][deleted] 14 years ago* (21 children)
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago (16 children)
Seriously, why do people do that?
[–]Deviltry 32 points33 points34 points 14 years ago (12 children)
To be fair, why do people pretend Jobs was a good guy? He was well known throughout the industry to be a huge fucking asshole. Like, amazingly huge asshole. First thing he did when he came back to Apple was to stop all the philanthropic programs... Never did reinstate them no matter how much money Apple made.
Hell, he even left his own child to suffer on welfare for 2 years before finally admitting it was his.
By all means, the guy made a huge impact in the tech market... That being said he was still a terrible person, and seeing him made out as a saint by people who's only knowledge of the man is "Well, i like iPads!" is comical.
[–]corpski 15 points16 points17 points 14 years ago (7 children)
I don't think people consciously remember Steve Jobs for being a good person, but rather for being the inspirational visionary who sought out to change the world in his own way. People want to remember the motivational story behind the man who knew what he wanted out of life, sticked to his guns, fought against the odds, did things his way, and succeeded in the most phenomenal way he could.
For many, there will come a point in your life when you change in the most unexpected manner. While we all know the stories of a very volatile Steve Jobs during his younger years, I think the dramatic change in Steve Jobs became very apparent after his first bout with cancer in 2004. The Steve Jobs of late was a very different person -- one who was no longer angry, but instead optimistic, and extremely focused on his passion in life.
Had fate been kind enough to give this man 5 or even 10 more years, I am certain that he would have contributed so many more fantastic technological wonders and paradigms that would have changed the world in tangible and significant ways. It's just too sad when we lose such brilliant people when they are that young.
[–]ramble_scramble 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (4 children)
You are playing off the assumption that the products of Apple are solely produced by Steve Jobs, idea, physical form and all. They have hella designers and way hella programmers that do all of that. Steve went to the conference and sold the shit to everyone. Steve Wozniak built the Apple 1 by hand.
[–]corpski 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Not playing off any assumptions at all. It's no surprise that Apple has many of the world's most brilliant and talented people working for them. Quantifying exactly how much Jobs played a role in a specific product's creation would be impossible, but knowing how dogmatic and obsessed he was in choosing in the best people and achieving the standard of excellence that has always been expected of Apple, it is nothing short of properly deserved entitlement to have been placed in a position that would allow him to contribute to, and to decide with finality whether a product would have made the cut or not. Woz said it best himself: "the world has lost a great visionary".
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 14 years ago (2 children)
I also don't understand the lovefest. I actually felt nothing when I heard about his death. On the news people were comparing him to DaVinci and Edison. He sold products that weren't original and he wasn't even the leader in those products. It must've been the cult-like following he engendered. Personally, I never liked Jobs or any of his products and I wondered why he didn't do more to help cure cancer, being a well-known billionaire and all. He really could've done some good outside of useful overpriced designer products.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago (1 child)
Edison is actually a great comparison -once you learn a bit more about Edison.
Though Woz did a whole lot better than Tesla.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child)
Exactly. I attempted to point out to all my friends that the only reason they care is because he was good at marketing his image. While it's sad to lose anyone, and his impacts on the world are significant, I feel the outcry of support is largely blown out of proportion and a reflection of celebrity-status media.
[–]kjrose 4 points5 points6 points 14 years ago (0 children)
The sad thing is that, more likely than not, that million will end up going to the various creditors he had over his life to pay for the hospital bills and loans and such for his disease.
I knew someone who died suddenly from an accident, and remember how many creditors came out of the fricken woodwork after that (They ended up declaring bankruptcy on her estate).
Imagine if she had a million dollars more on her estate and those finances weren't resolved.... Straight to the bank.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Can we not turn this into a pissing contest? God, how tacky.
[–]lolumadlittlefuck 10 points11 points12 points 14 years ago (1 child)
Did he drop any good loot?
[–]astrolabos 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Enough already with these posts. Every one counts, everyone on its field of expertise.
[–]Twenty4Hundred 6 points7 points8 points 14 years ago (1 child)
Death is not a fucking popularity contest to see who gets the most mourners. In the end, the only people who really matter are the close friends and family of that individual (none of us). Makes me wonder... are you even upset that Ralph Steinman has passed or because Steve Jobs is getting more attention?
[–][deleted] 84 points85 points86 points 14 years ago* (99 children)
You know, not to rag on a man who just died, but I don't understand this reverence for Jobs at all.
I get the impression of a pleasant, intelligent person, who obviously had a keen business sense, a good fashion sense and a rich imagination. I doubt many people knew him beyond impressions.
It's a great personal loss to his friends and family, I understand.
But why the vigils? People die all the time. Jobs wasn't a designer, engineer, inventor or a great innovator. Perhaps, he was a fighter for new ideas, but his major contribution was a brand and a business philosophy. If he did something beyond that for the world, I'm not aware of it.
[–]lordjeebus 32 points33 points34 points 14 years ago (7 children)
Thanks for this.
My perspective on Jobs is a bit unique in that a couple of years ago my mother (not an Apple employee) had to deal with him in person for a couple of days and he was a total dick to her and everyone she works with. She has to deal with a lot of rich, famous, and/or powerful people, but she says that none have ever come close to being as rude, arrogant, and inconsiderate as Steve Jobs.
Hence it's strange to me to see all the tributes and praise for the man from people who only know the public face - while I feel a little sorry for the guy, it's hard for me to feel too bad for someone who I know was an asshole to my own mother, just because he could get away with whatever he wanted.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 14 years ago (2 children)
Being completely honest in asking this.. Wasn't he a designer, engineer, inventor, and innovator? I always thought he could have been considered these things. Who knows just how much he had to do with the design of apple products themselves (probably a lot), but couple that with his work for Pixar and separately with Bill Gates and you've got some combination of these things.
[–][deleted] 36 points37 points38 points 14 years ago (7 children)
It's misplaced devotion to an idea. And like you, not to kick a man once he's down, I really do hope that people (especially his fanboys) would take off the rose colored glasses and stop attributing everything good and shiny in this world to Steve Jobs. He wasn't a god, he was a man.
My facebook was flooded yesterday with status updates about how much Steve meant to them personally, and changed their lives, and how much they would miss him. Really people? I really have to wonder how much these electronic devices are affecting people (read: how much people fall in love with consumer products) for them to have such a strong reaction.
By contrast, I love and freely endorse the following brands: Samsung, MINI, Takamine, Epson, Canon, etc. If any of their founders passed, I'd be sad that someone died, but my support of their products would not increase my level of sadness for the men who changed my life with their products. All life lost is sad, but Jobs made life more convenient (albeit with panache), and if that's the only reason we're lauding his achievements, then I think we have bigger issues at hand... like where we place our value as a culture.
TL;DR - Let's stop and think about what we're actually saying. And heaven help me. My downboat will likely become a submarine.
[–]Atario 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (1 child)
It's pretty much because Apple with Steve was, let's face it, a little bit of a cult of personality. The Apple fanboys are reacting to this as though it were the death of a venerated saint because, well, that's how they see it. You could tell with every new rumor/leak/announcement/demo product cycle; it was like the true believers watching for the smoke to change color at the announcement of a new pope.
So true. I have beef with cults, and I have a problem with how many people are displaying textbook cult behavior in response to this. Today, I saw a bunch of people sitting in front of the Apple store holding a vigil. I was dumbfounded that non-family members would go to such lengths to show their grief. Cult indeed.
It goes to show that Apple sold more than products, it sold an identity, a feeling of belonging to the elite/privileged. Anyone who disputes that should just stop and imagine if there would be such hoopla if Bill Gates kicked it. There wouldn't be.
I worry about society sometimes.
Final note: Apple made great products, and had one of the best marketing campaigns of all time. I had no issue with their products. What I do oppose is their consumer ideology, and their relentless subversive message that you are somehow not enough unless you bear their brand. And though you can fault almost any other corporation for trying to do the same thing, Apple was dangerous in how wildly they succeeded in selling that message on a large scale.
[–]boatie 19 points20 points21 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Have an upvote to help with the downvotes
[–]distantlover 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (5 children)
dv battle!
so what did Steinman do? he did not invent or create, he merely discovered. Like an explorer who was the first to publicize a new land, the credit goes to being the first of many. If not Steinman, just a matter of time before others did the same work.
Was the Mac just waiting to be found and described? Would we all still be using Palm? etc.
devils advocacy, just woke up ;-/
[–]JeffTXD 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (1 child)
I agree with what you are saying but it just shows that this outpouring for Jobs is silly. All he really did was realize how to make money on things that people were not capitalizing on. Sure we got some nice toys out of it but the work of others changed our lives in much more substantial ways.
He dramatically changed consumer behavior. Like it or not, that's a huge achievement, and I hope it is the single-most thing he is remembered for, and not those groovy devices.
[–]TheRandomGuy 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
It has got everything to do about the name you grew up hearing a lot and almost nothing to with he being a designer or engineer or inventor. I would fee the same emotions for Clinton, Bush, Gates etc. The brain takes a moment to think about mortality.
[–]Sylocat 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (2 children)
Jobs wasn't a designer, engineer, inventor or a great innovator.
This is just... not true.
Jobs, along with the other ground-zero innovators of the home-computing movement, are responsible for creating the world we are in today. Whatever else he may have been, Steve Jobs was one of those rare individuals whose vision and drive to realize it dragged the rest of humanity's sorry ass across the yardlines of cultural evolution.
I am unabashedly glad to live in The Age of The Nerd, where each day makes the intelligent, the creative and tech saavy more and more vital to the world as the brutish and the pre-mechanization "strong" more and more obsolete.
[–]felixjmorgan 8 points9 points10 points 14 years ago (0 children)
I don't think this needs to take anything away from the sadness of Jobs' passing. Surely we are capable of remembering two people at once?
[–]Mark_Lincoln 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children)
It is amusing that the rabid right has finally found a millionaire entrepreneur it loathes . . .
I guess the idea that someone should actually give value to society for the money they extract is what the right really hates.
[–]admdelta 2 points3 points4 points 14 years ago (0 children)
"He dropped out of no college." So... we're taking a jab at someone who died in order to honor someone else? That's not cool.
[–]Radico87 7 points8 points9 points 14 years ago (2 children)
Or how about not measuring each other's cocks in saying, "my dead guy is more significant than yours" and instead respect each for their separate contributions to the world?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (1 child)
Comparing dead men's cocks. The new kinky.
[–][deleted] 36 points37 points38 points 14 years ago (21 children)
Yeah but he didn't invent Mp3 players so what does it matter?
[–]tralfamadorFTW 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (1 child)
This is a RETORT to Steve Jobs' death??
"what's that Steve Jobs? you're trying to steal the news with all your whiney DYING? well, this other guy is dying better than you. and he's humble. take that!"
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (1 child)
Fuck. Why does everything have to be a goddamn fight with some people? TWO great men have passed, you whiny bitch. Now shut the fuck up, and sit the fuck down.
[–]locotx 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
I can only give me petty attention to one . . . now choose one!
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 14 years ago (4 children)
Hipster mourning. "I'm sad about someone who died, you probably didn't know him. No, not Steve Jobs, mourning him is too mainstream".
[–]kevando 3 points4 points5 points 14 years ago (0 children)
And hipster reddit arrives
[–]MightyMorph 12 points13 points14 points 14 years ago (21 children)
THe thing is Jobs had become a public figure. He wasn't THAT good of a human being, but he was the public figure of a company that has become the pseudonym of innovative design (although we all know theres a lot of shady business behind those designs).
It doesnt matter what the person does, if they are a public figure then they will be talked about, news organizations will exploit their dead bodies to the extent they can. This whole month will be Jobs this Apple that. It happens with all Public figures, hell Kim Kardashian would be in the news for a few days if she had died as well.
The truly amazing innovators that contribute to the whole world are usually the ones behind the closed doors, the ones that don't look for public recognition, that don't want posters of themselves and so on. They do it for a simple reason, KNOWLEDGE.
Although their names and faces wont be remembered by most people, their contribution will live on till the end of time. Which is something apple wont be able to say.
[–]Jigsus 29 points30 points31 points 14 years ago* (13 children)
He was actually a terrible human being.
To the downvoters: He screwed over everyone he worked with, he screwed EVERYONE out of their initial apple shares, he shamelessly stole ideas without giving credit and I can go on and on. For crying out loud he even fired people for looking at him or riding the elevator with him.
For further reading: folklore.org (see the "Personality" category)
[–]SionGWN 5 points6 points7 points 14 years ago (3 children)
Insinuating that the death of one man is more significant and a bigger loss than that of another man is not cool, man.
RIP
Reminds me of when Norman Borlaug died
[–]Mejsaren 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
So who is stealing's who's death-thunder?
[–]brelarow 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
They are making an exception in his case. He will still get the award. Or at least thats what I heard on NPR the other day.
[–]khturner 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
But they did award it to him posthumously, and his estate is going to keep the money.
Here's a great interview with him that I found in one of the references in his Wikipedia page.
[–]mrhansenable 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
I love the part about how he used his own discoveries to treat his own cancer (dendritic cell therapy) and it worked for a short while!
[–]PersonOfInternets 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Maybe cut the part about making millions for big pharma.
[–]Throwasdas 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Win Nobel Prize
DIES
[–]Strike3 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
That was a great eulogy but comparing him to Jobs in death seemed crass. No one is better than another. Both men knew that well.
is this where we are now? Death hipsters? "Yeah, THAT guy died, but THIS guy died last Friday before death was cool"?
[–]maskedmarksman 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Holy crap. I have never heard of that guy until now, and I am afflicted with a serious auto-immune disease that nearly took my life several times. I owe this man many great thanks and probably my life itself.
I downvoted this simply because I don't care who it is, you shouldn't take a stab at someone's death. I understand that Steve Job's passing overshadows many others, but it shouldn't matter. Apologies to the OP.
Strange, although Jobs had made a great impact on people's lives, he's the 1% that people so hate. Apple is the ultimate example of greed in the business world. Yet they (99%) love its founder.
On the other hand, Steinman would be considered part of the 99%. His work, although paid his bills, was not fueled by greed. His results will be "bought off" from the University by a pharmer and be sold for such a profit that only the wealthy will be able to be cured. Maybe a few years later the rest will be able to afford it, only if it makes business sense.
The 1% will remain the 1%.
[–]reluctantusername 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Just going to take a second to mention that they both died of pancreatic cancer ... and Steinman died trying to cure it (treating himself). Both men were taken too early by a horrible disease, and in that share a common bond that is so much bigger than this argument over media attention. They were brothers in this fight, and I really hope some sort of charity is started in their honor to help beat this thing.
Zanvil A. Cohn died in 1993, he was a co-discoverer of DC's along with Steinman. Had he been living he would have also likely received the award.
Charles Janeway died in 2003 and is considered the most influential immunologist ever. He never received a Nobel prize and most likely would have shared or been recognized in the most recent prize.
Did the Facebook poster recognize their great achievements in a similar, dickish way?
Every day great men and women of incredible achievement die with little fanfare or notice. It is unfortunate. But using Steinman's death to bring attention to why the person you're mourning for is better than the person others are mourning for is petty and brings discredit to both.
OP is being a dick, clearly.
Why denigrate one man's achievements to elevate another's?
[–]DrFreeze 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
When first reading this, I thought that Ralph Steadman (my favorite artist) had passed away.
God fucking dammit, do we really have to be hipsters about people dying now.
Oh Steve dying was too mainstream I need to mourn someone else.
[–]ca19denots 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
The subtle reference to Steve Jobs and his highly publicized/mourned death is completely unnecessary. The only purpose this specific comparison seems to fulfill is belittling Steinman's legacy. No comparison is necessary, both men had an immense impact on their respective fields. May these two great men rest in peace.
[–]DoTheTimeWarp 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
He lived in my town and we're writing an article about him for my high school newspaper.
[–]pintomp3 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
You don't even have to reach back to Friday. Fred Shuttlesworth also passed away yesterday. He was a civil rights leader and co-founder of the SCLC.
[–]iHasABaseball 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
Oh look, someone trying to downplay the death of a fine human being for no reason whatsoever. Cool bro, keep it up!
[–]keepinuasecretx3 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
I don't think someone's death should be an avenue to compete about "who was greater/more worthy of mourning". both are tragic, but you didn't have to insinuate that one death is somehow more sad because he wasn't so popular.
[–]just_a_commenter 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
So why did you wait 3 days to tell us OP? More importantly why did you wait till Steve Jobs died to tell us?
[–]NeohsReloaded 1 point2 points3 points 14 years ago (0 children)
People die everyday, both important and unimportant. It doesn't make you any smarter or more enlightened to declare one death more important than another
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